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The Bill Myers Show podcast is sponsored by Clouser Drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Clouser Drilling.com. Appreciate you being here a couple of minutes after seven. We'll check town hall news in just a moment. And then we're going to talk to Steve Malloy. Want to find out if all that green scam survived into the big, beautiful bill or the stinky swamp sausage.

OK, you know, like I said, devils of the details, right? But you know, it, I'll tell you, if Republicans still let that Green New Deal stuff continue and they didn't rescind it, boy that doesn't speak well. That doesn't speak well. But I would imagine that if you were a Republican and were bought off. And so, oh, you were going to have an electric battery factory in your state. Yes, or an electric charging manufacturer in your... Yeah, you can see there. Oh, no, we can't turn that down. Can't turn that down. I don't know. We'll see. Hey, Elaine writes me this morning, Bill, I'd like to know if anyone has received letters from the Census Bureau regarding a survey. A man came to my door and I refused to answer his questions. So I have received three

more letters addressed to citizen telling me I have to participate. Elaine, we'll throw that open. We'll have open phones on Conspiracy Theory Thursday at about 20 minutes and we'll dig into that. And I think what you're talking about is the American survey, I think, is what you're getting, commanding that you participate. Yeah, this is so the Census Bureau has data, I think, to sell to the Chamber of Commerce and all the marketers and various other things, and the NGOs, and yada yada yada. And yes, they say according to the law, you're supposed to do it, but yet nobody ever gets charged with a crime for not doing it so do what you will okay here's Bill Maier and we will have open phones on conspiracy theory Thursday about 20 minutes after the 730 news break this

morning right now though Steve Malloy he's the senior energy and environment legal Institute fellow and he's a good fellow he's a smart fellow and actually kind of a funny fellow sometimes too and it's true you have a good sense of humor, right? And former Trump EPA transition team member and we're gonna be talking about the well I'm just trying to find out if I was talking this morning here Steve first off welcome to the program good morning sir it's great to have you back. Thank you Bill. Great to be here. Yeah, and always the question that runs through my mind is that, you don't want to be cynical all the time, but you know that this is Washington, D.C.,

and when they talk about Trump says big beautiful bill, and I translate this says, okay, a new name for a stinky swamp sausage, and it was 215-214. It passed by a whisker and now it goes on to the Senate to be manhandled, I guess, and then comes back and most likely comes back unrecognizable from what got sent to them. I don't know. But what I know that you focus on is the Green New Deal, in other words, the Green New Scam spending. And there was hundreds of billions of dollars in that, that I think that Biden and everybody else had shoved in it before Trump came in. Is it still alive? What do you know so far? Well, so there was originally about $1.2 trillion worth of green new scam spending in the Inflation Reduction Act. Biden spent about $150 billion of that already.

So that leaves about $1 trillion left. This bill looks like it takes out about half of that, $500 billion. So I think President Trump wanted to get rid of all the Green New Scam spending, so what he's going to get is half a loaf. And, you know, no Republican voted for the Green New Scam spending in 2022, but now all of a sudden a lot of them want to keep it in there. And of course, it's not unexpected. In 2024, Joe Biden spent a lot of that $150 billion buying off red state Republicans. So, no surprise. Oh, that's how it works. Alright so here comes the electric battery plant for

your state. That sort of thing, right? Exactly. Exactly. Yeah and 64 billion dollars were spent in five in seven battleground states last year. You know they tried to get Harris elected. Of course that failed. You know she didn't just waste a billion dollars. She wasted 65 billion dollars, a lot of taxpayer money. But you know, so I wanted all the green news games spending out, I'm going to maybe get half of that. But the important thing is that this thing passed because we need the tax cuts to be made permanent. If we can't get these tax cuts done, made permanent, taxes go up, 2026 is gonna be a brutally ugly year

for Republicans in Congress, and we can't afford that. Well, 2026 may be a brutally ugly year anyway for Republicans, we just don't know. Well, you know, but you know, Democrats, they're not really doing themselves any favor this year, so, you know, I'm gonna be campaigning. If I was a Republican, I'd be campaigning about them lying about Joe Biden and trying to save a lot of Venezuelan gang members. You know, they're going to have their own problems,

but we should not have these self-inflicted wounds of, you know, raising taxes. I mean, look, I'm, I'm as conservative as anybody and I think the federal government should be exceedingly, you know, very small portion of what it is now. It should not be 25% of our GDP. People should not be relying on it that much. That said, you know, we got to get there gradually. It took us a long time to build this up. Now we've got to, you know, President Trump is trying to shrink it, and I think there's still lots of administrative things he can do to slow and stop green new scam

spending. For example, he can just slow walk permits for wind farms and solar farms and make it unattractive for investors. By the way, what is the real cost of solar power most of the way it gets done these days in large industrial solar farm type things. I'm trying to get to the bottom of this because the part that I see when they talk about how inexpensive it is Steve is that they never talk, I'm talking about the proponents though, they never talk about the 100% backup power that must be there to fill in when solar or wind is not

there. But it's really much more than that. I mean, look, solar has not saved anyone a nickel on electricity anywhere. It's all subsidized. And not only is it subsidized heavily by US taxpayers, let's not forget, you know, more than 90% of solar comes from China, where they use slave labor, low-wage labor.

Wasn't there a story that there were some embedded controllers on some of these inverters for solar that the Chinese could actually shut off on us, from what I understand? All the technology we – this is not just solar panels, it's the EVs, probably our phones as well. We have no idea what technology is implanted in the technology we import from China. That's why we got to start making this stuff here. But of course, people want to have new phones every year, so the only way you can do that is if it's made by low-wage slave labor in China. We have gone down this path where people just like cheap crap. And it's not really conducive to our country's national security.

There's another writer that I see now, Charles Hugh Smith, he refers to it as the landfill economy. I don't know if you've ever heard that term. It's like everything's throw away. Yeah, yeah, and replace it and put it in there. Things will definitely have to change, but you know, honestly though, when it just comes for the, if there was not, if there was not a subsidy on solar or wind farm or any of these other kind of farms for alternative energy, could they find their way in the market? I mean, would people still see a good reason to purchase them if they did not have the tax credits and the subsidies coming from ratepayers?

No, it would not be economical. No one would do it. You know, possibly like there's a market for Ferraris. You know, there might be a market for solar panels made in the United States, but there would be no mass market for it. There's really no mass market for it now. I mean, it's just expensive no matter how you slice it, and that's with all the subsidies.

And it goes for wind, solar, EVs, all this stuff. If there's no subsidies, it doesn't exist. This has long been recognized. You know, all this talk about solar being cheap and the electricity is free is all a bunch of BS. I recall conversations I had with a former state senator, don't know if I ever told you, Steve, Steve Malloy with me this morning, by the way.

And he is off the grid because he had to be off the grid in his rural Klamath County home. And it would have cost, I think it was $30,000 to $40,000 to have brought power to where he was. So he had to do it because he had to, not because it was cool or subsidized at that point. And he's been living on this, you know, totally renewable energy now for a number of 10, 20 years. And he says that it's an interesting lifestyle, the way you have to change your world around to live with power only when the wind is blowing or the sun is shining, in his particular case. It's just...

Yeah. I mean, I suppose you can, you know, construct a life around wind and solar, but look, we have 350 billion people or a million people in this country. We cannot do that. And there's 8 billion people in the world. They cannot do that. We are an industrial country. We need to produce goods and sell them at home and abroad.

And that cannot be done with wind and solar. This is a joke. It's a joke. I mean, you know, one guy living in the woods, you know, like Henry Thoreau, great. Yeah, yeah. You can see it as one-offs, but to actually run society that way does strike me

as a, is it going to be a tough sell. I'm just curious though, if you think that between the Trump EPA, the Trump Energy Administration and everything else is is there any way that the Trump administration can save us from our own state, our state of Oregon and the West Coast policies that still seem to want to double down on expensive and subsidized. Any thoughts on that Steve? Have you heard anything coming out of the agencies?

Yeah, a lot of this stuff requires federal permitting. I would just slow walk it. I would make it very unattractive for investors. I would make everything, all reimbursements and distribution of subsidies, I would just slow walk all that stuff and just make it really unattractive and make it very very difficult to do. That's what Democrats have done. You know, remember they stopped the Keystone pipeline, just slow walking stuff and lawsuits and just making it difficult. So let's just do that. You know, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Well, I hope you're right about it. Slow walking in the other direction. Of course then,

if it goes to Democrats two, three years from now, then who knows? Well, yeah, we need to get rid of these laws. There's no question about that. We need to end the climate hoax. There's lots of things we need to do. I mean, this is going to be an ongoing struggle. I think conservatives fail to realize that the left has been wrecking our country purposely now for more than a hundred years and it's going to take more than one Congress, it's going to take a concerted effort over a long time to push back and get all this stuff repealed, rolled back and get our country back on track. What do you think are the odds of getting real regulatory repeal in

which you actually get rid of the laws or the rules involved here? And I'll bring up an example here. I have a friend of mine, Eric Peters, he's an automotive journalist, writes at EP Autos, and he wrote a piece about how NHTSA, Traffic Safety Administration, is now coming out with rules that are saying everyone's going to have to have all of that driver assist technology in your car. In other words, the nanny car. It breaks your car, it steers your car, it's always hassling you, it's going to be required now instead of being an option. And we have a lot of this in our government system right now,

Steve, in energy, in automobiles, in transportation, I mean it's all there and you know, you know, President Trump can do some executive orders and such like that but it's like we're having difficulty striking at the root, the heart of the regulatory state. What do you think? Well, in terms of like automobiles, I mean that's really a federal issue and we should get rid of all those regulations. President Trump could do that. You know, he's already rolling back or he's trying to the efficiency standards on kitchen appliances, you know, washing machines.

And that's a good move. That's a good move. Absolutely. Because you know what happens every time I see something on the detergent or the washer says, you know, you know, eco clean means doesn't clean. Okay. Yeah. All right. into the washer says you know you know eco clean means doesn't clean okay yeah all right of course but you know the problem is that you know industry likes all this inefficient expensive crap that doesn't work so you know President

Trump can roll all these standards back but you know the industry is at this point kind of hardwired to just produce that stuff and so we're gonna need innovative companies to come along and say, here's your basic dishwasher that works. Here are light bulbs that work. Here are other appliances that work. We need to force the market to change as well because just leave them alone. They're going to keep selling us more and more expensive stuff that is of poor quality. They're going to claim that it's energy efficient. It's not. None

of this energy efficiency stuff has ever worked out. It's all been fraud. Everything green is a fraud. It would be interesting to, you know, if you're going to call something energy efficient, it would be interesting to put a requirement that it be how about energy efficient on the lifetime of the equipment and I'll give you an example how it's like the old-fashioned Norwich refrigerator from 1949 1950 still working today right even though it may be technically considered more energy using than something from today but I've talked to so many rep so many appliance repair people that say that your typical refrigerator

now five, six times as expensive, and if you get six or seven years out of it, consider yourself lucky. And then there's an energy cost to putting it in the landfill and then remining it and then building a new six or seven year refrigerator. And plus, it may be more energy efficient, but guess what? Electricity costs even more today, thanks to all this green crap. We're forced to buy these light bulbs. This really drives me crazy.

We pay a lot more now for these LED light bulbs. They come from China. They don't last. They say that, oh well, you actually save money because they're more efficient. Well, no, not when they only last 10% of what you claim. Yeah, how many of them are blinking and buzzing after a few months, even though? Absolutely. Oh yeah, eight years life.

Yeah, baloney. Okay, got it. Absolutely. Yeah, it's frustrating and President Trump knows this and President Trump can fix this. Now, you know, he's got to get his, you know, people at Department of Energy and EPA, all his secretaries to act on this and then, you know, they have, of course, have to push back against, you know, the resistance staff. But look, look, the Conservatives have neglected this

country and the government, we've let the government run amok for decades. And this is where we are now, so we need to fix it. Steve Malloy, Senior Energy and Environment Legal Institute Fellow, former Trump EPA transition, still doing junkscience.com? Still working that too? Absolutely. Okay. You're getting us needed more than ever now. There's a lot of junk science going on in the Trump administration. Okay, all right. Yeah, down with

junkier science, all right. Hey, how do they follow you on X again, Steve? What's that? Okay, so the best way to follow me is to get on X and follow me at junk science. All right, Steve, good talk. I always appreciate it. Thank you. All right, Bill, thank you. Take care now. So we know about 50% of the Green New scam is in there right now, folks. That's what we know at the moment. All right, 50% better than what was there before, I guess. It's 726. The only thing better than a spring America's wireless company, Pure Talk.

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and Josephine counties really didn't care and they didn't bother sending in a ballot. Turned out was an anemic 19% in Jackson County and 17.4% in Josephine County. Now those numbers will change some as Oregon allows votes to be counted long after Election Day. Republicans in the Oregon House and Senate are proposing major cuts to the Oregon Department of Transportation they'd cut a hundred forty six million dollars from climate initiatives, cap the clean fuels program, cut 38 million from passenger rail and create a new office to manage large projects. They say the cuts would allow ODOT to

maintain services without raising taxes. Of course that plan would need bipartisan support from Democrats to move forward, which it likely won't. Oregon stores won't have to accept a bottle and Cannes returns after 8 p.m. under a bill passed by the legislature. It now goes to the governor Bill London KMED. Time for the Diner 62 real American quiz and today it's actually about history from yesterday. Let me go to Mary. Hello Mary how are you doing this morning? I'm doing great. How are you? I'm excellent. Hey Mary today we're talking about you know I got a lot of women lined up on this particular diner quiz. I mean Carol, Jeff who's not

a woman though and Joanne. So we'll see what happens if women can answer this question because it's about Amelia Earhart. You ever read up much on her? No, I haven't. Okay, well, it was yesterday in history Amelia Earhart became the first woman to make a solo nonstop transatlantic flight. It was five years to the day that Charles Lindbergh

became the first pilot to get a solo nonstop flight across the Atlantic. Female aviator Amelia Earhart became the first pilot to get a solo non-stop flight across the Atlantic. Female aviator Amelia Earhart became the first pilot to repeat it. And now, unlike Charles Lindberg, Earhart was well known to the public before her trans-Atlantic flight in 1928. She was a member of a three-person crew, became the first woman to cross the Atlantic in an airplane. Although her only function during the crossing was to keep the planes logged, the event got her all sorts of fame and Americans loved her. All right. She was daring. She was modest. She was a cutie. Okay now for her solo transatlantic crossing in

1932 she was given a distinguished flying cross by Congress and at the end of her flight She landed her plane in Ireland after flying across the North Atlantic Traveling across over 2,000 miles from Newfoundland in just under 15 hours. So the question is, she did it in 15 hours. How long did it take Charles Lindbergh to fly across the Atlantic? So remember, she did it in 15. How long did it take Lindbergh?

13 hours, 18 hours, 23 hours, 28 hours, or 33 hours? How long did it take Charles Lindbergh to do the same thing? I'm going to guess 23 hours. You're going to guess 23 hours? You're going right in the middle, right? No, it's not that one. Mary, I appreciate you trying though. All right, so we know that this is what's going on. Let me scratch that one out. Hello, Carol in talent. How are you doing this morning? Okay. Alright, so It took 15 hours for Amelia Earhart to do this. How long did it take Lindbergh to fly across the Atlantic? 13, 18, 28 or 33 hours. What do you say?

I'm gonna say 18. You're going to say 18. No, it's not that either. All right, let me go to Jeff. Jeff, you're up here next. It's either 13, 28, or 33 hours. What say you? 28. You're going to say 28.

Is it 28? No, it's not. All right, so we're down to a 50-50 shot on this one. Hi, Joe. Hi, Jeff. Hi, Jeff. 28, is it 28? No, it's not. All right, so we're down to a 50-50 shot on this one. Hi Joanne, how are you? I'm fine, thank you. All right, now the pressure is on here, Joanne. It took 15 hours for Amelia Earhart to make the solo non-stop transatlantic flight.

So for Lindberg, was it 13 hours or 33 hours? 33. Yeah you weren't fooled by this were you? Yeah Charles Lindbergh landed at the field in Paris successfully completing his first solo and Spirit of St. Louis had lifted off from Roosevelt Field in New York 33 and a half hours before. It was a 3,600 mile path that was compared to Earhart's 2,000 mile shorter route. So his route was a little, was quite a bit longer at that point. And now Lindbergh also took longer because by 1932, Earhart's aircraft, the Lockheed Vega, was a more advanced aircraft than the Spirit of St. Louis.

It was able to, it had better navigation. It's like anything else, you know, five years back then, Joanne, for the airline world and the aircraft world was a lot of time and a lot of advancement went on. So still, interesting story. But yeah, took him 33 hours and he was like falling asleep while he was in it. It's just amazing story really. But both had a great time. So Joanne, you're headed to diner 62. It's a good day. Wonderful. Okay. You hang on. I want to get your dress and we'll be right back. And I'm happy to take your calls now on the Open Phones on Conspiracy Theory Thursday. Have at it.

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Every day I go through my iPod and I play Toby Keith, I just realized what a treasure he was. National treasure. You are a miss, sir. Belly up to the talk bar, though. 770-5633-770-KMED. My email, Bill, at BillMeyersShow.com. Now, there's going to be a lot of conversation over the next few days here about what is in

that big, beautiful bill, what got through and what did not, because like I said they shoved it through, no questions asked, 215-214. And there is talk though that a good part about this is the nation's largest abortion provider with a staggering 402,000 abortions last year alone may be getting defunded. No Medicaid dollars for big abortion. Wow! For Planned Parenthood, is there a possibility they actually defunded that? Could it be? It's hard to say because, you know, right now they're already trying to get that big beautiful bill and shove it through artificial intelligence just to try to read it quickly enough to actually give you an

idea, but there is a possibility that no abortion money or very little abortion money, I guess. Now that won't change anything here in the state of Oregon because Tina Koteck would probably run a bake sale or something like that if it was ever up to Planned Parenthood being defunded, but I digress. Let me go to Steve. Wild Sam and Steve. Hello, Steve. How are you this morning on Conspiracy Theory Thursday? I'm here dealing with many issues, but I saw that Insight thing and I've subscribed to that for years because I

was kind of wanting to see what the dark underbelly was doing. Yeah, could you tell people what the FERC report is? You sent that to me and I was I was leafing through it a few minutes ago and it has to do with apparently what is the power reliability looking like this coming summer? Absolutely, and up until now it's been all you know butterflies and mayflies or whatever that everything is wonderful and solar and wind are going to save us and this FERC insight letter says hey there's a problem we don't have enough power generating capacity and

we're losing it rapidly. So I haven't dived into this deeply to see if they've changed members in the FERC panel or whether they just had somebody hit them over the head or what. Yeah, I'm looking here and in fact maybe I should share this. I think I'm going to share this if people wanted to take a look. This is the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission once again. Yeah, they're the ones to promulgate all these rules that have pushed all this stuff down on wind and solar and all that. Mm-hmm. And you think about even with the climate dam removal, now those dams, you know, the generators that were in those dams I think there was only one generator wasn't it just one dam had the generator John C Boyle had one

I don't know if you know the other ones did but and that was being used as a and that was being used as a Peaker plant if I recall correctly that when there were peak times that you would be able to grab hydroelectric energy from that when there were peak times going on the grid. It was nice to have that, right? Bill of Reclamation built those dams in order to provide power for the irrigators in the Klamath Basin. And also beneficial use of water for everybody else.

Absolutely. Now then, looking at this FERC report here, regions such as Northeast Power Coordinating Council, New England, Irkut, Southwest Power, PJM Interconnection. It looks like they're talking about the East and the Midwest being especially in danger right now. And they're saying that we are losing dispatchable generation at a pace that is not sustainable and we're not adding any sufficient equivalent generating capacity. This according to FERC Chairman Mark Christie. He says today's assessments brings that point home and I'm looking forward to discussing resource adequacy issues in great depth at the technical conference

we're having June 4th and 5th. So they're going to be talking about this. In other words, they're shutting down coal and natural gas plants and replacing it with stuff which is intermittent. And we've been talking about this how long, Bill? I don't know, about 10 years. I think you and I have been talking about it right? Yes many years and how can a hillbilly from rural Oregon see the problem when all those really smart people in Washington DC are happy doing whatever it is that they do that doesn't work. Because I think that Washington, D.C. has been filled with a lot of people

who are environmental ideologues, and they viewed it through... Well, let me... It's power, Bill. It's pure vanity. Yeah, I know. I know. It's pure power. But I guessed I was going to have on today, but we're having to reschedule to next Thursday. Have you ever heard me talk about Charles Hugh Smith? Yes. He wrote this book, and I think it is one of the most interesting books that I have

read for a while because it cuts against our society's mythologies. He wrote a book and it's the myth... I don't have it in front of me so I forget the title. I mean, I do it. But he goes through the mythology of technology and how technology has become almost like our own myth that progress will always come because we'll always come up with something. Our technology will be so amazing at all times for all things that it doesn't matter what we do, that technology and progress, absolutely no way it can be stopped.

And any time that we come up with something new, it is always better than what replaced it. The mythology. Ask the Babylon mythology. Exactly. The mythology of progress and our energy grid, our energy system, like what you and I've just been talking about right now, is an example of this mythology. Well, it doesn't matter that we're removing dams and generators and closing down coal-fired plants, which are perfectly well-good operating things, and shutting down natural gas peaker plants and doing everything we can to put intermittent and

chaotic power onto the grid, our technology through progress, because we're always progressing, and it's only progressing upward, Steve. That's the mythology that these people... And the laugh against all this is they want to build AI and they need power to run all the AI and so now they need more power so AI can save us. But the technology, once again, is always going to save us. And whatever is newer is always better. Right? See what I'm getting at? Yeah. Exactly. And so we're coming to the end

of this, everything new is always better. Everything new being pushed by the world improvers is always better. It's like, no! I mean there is absolutely nothing wrong with wind and solar as part of an additional energy grid. But it is not more. It's not more. I mean everything... this is not going to work. Read the Book of Ecclesiastes that talks all about this and it was written thousands of years ago. Yeah, but there is this mythology that we can continue to screw with our society here. Everything is vanity. Yeah. Appreciate the call. That's a good call on Conspiracy Theory Thursday. Steve, the study, by the way, is FERC releasing its 2025 summer assessment.

And FERC, of course, is into hard numbers numbers and the hard numbers aren't looking real good. So we shall see. I think one of those firm and generators is on sale over at Costco. Think I had to go buy one. I think they knocked like a couple hundred bucks off or something. Hey, maybe that's where you got to be investing,

continuing to invest with FERks ideal invest in generator manufacturers i was a level with people say well you know i ended up getting that uh... i ended up getting that generator you know it's the generator that you don't have to put gas in okay that's not a generator right that's uh... you okay yeah you have to fill it with a solar cell or keep it...

Anyway, yeah. People are funny that way, isn't it? 7705633, Open Phones, Conspiracy Theory Thursday. What's your conspiracy theory? We'll talk about it. And you're waking up with the Bill Meyers Show. And it's Open Phones on Conspiracy Theory Theory Thursday 7705633. Before I get to those phones, the cell phone bill that was coming through the legislature, rather, was House Bill 2251, did not make it out of the Senate Education Committee. So they're not going to advance this

one. This would have put controls on cell phones in schools. So now Governor Tina Kotec saying that she may sign an executive order banning cell phones in Oregon schools. Do you think this would be a good idea or not? They're talking executive order now if that ends up happening. I'll take your calls on that anything else on your mind too but it's not going to happen through the legislature. Let me go to Eric. Hey Eric you're with Action Data Tell. We've talked cybersecurity with you in the past year. What's going on in your world today huh? Good morning Bill. Morning. I was just listening to the

guests from earlier talking about solar energy and then about the next caller about the lack of power availability and how that's decreasing. And it's interesting because we really are vulnerable at this point in the United States. There's a thing called SCADA, Supervisory Control and Data Acquisition. You've probably heard of it. What's that acronym again, Eric? Please. S-C-A-D-A, Supervisory Control and Data Ac data acquisition. I've seen that. I didn't know what it meant. Thanks for explaining it.

Okay. Yeah. It's what's used to control the power grid, the water reservoirs and pump systems and all of really a lot of infrastructure in the United States, but it is extraordinarily vulnerable and it's being attacked on a regular basis by unsophisticated underscore unsophisticated actors. And so we're we're in a place right now where we're super vulnerable. I know it sounds like I got my tinfoil hat on here but this is what we do. We do cybersecurity and IT and I study this stuff a lot and it's really really really bad. If you recall the

power outage in Europe a couple of weeks ago, that of course was not necessarily attributed to a hack, but I can almost guarantee you that that's what happened. Do you think it's one of those situations where the government doesn't want to actually let people know just how vulnerable that all is? Yeah, because it's, it's, they don't want to create panic. So if you think about just for a second, you know, people worry about, uh, EMP electromagnetic pulse. Um, it, that's very, very unlikely because, you know, we can retaliate very quickly if there was an EMP over the United States, which would take down the grid and you know, there'd be mass casualties. But if you think about this from the bigger perspective, it's a lot easier to hack on

a micro level or a macro level regionally or globally or nationally in the case of the United States, the power grid, the water systems, the sewer control systems, all this stuff is remotely accessible. And there's even a search engine online called Showdown where you can go search and find open ports and open systems and log right in. Default password, it's very spooky. So my point is, number one, I'm a proponent of solar for that reason, for the reason that the existing power grid is so vulnerable that the more people that have at least some form of backup power you know oh I would

agree with I would agree with you having your own solar is not a bad idea if you can afford that if you can make that pencil that absolutely yeah because you're right because it is some resiliency for yourself my problem has been with the push to get rid of reliable base load power on the grid and then go to solar and wind as the main generating source for it, which unfortunately, I mean all you have to do is talk with Dennis Lithicum who says that yeah you can do it, but you have to change your life around and decide what time of day you're going to use

the vacuum cleaner, for example. Yeah. I mean, I think you can build systems now for a reasonable amount of money that will power a whole house most of the time. You might have to shed some power, but you could at least build a system where you had all of your emergency stuff, your refrigeration, air conditioning, heating, that kind of stuff, the well pump and that sort of thing. And you could move power around as necessary. But I'm all with you on that. I think we need to do all of it. I think we need

to do nuclear power, we need to do wind, we need to do solar, we need to do coal, we need to do natural gas, whatever we need to do to keep the power going. Yeah, and to continue to keep, you know, breaking stuff there or retiring stuff that works just because we have an ideology that we want to go in one direction and one direction only. One type of power only is a single point of failure, I would dare say. Seriously. I 100% agree with you. And my contention is that if we don't make changes now, we are going to wake up one morning or one night without any power and people are going to have a really hard time and people will die. I mean, I'm not here to create a bunch of hyperbole, but the reality is we are very, very vulnerable in our power grid. Eric, I appreciate you checking in on this one. I want to talk to you, how

vulnerable are those solar cell or wind cell wind farm inverters, the ones that they found with Chinese embedded ports or spyware or something? Could you explain what that was all? Are you familiar with that story? I read something briefly. I didn't have time. Yeah, I did not. I did not read that story. But I will tell you that certainly there are what we call supply chain hacks. And that's where things get embedded in components that come from China and other places for that matter. And our own government does that when they want to spy on somebody, they will intercept, you know, in transit devices that can be hacked. And so it's no surprise, but there are ways to protect against that in that you can isolate systems from the internet, you can monitor.

But yeah, certainly that's happening on a regular basis. And sure, all of our phones, everything that comes out of China, there's a level of trust there that has been violated by the Chinese and so yeah absolutely. All right hey appreciate it Eric. Eric once again Action Datatel, it's his company and we've talked to them about cyber security issues before appreciate the call there. Lucretia, hello Lucretia how are you this morning? I always expect you on Conspiracy Theory Thursday and I'm glad you didn't disappoint. I have good news and bad news. Okay, what's the good news?

Well the good news is Dick Alka, the remote viewer, said pretty much everything's gonna be blown up by 2029. Oh that's the good news? That's the good news? Really? Yeah, yeah, but the good news is that then we're going to have probably free energy after that for the few people that are left. Oh, oh, oh, okay. So the bad news, you really meant bad news. So bad news, it's all blown up by 2029, but then after that, we get free energy, right? Yeah, but before that, and I'm still getting the other bad news, before that, David, Dr. David Martin is now saying it's already planned there's going to be something happening on the 4th of July that's going to kill 280,000

and then infect up to 400,000 more. So something's happening, but it's all planned out kind of like January 6th is all planned out. You know what, you know something, they're going after the 4th of July hot dogs, huh? Who knows? No, I think it's worse than that. Let me explain. And you can see all the scientific, all the people that are behind this, including people like the, that are behind this, including people like the, oh god, what was the universities, I've got to write it with my notes here, like universities. Okay, well now, if supposedly a big plan to kill hundreds of thousands of people, okay, where and why? And how?

Okay, well, let me, well, stick this, Bill. First, I want to tell you how bad this is. No, I don't want to know how bad it is right now because it's bad. Okay? I'm just going to assume that when you talk about hundreds of thousands of people dying, what is the mechanism? Some doctor says they're going to kill them. That is a big statement, you know? Yeah, doctors, even Martin, doesn't say that. I think our grid is going to go down. Okay, now try to keep the number of doctors and names here to a manageable level, okay? Please. Oh, I've got one more doctor to give you.

Oh no, not another doctor. No, one more doctor. Remember I talked the other day about how they can synthesize the venom? They're putting it in the seeds now. The seeds are going to grow. And literally everything from your zucchini to your squash to your potato to your rice to your stevia to your Frito-Lays to your every type of vegetable. And it's what this venom does because they're synthesizing for the plants to grow venom. So if

anything tries to eat the roots, the stem, the leaf, the fruit, it paralyzes and dies. Wow. I have to tell you, you know, look at the bright side. Lucretia, if this ends up being true, then we're all dead anyway and we're not going to need Ozempic, you know, at this point. Well Well let me just tell you a little bit. No I don't I don't have listen I don't want to go down you keep you know you're sparking once again sparking from one thing to another once just once I want you to say one doctor says this and then I say thank you Lucretia and then I move on. Okay? Just one time. One time. One time. What? God love you. Good morning. This is Bill. Hi, who's this?

Bill, Brad here. Good morning to you. Hello, Brad. Please do not read off multiple doctors. You'll drive me crazy. Oh, okay. See, my mind is operating in linear fashion. I don't have multi-threading doctor brain capability right now, okay? I have joy for your linear mind. One of the things that's been a problem is all this manufactured astro-turf

with the town hall meetings that have been going on since Trump got elected. And I sat in on the cliff bent telephone town hall last night. Yeah he had a telephone town hall that's interesting. He ended up doing a robo call to my house and you know I'm busy doing other things but how did it go? I'm just curious. You know Bill it went remarkably well because the way it worked is is that you're in the town hall. If you want to talk, you press, I think it was star three, and then somebody says, what

would you like to ask the congressman? But the linear part that you would appreciate is how orderly it was compared to all of the nonsense that's been going on at the town hall. Somebody would ask a question, the congressman would respond to the question. If there was any follow-up, he'd take care of that, and then on to the next question. It was orderly, it was informational, and there was none of the nonsense that has kind of plagued some of these other things. Is it kind of stuff like this, right? We will overcome! We will overcome!

Yeah, that stuff wasn't happening. Okay. Yeah, yeah, none of that, none of that nonsense. But one of the, and you would have been very pleased, I think, with how directly and effectively the congressman responded to all the, I thought he did a really good job. But one of the things that he talked about was, was power and energy and how important power and energy are. The son of one of my really good friends is a professional power trader and that's what he does for a utility. What you've been talking about this morning really is true. Our power grid is quite a bit more fragile than it used to be because

of these so-called alternative, the solar panels and the wind turbines. Two of the most important things for civilization are water and power, and these dam and dam removal things affect both of them. Agreed. Yeah, this is serious stuff. And thank you very much for the update on Cliff here. And we're going to find out how serious of society are we in these coming years here, Brad. And I was having a conversation via email with someone who is, and I'm repeating this if you were listening earlier this morning, but it had to do with finding the $90 million, whatever it is is to bring the ball team here in Southern Oregon.

I'm not a big fan of doing that kind of stuff, but we're going to have to be focused on the important stuff, water, energy, food, education, I think more and more in these coming years, because so much of this has been kind of... I don't know if it's intentionally broken or not. You have a take on it? Is it almost like an intentional breaking of society? I don't know. 100%. Alright, thanks for the call, Brad. We go to another call here. Hello, good morning. Who's this? This is Minor Dave. Yes, Dave.

Yeah, so before I get started on my theory, which I have two of them, I know I only got time to... How about one? How about one good one? But just before I start, this is a dad joke. My dad told me when I was about 14, I asked him what's so important about experts and he said experts are a drip or a has-been and a drip under pressure. A drip under pressure.

So the one theory I got, it's actually analysis, it's on and I sent you both you emails on the other one but it's on the sovereign fund. But the one is on HAPIUS Corpus and them considering suspending it, right? Well, you know, they have these military zones and military bases around them. They all have military zones. And federal buildings or federal facilities all have federal facility zones around them. So and that includes all of DC. And I would also add that there's that 60, what was it, 60-70 foot wide military zone on the

border. Question, do you think that'll ever be used to keep us in? I don't know if it'll be used to keep us in I? Don't know if it'll be used to keep us in but they can declare emotional law and conduct military tribunals They've done it before they'll do it again All right. Thank you for the theory Dave Kamedi good morning. Hi, who's this? Thank you from the Apple gate hello Vicky hi Hey Bill, it's Vicki from the Applegate. Hello Vicki. Hi.

Well, you know, Bill, I have an issue with the baseball thing. If you drive around town, you've got the Harry and David fields, you've got the new field over on Lozier Lane, you know, you've got the one that's outside of Central Point. And when I first moved here, it was about basketball and football. It really wasn't about baseball. And I think investing that much money, we have so many other problems that that money could go towards. And I think it's more of a tourism thing than actually getting a professional team to come in.

And I know that is, but even when you think about it, nobody's going to come to Medford to watch a minor league baseball team. That's not going to be... Now it is something that could churn a certain percentage of the existing population's entertainment budget. But I don't consider that necessarily like we're creating this amazing growth engine. I'm not anti-baseball. In fact, baseball of all the sports is my favorite one to watch. If there was one I was going to go to, it would be a baseball.

I'm just talking about who's going to pay for it. And the fact that even the teams themselves don't really have the money to do their own stadiums tells you that the economic impact is not as great as they would like us to think. That's all. Well, exactly. It's more about how many people are going to come and eat at the restaurant and stay at all these motels they've put up and how much gas they're going to guzzle up while they're here and how much food they're going to eat while they're here.

It's minor baseball. It's not like the concerts where they've actually brought in bigger names now that the amphitheaters there and stuff. It just seems like such a waste of money to me. There's other facilities for minor baseball games that they could use. They don't need to spend 90 million dollars on something. All right, I think we got you. I appreciate the call. And like I said, I would like it. I had no doubt I would probably go to

see a game occasionally. But is me going to see a game, you know, generating economic activity that I should be forced to subsidize through some form of rent seeking, which is how they would always end up having to do this somehow, in which we would have to pay some more on our utility bill or, you know, do something like that. In fact, I noticed it up in GrantsPass, there already, there was some it up in GrantsPass. There was some talk in their GrantsPass budgeting meeting that already people are starting to fall behind on their utility payments. So it's kind of a signal, like canary in the coal mine. This is the Bill Meyers Show, KMED, KMED, HD1, Eagle Point, Medford, KBXG, GrantsPass.