Bill Meyer Show Podcast - Sponsored by Clouser Drilling www.ClouserDrilling.com - 05-23-25_FRIDAY_6AM

Episode Date: May 23, 2025

Morninfg news and conversation then a dive into Artificial Intelligence, both good and iffy with Marc Beckman, author of Some Future Day - How AI Is Going to Change Everything

The Bill Meyer Show podcast is sponsored by Clauser Drilling. They've been leading the way in southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Clauser Drilling.com. Here's Bill Meyer. Good morning. It's getaway Friday or maybe you already got away. I don't know. Are you leaving town for this weekend for Memorial Day weekend? You staying close? Going to head over to Boatnik, maybe?

Boy, I tell you, it's about a perfect weekend for Boatnik, isn't it? They couldn't ask for a better day and even on Monday, you know, the Memorial Day races, my gosh, it's gonna be like, it's kind of clouding up a little bit in the mid upper 70s, you know, that sort of thing. You couldn't have ordered a better weekend for that event in Grants Pass. That's just wonderful. Wonderful for them and the Saturday parade parade etc. But anyway, yeah, tomorrow is going to be probably the peak of the heap. We'll talk with Mr. Outdoors about that, Greg Roberts will kick it all around with us here, but I'm staying close to home. I'm actually going to, well of course I'm still kind of recovering a little bit from the cold, I'm still a little stuffy and a little

snotty, you know, that sort of thing. But I'm feeling better. But this is the weekend I'm going to...Linda and I have committed that we are at least going to commit to taking on the jungle, which used to be called our front yard and garden. Because, you know, the Hutton's that we bought the house from a number of years ago, they were gardeners. Linda and I are not gardeners. We hate gardening. We hate everything about it. And God bless the Hutton's. They planted everything that takes care that we just don't feel like doing. And so I have to tell you the wind or the rain rather over the winter in the spring just it just rained and rained and I've

never seen the grass and the wild grass and the various weeds pop up like this year. I think it must have just been all that rain. We're staying pretty close to home. You'll see Lydia and me slaving away in the front yard yesterday or tomorrow rather. I will be probably with two machetes. I'll need two machetes to cut it all down. Two machetes. Yeah, one machete for the left. Yeah, going back and forth and then we'll see. I'm actually thinking about, we're almost thinking about leveling half of the front garden, gardeny flower bed, something, just leveling it and starting again because we just don't see any way to recover. Really what happened for us

is we had these these beautiful birch trees that were in the front when we first bought the house. They're just beautiful trees. But you know how the birch trees have been getting that borer in it and they really weren't designed for our climate, but they look so pretty. People put them in 30, 40 years ago. And we had to take the trees down and all the foliage that was underneath it was designed to be shaded. And then once the shade was gone the ivy starts looking crappy and the other things they just don't they don't

like it as much. So we're gonna have to clean that up. That's what we're doing this weekend. I don't know what you're up to but you can tell me. Are you leaving? You're staying close to town? Heading out to It's going to be beautiful there too. 7705633, 770KMED. Go to phones. Hey, it's Find Your Phone Friday, so I'll hit the phones. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Good morning, Bill. It's Deplorable Patrick, and I don't know if I'm going to be able, I've got to be in a hurry. I don't feel I'll be able to blend with the flow of the program, but I just wanted to tell you I've had some wonderful visions in my, what, three or four in the morning laying awake listening to KMED news following the murder by this Rodriquez guy of two Jewish people there in, where was the,

I don't remember exactly where, but... Yes, the Jewish Museum in Washington, DC. Yeah. What I would love to see, tell me how far-fetched or how really realistic this thought is. I've been having wonderful visions of cops coming in to college classrooms and arresting college professors as accessories to murder. Well, I's, um, I want to be careful about such things. Yes. Because you can see,

and I know there may be some people who who would disagree with me on this. As I said yesterday, that is real anti-Semitism. When you see someone target someone because of their faith, ethnicity, or something like that, boom. That's it.

That's dead-bang anti-Semitism. And yet, there are many—and I'm one of those people on the right that don't necessarily agree with a lot of Israel's policies, and also Israel having undue influence in the American government through its AIPAC group. And so there's a big difference though. The Trump administration and others seem to be wanting to go down that road to conflate disagreeing with, in other words, I'm being like Thomas Massie, you know, Thomas Massie who doesn't like, you know, Congress being minded by Israel to the

extent, that being completed with anti-Semitism. See what I'm getting at? The danger of it. Then what? Does someone come in and arrest Thomas Massie then for not being totally, you know, a lay down for what Israel wants us to do? Well, I don't totally trust my own thinking on this. I just think that these college professors are the source of some real problems in the miseducating the kids. And maybe your thinking is better. Well, I don't know if it's necessarily better.

It's just my own thinking on this. If you look at the way that things have been spun, and antisemitism is a virulent disease, and I will give you that there's a real problem like that, but we have people who are anti-black, we have people who are anti-white, we have people who are anti-Hispanic. You can, you can find bigotry of all sorts. And I don't want the idea catching hold that we have to force love on one another. I would say that we don't force violence on one another. And kind of draw the line. I get concerned about freedom of speech.

And I don't want to see us go down the road like the left did during COVID time, during the Biden administration, after Trump and January 6th and everything else, where point of views are to be criminalized. Now I'm getting at, I just want to be, I would be very careful about such things. That's all.

So how does this Rodriguez guy get his ideas that he's supposed to go in and kill Jews? Well, he very well may have got it from a college professor, but on the other hand, Rodriguez has personal agency. He's not a little robot. It resonated with him and he wanted to do it. You see what I'm getting at here? I don't want to transfer responsibility for the crime away from the people actually doing the crime to someone who may have talked to them and encouraged, I guess. Always put it where it belongs, on the people who actually do it. Well, there are a lot of people that I have no use for, but I don't go around and shoot them.

No, no, exactly. And I would agree with you on that. Yeah, the best thing that could happen, in my view, would be for academia To be completely defunded so that if they wish to preach such nonsense Well, they're not gonna have you and me paying them. How about that? Okay, I love it I just And by the way, and don't send your kids to those people That would be the other thing now The thing is it took many generations to get to the point where essentially academia is 95% communist. Okay? That's real tough. You know, it's a big battle right now. I mean, and they've won. Academia has won

at this point. Progressivism, communism, whatever ism you want to call it like that, except you know, republicanism is pretty much running the show these days and President Trump has quite a battle ahead of him. Okay? You've got to remember, incitement is a crime. That's true. Incitement is a crime. If you could actually tie it to that, fine, arrest the professor if that's the case.

If you could actually tie it to that. That's kind of at the root of my question. What can you tie it to? Yeah, yeah. It's kind of like what's happening with the Asante nurse drug diversion case. You know that case that we've talked about, haven't heard much about it. It's like you hear it from all the people within law enforcement. Yeah, everybody knows what happens. Yep, we know. Everybody knows it. Everybody knows it, everybody knows it, can you prove it? That's the question, right? Yeah, I haven't followed it that closely, but yeah, you do have to prove stuff.

Yeah, can you prove it in a court of law beyond a reasonable doubt? That's the kind of situation. And other than that, you know, it is alleged. You know, she's still, you know, alleged, but you know, you talk to anybody in law That's the kind of situation. And other than that, it is alleged. She's still alleged. But you talk to anybody in law enforcement, they'll tell you. And just like the college professors, everybody knows it, everybody knows it, everybody knows it. Can you prove it?

Can you connect the crime directly to it? That would be the big question involving the anti-Semitic student from Chicago. That's why I asked you if you thought it could be proven that these college professors are inciting this kind of stuff. I don't know unless you were to go back there and go through the through the lectures and emails and notes and things like that. I mean it's possible. Incitement. Yeah, maybe there is a case to be made for incitement. I just, you know, in a time where we need even more robust exchange of ideas here, even the ideas that I hate the most have to be protected too. That's, and I don't like saying that, but that's the truth of the matter

and I get really concerned that we go down the road where the right wing just becomes the right wing version of what the left wing nuts did last time around. I don't want to go there completely. Appreciate your thoughts there Bill. I'll keep moving. Alright, I'm glad you called though. I really am. I appreciate that. Alright, 7705633. Speaking of the right wing versus left wing, meet the new boss, same as the old boss, blah blah blah.

Let's take a look at what's going on in Ashland. There's been a story brewing down there and Morgan Rothborn wrote in Ashland.News. This has been kind of bubbling under the surface here. But this is interesting. You know, Eric Novickus, I interviewed Eric Novickus a number of years ago, former Ashland City Councilor a number of years ago. I forget what we were talking about. Was it the time when he was naked? That he was just showing up naked? You know, he's had a colorful history here in in southern Oregon. But Ashland.News reporting, former Ashland Councilor Eric Novickis arrested following an accusation of racist comments and a subsequent altercation with police chief Tai O'Meara.

During an Ashland City Council meeting, this was Tuesday night, Novickis was booked on allegations of harassment, disorderly conduct. In a phone call, Novickis said that as he was leaving the council chambers after he addressed the council during a discussion about the city's enhanced law enforcement area, the police chief had an obnoxious grin on his face and said, My testimony was racist and I'm nothing but a racist. And Novick has said that as the two exited the main room of council chambers and moved to the other vestibule area, he put his finger— the chief's chest and said, don't call me a racist. No! You can't do that. Oh no, you can call somebody a racist. No, you can't put the finger on the police chief's chest because you know that's anyway. Also reached by phone Wednesday, oh by the way, Novickas continued, he said he felt police officers should be calm and composed and instead he was arrested for

only touching an officer that is likely akin to what homeless people in Ashland experienced. Novickas said being provoked by a police officer and arrested for their response. Now O'Mara said that Novickas pushed, being provoked by a police officer and arrested for their response. Now, O'Mara said that Novickus pushed him back with both hands and a hard shove, but even if it had only been a finger to the chest, that would have been a physical response to a verbal statement and thereby crossing into harassment. Now, after he was arrested, Novickus said he was taken to Jackson County jail, left in a holding cell, and then charged with harassment and disorderly conduct. O'Meara confirmed those charges, said other charges may be pending through the DA's office. Any potential fine or punitive action as a result will be decided by the Ashland-Municourt

judge, Novicka said. He said he was speaking to an attorney about the incident and believed he has a stronger case for harassment than O'Meara. Novicka said that on multiple occasions, including when he served as chair of the city's Budget Committee, O'Meara had made heckling comments to him. Counselor Dylan Bloom provided a statement on Tuesday's events via text message. Former counselor and recent candidate Eric Novicka made a comment implying that an increase in black residents in Ashland would lead to more crime. That statement is objectively racist and entirely unacceptable in any forum, especially in a public meeting of

our city government, he said. Bloom said he heard O'Meara say to Novickis that was racist and then he saw Novickis shove O'Meara say to Novikis, that was racist. And then he saw Novikis shove O'Meara into a door or wall before the altercation moved out of sight into the vestibule area on the other side of the door. And he said there is no place for racist rhetoric or physical aggression in Ashland, not in our politics, not in our meetings, not in our community. So there he goes. So there we go. So that's what they're accusing Novickus of saying that if there were more black people

in Ashland that there would be higher crime. Now I don't know. Those are touchy subjects when you get into this and because everything about diversity, equity, and inclusion and everything else has been about trying to ignore What is reality in many cases? You know that's the way if you happen to notice things going on with certain groups of people And you can't judge everybody by race or ethnicity or something like that But you can sometimes see some general statistics and the statistics are interesting

It's like you look at... and so just for fun, and I'm wondering if this is what Novickus was thinking about, because you go over to the Oregon Department of Corrections where you look at all the people who are imprisoned, in state prison. I'm just going to stick with the male side of the prison because that's where most of the crime, the really serious crime comes from, from men. It's just the bottom line, especially young men. But let's see, let's see, we have 379 in the state prison system. And let's see, you have 44 blacks, 46 Hispanics, 273 whites. There's a handful of Americans. And let's see Asians, a handful of Asians in there and yeah most are white Hispanic and black are the two major minorities now the thing is though

the you look at the census in Oregon and blacks are 3.2 percent of Oregon's population 3.2 percent but 12% of prison inmates. Now I know that many will say that's because, well, the courts are racist, or the juries are racist, everybody is racist, racist, racist, that's it. And so according to this, when it comes to crime that gets you into the state prison system, blacks are punching four times above their weight, roughly speaking. Now you go to Hispanics. Hispanics population has grown to about 14% of Oregon last census. I'm just spitballing a little bit and there are 46 Hispanics in the state prison system and that

works out to be about 12% of prison inmates, 14% of the population. So Hispanics punching a little bit underneath their weight. So I don't know if that's the sort of stuff that Eric Novickis is observing and just thinks he knows if that's what he's referencing or what, but needless to say noticing anything in Ashland can certainly get you in trouble and certainly touching the police chief in the chest, even if it is gently, unless it's to say, hey, you know, you have a little, you know, speck of something on your... No, you can't even do that.

Don't even do that. Yeah, that can get you in big trouble. So, Novikis is fighting himself sideways. And like I said, he's very interesting and colorful individual. It's 28 minutes after six on KMED 99.3 KBXG. If you have any thoughts on that, you go ahead, fire away, 7705633.

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Well they've been out there in the podcast realm and they're saying that Epstein killed himself completely, they believe it, and that Crooks was a lone government. Crooks that was killed right away. His computer was scrubbed. There's no backup, any information about this guy anywhere. That was all that happened. I don't believe that either one of those things, and I'm disappointed in both those guys, is not being truthful with us. I just don't believe it. Are they not being truthful or are they only speaking about the evidence as has been presented

to them? I'm trying to give the benefit of a doubt here. Yeah, but they always get the bottom line. They don't make the good after and they should have some kind of thought in their own head that would question it like you and I do. Well, yeah, you realize like well with Epstein, how many people who wanted him dead, how much information he had on the very insanely rich and insanely powerful types, and that you see the cameras are off, the guards are away, etc. Yeah,

it does stretch credulity a little bit, doesn't it? It does. I understand your pain. I kind of have some of the same thoughts. I can't help but wonder though, is this the price of admission though into civil society to be able to get something else done? Is there a possibility that could be what's going on? In other words, you have to agree to what many people think is a lie? Thank you for that, Bill. You're bringing me down. I'm going to calm down. Oh, no, I don't want you to calm down. I don't want you to calm down. No, I do want you to calm down.

But I don't know. I'm going to hold judgment. I'll be curious to see what they actually do rather than what they say. Yes. Thank you so very much. I'm so glad to have you back. And I love Garvey and I'm sorry he's gone. I'll be glad to come call you at least anytime. I appreciate your call. Thank you so much. Joining me next here is a man that I've been reading a little bit about the last couple of days here. And I'm so looking forward to talking with him.

He's Mark Beckman and he's written a book, Some Future Day, How AI is Going to Change Everything. It already is changing things. I also want to talk with him about even some restrictions on AI, well, actually restrictions on restricting AI that have been put in that big, beautiful bill. And it sort of made me as just a regular guy going, oh, okay, so they want to give it 10 years to build Skynet.

Maybe Mark will talk me down. I don't know, but we'll get to him in a couple of minutes. I'm looking forward to it. Hi, this is Bill Meyer and I'm with Charisse from No Wires Now, your Dish Premier local retailer. It's time to switch to Dish. If you have DirecTV or CableTV, call me today to see how I can save you money. Plus, I'll lower your internet and cell phone bills. And those offers in the mail from Dish, you can go through no wires now for those. Call me at 541- So deliciously decadent and sinful, it's illegal in six states.

This is the Bill Meyers Show on 1063 KMED. 637, Mark Beckman joins me, and I'm so looking forward to this talk. He's the author of Some Future Day, How AI is Going to Change Everything. He's the CEO of an award-winning advertising agency, DMA United. He's done big advertising campaigns for all the big boys, really. And he like me, you know, you embrace technology to help campaigns, artificial intelligence, blockchain, and gosh, you have done so many things and also leveraged AI, digital culture, blockchain. You've kind of done it all in this.

And actually you wrote a book about blockchain too, didn't you, and cryptocurrency and things. Tell me about that. Hi Bill, yep I did, I did. The book that I wrote about blockchain and crypto also went to number one in the category on Amazon. So these categories, AI and crypto, in my opinion, are inexorably connected.

They will, for a very long time, stay connected. And in fact, I believe that they're gonna represent the largest percentage-wise, the largest sector of growth in our country because a lot of the things that the Trump administration is doing over the next four years. And some of the things that the Trump administration is doing over the next few years, I'm hoping that they are all good. Some of them I am a little questioning of and I

wanted to talk with you about this because we're kind of told more or less that artificial intelligence and the control of many things this sort of thing and the we're going to make government more efficient we're going to do this it's all inevitable it is progress it is something which cannot be resistance is futile to take the old you know thing about the board you you know you will be assimilated, that sort of thing. And that, I think, is where I start thinking, I don't know if I like the idea of the federal government in that big, beautiful bill saying that over the next 10 years, no state or anything or anybody can really do anything to have any kind of

regulation of artificial intelligence, no rules, just let it go wild. Am I okay to be a little concerned about that? Bill, you are a hundred percent okay to be a little concerned about that. You should be. I don't even know if it's constitutional, honestly. Like, how can they mitigate the, on a local level, the state's ability to legislate as it relates to a new technology? And it might be important, particularly because I'm here in New York City, as I understand you're in Oregon. Yes.

And obviously we have very different needs, concerns, and priorities. So how can the federal government possibly legislate and protect all of our citizenry within our specific needs effectively with such differences geographically, financially, socially, and beyond. So it is a concern that you should have. Okay and are there any things, is there anything about artificial intelligence that I should be welcoming and saying, hey, don't worry about this, but maybe worry about this aspect of it?

And I was wondering, maybe you could talk about how you look at this, how it is changing everything in your book. Okay. So moving off the bill, if you want for a second, like I am a tech optimist, and I believe that artificial intelligence is going to fundamentally change society for the better very quickly in fact, Bill, within three to five years.

I think and I get into this in my book, Some Future Day, How AI is going to change everything. If you want to learn how AI is going to change your career, finances, your family, and how you can use it to your advantage even to improve your community, my book lays all of this out. And we go through all the different business sectors, and I provide the tools for everybody. If you're a beginner, you're not a tech person. You just want to learn how to get into using AI. Each chapter I provide names and I list tools that

people can implement. Simple to use tools, just text prompts. You don't have to be an engineer, a programmer, a tech person. Yeah, can you give me an example of, let's say, okay, let's say that someone wants to use artificial intelligence to improve their construction company. Let's say that someone wants to use artificial intelligence to improve their construction company. Let's say he had a construction company. What might you suggest to them to help improve the way that they would build things or build homes or projects?

Great question. So twofold. First, think about how expensive it is for that construction company to advertise these days. Typically, especially if you're a startup or entrepreneurial, you have a small business, you don't have the money to compete with these big legacy industries, these big legacy businesses. So with artificial intelligence, you get two efficiencies, time and money. For relatively almost no money, you could stand up an advertising

campaign through the use of AI. And again, I lay this all out for the book. It's great for small business owners. And that campaign can be implemented immediately through a targeted social media campaign. And I give the tools for that too in my book. So it's going to have a leveling, it's going to level the playing field for entrepreneurs and small businesses going after those big businesses. The other thing for construction, which is great, is that artificial intelligence is going to provide efficiencies as it relates to the architectural and design side.

So immediately, let's get it, it's kind of interesting because to a certain extent, it's going to eliminate jobs within the white collar space, including architects. I was absolutely thinking that of course now I can't wait to see when the architects then sue AI for a practicing architecture or being an architect without a license or something, state license. Did you see that coming? Exactly. Yeah. It's coming. It's coming. But you know what what's happening right now is that artificial intelligence has a it's a moment where it can really blossom and advance America's growth and going back to the bill where you started the conversation

I think what the Trump administration is trying to do here and and you know in turn the Republican Party is Create a scenario that is contrary to what we saw the Biden administration to with crypto currency what the Biden administration did was a fat effectively created so much uncertainty and so many new regulatory issues for crypto

currency at every state level that it had a chilling effect on investment and talent in fact monies went overseas to places like Asia, including China, and so did the talent. And I think what the government is saying here is, whoa, whoa, whoa, we know there are a lot of fears with artificial intelligence, but it's so early on right now that your fears are not, it's not, it's not real. They're're not real let's give this business sector the moment to grow let's allow for monies to flood in

create innovation so that we can improve businesses we could compete internationally and our people aren't restricted on ideas right so all the fears that your audience might have about artificial intelligence they come like almost out of sci-fi movies. This is algebra right now. We're not at a point yet where artificial intelligence is taking over the world and pointing our nuclear weapons back at our major cities.

It's nothing like that right now. So imagine putting regulations on ideas or thoughts. That's kind of where I think the federal government is coming from. And what they're effectively doing is saying, let's keep this business sector of AI, which is going to provide the underpinning across every single category of business

from the creative fields, the finance from government to medicine. Let's free them up for investment, for talent and growth so that we truly are the leaders on the planet. Right now it's close, right? China and US are tied, I'd say, as far as like development and growth in AI and the GCC with President Trump's recent visit to Qatar, UAE and and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is right there with us now. They're probably in the third position. They leapfrogged Israel. So it's an interesting situation that we have right now.

And I think the government, the federal government is saying hands off states. Let the money flow through. Let the innovation happen. Your fears are all just concepts. They're ideas. They're not real yet. Mark Beckman is the author of Some Future Day. How AI is going to change everything. Okay, so nothing to be concerned about right now. I look at 10 years though in such rapid process that what? And this is where I go right down into the Terminator script. And you're right.

A lot of what happens with artificial intelligence, you end up grasping from the thinkers in science fiction. Science fiction, and sometimes they paint really great pictures and other times not so good. How about 10 years to build Skynet and the technocracy control of the populace? You know, when I see all the tech bros standing up there on the stage with Trump in the early part of the administration and they're talking about this 500 billion for AI, I'm looking at the people who I am not electing who

will end up being masters of the universe. Am I wrong to even consider that? No, I think you're right. I believe personally that what you're calling the tech bros, I think they're more powerful than any government on the planet right now. I mean if you really think about it, and here are issues with artificial intelligence that are happening right now. So those tech bros, right, think in terms of meta, think in terms of TikTok, think in terms of X with Elon,

they have the ability to control communities, social media, as well as through platforms like YouTube and Google owns YouTube and TikTok. They can control algorithms to push ideas and concepts and concepts into the public. So ideas that they want us to believe, right? Which is happening already, it's happening now. And to throttle down ideas,

which they don't want us talking about or believing also. That's correct, that's absolutely right. And then any centralized power that controls these AI LLMs could also change the tone of our educational system. So like the Chinese LLM DeepSeq has actually been programmed in a way that is almost like Confucius-like. It's pro-CCP and anti-american the other thing that AI does right now that is you know really scary as it relates to Centralized power of governments and corporations is amazing facial recognition software it's already being used in the United States in places like Miami in the Miami Police Department and That becomes them big privacy concerns come into play there And then the other issue that people need to be concerned about, frankly, is the fact that artificial intelligence can be used to

create new types of propaganda campaigns between governments. So just a few weeks ago, China went into Taiwan with a major attack,, anti-American propaganda campaign. It was covered in Reuters, but it's interesting that you and probably your listeners didn't hear anything about it. We didn't hear a word about that here, Mark. Thank you. So a full anti-American campaign went in through AI generated images, video, written words, etc. So there are concerns right now. And again, if big tech is controlling content, communities with social media, the AI, LLMs, and beyond, even like Google's coming in with quantum computing, these are major concerns that you should be concerned of. Absolutely.

So Mark, I want to drill down to that before I ask more about that control of the tech bros. drill down to that before I ask more about that control of the tech bros. What was your impression of DeepSeek? Because there was a big shock through the markets because everybody kind of had this feeling that artificial intelligence unicorns were going to be pooping trillions of dollars of cash into our 401ks because of Nvidia and things like that. You know what I'm getting at? And then DeepSeek came out and really put a shock through it. Is DeepSeek as good or good enough for people given that it's from the communist Chinese, it came from China, but it doesn't necessarily need those really expensive TechPro chips. What do you think? Yeah, Bill, you're right on. So DeepSeq did a

lot and in my opinion it was that moment in time that product launch where I said okay China is really neck and neck with us right now. To your credit you're highlighting the fact that end users don't really care if they have the best and most powerful chip working their LLM, working their AI search engine. What they want is results and DeepSeq did that. You might recall DeepSeq when it launched in the United States, this Chinese run app raced to number one on the App Store. Two million Americans downloaded it without reading the terms and conditions, without learning that any information or data, personal information or data that's uploaded on their servers in China is legally accessible by the CCP by the government so it is it is concerning on that level and as I mentioned earlier like their

rendition of the world like for example Tiananmen Square didn't happen the leaders are enslaved Xi Jinping a great Democratic elected leader. So, you know, the way that they're going to influence a lot of our lazier, next generation, you know, our kids aren't going to do the work to verify all the information that they get from AI, that's AI generated. And if they don't do that, they'll believe that the world is functioning in a way that is entirely untrue. How do you believe then we can get the benefits of AI and like I said, we have our businesses and we work up campaigns and we're able to create certain things and maybe modify our

home the way, in other words, make it work for us instead of us having working for the tech bros? Yeah. Right now there are some great great things available and if you're like if you're a beginner not a tech person and you really want to take the time to figure out how to create for example more efficiencies in your career for your small business to create more financial value for you and your family you could break into my book and I provide you with all of the tools

it could be something as simple as using an AI search engine like ChatGPT, Perplexity, even DeepSeek to help quickly draft letters, draft business plans, draft advertising campaigns, draft social media campaigns. You could save a tremendous amount of time and then you could kick off full on campaigns if you want to go out and solicit investors and beyond so the first stage is take a step in the right

direction it's really simple a great place to start is through a I search in fact 10% of the American American population. Is already using a I search Google is probably- a little concerned about it because I'm sure you would agree

the Google experience is substandard now. It's really just advertising in your face and you get to do the work. Really what you could do with ChatGPT is incredible if you have a question about history and you want to tie that into a business model and you want it to come out as a memorandum. It could occur for you in a matter of seconds, literally. Are we having fewer hallucinations like the early talks in which you'd bring up founding fathers that were white and they come up black or reverse, you know, that kind of thing going on?

Yeah, a lot of that wasn't a hallucination. A lot of that was done purposely, right, with a left-leaning, woke perspective. And that's why I'm concerned about centralized power in these tech companies as well as for our government. Then how do you think that will become decentralized given that you know artificial intelligence, large language models, etc. etc. These networks here that you've been talking about are very expensive to build, require insane amounts of power to run, and would tend to require lots of capital. How do you decentralize that in your view?

Yeah, I think it's going to take time for us to get through this first phase. It's like anything else, tons of money and investment go into the groundbreaking beginning of a new invention, right? We saw this with airplanes and automobiles and beyond. But in time, there's going to be disruptors. They're going to be able to leverage open source information with Meta through Lama, even DeepSeek if they want and that will disrupt the world and create hopefully a truly democratic LLM where everybody's singular point of view can be built into it and it could be honest

with us and that's what we're going to need but we're not there quite yet and your concern about these big tech oligarchs running the world is spot on. Okay, some future day is the book, How AI is Going to Change Everything by Mark Beckman. I'm going to put all this information up including, in fact you can almost just find them on most the social media platforms at Mark Beckman as an example on X. I think we have, is this Francine? Francine, do you have a question for Mark Beckman about his book here? Go ahead. Well, not so much about his book, but on the topic is, you know, you were referring to the Chinese influence and the propaganda that they've built into their chip and so forth.

But what makes anyone think that chips, anything made in America or any other country is not doing the same thing? We're living in a world where everything that we're told, you know, by anything that's mainstream is not real. It's not true. It's all planted. And I just don't, I'm sorry, I have absolutely no enthusiasm towards AI taking control of this.

Well, you know, I think it'd be a good idea to figure out how to use it and make it work for you though, because you're going to have to, Mark, you know, she brings up an interesting perspective here, but we're gonna have to be able to learn how to navigate this flood of information, which may have been created by AI or via AI, wouldn't it? Wouldn't that be the case? No, we don't control it. Francine, it's a great question. There are two things that are worth noting. Two big things happened this week. First, the Pope, Leo, the

new Pope, he said that he wanted to use artificial intelligence as one of his positions forward-looking to protect the people. Now, it's interesting when you talk about the benefits of AI as it relates to, imagine analyzing the church's thousands and thousands of years worth of writings and creating some connections to like stand up faith in a bigger way. But I'm sure that the pope is also looking at it and saying, well, there's a big dark side to artificial intelligence and I want to protect all people from it. The second thing that happened this week with AI that's pretty

significant, pretty big, truthfully, is just yesterday, the first lady of the United States launched her audio book, Melania, and it's on Melaniatrump.com. And that audio book was created entirely with AI. My understanding that there were certain restrictions put in place to make sure that there were no jailbreak so that no one could take that perfectly replicated. I would encourage you to go listen to it. It's like a perfect replica of her voice.

It literally sounds like her. And you don't want any deep fake coming, not just from high profile individuals like the listen to it. It's like a perfect replica of her voice. It literally sounds like her. And you don't want any deep fake coming, not just from high profile individuals like the first lady, but from family members too. Imagine the deep fakes that are coming now as far as like financial scams and fraud. So there are big things happening in the AI world. And I would highly encourage you to take a look. My book, I hate to sound like I'm self promoting, but I am. The book is a great place to start because it shows the lay of the land for beginners

and how everybody could benefit from it. You'll get a better grasp as to what to look out for and why your fears are valid, and then also how to implement them and use these tools to benefit your career, your family, and your community. I appreciate you say, okay, it's not like your fears are unfounded. This is not pie in the sky, you know, fairy dust. There are benefits and there are drawbacks and you have to understand this is yet another tool. Do you think there's going to come a time

when somehow we humans, what's left of humanity before Elon puts a brain implant in most of humanity. I don't know if that's the neural link. We're already there. We're already there. Yeah. If we will get to the point where you'll almost have to watermark your humanity, I know that may be a strange question to pose that in other words it's like listen I made this I created this with my sweat my thoughts my

spirituality because you get to the point where I even look at people's social media posts and I could swear about half of the images that I'll see that are put in articles and things like that's obviously AI that's AI. I can tell this is an AI design that somebody put up on their design channel, you know, you know, this sort of thing. And it's like, sometimes I don't necessarily want to know what a large language network thinks a nice room should look like. You know what I mean? Bill, this is a, yeah, I do. This is a big topic in my book. I feel like I need to send you a book. Because you'll love it. Like this topic is a huge topic. So what I talk about is

proof of authenticity. Yes. So these are issues of not just ours, but government leaders to think about like deep fakes where government leaders image and voice are taken and there could be like a robo call campaign that is maligning an individual and they never put it together. So what I talk about in the book is and this is where these two worlds of blockchain crypto slash AI come together. We need to you'll see in the very near future individuals, creators, artists, and even government officials that are creating original content, minting their files, their content files on the blockchain to prove that these are authentic messages

or original pieces of artwork that have been created, not through the use of AI. It's going to be a critical part of it for sure. That is fascinating. I've heard about people wanting to use the blockchain for that purpose. This definitely sounds like a must-read. It really does. See, that is fascinating. I've heard about people wanting to use the blockchain for that purpose. This definitely sounds like a must-read. It really does. And it is, I will say once again, some future day how AI is going to change everything. This is just the reality.

And we have to get with the reality of it. I appreciate you looking at the light and the dark of this. And Mark, what's the best place to go to find out about everything? Mark Beckman. So I am on all social media platforms, X, Instagram, LinkedIn. It's at Mark Beckman, M-A-R-C-B-E-C-K-M-A-N. And the book is available on Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Target, Mark Beckman, available on Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Target, Mark Ekman, some future day, how AI is going to change everything. Would you suggest now going back again to the big beautiful bill and the 10 years of AI restriction, would you expect or hope that states would challenge that and then if they

see a problem, they'd be able to legislate some restriction? What do you think? My opinion right now is I like to see the government hands off. The truth of the matter is that the business leaders understand better than the government officials. We have too many people that are in the government that come across as experts and they're just mixing things up. You know, certainly here in New York, New York City, I'm seeing that in an exaggerated way. I think that frankly where you are too, you'd probably agree with me as well. So I would rely, I prefer to rely on the experts. I'd rather see the government's intrusion be limited, especially as it relates to AI where we need them to step in and protect people.

Like we just saw last week, the Take It Down Act was signed into legislation officially. But in that instance, it was real. We were protecting our children from deep fake pornography. The businesses weren't able to help, so the government appropriately stepped in. I think that's when the government should step in. But in the meantime, hands off,

let the entrepreneurs do their thing. Let's create American value, create a stronger economy, and then when we need to fasten that seat belt or enforce that that seat belt is fastened, let the government step in and do their thing. Okay now here's the final final question, sorry I kept you longer than I should have, but how do you prevent AI from being the government, being the technocracy? And like I said, Elon Musk has a long lineage. His parents were involved in the technology, technocracy movement, and they were banned in Canada for that reason because

it was against the government of Canada. And you can't help but see some of these connections. How do you stop the AI from being the technocracy that so many wish? Well, that's a humongous question but let me give your audience an answer as to where a good starting point today is and here it is When you and I were growing up we would say seeing is believing if you hear it believe it if you see it believe it But we are no longer living in that type of a world I think today we need to start in our home and teach our children, if you see it, verify it.

If you hear it, verify it. No longer is this world like it was 20, 30 years ago where everything you read, see on the news, listen to on your podcast, that's no longer to be believed. You really need to verify everything. I appreciate that and thank you for your time this morning, Mark. We'll put your information up on KMED.com. Appreciate it. Take care. Awesome. Thank you. Some future day, how AI is going to change everything. Very thought-provoking topic, that's for sure.