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Episode Date: May 28, 2025

05-28-25_WEDNESDAY_7AM

The Bill Myers Show podcast is sponsored by Clauser Drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at clauserdrilling.com. You're waking up with the Bill Myers Show. Happy to take your calls at 770-5633-770K-MED. What is your evaluation of the overall situation when it comes to traffic delays and problems? I'm not... well, I guess I am griping a little bit. I know it's not pebbling your shoe Tuesday, but yesterday I had to go to Jacksonville

and work on a transmitter site and working on an Onan generator doing my thing and getting the water pump out. Fortunately, successful at that. I guess in my retirement years I could always be an amateur. Well, I guess I could be a professional, semi-professional Onan generator, repair tech now. That's just the way it goes. It's funny what you can learn over time here, right? But anyway, trying to get to Jacksonville was an interesting experience yesterday because

of all the ridiculous delays and construction projects that all seemed to mushroom. Now I understand this is the time of year that if you're going to do some work, it's fine. So I'm on Highway 62 and I'm coming down from my home over me from East Medford. I think I'm on Highway 62 towards Jacksonville and I'm getting down from my home over East Medford, heading down Highway 62 towards Jacksonville, and I'm getting up towards Fred Meyer, and I'm looking at this, and you can see the massive jam. This is about 12.30 in the afternoon yesterday.

Massive traffic jam on Highway 62, which is over there by the Swidewalk. Remember we talked about the Swidewalk, how they ended up with the multimodal kind of rules coming down from the state of Oregon, yet another road diet. And so they put in this insanely wide sidewalk over by the mall, and I guess that's going to help us in our sustainable future. And as the rules, I was looking at some of this project here, they're saying, well, you know, people who were walking on the sidewalk, they were stressed by

the traffic being so close to them, you know, the traffic going by, and there was strain. I don't know who it was. In fact, I even asked ODOT, the planner behind it, I said, did you hire psychiatrists to go down there and talk to the few people walking on the existing sidewalk there, you know, over by, you know, in that neighborhood by the mall, and that they were stressed out? And so we needed a 12-foot sidewalk, 12-foot wide sidewalk, but yeah, that's, you know, your tax dollars supposedly at work. And it's a mess.

It's just a mess. So I saw that jam and I'm going, okay, I'm going to hang a left here on Poplar and I'm going to zoom past Freddy's and I'm going to cut over on McAndrews and just take McAndrews out to Jacksonville, you know, get on and we're having to jump through all these hoops, you know, do this. Oh, then I get on Poplar and they're doing this utility work and they're also doing work over on Moro Drive, which is making life hell for the people trying to go to Sherm's to Sherm's food for less, you know, all this kind of stuff. And thinking to myself, you it almost seems like there is no plan on to when or why or how something gets done.

And we're just going to block up everything. Everything gets blocked up. So essentially it took me 40 minutes to get to Jacksonville because I was in line 15 to 20 minutes at the flagger waiting to get down Poplar after my great idea. Now I'm not saying that I wouldn't have had 15 to 20 minutes trying to get through the mess over at the Big X, over there by the mall here. But it's just insane. So I decided that in my benevolent dictatorship, if I ever am elected benevolent dictator,

every neighborhood will have an escape route. Somewhere you have to be able to get out and there has to be some way for you to keep moving rather than to be like rats in a maze and rats in a cage. And you know I almost wish that there was a congestion permit that the road gods around here would say, okay if you're going to block up 62 with your stupid green stuff you're not allowed to block up Poplar or McAndrews at the same time. Do you think something like that could be done? Do you think there's a way we could actually do it? I don't know, but there's a part of me that seems that everything just happens all at once

and then people are just screwed. And by the way, nobody was walking on the incredibly new, happy new, sidewalk, so it makes you wonder what the Oregon Department of Transportation's multimodal project is all about, other than making you not be able to get there from here. Maybe tell me about what's happening in your neighborhood too. 770-5633. So it's a little grumble on my part. Just a minor pebble in my shoe but I mentioned a lot of other people were more irritated. I was kind of like shaking my head going yep, yep this is it, the green world. Hi, good morning, who's this? And welcome, this is Bill. This is Jing, I got a good idea for the AIs.

Okay, for artificial intelligence, fine, what are you thinking? Well, put them in charge of the wannabe dictators like the judges that think they control the country and the dictator states that are blue put them in charge and get rid of the dictators. Well you're thinking then of artificial intelligence to run the justice system. Is that kind of where you're going? Well they could always take over, not like this state. They could take over and tell everybody what their crimes are of the wannabe dictator. You think there might be a sentence to pay for the crime that they committed, but the American people actually rule the country. Do you think American people would rule with an

American computer in charge of judging guilt or innocence, you know, or large language model? What do you think, Jean? Well, they're only supposed to go after the wannabe dictators. You know, the ones with the politicians with the D. Well, I don't know. I see plenty of authoritarian tendencies on both sides, just in different regions of our lives. I don't think either side is left or right, even though I consider myself a guy from the right. I could see authoritarian.

I think authoritarian tendencies just tends to be a human condition, the fight against that. What about you? Well, you get rid of the road diet you're angry about and drive groups. Yeah, you see, that's the way. I could be the dictator of the road system, right? And I pull out my Klingon bat-lof or whatever that big blade is and start cutting through the hordes of the bureaucrats, trying to keep from getting from you know to there from here right? Well you could always make it possible for them not to be able to work on the same roads that block you from

getting to one place or another. Okay. They can only do that for a certain length of time and we can get rid of the judges that think that They were elected president even though I never voted for the idiot. Yeah, but don't you think that? Artificial intelligence programmed with the existing knowledge would have those built-in biases Not if they were controlled properly and they controlled the controllers. Yeah. Okay. That would be one idea.

Okay. All right, Gene. Gene, thank you very much. I'm going to think about that. The idea of showing up in municipal court and having the artificial intelligence, you know, Judge Silicon. Please rise for Judge Silicon. All right. Appreciate your call as always, Jean. Let me grab another one. Just having some fun. Good morning, KMED. Hi. Good morning, Bill. It's Francine.

All hail Judge Silicon. I don't think so. Or would it be Judge, actually it would probably be quantum computing by the time we're getting them in person. Oh God, that is so overwhelmingly disturbing. Yeah I know. Okay, and I love Jean by the way, she's great. She makes me laugh, she makes me chuckle too. Yeah.

Yeah, okay. So you remember when they were pushing Measure 110 and I was bugging you and we all- Okay, sorry. When you were pushing what here, I had to cough. I'm still having some allergy problem. Measure 110 was first being pushed on people. You know, the, what do you call it?

Taking away the, making it okay to get used drugs to a certain degree. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Decriminalizing the street drugs and then the explosion of street folks and everything. It's just fascinating. And remember I bugged you and bugged you and so we all ended up going down to the Plaza

and demonstrating against it, right? Okay, and we were right. Yes we were. And so, okay. So, anyways, what, what, why have we stopped doing stuff like that? Why can't we go to these little, little streets of our cities and towns and, and protest against them doing, you know, tearing our streets up and making huge sidewalks and maybe even blocking it, doing a little civil disobedience and stuff. That's what they do. And they get all the attention. We don't get any because our opinion about how stupid this is, nobody talks about it. Well, I'll answer a little bit of that. They may get attention, but I can't necessarily

say that they've been effective. Have you? I've not seen effectiveness. That's the point, Bill. I know. Well, they're still getting their way though. necessarily say that they've been effective. Have you? I've not seen effectiveness. That's a point, Bill. I know. Well, they're still getting their way though. Are they? Of course they are. They're getting the streets are getting narrowed and the sidewalks are getting enlarged. No, but they've not protested in favor of that. They've not done that. No, no. I know. But they go and they get attention. So something like this, this is a civil issue, you know, a local issue. Why can't we, I think it's a, the response to this would be different because we're not a bunch of, you know, weirdos.

I don't know what, you know, I can't even think off the top of my head some of the stuff they protest, you know, like, you know, roosters rape chickens or something Well, yeah, well you you look at what they were doing the die-in yesterday for Trump. Yes people will die By actually kicking people off the organ health plan that never should have been on the organ health plan by law in the first place But they still get attention they get me they get press So I mean there's a lot of people in our in our area who aren't really aware of what's being done to them they oh okay you know it's not clicking and what I just don't understand why we've just become very passive about all this now we talk on we've talked here with you and we have these great conversations and everything but nobody wants to go and take a stand and get get some attention brought to it well I mean the controlling authority though is not being in the streets.

The controlling authority is talking with your city council and that's hard. Yeah, they don't want to listen. All I'm getting at is that you could probably protest all day, left or right, about the road diet sort of situation, and until you're actually in touch with your governing authority. And remember, you'd have to be paying attention to the government authority right now because the crap and garbage you're dealing with right now was done and planned three, four years ago. Sometimes, sometimes longer. And sometimes we don't even know when there's a meeting discussing this when we have the opportunity to say anything. And there is the example of what COVID did to

public meeting and public discourse. Okay. But are we going to just let's say, okay, well, that's the way it is now or? I don't know. Are we? I mean I don't think we should and I'm not going to go down there and protest by myself because everybody will just laugh at me. You know I'm just one person but I would go if you know if a bunch of us started doing this I mean I think it might help. I don't know. I'd like to hear what other people think. All right. We'll let them do that. All right? All right, Bill. Thanks. Thank you.

Yeah, this whole concept that road planning is done with online surveys and self-selected people, and then the spandex mafia changes it. Yeah, that wouldn't be corrupt or anything, right? But yeah, that's the sort of stuff that was really brought in via the COVID world, which makes you wonder about the COVID agenda being part of this and we're going to squash public participation, get people used to not doing it maybe. It could be. Hi, KMED. Good morning. Who's this? This is John. Hi, John. On the AI idea, I caught it a little bit late, but it seems like if all the AIs are taking all the information from the web, they're going to start taking the information from other AIs.

And eventually, it would be like a giant game of, what is it, gossip or telephone, where it feeds upon itself and degrades. And the actual, I think the human mind is much more capable of being creative and having thoughts where this whole society would turn into some kind of a giant jello. You could be right about that. You know, when you talk about the game of telephone, I'm sure that the creators and the people working in AI are concerned with this, almost the hallucinations, they talk about hallucinations in which some AIs start just, you know, fabricating stuff. You know, the part that is hard to trust

about AI and even what's on the online world in some respects though is that governments lie about history all the time. Would you agree with me and about what they do? Yes, I have some old books. Yes. Governments tend to lie continuously about some of the most important historical events of our life. And think about a world in which the only intelligent, if you want to talk about the artificial intelligence, is trained on official sources. So the official lies then are part of the training process. How do you think that will work long term? I think we might have that already in a sense. My idea, one of my ideas, and there's a whole catastrophe scenario that's on YouTube

and stuff like that, but my idea is that once our civilization had been destroyed, there were a handful of people that tried to keep knowledge together, and that kind of came down as myths and that sort of thing. That's sort of a giant thing. So what we get out of religions are just fragments of the knowledge of great high-tech or whatever previous... Or the great flood or the great extinction, you know, those kind of things, right? You know, that reminds me of a book you might want to look up. I interviewed the author many years ago, and he wrote a book called The Knowledge, and it was speaking to what you were just referencing right there.

I have it in my bookshelf at home. I bring it in sometime. But he talked about needing or the necessity to have a certain basis of the old knowledge, even old technology, old processes, and working up to the current day so that in the event of those kind of existential threats and, you know, how do you make metal? How do you process coal? How do you, you know, do various things to try to rebuild society? You might find that interesting. I found that a very interesting book. Really was. Okay, what was it again? The Knowledge is what it's called. The Knowledge.

The Knowledge. The Knowledge. And it was kind of a blueprint of stuff that we should be tucking away just in case. I thought it was fascinating. Really was. Right. I could talk on this for an hour. Unfortunately, I don't have an hour, but I appreciate the time you have taken. How about that? All right. Thank you. Thank you. 735. We'll be talking you with Josephine County Commissioner Chris Barnett about some issues of county concern here in just a little bit. And just a moment, I'll take a couple more calls before we get Chris on. Ready to upgrade. Josephine County Commissioner Chris Barnett rejoins the program. Chris, welcome back. Good to have you on. How have things been? Hey, good morning, Bill. Glad to be on the Bill Meyers show again. Thank you.

All right. Pleasure to have you on here to catch up on some of the stuff. I wanted to talk about Josephine County Library negotiations, because I know that you have been tasked with this. This has been the smoking pile dropped on your doorstep, I guess. Maybe I shouldn't say this, but... Three hours into my term, yeah. Okay, yeah. But when it comes right down to it, this has been a tough deal.

I know the Passport last year was saying that, hey, given Josephine County's financial situation, the library needs to pay something other than the dollar per year, which had been traditional, you know, up to that point, it's its own district, etc. And then of course critics to that will say, hey, this is a political reprisal. But needless to say you have been tasked with this. Where do we find ourselves right now? Well, it's all good Bill. Talks have started last week with Miss Kate Lansky and myself, our legal counsel and

their legal counsel. And you know, I want this resolved just as much as everybody else. I mean, we do this a year in advance. We got plenty of time still. I know that this came out in January and try to renegotiate this. We just couldn't get all the parties to the table, unfortunately, with time constraints and everybody's schedule. So I took the honor of, of asking the board if, if I can help facilitate this since everybody's schedule is just totally different nowadays.

And that's what we're trying to do. We want to make it fair for everybody. I've listened to a lot of constituents and they definitely want to see a fair outcome to all this and I think we can get there after last week's meeting I really feel that was the first cup. What is in your mind is there a number that seems fair that would be something that Josephine County and now they're going to negotiate this on the air we're not but is there a number that comes off as fair? That, I mean, a dollar is probably with a county in rough shape right now financially, a dollar is probably not going to cut

it, but then you got to realize that there's limited funds over at the library district too. Yeah, it's very complicated. So we looked, I'm looking at all other leases. So I'm trying to be as fair as possible by going Hey, what do other tenants pay some pay a lot and some pay a dollar a year, which is technically free I want to let the listeners know that a dollar is just contractual numbers. Basically they get the rent for free We have been paying utilities over there and all the repairs on the outside of the building. We do have some big ticket items that did come up in January about the roof, roughly $80,000 to $100,000, and then an HVAC system of a figure of roughly $30,000 to $40,000. So what we're trying to do is make this fair.

If we give something away for free, how do we make this a win-win for the taxpayers, the county, and for the citizens that enjoy the library? So you know, I'm a library cardholder myself. I paid into the library as well, and I do support the mission of the library. So this misconception of this being political is not it at all. That's why I kind of decided to step in and try to negotiate this a little bit better than we were trying to do with trying to get our boards together. I look forward to a positive outcome, Bill.

I can't discuss any figures or numbers or anything because we're not even there yet. However, we're doing this early, so therefore December 31st is still far away. So we should be able to wrap this up relatively quick in the next couple months. I hope so, if not sooner. But I do want everybody to know that we are listening. I am especially trying to make this a win-win for the taxpayers and the people who love the library. Commissioner, is there any interest in the Josephine County Library District to actually purchase the building rather than just renting it? And so that way they would be kind of in control of their own domain.

I know there's been talk about wanting to build another one at some point. Yeah, I kind of brought that up about that particular building. You know, we did give the land and buildings in Kib Junction to the library, the county gave it to them, they didn't charge them a dime for it. So they just signed over the land and the building in Cape Junction, they just did a great renovation on that building. I was there for the ribbon cutting last year for that and phenomenal facility in Cape Junction. They have one in Murphy Williams and they also have one in Sunny Valley Wolf Creek area and the Wolf Creek one too I looked up and we did give them the land

on that one as well. So the county's been very generous on saying hey you run the library here's the land type of thing. Okay well could you legally actually you an offer? Because as it is right now, the library district or the library building there costs Josephine County taxpayers, the actual county, it costs money because you're doing the maintenance and all the rest of it. And it might be a money saver for the county just if you sign the building over to it and then let them do with it what they wish. I don't know what the legality of that would be. Yeah correct and I think the reason why it never came up before is because that piece of real estate is pretty valuable to the county. We do have other departments and stuff like that that you know as we grow I know that it seems like we've been growing not increasing but we were trying to get a handle on that.

But there are some facilities that are being sold. You know, our demo campus with the old hospital was, we had planning, we had public health. Those are two facilities that are going to have to be rehomed if that piece of real estate sells, which is currently on the market and has been. County just lowered the price on that to try to get some more activity on it. But we're paying interest on the demolition cost monthly on that. It's costing the county already money just to have that piece of real estate up there with the demolition costs of the old hospital. All right. Now, when it comes to

possibly getting a new library lease, would this be a multiple year? Do we know at this point? Were you even talking about terms right now? Well, we did. We talked a little bit about that because the future of the library, Josephine Community Library, they want to build a brand new facility. They have secured a piece of property in between 6th and 7th Street downtown, big old city

block basically, a building already. I guess the foundation had bought that, and the library's gonna build the library in that location. And renovate or do whatever. They're gonna have to demo it, from what I understand. But that is in 2027, so they had a couple years to start ground on that. When it'll be finished, I don't know,

but the thing that they still need to raise like $26 million is what I understand. Even in Joe County, that's real money. Okay. That's real money. And I love the concept and idea. And this last year did a presentation, great presentation, city council, and it's out on YouTube and stuff.

You can watch it, but she did a great presentation on where the library wants to go. You know it is a big figure so how much money of 26 million you can raise in a couple years I don't know but the plan is to break ground in 2027 per the library so I'm hoping that they can attain their goal and they won't have to be in the location at 200 Northwest C Street right now and that'll free up that building for other county uses. But right now, we're trying to make it a win-win until things get solidified to try to have them home and have a service for the taxpayers, Josephine County. And they have three revenue sources.

They have donations. They're a nonprofit. Membership, so you can buy a membership for a year. I have donations. They're a nonprofit. Membership, so you can buy a membership for a year, I believe it's $60 a year. And also they are subsidized by taxation and tax districts. So they have kind of three income revenues, which makes them a unique corporation. All right.

Commissioner Chris Barnett, Josephine County. Chris, what about the efforts of Pelfrees and others to withdraw? Has that come to a final resolution now that this is over, that no one's going to be able to withdraw? Or is that still an open legal question? It's still open. We had a meeting last week about that.

And I think there's some risks on both sides if they want to push this. There's always a threat of suing each other and this and that and nobody wants that, okay? Everybody wants a win-win. But I think that there is some legal ramifications if one goes one way versus the other. And I don't know that. I'm not the legal person to explain all that. But at our meetings, we've been talking about

that, how people do opt in, they opt into the library district, we have passed those opt-ins quite a bit, but the opt-out, this is the first one that's came forward, so they're trying to do exactly what they're being advised. All right. Commissioner Ron Smith was trying to get Josephine County to go back into the ONC, the ONC lobbying group there. And apparently you and Andreas did not wish to do that. Want to talk about any reasoning there? I could see the appeal of what Commissioner Smith was trying to do. I know you can't speak for him, but obviously there must have been some conversation.

I know there's always talk about getting back in the woods, right? You know, that's what we always hear. I don't know how realistic it is, but any thoughts on that? Yeah, the realistic part is where I'm concerned. I mean, we don't get to talk to each other directly about these issues that we're deciding on. So I just didn't feel comfortable moving forward at this time with a membership of almost $70,000 for a year of maybe, of maybe we'll get somewhere with it or versus not. I guess the previous board, they voted no on it and there was justified reasons. If you talk to Herman Birchheger on that and Commissioner John West on that, they are, they're foresters. They work the forest. So if you talk to them, they could probably

give you a better idea of why they pulled out of it and didn't renew their subscription. The Association of ONC Counties is what we were talking about there. All right. The morale coins. I've been reading a little bit of online drama and there have been some real challenges there in Josephine County within the group there. How many people have accepted the buyouts by the way so far? I don't have that figure. That'd be an HR question for that. Oh okay. Alright. I just I didn't know if they would report to you like okay a lot of people have decided. But needless to say.

Yeah, no, it was a very relatively low amount. I think it was 17 that I last recalled that took up on that offer. Remember, we're roughly 450 employees. So that's a small number and a big picture. But back to the morale coins. Yeah, boy, I'll tell you, you're trying to boost morale in Josephine County and people don't like good people doing good things and it's unfortunate because morale coins is a tradition. Okay, well what is a morale coin? I have never heard of a morale coin until I saw people that

were, you know, grousing about this. So if you could explain, A, how much they cost, B, what was the purpose, and well I know what the purpose is to boost morale but you know. Yeah just like everything else I mean the city has their own ways of doing their things, the state have their own ways of doing things, military departments, any large agency in that you go to, they purchase these morale coins, they're called challenge coins also as well. I've heard. And they're used to boost team morale, camaraderie, and recognize accomplishments. And the thing that it also does is build bonds,

it gives recognition, a token of appreciation. And you do these at events. So since getting these coins, you know, I have to tell you what, it's been the greatest thing to have for a few bucks a coin, roughly, I don't have that exact figure, they are distributed at things that you can fit. So as a county commissioner, we're out in the field. I know I am out in the field a lot.

And one thing that I do is we do a lot of recognition. We go to a lot of ceremonies. And we appreciate citizens in Josephine County. So not only are they used within our corporation, if you will, Josephine County employees and our leaders that do great work, we also recognize those in the community of Josephine County that do great things. And you'll be seeing more of that. Every time I post a positive, there's always this group of negatives. And the negatives keep on pounding on the door. And unfortunately, it's sad because most of the people come up to me and go, keep on doing what you're doing, Chris. You're doing great things. Keep on doing it. We

love that you're out and about. So I love that feeling. I made a promise to the taxpayers if they elected me in, I'd be out in events. I'm not going to be a secret sitting behind my desk in the courthouse every single day. Yeah, I mean I get this, but this strikes me as kind of like, all right, here's a gold star for you, you know, kind of thing. It's like, what are you all, 12 year olds? I mean, I could see some of the, you know, reasoning just another expense on a county that's having great difficulty keeping the lights on.

Well, these things are relatively cost-effective, okay? These are relatively cheap in the big picture of things that we sign off on every single day. If you see the big picket items, and I have to scratch my head going, why are we buying this? Well, it's an essential piece of equipment. Okay. Um, I, I am just telling you an example. This, we have a thing that we need to build up in our County and that's positivity over negativity. I'm going to do that. And, uh, the other commissioners have

their own way of that. They want to do things to these coins were bought for everybody. So commissioner Smith has them, uh, from what I understand, he has them locked up in his office that he has coins in there. I just checked yesterday on that. Andreas was an appointed commissioner, so I don't know. He has access to these coins as well to give out as he deems fit. And I got some as well. So they're for everybody in the office to hand out when they deem fit to recognize those people in front of other people and I think that's very important. My military tradition of history shows that we do that at a lot of events and it's not just

that. All agencies. The reason why this came about was Umatilla County Commissioner and also the AOR Association of Counties President John Schaeffer gave gave me one. And I looked at it and I'm like, how do these work for the County of Umatilla? He says they're great, Chris. He goes, you know, we use these things to boost morale. These are good things of recognition. To let people know...

I mean, are you serious that someone that finds themselves in issues with county employment, like all of a sudden they're doing three jobs where they were doing two before, maybe one, you give them a morale coin and that helps? Really? Yeah, it does. If you're in, you've never gotten one in your life, I take it. But I...

No, apparently not. But no. I know. Well, next time I see it, I'll show you. But these are, if you look it up, just Google it. I told people, I had to tell the courier yesterday, Google it. Morale coins, it's a perfect legal definition of what they're used for. And these coins are very good morale boosters in any organization.

And there are, we do pieces of paper, certificate of appreciation and stuff like that. We're trying to raise the bar. And that was one thing I made a promise to the taxpayers. I'd raise the bar. Okay. Speaking of taxpayers, what impact are we looking at here financially with a lot of the grant stream funding coming through federal government under stress? Let's put it this way. A lot

of times, you know, checks get written from Washington, DC to Salem. Salem writes hot checks to Josephine County. I know what about a third of the state budget is already well, has been federal passed through funding for a while. How's that affecting Joe County? Well, we're going to find out this Friday. We start our meeting, our Budget Committee meeting on Friday. We also have long meetings next week on Tuesday. And we are going into the budget. So since this is my first time, go around doing this. I'm learning as I go as well.

We have a great department head for finance, which is Ruth. And she is outstanding. And I have to tell you, she just yesterday said, Hey, are we are we looking good? And she goes, everything seems to be lining up, we'll go into the budget meetings. And that'll be the outcome later on to find out where we really stand. There is the unknown factor, as you know, Bill, things change all the time. And we don't understand when money gets dried up at the top, the state level, the federal level. All we're trying to do is propose and that's what you do with a budget. You propose what you're

going to do to have efficient operations to supply services for the public and that's what we're trying to do and manage that efficiently. All right, Commissioner Chris Barnett, we appreciate your time. Could you hang on just a moment? I want to get things rescheduled here in just a moment. Absolutely. We'll have you back. Thank you Bill for having me on the show. Thank you. It's a couple minutes after 8 KMED KMED HD1 Eagle Point Medford KBXG Grants Pass.

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