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The Bill Myers Show podcast is sponsored by Clauser Drilling. They've been leading the way in southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Clauser Drilling dot com. Thirteen after eight. And joining me right now is Thomas J. DiLorenzo. He's the president of the Mises Institute. It's a wonderful, in my opinion, nonprofit group, promotes teaching and research in the Austrian School of Economics, individual freedom,

honest history, international peace, and also author of Hamilton's Curse, How Jefferson's Arch Enemy Betrayed the American Revolution, What It Means for Americans Today. Hey, tell me more about that book here. Now, when it comes to the enemies, you wouldn't be speaking of the Federal Reserve, would you, Thomas? Welcome to the show. Thomas Well, yeah, that's one of them. Hamilton was sort of the founding father of central banking. One of the first central banks we had was called the Bank of the United States, and

that was Hamilton's baby. He convinced George Washington to go along with that. He was given a 20-year charter, and it created boom and bust cycles, price inflation, high unemployment, and it corrupted politics. And so Congress did not renew the charter and it was abolished. And so I think, you know, the left has discovered recently that Hamilton was really the founding father of big government in America, which I think is why they have this corny play about him on Broadway.

In the academic world where I live, there are a lot of books praising him to the treetops and demonizing his nemesis, Thomas Jefferson. Well, all you ever hear about Thomas Jefferson is Sally Hemmings. That's generally all you hear. In fact, when I went to Monticello a number of years ago, it was fascinating how difficult it was to get the tour guide to focus on accomplishments and just slave, slave, slave. It seems like it's actually... there is a lot of revisionist history, I think, going on right now in the National Park Service, no doubt. Oh yeah, everywhere. The Gettysburg National Park, the same thing. My first visit to Monticello was when I was a college student in the 70s and then I

took some friends there about five or six years ago. They were on the East Coast, they're from Seattle, and I took them to Monticello and it was the exact same thing. It was all about slaves and he learned nothing about Thomas Jefferson by going on the tour anymore. Yeah, one of the most fascinating individuals that ever lived. Of course, flawed as we all are because, hey, we're humans. All of us have our issues and our blind spots and whatever. Hey, when it comes to Austrian economics though, do you think that what we're experiencing in the United States right now is indicative of

what Austrian economics has warned us about for a number of years when it comes to the debt, the elastic currency, the financialization of the economy? Any thoughts on that from your POV? Well, yeah, it's all based on the existence of the central bank. One of the things that separates the Austrian School of Economics from other schools of thought, including the Chicago School, which is similar, it's very free market oriented, is the focus on the central bank. And it's the source of all the things we complain about, debt and too much government spending and all that because when the Fed prints money, it's basically legalized counterfeiting and it floods the economy with currency. And it makes people think that they can get something

for nothing from the government. If the government were to say, we're going to give another $100 billion to the Ukrainian oligarchs, but this time we're going to send every working family a tax bill for $30,000, I think you'd see a lot fewer Ukrainian bumper stickers in your town. And we would have those things. But the Fed allows the government to disguise that and everything else it does. So it's a really amazing privilege, power, whatever you call it. How would you judge the American dollar right now on the world stage? I know people always say here, Thomas, that, hey, don't pay attention to the stock market, look at the bond markets.

And it would appear that it's starting to get a little shakier and we could be looking at stagflation. Do you want to even take a stab at what you believe? Well, you know, there's a lot of ifs there, you know, if the Chinese start dumping bonds on us and the interest rates go up. Well, the UK is now the number one purchaser or owner of our debt right now. Used to be China, but they've ended up, you know, selling off some of that.

So there's a little bit of that going on, I think, but this is probably in reaction to trade, to the trade wars, I guess. Yeah, yeah, it could be. I'm not a fortune teller, but the dollar is, you know, worth something like a penny compared to what it was worth when the Fed was created in the year 1913. So the Fed has totally failed to do what it says it's going to do and control inflation.

And also, there's a lot of academic research that shows that the US economy has been much more unstable since the Fed was created than it was in, say, the 50 years before we had the Fed. And then so, you know, nothing is perfect. We had bank runs and bankruptcies and so forth in the 19th century, but not as bad, not as severe as after the Fed was created. I think that one of the most interesting bits of propaganda that has been sold to the American people is that 2% inflation every year is a good, is a good thing for the people.

And then most of us are going, oh yeah, we're sitting around waiting for whoever's running the Fed at this point to come forward and say, yes, we're still above our target of 2% of good inflation, and so we're going to have to keep interest rates high, that sort of thing. I think it's been amazing propaganda played on us, don't you? Yeah, basically it says that every American has to have at least a 2% pay cut every year because it reduces the purchasing power of your income. And it's always more than 2%. I never believe the government when

they say it's only 1.5%. Yeah, and they always say that whatever the inflation rate is from the government, it's probably low, right? That would be naturally the way government would want that. Yeah, and it's also a reg know, it's a regressive, implicit tax because, you know, lower income people are harmed more by inflation than wealthier people are. And so, and also this business of trying to push interest rates down as close to zero as possible, well, that's sort of an economic war on retired people. Oh, it's a war on savers, too. Anybody that wants to try to save some money without speculating in the stock market. And especially retired people who are sort of forced to take on more risk in the stock market if they

want any kind of decent return on their money. I mean, retirement, most people don't want to take that risk when they're in retirement because you're going to lose a lot. And that's the situation that the Fed puts everybody in. President Trump's tariff war. It's kind of on, it's kind of off. I'm not exactly sure where it is right now. I guess now we're talking about putting tariffs on the European Union. Have you noticed any effect on this so far,

you know, from your economist's point of view on this one? Well, I think, you know, Dave Ramsey, the financial advisor, made a good point a couple days ago that this creates so much uncertainty. And one thing businesses don't like is uncertainty. You know, you tell me what the tax is going to be and then I can make my plans for next year. But there's all this uncertainty. Nobody knows what the tariff rates will be. And so President Trump has put us all into a sort of tariff rate limbo, and it makes it harder for...when businesses find it hard to plan like that, they don't plan. They hold back and wait.

And that's not good for the economy, you know. And so that's a good point that Dave Ramsey made. And you know, the European Union did offer President Trump, they made the offer and they said, we'll go to zero tariffs if you go to zero tariffs. And he never, as far as I know, he never responded to that because he doesn't want zero tariffs. And when he talks about a 10% minimum of the average tariff rate, well, that's about a quadrupling of what it was just last year. So that's a big tax increase.

Yeah. Weren't we in the neighborhood of two, three percent in general tariffs in many cases? Yeah. It was like two and a half percent just last year was the average tariff rate. And President Trump wants to quadruple that. And so that's higher taxes, you know, on basically like sales tax on just about all these items that will be,, the tax will be imposed. And it's odd that President Trump has been out there bragging about how much

more government, the money, the money the government will take in with his new tariffs. And then he's even being criticized by Elon Trump, Elon Musk about this, because Musk thought, well, I thought we were supposed to cut back on government and here's the president bragging about how much more money he's going to give the bureaucrats to spend on our behalf. Yeah, that is an interesting, like, you know, we're sold one thing. Well, I'm thinking even with the big, beautiful bill. What's your thought on that one? Yeah, well, it's big and beautiful for the defense contracting industry because there's another, yet another explosion in military spending and enlargement of the debt even

more. And so, you know, as long as we refuse to shut down some of those 700 or so military installations we have all around the planet, we'll never make progress on the debt. Scott Cunningham And that's something, Thomas, my listeners were writing to me yesterday because we had our area congressman, Congressman Cliff Benson, yesterday, and we were talking about this and the challenge how there seems to be no plan. And when I say no plan, I mean no plan to actually ever pay this off or to actually reduce adding on to it. It almost seems to be on an autopilot sort of thing. My listeners write me

and say, well, there's only one way that you can trim the deficit is that you have to actually, I mean truly cut the spending. Why is that so hard, you think? Well, it's not just cutting the spending, it's also growing the economy. When we grow the economy, tax revenues go up. That's important, too. But yeah, well, cutting spending, you know, it's the old ancient wisdom that basically what government does is they give money to relatively concentrated groups of politically active special interests and then spread the cost widely among the entire population.

And you multiply that by a gazillion government programs that do the exact same thing. And it's one big vote buying machine is what Washington is. And I tell people Washington, DC is one big crime scene. They're stealing money from the taxpayers for no other reason than by votes from all the various special interests. And that's just the nature of democracy, which is why the founding fathers, James Madison in particular, said that the Constitution, the whole purpose of the Constitution was to restrain what Madison called the violence of faction, and that was the early American language for a special interest politics. Yes, so unfortunately, it hasn't worked, has it, so far?

No, it hasn't worked out that way, that's for sure. And you know, at the beginning of the American Republic, the New Englanders were the first to attempt to secede. They actually held a secession convention in Hartford, Connecticut, because they thought that the government was not going the way they wanted it to go. Oh, but I was told that secession was only done for people who supported slavery.

All I have to do is, all I have to do is... No, that was, that was the New Englanders. I'm just having fun with you. The New Englanders, the New Englander to do federalists for the very first they actually have held something called the Hartford Convention of 1918 14 they ultimately voted no they would stay back in the Union but back and then everybody understood that the American Union was voluntary and each state had a right to join or not join. When do you think it turned into the mafia where if you try to leave the mafia, we'll

kill you, we'll have you killed? Well, that's basically Abraham Lincoln's theory of the American Union, isn't it? And yet I'm amazed that there seems to be very little truth told about Lincoln's real reign, unlike with you with the real Lincoln book, which is just amazing, of course. And you have helped me recover from my government school education. But here is the problem with the government school education, Thomas. You know this well. It's told by the victors.

It's written by the court historians. Isn't that really where we find ourselves right now? Oh, sure. What would you expect from the government? At the beginning of my career, I was invited to give a talk to a group of public school teachers about economics. Oh boy, that must have been fun. And they told me, oh this is all great stuff, but we would never be allowed to teach that in our school. And so yeah, I thought about the glories of

big governments and the evils of the civil society and the free enterprise system for the most part. And when they thought about socialism, they never thought about real socialism in the schools. They thought the utopian, never-never land version of socialism as opposed to the reality of it, which is an economic poison wherever it has been practiced in the world. Do you think that in our lifetimes here or maybe our children's lifetime that we will finally see a separation of

school from government, separation of school and state? Well we are seeing a lot of it with homeschooling and I have friends in Florida who are very well off financially and they're starting a whole chain of private schools. And I have another friend in North Carolina doing the same thing. He's a successful businessman, and he took this project on to create some private schools in his state. And thank God for people like that, that they're helping parents have an alternative to the government schools. And the universities, of course, for a long time have been basically socialist indoctrination

academies. Anybody with a brain understands that. I noticed that the other week, the Supreme Court ended up turning down or stopping any kind of a charter school with a religious base as part of this. Do you think in some ways that actually is going to protect charter schools and protect maybe religious institutions? Because I think as long as you're taking government money you're going to be made dirty by it at some point. Am I wrong about that? Oh yeah. I know some private Christian school headmasters who are dead set opposed to vouchers. Most conservatives like the idea of vouchers. But they're opposed to it because they know that

he who takes the king's shilling becomes the king's man, and they'll have to follow the dictates of the government. And the government usually, you know, they claim there's a wall of separation between church and state, which there isn't in the Constitution. And the Supreme Court itself, don't they have a big picture of Moses and the Ten Commandments, and where they hold their court. Well, you have to understand though, those are the ten suggestions, not commandments. Yeah, right. Having fun again. Thomas J. DiLorenzo, President of the Mises Institute. M-I-S-E-S dot O-R-G. You know, we haven't even gotten to the main story that I wanted to ask you about,

so I always enjoy kind of noodling around with you on various constitutional issues. And this has to do with Jeff, about the public radio, public television, suing the Trump administration because they're making a First Amendment claim, which I think is absolutely astounding, fascinating, that to not pay national public radio is the equivalent of violating the First Amendment. What do you think about this one? Yeah, well, I'm the president of a nonprofit organization, the Mesa Institute, and we criticize the government day in and day out, and we have perfectly free speech,

and we've never accepted one penny of government money ever in 43 years. And so that's a ridiculous argument that, you know, if Americans think that they need more left-wing propaganda, they don't get enough from Hollywood and the universities and Google and Facebook and all the television networks, well, NPR and PBS should have a very easy time in attracting investors and advertising revenue. They don't need government to do this. And by the way, the existence of NPR and PBS is unconstitutional. There's nothing in the Constitution and the delegated powers to the federal government

in Article 1, Section 8 that allows for a government-funded propaganda apparatus, which is what they have always been. And so, anyway, there is a document that does advocate this. It's the Communist Manifesto. It has 10 planks. And plank number six says, centralization of the means of communication in the hands of the means of communication in the hands of the state. And that's what NPR and PBS have been doing since 1957, along with the Federal Communications Commission, for that matter. And so the more government involvement we have in media and communication,

the more centralization there will be. And so that's something that should be, you know, it's reminiscent of the Soviet Union, the Pravda, and government propaganda organs, not a free society, which we're supposed to be. Thomas, the free society issue is sort of downplayed here out of any of the official organs, I guess. What I am kind of curious about here is where do you see the hope for a more truly freedom oriented society because it's almost like these days we're choosing between different flavors of authoritarianism. Would that be a fair assessment of where we find ourselves these days?

Sure. Well, what earlier Americans did is they began nullifying things that they decided were not constitutional. But you know, the Civil War was a breaking point where all of a sudden, five government lawyers with lifetime tenure were appointed to tell all of us what our freedoms were to be, that is the majority of the Supreme Court. But before that, it was assumed by everybody that the president had an equal say, the Congress had an equal say, and the people of the states had an equal say on what is and is not constitutional. That's why a lot of states nullified federal laws that they thought weren't constitutional.

Jefferson himself offered something called the Kentucky Resolve of 1798, which when, you know, President John Adams and his administration put through the Sedition Act, basically made free speech illegal in the United States because they were bothered that people were criticizing John Adams. And by the way, both American political parties, both factions if you want to call it that, is what you were talking about here. Both factions really do wish to squelch via legislative acts the speech of the other side. Would that be fair where we are right now?

Well yeah, I used to teach a course in my academic career called law and economics. And I just tell my students that the Democrats all of a sudden become constitutionalists when the Republicans are in power and they want to use the Constitution to stop what they're doing. And then the Republicans do the same thing. They all of a sudden become constitutionalists when the Democrats are in power. But neither party really believes in the Constitution. Otherwise, how could we have gotten to where we are? Our two-party system with just about everything the government does is unconstitutional. And so, if they supported the Constitution,

that would never have happened. Scott Cunningham Would insolvency sharpen our minds or just bring on more of a dictatorship in your opinion? Oh yeah, you talk to some of the older Eastern Europeans about how quickly their entire society can be destroyed economically. And I'm not saying that our society is in the same ship. You know, we've got a tremendous capitalist infrastructure still. And there's still a tremendous capitalistic, I don't know if you want to call it ethos or soul to America still. It's kind of beaten down in some ways.

Yes, and it's different everywhere. There's already sort of what some people call soft secession, where people from these socialist hellholes like New York City and the state of Illinois and California, they're all moving in the direction of more freedom in Texas and Florida, South Carolina, places like that. And even in the old days, with communist China, even the communist Chinese couldn't control everything 2,000 miles away from Peking. And the farther you got away from there, the more freedom you had, even in communist China, because even they didn't have enough bureaucrats to police everybody.

Thomas, what about artificial intelligence and the potential for good and in fact we even have AI for good conferences kicking off here in southern Oregon the next couple of days here and also AI ultimately being the great encircular if you want to call it that or you know government history is what educates artificial intelligence. Big tech bros, of course, have made no doubt about wanting to enforce, ultimately, a technocracy here. Do you have any concerns about artificial intelligence, the rise of this? And also, the push to not want to put any fingers on it for 10 years in the big, beautiful bill? Yeah, well, you know, I was a university professor for 40 years, a university economics professor. And so the whole idea of doing math by hand was replaced by doing math

by computer or by phone. And so the people in school did not really, you know, the masses anyway, did not really get to be as good in math as earlier generations because of that, in my opinion. And artificial intelligence was, well, that's like an oxymoron, isn't it? Is it real intelligence or isn't it? And so, you know, it's a replacement of using your own brain power. And there's a big kind of a crisis in the higher education now that it's so easy for students to use artificial intelligence to get a term paper written for them, that there are programs that, friends of mine who are still teaching, have programs that help them detect an actual

paper written by a student and an artificial intelligence paper. And so even that, it's students will be lazy, they won't go to the library, they won't read books, they won't learn to think, they'll learn how to search the AI online to get their schoolwork done. And so it'll dumb down the population. And who knows, maybe the people who are advocates of this think that that would be a good thing. It would be easier to manipulate people. That's what I was wondering too and I'm looking at the the downside of it and I can also look at the other side of it. Hey I can feed it some information and it does a

really interesting analysis on things that might take me a long, long time to do, but I start wondering, you know, long term, when we already have difficulty having an educated populace, what artificial intelligence might bring us? Unless, you know, unless we find a way to... I don't know who reigns it in though. I know the government says the states can't reign it in, and the federal government's going to be the only one that has any fingers on it. Would you trust the federal government's judgment on this one, Thomas? I don't know. No one should trust the federal government for anything. They lied to us all day long about just about everything.

Their lips are moving, they're lying. And when we use lies to educate AI, where could it go? I don't know. This is going to be a very interesting next few years, you have to admit, no doubt. Yeah, I think so. All right. We'll stay tuned.

All right, Thomas, I appreciate your writings and also everything that you have done. Thomas J. DiLorenzo, president of the Mises Institute. Final question I have for you. I'll put all your information up as usual. Is there any country that actually works under Austrian economics at this point or is it still just a theory that we talk about how it could be better? Well, it's always a matter of degree of economic freedom.

There's the Heritage Foundation in DC for years and years that has something called the Index of Economic Freedom where they rank every country in the world in terms of how much freedom of entrepreneurship, freedom from taxation, freedom from regulation you have. So it's all a matter of degree. And the ones that are more free are more in sync with the Austrian school model of how markets work and governments don't. And so that's the way I would think about it. It's always relative. Who's our freest right now? Our freest economy? I haven't looked at their report in quite a while, but we used to be up there in the top three or

five, but I think we're down there like 20 or 30 now, as far as that. But there's probably some small, smaller countries like Liechtenstein. It would be up near the top. I know a lot of the Arab countries are way down at the bottom in terms of economic freedom. But I read recently that in Poland, former communist Poland, per capita GDP is about to become bigger than per capita GDP in Japan. Really? Yeah, so the polls have made a great turnaround in the past 30 years or so. And I would imagine a lot of it was being friendlier to letting people do their thing in markets.

That's right. That's right. Limited government, limited taxation, limited regulation, and a relatively high degree of economic freedom is the key to that. President of the Mises Institute. Yeah, and there is a Mises Institute in Poland. Yeah, they must be listening to it. One of our former students.

They must be listening. Thomas J. DiLorenzo, President of the Mises Institute. I appreciate you taking your time and also kind of wandering all over my economic and constitutional reservation. Okay. Thank you so much this morning. Okay. Thanks for having me. Have a great day.

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Welcome. Is this me? It is, welcome. Just wanted to let you know that I sent you the entire transcript of Money Master's video, the quotes of all of the founders all the way up to current about just what the Mises fellow was talking about. And you might want to just look at those quotes

and perhaps use them as a bumper. Various quotes, could you think of a few that come to mind? Just curious. It's called, well, I could stop and read them to you, but you've got the whole email. It's all the quotes. I don't really need to talk about it. Take a look. Okay. What's your name, by the way? Thank you. What's your name? Gino.

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Yeah, corrupting the money, corrupting the store of value. The founders gave us a commodity-based money system. And when you look in the newspaper, you look in the Financial Times and Barron's, whatever, on one side you've got the commodities, gold, silver, gasoline, pork bellies, orange. On the other side you got the currencies. And you'll notice that all the commodities flow with each other up and down as they scale. And what you notice is that the more money they print up, the less each note is worth. And those quotes that I've just sent you

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was going on, I happened to surf onto the public radio station and the president, the top dog of the whole corporation, was talking about how he was not going to report, they were not going to report on the Hunter Biden story, because it might affect the election. And without realizing, I suppose, that by not reporting it, that was affecting the election too.

Affecting the election too, yeah. But remember, that was Russian disinformation, remember? Yeah, well, that's what they say. Everybody knows they knew that their computer was his, and all the stuff that was on it was his, and they were just hiding. I'll be interested to see how artificial intelligence treats certain historical events such as what you had just mentioned, the Hunter Biden laptop, and then maybe January 6th, what happened, questions about election integrity in 2020.

What would be interesting to see how that goes? You know, it would be more accurate to call it artificial intelligence. I mean not artificial but imitation intelligence. I know that there are some amazing scientific research that gets done with AI that is very, very helpful, especially when you're talking about some data really dependent deep data dives and not going into matters of opinion I guess so that could that can see that being very useful appreciate the call there Jerry thanks for it 7705633 let's do some emails of the day emails of the day are sponsored by dr. Steve Nelson in Central Point Family Dentistry next to the Mazelon Mexican restaurant in Central Point being a patient at CPFD

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but passed away a few months before at the age of 97. And thanks for mentioning a great American. Thank you so much. We had someone who wrote me wants to remain anonymous says, Bill, listening to Wild Salmon Steve yesterday morning about his wife and the challenge with the medical system. I surely can relate. That's the one in which Steve was talking about how the insulin pump monitored his wife's blood sugar and helped better than the nurses because the nurses would only come in every four hours and do the finger sticks, you know, that sort of thing. But they refused to monitor the pump,

I guess. But anyway, I haven't been asked about a COVID jab, but I do wonder if they slipped me one when they had me asleep during my recent surgery. They don't seem to listen to what you have to say and continue on with their one-size-fits-all medical care. I'm finding it harder and harder to trust the medical witch doctors." Bob Chan says, Bill, I am all in for AI, especially if it makes my avatar sound smarter and look better. It cracks me up. Bob, I always appreciate that. Butch writes me this morning says, Bill, I supported Alex Skarlatos and Noah Robinson when NoDOT screwed me over with registering the wrong vehicle. I

wrote to them both. Never heard from Alex, but I got several messages from Noah Robinson. He does a fine job. Butch, I'm glad to hear about that report. Richard, on the Social Security number, Bill, please press bents on why they're not taking or on why not taxing Social Security is not in that big beautiful bill. I'm sure they just can't operate the country without the seniors income, although it was double taxation. I agree with the double taxation of it, Richard. The reason why they could only put an exemption in there is that the reconciliation process that allows 51 votes in the Senate, this sort of thing, had to do with current mandatory spending.

You couldn't do something completely new with the law. That's the way it was explained to me. Okay, I appreciate you writing about that. And let me see, Bonnie talking about Larry Ellison and saying, Bill, if I had to choose between Elon Musk or Larry Ellison, I would take Elon without question or hesitation. I used to work with a couple of people who worked for Tech Bro Ellison at Oracle. He was, is a raging egomaniacal jerk. Very hateful person. Typical lefty, alright. Then there comes the conversation this morning with Commissioner Chris Barnett on the challenge or the morality, not morality, well morale coins, morale coins. And Bob ends. And Bob ends up weighing in on these tax-funded tokens here.

Dan says, forget morale coins. I won a participation trophy for being a taxpayer in Oregon for 30 years. Dan, I'm going to give you a real American salute. Mark then says, morale coin. Government's way of pissing on your back and telling you that it's a warm, gentle rain. Yeah, I don't think there's a lot of fandom coming outside of the government, but still that's where they go. By the way, my email, billatbilmeyershow.com. Grab another call here.

Hi, good morning. Who's this? Welcome. Good morning, brother from another mother oh how you doing Brad how's my brother from a slin other Slovenian mother go ahead yeah you know great we were reflecting a little bit on those heroes that we've lost we just lost one a day or two ago I don't know if you know who Phil Robertson was. Oh yeah from... The guy with the duck call. Yeah yeah, Duck Dynasty. Yeah he had a real battle the final few years with Alzheimer's.

I know. Yeah, he just passed. But the guy, boy, what a turnaround. And just somebody that was worth listening to if he had something to say. We don't get a lot of them. And you want to talk about... I remember when I first started watching Duck Dynasty, I'm wondering what is this whole Duck Dynasty about? And you realized that there was a deeper truth on top of that, well, that bearded presence, right? Yeah, he not only was smart, he had so many talents

that he could have brought to the market. He was a college guy and could have gone pro football and decided to go into, well that point his life he opened up a tavern and he had that for a number of years then he got turned around and somebody introduced him to God and then he turned his life completely around but the positive impact that dude had he traveled all over and he just, he had a common man's ability to communicate, but the power of his speech and the message was amazing. I appreciate the call. We don't get many of those.

No, it's not. And he was, you know, quite the character too for that matter. Very entertaining. Absolutely, buddy. You be well and thanks so much for your listenership there. Good positive way to wrap that up. My email will be billatbillemiershow.com. Tomorrow it's going to be Conspiracy Theory Thursday. Conspiracy Theory Thursday, and I'm hoping to talk with Charles Hugh Smith, the mythology of progress.

What is progress?