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Episode Date: May 30, 2025

Brad Bennington joins me with a talk on the latest bill passed in Salem, real attack on builders and contractors.Open phones, yeah, a little grumpy with the lack of Republican fight.

The Bill Myers Show podcast is sponsored by Clouser Drilling. They've been leading the way in southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Clouser Drilling.com. 14 after eight, Brad Bennington joins me. Brad, of course, a former formerly of the Builders Association of Southern Oregon. Brad, welcome back. And I appreciate you bringing your expertise on because you've forgotten more about contracting and building than I'll ever know.

Good to hear from you. How you been? Yeah, yeah, Bill. Boy, I'll tell you. Yeah, we got us a road to you in this legislative session, I'll tell you. Yeah, it has been, and once again I will continue to say, Republicans, you have one tool. You're not going to make them like you. They don't like you. They hate you. your only tool is to stop the legislature from working until they say, okay we won't do the stupidest. Is that a word? Or the most stupid. We will refrain from doing the most stupid bills, but I digress. Let's just go in here. There is something that came out

that was passed the other day, which the more I read about it, I'm just astounded about this. This is Senate Bill 426. What does it do and where is it going to be taking us now? Where have the world improvers that love us so dearly, what are they doing next here to help make it even more affordable to hire construction crews and build homes and businesses and other buildings? What do you think? Yeah, Bill, so 426 is the opposite of making construction more affordable. What it does is it creates a brand new, never seen before in the state of Oregon.

I don't think it's ever seen before in any state anywhere where the homeowner is liable for any unpaid wage claims from the employees of any of the subcontractors that worked on their home. So in other words, most of the time, if you're gonna hire work done, you come to an agreement with the contractors, how much money it's going to cost you, how are you going to pay it.

You pay the contractor and then the law makes the contractor liable for making sure that everyone that he's responsible for downstream gets paid. And that, you could understand that, you know, that you want people to get paid. And if I understand correctly, don't contractors also have to have a bond, you know, that you want people to get paid. And if I understand correctly, don't contractors also have to have a bond, you know, in order to have their license that would also take care of issues like that? Or am I wrong? Yeah, well, there are many requirements, many requirements, not least of which is that we have this thing in Oregon called the Bureau of Labor Industry and the Bureau of Labor Industry is the enforcement mechanism

for all weights claims in the state of Oregon. So we already have a statewide very well-funded organization that does exactly that. It makes sure that any work that is done inside the state of Oregon gets paid for to the worker that did it appropriately as it should be done. All right now Senate Bill 426 as you describe it then let's say that I hire ABC Construction LLC whatever right whatever some construction company because I want them to dig out that stupid broken down swimming pool that's in my backyard. I'm getting personal again. So I hire ABC deconstruction company to take care of that mess in my backyard. I pay them $10,000 because they say okay it's gonna cost $10,000 to do

this and smooth it all over and they're licensed contractors and that's fine, but then ABC doesn't pay, let's say the, you know, DEF, haul away the dirt and concrete construction company. They don't pay their workers for whatever reason. So even though I've already paid ABC, they're gonna make me pay DEF twice? Is that kind of what you're getting at here? Is that kind of what you're getting at here?

It means that even though you paid ABC the agreed-upon amount for the agreed-upon work and even though ABC paid DEF for the agreed-upon amount that they paid, if one of DEF's employees thinks that they haven't been paid properly, they can open a wage claim that goes all the way back to the owner of the property That's insanity It is because we already so DEF any of the employees that work for DEF Bob Fred Harry Sally whoever They already have a method of remedy through the Bureau Oregon Bureau of Labor Industry bully theyOLI. They already have an avenue of remedy. Now, I don't know how much time we have there,

but I wanna bring this to your attention because there's something about this bill that nobody has picked up on yet, if I'm correct. And here's what it is. It appears to me that the enforcement remedy for this bill only apply to employees that are not under representation. Hang on just a minute.

Let me translate that. That means non-union. You just rang the bell, Bill. So all of this additional falter-all that's going to go with this Senate bill only applies to non-union. So all the union guys, none of this applies to that, if I'm reading this correctly, and I think I am. But if you're non-union, now you can have all this mayhem going on in the background. And by the way, as I understand it, it doesn't even have to be that they weren't paid. All it has to be is a claim that they weren't paid properly.

So you know, even if it's, as far as I know, I don't think it has any sideboards on it. In other words, you can say, well, you know, I was working, I was working over there at Bill and Linda's house on a Saturday and I think I should have been paid overtime claim. Right? And then they come back and then they come back on us or the homeowner or the business owner, whoever it is. Now, I was under the impression that there was an exemption for for homeowners on this private homeowners, but I guess not. The exemption is for the homeowner, as I understand it, the exemption, and by the way, this thing's a brand new bill and it's gone through, I think, four revisions.

So what I'm saying is based on my last reading of the bill, which may have changed somewhat since, but here's what I think that means. The state of Oregon allows a homeowner to work in the role of the contractor on their own personal home. And that's what I think the exemption is. In other words, if you're your own contractor. All right. Correct. If you're working on your own home, if you are building or modifying your own home, your personal home as a contractor and acting in that role, then you are exempt from this bill. All right, so essentially what you're telling me, Brad Bennington, is that our Democratic political horse, I mean the state representatives and senators that are looking out for the good of the of the state, I wouldn't want to cast aspersions on them

are just paying off their union bodies that's what this is about this and this appears to be an attack there's died designed to help union buddies and hurt people who are not human union bodies well you know the unions are the most powerful influences in our legislators there are in a legislature and they have been for 40 years that I can remember. The only way though you could make sure that you couldn't be sued by some person that thought that they were paid improperly, put that in scary air quotes, is to have

a union crew, right? That's what it looks like to me what is that going to do to the cost of construction here in southern Oregon right well you know any time you buy a product or service the more legislation or the more prescription you know thou shalt do this thou shalt not do that you know the more of that sort of thing that you add on anything and it just increases the cost. There is going to be a cost to this. There's going to be more reporting requirements, there's going to be more paperwork, and the other thing, and this is what I always go back to, you know, Bill, when I started my little

contracting company back in March of 1979. My old contract number was 27240. When I started, a young guy like me that didn't have a lot of money, that I didn't even, I knew lawyers socially, but I didn't know any professionally, but all I knew is I knew how to build and people were willing to hire me

and I did work for them and it worked out pretty good for a long time. This is going to keep more otherwise qualified people out of the contracting business. It's going to make the people that are in the business, it's going to make them a lot more worried. It's going to increase their cost of doing business. Well, let me ask you this too also. Brad, you're also talking about the... Hold on Brad, just a second here before you move forward. Is this something which is going to... kind of like what's happened with the hospital world in which

everybody has to get bigger or die? Is it one of these situations where the ability for a small contractor to get started, I'm going back to your point here when you started back in the late 1970s, the ability for a small contractor to get some financing maybe and then start doing jobs is hurt or perhaps even destroyed by the risk inherent in this law and that the big construction companies get bigger. Right. That is correct. Okay, so this is about the big get bigger and then the big are going to hire more union crews in order to protect themselves from this law. Well, you know, we're just looking at the nuts and bolts side of the law. The other thing that we're going to see at some point, and I'm going to mention something

that I, Bill, that I know that you know, a lot of people know, is that when a contractor goes into business in the state of Oregon, he's required to have a bond. And the bond varies according to different things about the type of work that he does, but usually around a $20,000 bond. He's also required to have a liability policy because the state of Oregon says, okay, if you're going to do work for people, there's a chance that there could be some things that need attending to. So we decided that these are the limits, the minimum limits that we need you to have in

case something goes pay wire. When this thing starts racking up damages, mark my words, there will be people at the state of Oregon that are going to keep track of which contractors have had claims filed against them. And those contractors' future business lives will not be fun. There will be... Even if they don't deserve it, even if it turns out that these contractors did pay their employees correctly, even if the claims were not. This reminds me very much of what Herman Baerchiger would talk about, in other words, the weaponization of the ethics laws, but in a way, this would be the weaponization of the wage laws through bullying, right?

That's what it sounds like. Because it doesn't matter if you, even if you did pay and everybody got paid properly, they file the complaint, you're brought up as a bad guy. This sounds like it's all about trying to make sure that nobody wants to work with non-union crew because the non-union crew is going to be the risk, right? Where am I wrong on this one? Just kind of jumping forward here.

Well, yeah, right. Well, and what we're talking about is that the regulatory threshold to operate as a contractor in the state of Oregon just keeps going up and up and up and never down. In other words, the state of Oregon routinely adds more boxes you have to check to operate legally as a contractor that many states don't. I mean, things like this don't happen in Texas. They don't happen in North Carolina. They don't happen in South Dakota. This is the kind of crap that happens in Oregon, Washington, and California. The regulatory threshold just keeps going up, up, up, which prevents more young contractors from being able to participate in a very necessary, important, and critical industry. Right. Yeah. You look around, we only have 25% of the residential

contractors here in Southern Oregon that we had 20 years ago, Bill. That's an amazing stat there, Brad. Brad Bennington with me. Brad, I recall that the construction lobby and the builders lobby ended up turning back other regulations. I want to say it was last year, I forget what it was, but there has been some ability to do pushback. I think it was actually in the courts. Wasn't there a win? Is this something which will likely be challenged in court, you think, from what you know about the construction world? Because there's already a way to take care of wage and labor industry issues

that you have just talked about. We already have that in place. This is a bald-faced attempt to just to pay off the Democrat whores in the legislature, as far as I'm concerned. They're just acting or playing the part and paying off their political buddies. I don't have a problem with union members as a rule, but this is, it's so naked. It's so naked in its, in its, in its ability to try to screw with people that aren't part of their political ideology. Well, you know, again Bill, the thing is is, once it's been passed by the legislature and signed into law, it's really a heavy lift to do much with it.

I mean, you're talking, even if you successfully litigate it, even if you're successful, you're looking at a remedy that's probably four years down the road. So people are going to be damaged between now and then. Okay. Yeah, well, you know, if you look at all these, the many, many jobs, who's the, you know, Bill, you know the answers. Who's the guy that he's very well known, he does the dirty jobs guy, I think his name is Roe. Yeah, Mike Roe. Yeah, Mike Roe has been one of the loudest voices in the public space talking about this horrible shortage of young people, you know, people coming in in blue collar industries.

It's not just kind of a problem, it's a gigantic problem. So when you have, you already have this situation where it is so hard for young people to meet the operational threshold to get in business, and something like this comes along and just makes it that much harder, you've got to ask yourself, is this good public policy? I read an article in Willamette Week about their take on this. Even Willamette Week doesn't think this is a good idea. Yeah, Willamette Week is not exactly a friend to conservative principles. It's just not off the rails, is all I would say about their point of view. No, not exactly. I don't think

anybody that looked at this with an unbiased view acknowledging, you know, the reality of where we're at in the construction industry. So on the one hand, we got the governor, the governor, when she was first elected, she came out on her first day in office and said, housing is a priority in Oregon. I declare that we need to have a 36,000 per unit, per year threshold. We didn't even meet 25% of that because you can't,

because we don't have the human infrastructure. We don't have the, there's just no way it was gonna happen. So on the one hand, you have the governor saying, you know, housing, housing, housing, so important to me, so important to me. And then we have things like this going on. There are other parts of other bills we're not gonna talk about today,

but the bottom line on all of this bill is very simply this, the regulatory threshold, as we just discussed, keeps going up in Oregon, and the higher the regulatory threshold goes, the fewer people are going to be able to be in the business, number one. And number two, the more expensive everything is that they create. And people write me and friends that I know trying to get any kind of work done in their home or business, they talk about the incredible inability to be able to get people to go to

work for them right away or to get people to go to work for them right away or to find people to find anything that's somewhat reasonably affordable and the Democrats of course have have made this even more difficult now my question for you do you know if any Republicans voted for this monstrosity Senate bill 426 I don't know no I'm going to have to look this up on all this. Yeah, I don't, I don't know. Uh, I don't know all the Republicans in the caucus, but, but I know most of most, most of them, uh, would, can I, can I give you just a real practical example of this kind of thing and, and,

and, and where it goes just real quick? Okay. So I needed a service call on the condenser for air conditioning the other day and they came right out and the person that came out is a person that I personally know has over 20 years of experience in the industry. He's very well experienced. Turned out to be a warm day, my condenser's out in the sun and his name's Tom. And I said, well, you know, Tom, I said, you know, even though you're the business owner, I said, you know, you're technically, you're an employee and you have to observe temperature mitigation requirements by the

new OSHA law that came out two years or three years ago. And he said, what's that? I said, well, in 2022, the governor told OSHA to promulgate dust and heat rules. So he kind of remembered the dust rules, right? He got when the air quality gets to a certain point, you have to put a mask on. He kind of remembered that. But he said, what are these heat rules? Well, there's a whole schedule of heat mitigation rules that OSHA promulgated on the authority of the governor. The governor told them to do it so they did it. This is a man that's working for a business

that's been in the top tier of HVAC contractors in our area for over 20 years. He had no idea. I had to stand there and explain. He says, I never heard anything about this stuff. In other words, these are time bombs waiting to go off to kill local businesses. Exactly. Not even knowing about it. The body of regulatory compliance that contractors in Oregon have to live with

is so bloated and big and cumbersome, nobody knows all of it unless they literally hire a full-time and I know one company I'm not going to name it but there is one company they have hired a guy full-time to do nothing but read safety stuff that comes out of OSHA and make sure that their crews are in compliance. Now that might be fine if you're a droid construction right you know that kind of thing you know how big they are they can do that but you're not going to get this for smaller agencies. But yet,

the one-size-fits-all regulatory state, okay, a droid's fine. They'll be able to do out there and get every local construction or, you know, government construction contract around here. But yeah, I can see the problem that's going on here and half the other people don't even know. Yeah you see it you see the problem clearly you see it you know 100% so many other people you know they ask you know why do we have such a shortage of contractors this is why this is why we have such a shortage. Young people look at all the nonsense that they have to put up with to be in

this business and they go and you know what this isn't gonna work I'm just gonna have to get a job for somebody else or or I'm just gonna move to Idaho or Texas. Move to Idaho. You know if you go if you go over to Idaho or I have a friend that's doing a lot of work in Utah right now you go and look at the pace of construction in Idaho and Utah, it'll knock your socks off. I bet you're right about that. Here's the thing, Brad, and I'm still going to take this back though to what Kevin Starrett has talked about time and time again. The only tool that Republicans have against

this kind of stuff is to stop the legislature, and they have as a group refused to do so. So ultimately they have helped pass this bill too by being there. I know you don't you kind of stay apolitical on this kind of stuff but yeah I you know the the thing is denying quorum is it's a hard thing and it's a really hard thing to pull off. Yeah but when it's the only thing that you have to actually truly affect change, then you have to do the hard stuff. And that is what is disappointing me so much in this legislative session here between gun bills screwing the contractors, you know, and all the rest.

It's they're not helping. They're not helping right now. It's I think they're doing the best they can. I know a lot of these legislators are good. You know, even some of the Democrats, you know, I've met Julie Fahey. She's a very intelligent, public-minded gal. You know, her worldview is different than yours and mine is, but I think she's a reasonable person. The problem isn't the people in the middle. who's different than yours and mine is, but I think she's a reasonable person. The problem isn't the people in the middle.

The problem is that the ideologically motivated mass in the legislature is too far to the left. In other words, you've got 30 people in the Senate, 60 people in the House, and the ideological mass has shifted. It's just too far to the left. Somehow it's got it. Even the people on the left realize things don't work in Oregon. Portland is collapsing, Bill. Portland is literally collapsing.

The Rose City is starting to go down. Yeah, and I agree. Even Portland deserves to have a decent life, okay? I get this. But I'm going to say, everybody's saying that everyone's doing the best they can. I mean, I text messaged Noel Robinson yesterday and I said, you shouldn't be there, you know? And then he kind of semi-agreed with me later on. He said, well, it just would have been symbolic. Well, you know, sometimes the symbolic protests then start and grow into something else. And you know, this whole idea that you can't deny quorum when it's the only tool that you have, you have a duty to deny quorum and stop this kind of stuff.

You know, Bill, I'm going to mention something that's painful for me to mention this, but I'm going to mention it. We had what? 10 Republican senators kind of pay the ultimate political price two years ago and denied quorum until the last day. And they got talked into coming in. And I know the person that talked him into coming in. I'm not going to mention her on the air.

I will, Knope. It wasn't Knope that called him in. He was part of it. He was part of it. But Tim Kenope was part of it. But he was also one of the ones that paid the ultimate political price. But the 10 senators that had already signed their political death sentence by denying quorum because of that stupid initiative that got passed, they showed up the last day

to vote on a certain bill that failed by one vote. But because they came back on that last day, they had quorum on that last day, and all the bills that they paid the political price for to shut down, every single one of them got passed. So what actually happened? They paid the ultimate political price for literally nothing. That was the last time because it was stupidly negotiated. It's not what happened with Herman. You remember that? I do. Yeah, Herman had a different outcome.

Yeah, I know. Yeah, Herman had a different outcome. Yeah, I know. I agree with you that denial of quorum is a very powerful tool, but it's really hard to wield it, and it's got to hold all the way through to the last day of session until they call Sine Die. I agree, and that's just it. But other than that, all I'm going to do is that there's going to be fundraising letters coming from the Republicans that are saying,

oh, you know, and boy, look at all the bad things these Democrats are doing. It's like, you're there. And if you say, well, if I don't get my absences excused, then I can't run for reelection, then I would say, well, what the hell good are you then? You know, there's not enough of you to be able to just vote no on something. So what the hell is the point of being a senator or a state rep? This is not a career. I know David Brock Smith and others think that it is their career, but their job is to represent their people and protect their people from the abuse, from the abuse of this majority party. And that's where I differ

on these kind of situations. Their job description is different from my job description for them, Brad. And that's why we shouldn't have to be dealing with such a naked abuse of businesses down here in Southern Oregon, based on, well, I want to keep my job. OK? Can we agree on that much? Well, I can agree with you that the political left has come to the point where they think they're just about invincible, and there's not much evidence to prove them wrong. Okay. Brad, I appreciate your take on the, at least letting us know about Senate Bill 426, but there are a lot of Senate Bill 426s in this legislative session. Oh, mine. Are there ever?

All right. Talk to you soon, but thanks again for checking in. I appreciate your insight. All right? Happy Friday, Bill. Yeah, indeed. Yeah, I know. I'm not complaining, I'm just irritated. Yes, I am complaining and irritated. Because what's your job description? What can you do? The only tool you have is Quorum to break things. If that's the only tool, and you won't use it because, well, I might lose my job, well then what is your job?

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told that, well, you know, we can't deny and walk out and not vote on this stuff because it'd just be symbolic. And, you know, it's... stuff because it just be symbolic and you know it's... I think we could all use a little bit of symbolic fight back right now rather than just saying, oh they just send us some more Republicans and then maybe we can then help the Democrats vote in more stuff next time because we have to reach across the aisle and be friends with them. I mean it's it's political warfare and the Democrats are winning, yet they got the votes. They can they can pass only stuff that the Democrats want and then I know Republicans will, I'm going to get I'm going to introduce my bill or I have my plan. No! It's not going to happen. All you

can do is decide to what level you're going to break the legislative session and they refuse to do it. Let me go to Ronnie. Hello Ronnie, how are you doing this morning? Hey, I'm great. So there is a more extreme provision that would require the state to modify its legislative agenda and that would be a lack of revenue and I'll kind of leave it at that. People have to figure that out themselves. So what's that mean? If enough people leave or do not partake, which is along the lines of your discussion with Brad, then essentially the state minus federal resources because of their positions, the state will have to either cut back, that's very unlikely, or modify things to allow more revenue to come.

So I don't see them taking a lot of corrective actions doing that. So it's on a course that will eventually require modification. But here's the reason I wanted to call you. And this is about, you know what BOLI is? Yes, Bureau of Labor and Industry. Right, and they set aside certain jobs are built with state or government funds, and they're required to pay what's called prevailing wage. So they have classifications for different rates. But I had a real interesting scenario, and I think I even told you a little bit about this.

This was 10 years ago. A contractor that was very popular in the area won a large amount of the jobs they actually bid on, upwards of 80% of what they were bidding on. And I was bidding on too, so that's how I got some of the information I got. Well, what he would do is expense his bully wage. In other words, a certain labor classification would pay $38 an hour. Everybody has to pay that. That's it.

He would pay his labor, expense the payroll, take the credit for it, and require his labor to pay a percentage back in cash. Only requiring a kickback? Well that's not like dishonest or anything, is it? The generals loved it because he was always low. So I liken it to certain addictions for substance. It's like, oh my gosh they knew something was wrong based on pricing how could this be you know this individual was always 30% lower than anybody else but that individual was convicted of a felony in Medford and it turns out actually two felonies he plea bargain and accepted

one felony and was shipped out of the country three days later because he was here on a green card a work permit oh how interesting yeah so so in other words frauds that Americans didn't necessarily want to commit okay got it exactly and the other thing is it's still occurring. It's still occurring today. But elsewhere, okay. Thank you. I appreciate that insight here. Ron in Eagle Point, let me go to Tom. Hello Tom, how are you? Good morning. You know, listen, you and Brad go back and forth. I kept going over and over in my mind a quote from Reagan who said, there's no problem out there that with a little government help can't be made much worse. It seems to be our position here.

I guess you're right about this. My issue has always been though the lack of desire within the Republican… I mean I blame the Democrats for the crap that they bring forward, but you know that they're going to do that. The only thing we can do is break anything possible to stop them because voting no on it will not do that. You understand where I'm coming from? Voting no, all it does is just enable it moving forward. That's all. Yeah, I understand that. But what's really going on, you know, the Democrats want to turn all of Oregon into Portland. They want to have the, you know, just a terrible economy

and going to hell and crime and so forth. And it looks like to me that things, before there be any significant political shift, that things have to be driven into the ground, just pretty much like Obama and Biden drove the country into the ground, so finally the people saw enough of what was going on and they rebelled against yeah and you throw the and then a mass throwing of the bastards off or out rather and i guess we'll i guess we'll see how much oregonians are are willing to take after this latest legislative

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And just go to SkyParkINS.com. Get a quote today at Sky Park Insurance. At Sky Park, we make insurance easy. You're hearing the Bill Myers show on 1063 KMED. And it's Open Phones on Find Your Phone Friday here. By the way, a program note that Monday, Tuesday, gonna be taking a couple of days of vacation, Krista Gull filling in for me, and I'm telling all my friends don't text message me at 615 wondering where I am. It's happened. I go on vacation. It's like I want to say,

oh man, I want to sleep in here, but I don't want to turn the phone off because, you know, if things go to hell, I need to know about that too. So just know. Let me go to line one. Hi, good morning. Who's this? You've been on hold for a little bit. What's your name? Hello, it's me. Hi, Cherry. What's going on? I got four good movies. Give me four good movies for my vacation weekend. Oh my gosh. Okay, a couple are sort of older and a couple are new. Okay, so just go ahead and roll through them because I only have about five minutes left. Sure. Lucky numbers 11, 2006 with Bruce Willis and Josh Hartnett. Next one. Really good.

Witness Protection with Tom Sizemore 1999 and Forrest Whitaker. Excellent. The Wrath of Becky which was really good. 2023, excellent movie. Very kind of shocking, but excellent. And the last one is Unit 234 with Don Johnson and Jack Houston. Unit 234, haven't heard that. I'm gonna look that up. Thank you very much.

And I always appreciate your media suggestions here. Oh, good. Thanks a bunch there, Jerry. Let me go to the next one here. It's kind of a speed call here on Find Your Phone Friday. Yeah, this is... Yeah, Dave. This is Minor Dave.

Yeah, Dave, I know. Go ahead. I want to say is this, since Oregon state government is rotting, stinking corpse, when are we going to hold the funeral? Yeah, it's certainly been rotting from the head too, like a bad fish, huh? Yeah, right. Well, I can smell it from here and I'm in California. Oh boy, that says a lot. Thanks Dave. 7705633. Let me grab another call here. It's open phones. Good morning. Hi, who's this? Welcome. Hi Bill, this is Rich.

Rich, what's on your mind? You know, well, we're so frustrated that our representatives won't stand up and do that, but we're just as guilty because we're not contacting our other representatives who supposedly are passing these things, but they still represent us. We need more contact on the YAHUs from the other side, the dark side. Do you honestly think that Pam Marsh is an example here in southern Oregon? Gives a darn about your concerns?

If one person, yes, but how many of us are frustrated? You know, I mean they represent us. We're just as guilty as the guy that won't stand up and vote there if we won't contact them and say, hey, you're representing me. This is something I want you to think about and do that way. And it's just not me, but it's everybody. I mean, how many people listen to your program? We got to unite a little bit to try to change things.

All right. Appreciate your opinion. Thank you for that. 770-5633. Morning, this is Bill. Who's this? Hello? Yeah, this is Jim Rafferty calling. I wasn't sure I was on yet. Yeah, you are, Jim. Good morning. Oh, yeah. Good morning to you. Anyway, I take exception to those senators that walked out, mainly because they represent me and they are supposed to stay there and represent me. And if they can't do it by staying there, then they can't do it. Now, the other thing is... Okay, that makes no sense. That's nonsense, Jim. Well...

You say if you can't stay there and represent me representing you Is sometimes breaking the system and stopping them from doing business? That goes against your because they don't have the numbers to just vote no on something and stop legislation They can't stop the legislative session though and then negotiate we get rid of these bills and come back in that's what I'm getting at Well, yes, too, but they can also let me know what's going on. Bye. All right.

Thank you, Jim. Hi, good morning. Who's this? This is Gene. Yeah, Gene. Did the representatives that will not walk out understand we the American taxpayers put them in office and we don't have to vote for them again, so they'd better just...

Well, you know, the assumption is that we'll just vote for them because, well, their job is to be a senator or whatever. The case might be that we figure that we have no choice on this one. But to see no real fight, to see no real resistance to it is not necessarily, it's not helping a lot. It's not helping a lot, okay? I appreciate the call there, Gene.

Good morning, hi, who's this? This is Bill. This is Logan, Bill. Hello, Logan. Regarding our representatives, I just wanna bring this to people's attention because I think there's a lot more than just what's going on that we can see. This is not

a battle of flesh and blood, but of principalities and powers and rulers of darkness, and that's exactly what you're dealing with. These people are inherently evil and they work for evil, so we just have to combat it with good. Well, combating it with good, though, also means that there are times that you have to stop the ability of evil things to proceed, and there's been very little fight to stop evil things from proceeding, okay? They need to walk out, Bill. You're 100% right.

And show that they're at least willing to fight with something because it's the only tool that they have. It is the only tool. Voting no is not enough. Good weekend. Catch you on Wednesday. See you then folks. Take care.