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Tell you more about that. Hey, Mark writes me here, the email bill at BillMeyersShow.com says, Bill, everyone seems to forget about the drone conspiracy. We were talking about the Ukraine deal a little while ago on the show here this morning. And what Mark says is, Bill, everyone seems to forget the test runs of drones that mysteriously swarmed the United States a little earlier this past year. On another note, I was visually watching this plane yesterday and it just seemed odd that with its occasional weaving, so I went to FlightWatch and saw this on the live screen. I'll have to take a look at this. You're not talking about chemtrails

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We know her as America's psychiatrist and she's host of Dr. Carol's Couch on VoiceAmerica.com, the Terrorist Therapist podcast. And by the way, you even have a little registered trademark on that one, Terrorist Therapist. That's you. Hey, doctor, welcome back. Absolutely. Thank you. Good to have you back here.

And by the way, Dr. Carol is a forensic psychiatrist, expert witness, best-selling award, winning author of four books, two on terrorism, two on relationships. And sometimes those relationships can be terroristic, but I digress. That's true. Good to have you on relationships. And sometimes those relationships could be terroristic, but I digress. It's good to have you on here. Hey, Doc, what is your thought about the amazing these terror attacks we've had over the last week? We had, of course, the shootings, the two shootings outside of the Jewish Museum, just very tragic, and people admitting it and going right into it. And then we had Mr. Flamie Flamethrower alleged and of course his family, they tried to

deport the family now, the judge says the family can't go either. It's like, wow, we sure do have a lot of pathological altruism in our system right now. But what are you thinking? What's on your mind here with the terrorism first? That's a good way to put it, pathological altruism. That's going to be the death of America. You know, we are so, you can add ignorance in there too. Although there are a number of people who are experts on terrorism and who have been trying to tell America that we're in danger, but people are in denial. What's going on? What's going on is, first of all, October 7th allowed the world to express its underlying anti-Semitism. I mean, you know, they couch it in anti-Zionism, blaming Israel,

etc., claiming it's genocide, etc. But really, it's anti-Semitism. And it's very frightening how much it is growing in our country and how nothing is being done. Now, I will take that back to some degree. I mean, Trump is trying to fix it, but all these judges, you know, who don't have a clue are stopping him at every turn, you know, giving him... I mean, there are so many judges who were appointed by Biden or who are progressive judges, and they, you know, they want to keep these terrorists in our country. I have a slight difference of opinion with you on this, and not on the terrorism aspects of it, though. What has been concerning to me is, I don't like how disagreeing with Israel as a country

is getting conflated with being anti-Jew. And I kind of take my cue from Thomas Massey that talks about the big Jewish lobbies that have great control over our Congress. And I kind of like our Congress working for us and not really paying attention to what foreign nations want us to do or think we should be doing here. And where am I right or wrong on that? Well, I'm not sure where we disagree. What was your...

What in particular were you disagreeing with? Well, you know, we're at this point now where to disagree with anything that Israel is doing right now. And I'm thinking about it because I've read alternative accounts of what's going on in Gaza, too. And yet, what happened to Israel on October 7th? Horrible. And no one's going to say anything about this. But is what's happening in reverse? And they're saying it's not necessarily proportional. It's what you'll hear. And that kind of gets squashed. And to bring that up, then you're an anti-Semite and then you're bounced out of Columbia, you know, that kind of thing. You're not saying that, I hope you're not saying, that these things are true about

genocide, that Israel is committing genocide and all of that. I mean, the Hamas has the best publicists, apparently, in the world. They're getting out these stories that aren't true, and the mainstream media is just believing it. Okay, so Gaza is not essentially just a rubble-smoking pit at this point? So Gaza is not essentially just a rubble smoking pit at this point? It is a rubble smoking pit. But that's thanks to Hamas and other terrorists and Iran who guarded the war in the first place. I mean, Israel has to protect... This has been going on for many decades, well, really for longer than that.

And Netanyahu, I watched him do a press conference several months ago where he talked about how his predecessors have always gone along with trading land for peace. Israel has been so desperate for peace, they've given this piece of land here and this piece of land there, believing that these terrorists are going to really have peace now. And of course, it never worked. And so his stance is we have to make sure that this isn't going to happen again. And in order to do that, we have to get rid of Hamas. And Hamas, they hold people, babies, they bury their, they hide underneath hospitals and so on, hoping that then when Israel attacks, let's say,

these hospitals to get to the leaders of Hamas or to get to the weapons of Hamas, then they can say, oh look, look at what Israel is doing, they're horrible. Israel is just trying to protect itself. Do you think Israel can only be protected by the removal of the Gaza population? What do you think should be going on? I know Trump has talked about moving these people along and turning it into almost like a Riviera

kind of development. I love that idea. You do? Yes. I think that would be, I mean, I think it would be an avenue for peace because Trump is saying we'll come in, we'll build it up. It needs a lot of work to be built back up and we'll build it up better than it was.

And this will be, you know, it will be the United States in that spot, not Israel and not terrorists. And so it would be more of a barrier, you know, a peaceful barrier in between. Okay, so what do you think ends up driving like the latest flamy flamethrower fellow Sunday when he ended up setting a lot of people on fire over in Boulder? Now I have to say allegedly he has been tried yet, but I mean this video they pretty much got him dead to rights there, because he's talking about down with the Zionists. He was yelling it. Right.

There's video of him. Yes. I don't think there's a question who it was. I mean, it was awful. Apparently he was planning this. This is, you know, just shows you the degree of hate. He was planning this for a year and he only waited because he was waiting for his daughter to be graduated from high school. And he held this group that was doing the walk

to remind people to keep the hostages in mind, to remind people we want to bring the hostages home, that kind of thing. I mean, they weren't like a rowdy group of protestors. Yeah, yeah, it's a perfectly reasonable thing. Hey, we'd like the hostages to come back. Who wouldn't, right? You know, I get that. I certainly understand that. So, but he had this plan and he used homemade Molotov cocktails and similar kinds of weapons. And fortunately, nobody died died but a lot of

them were injured. Well yeah hey listen big severe burns though are nothing to sniff at you know that yeah it could be really serious and I guess my my point being here is that ultimately at the core of this of this crime right now was that he didn't belong here and nor did his family. And yet he was given permission by the last administration to stay here kind of and even then he overstayed, did he not? For what I understand this is an immigration problem as much as it is a terroristic problem. Yes, yes. Well of course that's why Trump is now, you know, he announced 12 countries that he's not going to let people in from.

I mean, that is kind of a big step, but he's trying to make changes quickly because, I mean, that's the thing. There are so many people who have managed to come to the United States, who are either on expired visas or who just snuck in to begin with. And so it's a big, big job. Is it impossible or very difficult to track people who just overstay? I don't know how that process works. I don't know if you know. Apparently, apparently, especially if, you know, I mean, there are so many ways to unless you do something to draw attention to yourself, like if he applied for a job or I don't know, there would be ways, some ways that could be found out.

But people are, this has really just gotten to be something that's ignored in a lot of different ways. But one of the interesting things and sad things was that his daughter was wanting to be a doctor and she really did well in high school, and she did a lot of, not just good grades, but she did a lot of things, activities and so on for the school. And she was hoping, and she was glad that they had come to America because she wanted to go to medical school. And now, of course, the family gets sent back.

That's kind of... Yeah, she's probably going to get sent back to Egypt then, right? That's the plan. And even if she were to then reapply to come to America, given the familial connection, it probably wouldn't go so well for her. Right. Well, right now they're kind of, except for him, well even he, they're in kind of a waiting sort of time, you know, they haven't, it hasn't been decided a hundred percent which was the family, the whole family was going to be deported. I mean he's obviously going to stand trial. And

you know it's not like even though we would want him to, I would want him to get the death penalty, on the other hand, I mean part of me would want him to get the death penalty. On the other hand, I mean part of me would want him to get the death penalty. On the other hand, that would make him a martyr. So no, we can't really give him the death penalty, but life in prison sounds good. Yeah. Dr. Carol Lieberman, MD, the terrorist therapist with me this morning. I wanted to shift to a different high-level psychiatric story of Sorton. It has to do with Pete Itty. I wanted to get your take on some of his background. You have this high-level celebrity

trial and it appears to be like another Epstein kind of situation with a lot of what they term freak out. I never paid attention to him. I'm not a big rapper fan, things like that. It says, okay, we have another rapper behaving badly. It was kind of like what I was thinking. I'm not a big rapper fan, things like that. It says, okay, we have another rapper behaving badly. You know, it was kind of like what I was thinking. And I'm wondering, am I right about that? Is there a deeper side to this? Because I haven't paid as much attention as maybe I should. What do you think? Well, I know. I was kind of hoping this would just go away. You were, huh? I really didn't want to spend all this time studying him, but everybody wants to know about it. And so, so I have, you know, I have been, of course there are no cameras in the courtroom.

So it's only from reports, you know, from journalists who are there inside the court. But what I found to be most interesting is that it's all his mother's fault. It's always, it's always the parents. Oh no, he didn't have mommy issues, did he? Yes, he did. He did? Okay. His father died, was killed actually, because of his drug issues, the father's drug connection to drugs. And so it was he, Diddy, and his mother, and his grandmother for the rest of his life, for three years old on.

And his mother apparently liked having these big parties, which were essentially the precursors to Diddy's freak out. Really? Was it kind of like a strange sexual identity thing that you're thinking went on there? Well, not necessarily sexual identity, but she had parties with pimps and prostitutes and drugs and alcohol and nudity and all kinds of sexual behaviors right in front of Peabody as a little boy for years, for his whole childhood. Yikes! Andikes. Yikes is

right. This desensitized him to some degree to sex. Also, imagine you're seeing your mother having sex with all these different people. It's not a very healthy childhood. It's not a very healthy childhood. So, so he, you know, so then when he grew up and he got to be famous and rich and all that, he was able to do those parties at a much grander scale. And that's basically what he's doing. He's repeating his childhood, but grander. Do you think he could actually get away with it though? I hope not.

I worry about that. You know, I worry about it on two counts. First of all, and this is probably, I hope it's less likely than the second thing I'm going to tell you. You know, one thing is because he has all the money in the world, he could well, and has all these connections and so on, he could well make a connection, I mean one of his minions could make a connection to one of the jurors and pay them off. That's one thing, of course. And then the other thing is that

there could be at least one juror who thinks to themselves, well, you know, okay, this is not great but I don't want the government stepping in and telling me what kind of sex I can have. These were consenting adults, now of course they really weren't consenting. Well you know that's the thing they're gonna argue about were they consenting. Like Cassie Ventura for example. I mean she you know she wasn't imprisoned in his house. She couldn't, she didn't have to keep coming back, but she had fallen in love with him. And so she did. So she did keep coming back. I mean, he was the perfect example

of an abusive man. And women, there are women who stay with abusive men for a number of reasons. Well, you wrote a book about it, The Bad Boys, right? Yes, I did. Bad boys. Why we live them? I haven't lived with them. I went to leave them. And the abusive type is called the prince, I call the abusive type the prince of darkness.

It's the OJ type. And so, you know, it's just you keep thinking that the man apologizes. So you keep thinking he's going to change. You're going to change him. And also for her, she was hoping she needed him or wanted him to help her with her career and all that. And I think she was like blindly in love with him. And plus he was using, I mean that's part of the case, he was using threats and

all kinds of things to keep her there in addition to her own falling in love with him. He used bribery, he used threats. I'm just glad that she has a man who treats her well now. I know singer Justin Bieber, of course, had his own contacts with the freakouts, as they call them, and it sounded pretty sordid. Was there any kind of Jeffrey Epstein sort of thing going on there where you think there may have been some, you know, we're going to have leverage on you? Or was this just Diddy being Diddy once again? No, no. he did do that.

I mean with Cassie for example, he kept threatening that if she didn't come back and participate in these freak-offs that he would show, you know, he took video just like Jeffrey Epstein's. He took video of all these people. And so he did have that as leverage to threaten them. And of course she didn't want these disgusting pictures, videos to be shown. In fact, there was a time when he told her parents, he wanted her parents to pay him $20,000 because of something that she did, and otherwise he was going to put these pictures and videos online. Do you think that Ditty's childhood that you talked about, unfortunately sorted details and what it sounded like, not a really good childhood, do you think that that is sympathetic

enough that he could get him off on all of this or could there be a split verdict on something like this and that he gets nailed on some things and not on others? What do you think? Well, you know, so far that his childhood hasn't come up. Oh. But some people have, yeah, his mother is in the courtroom and when she first started coming to the court, she was wearing these low cut dresses. It was like she looked like a prostitute and yeah mom. Please don't come to the trial really. I love you mom don't come to the trial. All right that sort of thing.

Well, I don't know. I think he was proud of her. I mean I I don't know that he minded her coming and looking like that. He was used to it for one thing. But then more recently, she hasn't, at least in the pictures that I've seen, she's been a little less flashy, a little less undressed. But boy, you know, there's more of this that goes on than you think. I remember, what is it, Elizabeth Hurley's? Did you ever check out Elizabeth Hurley's son and how he seems to be involved in photographing mom and involved in all those things I kind of had that same vibe you know that you were just talking about it's just like no sons should not be doing this with

their mother okay okay all right well I appreciate you giving us a take on what I have not paid much attention to, so I feel like I know a little bit more now before than I did, and now I want to go take a shower, if you don't mind, okay? Yes, exactly. All right. By the way, you can read up more on this, and Dr. Carol Lieberman, everything about Dr. Carol Lieberman, it is expert witness, forensicpsychiatrist.com. I will link to this all and everything Dr. Carol is available there. I appreciate it and thank you for having gone into the Diddy trial so I don't have to as much.

I really appreciate that. You're very welcome. You are performing a public service this morning. Thank you. Okay. Dr. Carol Laidman, it is 730. The heat is on in the Rogue Valley but just like summer brings hot days you can count on hot deals that save your wallet at American Rancher Garage.

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And had a talk with her and I thought, oh great, we'll flesh out a little bit of what's going on here and maybe this spurs some investigation or maybe some changes if it's needed. I don't know. But Sonia Warren, Sonia Warren joins me. Sonia, welcome to the show. Good to have you on. Good morning. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. Now, are you a big FFA person? Morning. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. Now, are you a big FFA person? Tell us about what you've been doing and maybe a little bit about your son.

You're in the Phoenix Public School District, right? So I am a big FFA person. I grew up participating in FFA and then was really excited when my son, who is 16, also decided that this was the path that he was going to embrace. Are you a farmer? I'm just kind of curious. Do you do farm as a day job or not? Nope.

Okay. No, this is, I mean, we, I grew up farming and just kind of carried over. But as I from being a mom, I'm actually a paid staff member for the Phoenix College School District as the, I'm using air quotes, as the FFA support slash coach. Oh, okay. So my experience is nothing but hands-on and I am at a loss right now. Okay, now are you still with the Phoenix School District right now? I am. Okay, all right. So you're still there. All right. So you want to talk about something. So what does the, what is it called again, that coach type thing? What is that now? It's the FFA support, you know, slash coach position. Okay. It's paid as kind of a

contract and then my job is to assist the district and the ag advisor with the program with animals you know whatever comes up different competitions, trips and things like that. And your son was also involved in the program from what I understand? Yes. Okay. All right. He was actually served as an officer as well.

So where did the problem start or what has happened? You know if I were a psychiatrist I could put you on the couch. What happened? Tell me about your problem, huh? So this has actually been a problem for over two years. Claims and concerns have been brought forward to our school district, school admin, that the advisor is behaving unprofessionally in a matter that is unbecoming, unethical, and just deceitful that I feel like at this point in time we are no longer being respected for our opinions and being brushed under the rug. Okay. So let's be a little more specific about what kind of behavior from the FFA head there is causing you trouble.

And is it something which is considered unprofessional or something which is illegal? I guess we kind of have to make a differentiation. Your opinion here? I've got both. The most recent example that I have is for the spring fair that just happened at the Expo when animals were due at the Expo, vet check was at 2 o'clock. By 9 45 animals were loaded up into a metal horse trailer, taken and parked at the Expo to wait. Upon being discovered, one of the Lamb Superintendents stated, you know, it's getting hot, it's

getting warmer, it would be best to take these animals back to your farm, because we have a school farm, take them back and bring them back later so they're not under duress, they're not being overheated. Okay, so that was the suggestion, take the sheep, take them back to the school farm, they get cooled down, less stress, and then come back later, right? That was the whole thing? Right. Okay. All right. So what happened? And risking, leaving animals in a hot trailer that you might not pass your vet check because now you have a temperature. And not passing a vet check means that you're not going to sell your animal, which after

you spent thousands of dollars in time and effort that not going to market is, that's a huge setback for both emotionally and financially. Once the statement was made to take them home, the advisor drove them to another location on the property and parked elsewhere and did not take the animals home. Oh, okay, so didn't take them home for stress reduction, just kept them there on the property. All right. Yep. Now according to you, this is how this happened. Now why why would you say it's done that way? Was there an explanation done from the ag advisor? There's never any feedback for any behavior that happens.

That's one of my points is that I have brought this forward to admin on so many different levels and it's all being brushed into the rug. I will add that one of the parents to protect her investment brought down her car with a tarp and put the animal in the back of her car with the air conditioner on because she wasn't about to risk not going to market for her kids. Yeah, it was a pretty warm day, what I recall. Yeah. Over the weekend. All right. When I had checked the weather, it was already 75 at 11 and then obviously getting warmer.

So just a quick calculation for one of the, you know, par heat calculators so that it could have been up to 126 degrees. Okay, yeah, that's pretty hot. So you're concerned then about what ignoring of animal safety or, you know, animal husbandry kind of safety rules and what it is. I'm not an FFA person. So you're... Yeah.

Animal safety for sure, but also causes for concern from parents that this is not appropriate causing... I'm a staff member and I reached out to admin and I was told that it was being handled. And I said, well, how is it being handled then following day that I was told oh you know we were monitoring we were in constant communication we were monitoring with the act teacher with a video of the temperature and condition of the animals and you can't tell temperature from a video and so all right my point being though here by the way Sonya Warren here with me talking about what she

sees as some problems in the FFA program over in the Phoenix School District here. The thing is, when they tell you at the Expo, take the animals back, are you supposed to or required to take them back or is that at the ag advisor and maybe you as a support coach's discretion? I mean it's a free world. I'm sure that you could obviously do whatever you want. As an ag teacher and someone who should be caring about animals and about the someone who should be caring about animals and about the concerns from both students and parents not doing the right thing, that's, and I guess not caring about the potential outcomes that could have happened. I'm glad that nothing did.

I will say that first and foremost. So not to put words in your mouth, but it sounds like you're kind of concerned about a lack of abundance of caution or lack of caution when it comes to the animal tree. Is that kind of the way to look at it in your opinion? For sure. All right. All right. Okay. So Sonia, are there any other issues that have cropped up there with the Ag Advisor there? In your opinion. I mean, Bill, I have a laundry list. I have

where there are students being appointed into officer positions and somewhat in, but not somewhat, there is unethical placement because students that didn't have an Ag class the year prior are being without FFA experience are being placed in the positions and you should you know there are requirements involved and just because you are the Ag teachers relative that live in her home that doesn't that's not a free pass and that I brought that as a concern. So you're believe so you're then alleging favoritism of some sort of undue favoritism. Nepotism, favoritism, yeah.

Okay, all right. What has the response been? Who ultimately then controls the FFA and the AgAdvisor and what goes on with the FFA program in the school district? Is this a superintendent issue? Is it a school board issue? I'm sorry to ask these questions, I don't know. And I think if I don't know, maybe other people don't know either. No, happy to clarify.

I mean, it definitely is at the school level that is, you know, first and foremost, you should address the activities director and the principal. And then because I wasn't getting satisfactory responses, I reached out to the superintendent. There has been a lot of pushback and run around, oh, we need to have group meetings and we need to have Google forms filled out with problems and solutions.

And like I said, this has been going on for two years, that three people in positions, paid positions that have seen this firsthand, have been reporting these. So it's not just you reporting it? It's not just you? It's not just me. No former staff members as well. Huh. All right.

So, yeah, that's my big concern. This isn't new. This isn't like I'm just being petty or that my feelings are hurt. This is founded. I have proof. I have screenshots. I have videos that animal welfare is being disregarded. I have statements from kids about things that have been said to

them that are highly inappropriate. Now, your son though got sideways with this advisor, didn't he? I'm glad that you brought that up. Yep. I remember you told me that. So I just wanted to say, I just wanted to find out, is this, you know, you want to get back at the Ag Advisor because your son ended up... No, I mean, I would love for some corrective action and accountability to be had. But as a mom, I am going to brag a little bit. My kid is a good kid. He is honorable. He is honorable.

He is working on his Eagle project for Boy Scouts. He is the vice president of the chapter. He works full time in the summer. And so it's not like he's a problem kid. And so he took it upon himself with a group of students to address the advisor about rumors that he was not dedicated enough to be this year's president in the elections. And that was really hurtful because he has missed boarding events. He has missed

family functions to go to events. So when he went to address the teacher, and of course, she begins the gaslighting and the lying, that he lost it. He's like, you know what? Through this, I'm done. I'm out. It's actually cussed at the advisor, right? Yeah. He lost his cool. I'm like, you know, I don't condone it, but I also don't condemn it, because once somebody is out there with them, they're out there with them. My problem is that the excessive disciplinary action that was taken by giving him two days suspension was not par for the course for someone

based on their guidelines and policy at the school for a first time offense. What are you thinking? They're just trying to shut him up? Is that what this is about, just shut him up? I absolutely think that it was retaliation because I have started to become a whistleblower. And so because like I said, he is a good kid. I am bragging a little bit, but I'm also founded and what I believe because he has done everything that is required and responsible. He raises animals and he shows up and being

punished, which yes, in part of the school district, I'm not going to begrudge them for following protocol in the sense that if you swear to teacher, you are reprimanded. Yeah. Fine. But not as a first time offense, not as a good kid. And so my, this use of excessive disciplinary action is far stretch. Between you doing a whistle, I guess the, you're kind of trying to connect between you raising

issues about what's going on in the FFA program and lack of professionalism in your opinion, you know, all this kind of stuff. And then son loses his cool, gets reprimanded harshly. And what is this the what do you think this is the the system kind of circling the wagons though over at the Phoenix School District or or something else I think so I mean because other children have stated well I've four out or two and I didn't get written up and I didn't get suspended and so you know it was you know and these are other FSA members and students and officers. And so I'm not sure why my son was the, you know, the state's go this time.

But Sonia, I have to ask though, and I don't know what the structure of FFA is. Like I said, I knew a lot of people in FFA when I was in school. That was a long time ago. Okay. Is the ag advisor in the district a union employee, a unionized employee? Usually if they're tenured, this particular person is still in our probationary period. Okay. All right. And you had asked earlier about the reporting structure. So obviously school level and then the Oregon SFA is the umbrella that the school reports to. And then we have the National SFA Organization that the Oregon SFA reports up to.

I have also launched my concerns in the proper forum reporting that as well, and no one has reached out. No one has? So are your complaints then just being ignored at this point? What? Absolutely. In fact, this morning I was raising a concern that I was not notified of an animal being taken from the barn, moved to a different location.

And I said, well, none of these pens have been cleaned. It's getting hotter, it's getting worse. And now we have an unnecessary amount of flies just because of the amount of mess and shavings and manure that were left in the stall. And so, when I pointed this out that I was basically... I have an email actually from the principal that, you know, she's no longer speaking to me because my communications are scattered and consistent.

And I'm like, well, y'all are consistent because it's something every day, whether it's inappropriate behavior, animal neglect, you know, disregard for proper procedures. And so, I struggle with that because that's my job. My job as the SFA support is to support the program. Have they threatened your contract? Just curious. Has that been... Absolutely. What's that? Has your contract been threatened or are you are you gonna bounce you out you think? What? Absolutely. I'm supposed to have a meeting with the superintendent tomorrow, and I fully believe that they're

going to dismiss me. All right. It's pretty disappointing. Like I said, I have written communication that is being disregarded stating that the principal has to allocate the time and attention to issues that are critical and time sensitive. Well, if you're bringing all this stuff up though, by the way, Sonya Warren with me here, if you're bringing all this up and nothing gets done about it,

is it because they come back and say that this is really within the acceptable protocol? I'm just playing the other side here just a little bit and you've got really nothing to go on here. I struggle with the common sense of why that anybody would think that any of these behaviors are acceptable. That you know just because someone has an Ag teacher certificate doesn't make them all knowing. And so when students and parents, and I'm not the only parent, I'm not the only one that's on this witch hunt, I have a big supporting group of other students and parents and former students actually, because there have been students who have been leaving the district because of their interactions with her.

Now, did you not try to transfer your child, your son, out of this? I am, and they have denied the transfer request twice saying that we do not qualify. And I have pointed out that either it is, I've given them two options, that this is harassment, bullying, intimidation on behalf of the advisor teacher's part and also the school with their excessive disciplinary action, but also just letting us go to a different school that has an ethical, competent, capable program, you know, that's considered within the athletic and, you know, academic activities that's being disregarded, especially with my proof and point that I'm like, how, what's the disconnect?

What am I missing? Well, yeah, it would say to me that, gosh, the Phoenix would love to get rid of you at this point, just kind of have the problem going. I would think so. Okay, wow, this is interesting. I wish I could draw a conclusion on this. Now you say you have other parents that are willing to help you. Are you going to go to the board at this point? What's next?

Yeah, absolutely. So, it's kind of interesting that the fact of two years of complaints from multiple different people, and we're basically dismissing, well, until you submit this formal form, we can't do anything about it. I'm like, well, why doesn't, okay, fine. I will do your form. They are fixing to receive because I have filled out all of their, and I'm using air quotes, I have filled out their official forms and they're going to be receiving 14 of them via email. I will also print them out and hand deliver them to the district office tomorrow at my meeting. All right.

Having 14 forms blows my mind. You should not... I just don't understand that. I just want to be clear, this is not just you though. You're claiming this is not just you having an issue with how the FFA is run there. Absolutely. Like you said, there are two former staff members, there have been multiple children who have left the district, and there's going to be more. Now I may be perfectly innocent for all I know, but we'll just see. I'll tell you what, keep us in the room on this one. I'll be curious to hear what goes on because I know how inquiries and things can go and disappear down the bureaucratic maw, you know, just, you know, in it goes. It can be pretty frustrating, but I want to be fair about it too. Maybe

what the Ag Advisor in is perfectly innocent. I don't know. I'm not an Ag person, but I do want animals to be treated ethically and professionally when they're going in and out. Also, because you're training the future farmers in this sort of situation. You want good animal treatment out there and taking care of them. Okay? Well, the beauty of FFA is that so much more than just farming. There are so many different avenues and ventures that are encompassed with the national FFA, which is even bigger point that like it's not just a secluded group of kids. We are branching out into all ethnicities walks of life and it's a

disservice to have a program that is failing. Another, you know, you asked about some examples and I have concerns with how funding is being used and also the presentation to the community. We had a plant sale last month and instead of Phoenix High School, you know, FFA growing the plants from seeds or even, you know, starters, Home Depot plants were purchased to re-pot it into planters and then sold. Oh, to make it look like the kids were doing it, right? Yep. Yeah.

The children were actually instructed to, you know, if anybody asked, we grew them. So, I don't think anybody wants their kids to lie. I mean, I know this with you, but teaching them and encouraging it is a different story. Got it. I got it. All right. Sonya, I'll tell you what, keep us in the room and can people get a hold of you if they wanted to ask you any questions about this? What should you do? Absolutely. So I actually have an Instagram page and it is titled, Our Kids Deserve Better. So, our kids deserve better in deserve period better. So our kids deserve better in a period between everything you can gladly reach out to me on Instagram. Okay. You know I can provide an email to you that if people would like to they can also reach out. Yeah please go ahead and pop me an email bill to BillmireShow.com and I'll tell you what just keep us in the room and you know maybe the the district will decide to look more into this and I'll be curious what

they do to the 14 forms being sent over as you'd mentioned. I appreciate your time so much Bill thank you for listening and thank you for everyone that has supported me so far and shared and liked and... All right now I just want to be clear I'm just gonna ask you I'm gonna put you on the on the couch right now. You're not crazy, right? No. Okay. I am very passionate. But you know how people can say, alright, just a crazy FFA mom.

Alright. Yeah. Alright. Well, Sonya, thanks for the call. Appreciate you coming on, okay? I appreciate it. Thanks, Bill. And keep us in the room. What happens? I'll be curious to see where that goes. It's KMED, KMED, HD1, Eagle Point, Medford, KBXG, Grants Pass. Oregon Truck and Auto Authority

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