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Episode Date: June 9, 2026

Morning news and headlines, Bob Packwood is gone, later Josh Wood, Executive Director of Them Before Us. New polling shows plummeting support for gay marriage and other LGBTQ agendas, what does it really mean?

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Maybe in Josephine County. Maybe in Joe County. I don't know. Join in at 770-5633. 770 KM-E-D. We're going to talk to a lot of great people this morning, some of them going over some latest polling that's indicating that support for same-sex marriage

is plummeting in the country. And I think the surveys are indicating that maybe it's not necessarily that people are going anti-gay. It's not that as much as they're thinking that what people have noticed is that same-sex marriage essentially has been the leverage for just, you know, opening up everything to all of a sudden you got, you know, a dude and a dress in your daughter's, you know, in your daughter's locker room, you know, in high school, that kind of thing. And, but anyway, I'll talk with some of the people who are analyzing that. We're also going to be talking about the rise of day of AI data centers. And one person that I'm having coming on about 730.

says that this is actually just the latest iteration of big government, big, big government, really going on. So we'll get his take on that. We've got to have other great stuff, too, including Dr. Powers with local history. And we're going to be talking about the latest local lawfare and the national lawfare against President Trump. You know, that continuing. Although, I guess that President Trump got the, I didn't see the clip because I was out of town over the weekend, went up to Seven Feathers for a little bit. Commissioner Roberts was having a 50th wedding anniversary. She and Steve, her husband, Steve, were having a get-together.

They were at the RV park up there. And it was just great seeing all of their family, and they had food. And then we met some other friends over at a K-bar a little bit later. We were just having a great time. And just sort of came home from Canyonville and passed out on Sunday. It's what happened with me, at least, with me and Linda. Now, I came back to work to rest. Just kidding, boss.

Hey, in all seriousness, though, some of the other news headlines we have this morning here, former Senator Bob Packwood ended up passing away over the weekend. And we have to make note of this. He was 93. He ended up dying at a care facility in Southern California. And what should be thinking? I'm having to go back in my mind.

The last time we were really talking about Bob Packwood, it was really kind of like the punchline to Joe. because, you know, he ended up getting in trouble. It was women's problems, you know. And he arguably governed as a moderate Republican, which means that today we'd be calling him a rhino. I think, honestly, we'd be talking about Bob Packwood today as a rhino. He promoted environmentalism causes and women's issues,

and he was, and he also started the Dorchester, the Dorchester Conference. and what do we always say about the Dorchester Conference? The Dorchester Conference is where members, certain members of the GOP, the ones that we considered rather squishy in the Republican world, go out there and continue to talk about how pro-abortion the GOP needs to be here in the state of Oregon. But you know, Bob Packwood was the person who started that. Oh, by the way, and Bob Packwood also promoted gun control too. So, you know, arguably a Republican, do you call him a moderate Republican?

We'd probably call him a rhino today if Bob Packwood were running. And like I said, you know, I don't know what else we can say. And, you know, if there was no Bob Packwood, we wouldn't have Ron Wyden right now. Yay. But seriously, you know, he made a lot of noise. You know, he did style himself as a Maverick back in the day. But like I said, Missed. misconduct allegations ended up bringing him down.

I prefer to remember the times in which there was a one time I remember, and I was in rock radio back at that time. I was not in news talk when Bob Packwood was in. I think I was doing mornings on KB.O.Y across town, you know, back in the day with my late morning partner, Ron Matthews. And Bob Packwood, like I said, was always the punch of the joke, and it was always about the women's, you know, punchline. But needless to say, there was one time that I remember that I would have actually liked Bob Packwood for one thing that he did. He was trying to deny quorum when they were doing some campaign finance reform votes or whatever it is, and he didn't want to provide quorum. And so they ended up dragging him by his feet one day into the Senate

chambers. Nope, you're going to come in here. It's like the sergeant of arms. They went and grabbed him. Now, I'm sure it was kind of for show or something like that. But at least Bob Packwood was a Republican who was willing to walk out and deny quorum when the need came. So, you know, he might have been useful had he existed in today's Republican Party. I don't know. But overall, yeah, he could say he's a long time ago. He's been gone a long time 30, 30-something years. And he ended up resigning before being thrown out of the Senate, which is what probably would have ended up happening to him. So there we go. Bob Packwood ended up. passing away, okay?

The other thing we have to mention is that oil prices are spiking this morning, but the local price for gas around here is actually continuing to drop. Now, I don't know if this is because there's a kind of a lag sometimes

between when oil spikes on the futures markets for delivery, you know, 30, 60, 90 days in the future, and then when we actually see the spike here at the pump or not, but yeah, Yeah, we're looking at the average price of a gallon of regular in Medford is just under five bucks. It's actually cheaper in Josephine County by almost a dime, eight cents cheaper, $0.92 a gallon in Grants Pass. And, of course, add $0.80 to a buck for a gallon of diesel.

You know, that's the way it is. But still, it's about $0.36 or more lower than a month ago. Okay? All right. speaking of oil and President Trump, Iran, and Israel for the most part lobbying at each other, lobbing missiles at each other over the weekend so that so-called ceasefire is looking less ceasing and more like firing. And what it was President Trump up to? Oh, I guess he walked out of an interview with Kristen Welker over at Meet the Press.

50-minute interview taking place at Chippewa Falls, Wisconsin, with a Sunday edition. of Meet the Press. Trump and Welker ended up discussing several issues during the interview, but it was when Welker tried to press him on claims about faulty vote counts in California's recent primary election and how the media handles questions about election integrity. The exchange turned even more tense, it says, here, when Trump slammed the media and accused Welker and the press of displaying bias against him, he says, your elections in this country were like a third world country. And oh, by the way, Spencer Pratt is now in third place. Isn't that amazing? The second place Democrat vote ended up becoming now the second place candidate as they continue to count. Nine days later. Nine days later, they still don't have all the votes in. That's okay. The longer you count. Well, it's just like what happens here in the state of Oregon, the longer you count, the longer the Democrats, the higher the Democrats end up polling in state.

Trump's actually right to pull this out. But I guess he ended up walking. He says, your elections are crooked and you're You're crooked and meet the press is crooked. So as ABC and CBS and CNN, you're one-side crooked networks. So let's call it quits because I've had enough. Thank you, darling. Have a good time. And then Welker says, Mr. President, please, I travel all the way to Wisconsin. I sat in the rain with you for an hour off and on the rain.

And I've given you enough time. Trump interjected, you ought to straighten out your press because the country can never be great with a dishonest press. Okay. All right. So that was it. President Trump ended up walking out. So she was pressing him on the shifty vote counts. You know, you would think that she would actually be interested in those shifty vote counts.

But I guess as long as the shifty vote counts, shifty in the right direction, that is all that matters. All right, a little closer to home. What else we have here? Medford City Council, this kind of got lost in the shuffle last week of the various news going on. Medford City Council approved a half-million dollar contract for an architect. textual team to estimate the costs and start preliminary designs, this in the Daily Courier, by the way, they're going to start a preliminary design study for the minor league baseball team that would serve as the future home for the Eugene Emeralds. Now, the cost will be split 50-50 by Medford and DG Elmore, who is the owner of the emeralds, according to city officials.

I have a question for you. Why should the city of Medford have to pony up? Why should the taxpayers have to pony up a study for a private company wanting the taxpayers to get all in on their baseball stadium? Does that make sense to you? Hmm. Should taxpayers be splitting that cost? That seems to me that that is a big business. To me, that is a business expense.

And if D.G. Elmore, the owner of the Eugene Emeralds, thinks that we are such a great spot to have the Eugene Emeralds come here and that the Medford taxpayers should be, you know, all in on backing this up then. Why should we have to pay for the study? Why should we have to pay for the study for the private business wanting to come in here and then have taxpayers back their building? It's kind of like our own version of the motor center sort of situation. Why should we be paying a dime for this? Does anybody have an answer for that? Why should any of us be paying to study whether the Eugene Emeralds should set up shop in Medford? The Eugene Emeralds are the ones that approached us, right?

Shouldn't the Eugene Emeralds be paying for the study? Now, there's another way of looking at this. There is the possibility that if we weren't involved, in the study with the Eugene Emeralds, then critics could then come out there and say, well, yeah, of course, the Eugene Emeralds paid for the study, and the study says that we should deal with the Eugene Emeralds. Maybe they're looking at that, and so if we split the costs, maybe that will get a more honest one. Do you think that could be what's going on? I'm scratching my head, because this is, once again, this is a business person,

try to get us to go into partnership with him, that's essentially what they're doing. Why should we be paying a dime for any kind of viability study? That just doesn't make sense to me. If you think it makes sense, tell me why. All right, 7705633-770K-MED. So Spencer Pratt now in third place, Medford City Council is going to pay a quarter of a million dollars for this $500,000 architectural team to study at

Of course, I don't know. You know, there's probably a lot of love for this because this is once again the dream of the Chamber of Commerce type line of thinking in which the way you're supposed to get wealthy here in Southern Oregon and redevelop downtown is to have taxpayers back up projects

that otherwise would never see the light of a day. Because as far as I'm concerned, if the Eugene Emeralds wish to build a stadium, they are certainly welcome to go out there and find a plot of land and get the permits and then build a stadium. But they don't want to do that. They want us to back up their stadium and kind of in the public-private partnership. Public-private partnership.

Socialized costs, privatized profits. That's how that ends up working. Take it to the bank. 623 at KMED, 993KBXG. Tomorrow morning I may have a little bit more to say about what's going on with Jackson County financing. Today, Danny Jordan is going to be speaking over at the Chamber of Commerce, and I was invited to attend their lunch, so I'm going to check out their lunch and take a few notes and be back tomorrow morning. It's interesting to see where it's going on because we have

Josephine County, of course, just ended up signing off and is going to spend lots of money and give raises at all sorts of other things. You have the City of Central Point that's doing those big raises like we were talking about last week. Meanwhile, Jackson County is going to be closing some jail space. Yeah, that excess jail space because of money tightening issues. Hmm. I have a feeling that Danny's going to be talking a bit about that. And I'm wondering if, once again, Danny Jordan and Jackson County are ahead of the

curve. And instead of saying, hey, everything's going to be just fine. Let's hand out the raises. Jackson County may be cinching in its belt a little bit. In other words, well, there's a reason why Jackson County is held up as a pretty good steward of finance around here. Southern Oregon. We'll see. I'll tell you what Danny had to say a little bit later. Well, tomorrow morning on tomorrow morning show should be interesting. I'm looking forward to

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It's in Road Valley Times. This travel Ashland study. Did you read about that? Visits are up in Ashland. Tourism visits are actually rising. I guess it's been pretty sorry here for a number of years because of the COVID time. It's taken some time. So studies to Ashland up 9%.

What I found really interesting, though, is that it's not San Franciscans, people from San Francisco, who are number one, used to be number one. They would be the ones coming here and spending money and staying in the city of Ashland. It's now Portland. Portland residents are now the number one tourist in Southern Oregon, in the Ashland area. Yeah, number one. They're spending more and staying longer than everybody. And I think that's kind of interesting.

It makes me wonder, well, maybe what they're thinking. They're in Portland, right? They're in Portland and the place is just a mess. But they still want to go visit a progressive liberal utopia. So, okay, this is Ashland. They know how to do it right. They only have their bums, their bums hanging out over by the police station with their little campground outside City Hall. That's where they put the homeless.

You wonder sometimes if that's what it is at, you know, Portland's saying, hey, man, you know, we can't handle it here anymore. It's just like hell, but let's go find, let's go find progressives who are doing it right. Oh, well, at least we can make a buck or two out of that, I guess. hotel motel tax more at 29 minutes after six hey vicki how you doing a member of the early morning commenters club how you doing good morning i'm i'm doing good it's nice to see a few sprinkles we're supposed to get a lot of rain today so that'll be good yeah not going to complain about that for sure you wanted to call in though about that metford city council decision last week they're going to split the cost of the half million dollar study the feasibility study you

know the design study for the eugene emeralds and you wanted the way in on that Well, OMG. They want us to pay for a study. They want us to pay for the stadium. I want to put a suit on and be on the field playing the game then. Okay. Or you want free beer for citizens' nights, huh? For the taxpaying citizens? I'm going to pay that many million dollars. I want a spanking new suit, spanking new outfit. And I want to be up to back. Well, you know, unless you're guaranteed to drive tourism here, Vicki, they're not going to give you a dime, all right? Well, and the thing is, is that they're going to do this study. What if it doesn't pan out? I mean, we're paying for nothing.

Well, you know, part of me was thinking that, all right, well, if we split the cost, if we split the cost of the study, of this stadium feasibility study, you know, then it's like, all right, we had a dog in the fight, so to speak. I guess they're saying. But, you know, if it's really that great of a business plan, it would seem to me that the Eugene Emeralds would come up, come to the city and then say, we have such a great plan. I'll tell you what. We'll even pay for the study. I'll tell you what. City of Medford, you go and you find the study, the person, the people who you want to do to do the study, I'll pay for it because I'm the owner of the business. I'm the one that's looking for the taxpayer money and the permission slips here, you know, from the city council.

And I'll tell you, I'll even pay for the study. you just choose who does the study, right? I totally agree with that. Yeah. I think if they want to come here that badly, they should make more of an effort to put up the bucks. Now, you see, that's probably why we'll never get elected to public office. Probably not.

They find some way to impeachers, Bill. Yeah, I guess so. Wait a minute. They don't want taxpayer-backed up projects for private businesses here. Wait a minute. What kind of politicians are you? Yeah. I've only being a little sarcastic about it.

Okay, well, maybe very sarcastic. Yeah, why are you paying a dime for a study to decide whether a private business sets up shop in Medford? That doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't make sense to you. Maybe we'll talk about that off and on. 631, it came. We'll catch up on the rest of the news here in just a moment. And I'm looking forward to talking with this gentleman named Josh.

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or you might just come. Now we can argue about the percentage. They were saying 10%. That was about 30 years ago that I caught that clip from some Broadway show. It's just weird. But now it's, you know, you could swear that everybody is a member of LGBTQ, especially out here on the West Coast. And polling is pretty interesting here.

I wanted to talk with Josh Wood about it. He's executive director of them before us. How you doing this morning, Josh? Welcome. Good to have you on the show. I'm doing great. Thanks for having me. Josh, tell us more about Them Before Us. What is the group all about? Tell us. Well, Them Before Us is an organization dedicated to defending a child's right to their mother and father. That's being raised in the family unit where a child, obviously, born to a mom and dad, stays with their mom and dad. Wow, that is also like the year 2000 kind of thinking.

Yeah, just going back a little bit. All right. Well, tell us about this latest polling. Polling from Gallup showing that support for same-sex marriage is really starting to leak away and crater. And I find this very interesting because, you know, here it is, you know, Pride Month. I think Pride Month's now like six months a year, isn't it, if I understand correctly? That's what it feels like. Yeah, yeah. Well, the trend math is that it's over-overall, if you just think the population, it's gone down from 71% in 2023 approval for same-sex.

marriage should gay marriage be legalized all the way down to 65% in 2026. That's everyone. But if you break it down, this is where it gets really interesting. Republicans have gone from 55% to 37% since 2021. Independence are down 6% down to 67%. And Democrats have remained unchanged. They're at 87% holding strong. 87%. So if you're a Democrat man, you were all in on the LGBTQ. agenda. Okay, that's great. What do you think is driving this? I mean, you know, it's, only the Democrats are hanging on, you know, in this particular situation. What changed over the last few years, in your opinion? Well, first of all, I think if you're still a Democrat in

26, you are pretty bought into to this. You probably are not moving. But what has changed, and you might be wondering, what does an organization defending children's rights have to do with the Gallup poll about same-sex marriage, the answer is it lies in exactly why the support has declined. I think the American people have seen what same-sex marriage and the legalization of it did to children. A, the agenda continued into transgenderism to say, you know, if men and women can be swapped out in things like marriage, if gender really is fluid, if gender doesn't really matter, maybe you can change your gender. We need to even allow children to do that. And I think we saw through the invasion of female spaces. People saw kids being harmed. Then more recently,

we've seen pretty clearly what happens when same-sex couples get together. They want to have children. The vast majority do not want to adopt. That was made clear by a poll from the Williams Center out in University of California. They want to create. Well, that means necessarily taking a child from their mother or father to be put into a same-sex household. Well, that's wrong. A child should not be deprived of their mother or father to complete someone else's family. And as people have seen through gay surrogacy and even, you know, things like, you know, people who are on sex registry, offender registries, acquiring children through surrogacy,

people have started to say, whoa, whoa, whoa, this was not a private matter. It turns out marriage is pretty foundational to everybody and all of society. That's interesting, Josh. So this is going back to what people, what critics of the Oberfeld decision were making. When the Supreme Court kind of created same-sex marriage out of thin air, I think it is kind of what they did. At least that's kind of how I saw it at least. And they saw it or they were complaining at that time. You know, this is going to be a slippery slope.

So in other words, people saw this. And then everybody that was saying it was a slippery slope then was right. So it's not necessarily gay marriage. that has caused the problem, but it's what it led to afterward. Is that pretty much what the polling you think is saying? Well, I think what people thought at the time was, oh, it is possible to just change this fundamental institution to allow for two men or two women to call themselves married and leave everything else alone.

What they found was when you destroy the institution and you change what it has always been meant to be, that the reason it's a man and a woman isn't just because someone, decided those two were the right pairing. It's because they're the only two that create children in the history of the world. And when we decide that, we need to give two men or two women equal access to that institution and as the justice did include children in that, it means that you're going to deprive men and little boys and girls of their mother or father to create these other families. That's always wrong. And we've seen it now with two men, you know, cosplaying in a hospital bed, taking home a little kid or that viral video from a few weeks ago where a guy said,

you don't have a mama, you don't have a mama, and the little baby starts crying for his mother. I mean, people are now seeing the receipt of the slippery. And you also had that, the nonsense they voted for in the state of New York in which we're going to get rid of the terms mother and father. It's going to be gestational parent and non-gestational parent, that sort of thing. And it's all connected, I guess, from this. Well, it absolutely is. We took and said that, you know, to make a family, you actually don't need mom and dad. You just need any two people. And even the state of Washington beginning to, you know, add in parental rights for three people or even four people. Oh, Thruples. Trying to push through. Oh, so they're pushing for throuples. Great. Oh, wonderful. It makes total sense, right? When what, it is not about the two people that created the child. What business do you have saying it should only be two men, not three?

What should it be two men and one woman? Not three or one. There's no sense in it. It had a definition. Once you open that up for debate and don't tie it to biology, it's really hard to govern. They're finding that out. That's interesting. Josh, what is the executive director of them before us?

You know, I was, and like I said, noting when a lot of this was going on over the last few years that, you know, as far as incest goes, well, I love my sister. No, I really love my sister, that sort of thing. or else, you know, I love little kids. No, I really love little kids. And if you bring forth this kind of, this kind of culture with those kind of thought processes in there, that love is love, this is ultimately the conclusion you can draw about what's going to happen. Well, Presbyterian Church just went through a fight right, and they're going through it right now, where they redefined their marriage to be anybody, man and woman, man, man, woman, woman.

And they, but they put in there that it had to be monogamous. Well, they wanted to, now they're getting fights over that because they said, well, what business is it of yours to tell me that my marriage has to be monogamous? When you open this up and you divorce it from a biological standard, what marriage has always intended to be, which is a institution that unites the two people to whom a child has a right. Now, the kid has mom and dad. They're bound together so that the child flourishes. We all know that. It's the safest, most protective institutions society's ever known.

But when you divorce that of any reality, say it can be any two people, unrelated adults raising a kid that they've had no part in creating, and that we can call that family and we can redefine what it means to be mother or father, well, then it is really hard to find some arbitrary other limit, like it has to be monogamous or only two people because it's completely gone from the biology that rooted it in the first place. And could it also even go so far as to being interspecies? I love my horse. No, really, I love my horse, Josh Wood. I mean, what do you think? Is that next? Well, we already see normalization of what's called zoophilia. That was a piece in, what is it?

One of New Yorkers smaller pages, I think, was one that wrote it about a horse. I mean, what this comes down to is the spirit of the ages. I get to do whatever I want, and I need everyone to celebrate it. it and call it good. That isn't how morals work. And we have an objective standard. Marriage happens to be rooted in a fundamental reality of biology. And it does exclude some things. It does say some things are wrong. And quite frankly, our popular culture is wrestling through, do we really get to tell people that they don't get what they want? And the problem is, when adults do what, who has paid the cost? It's often been children. And we think that children should be the

center of these decisions, not the random whims of adults. Now, Josh, would you also add to this, this criticism of the culture? Would you also add no-fault divorce to part of this? Or are you just kind of leaving that alone? No, no, no, because people do say, well, you're just coming after the LGBTQ crowd. And we absolutely not. We believe that marriage was always meant to be permanent. It wasn't meant to be an optional contract that you could get out of at the drop of a hat.

I mean, there's a reason Ronald Reagan said that him signing into law, the no-fault divorce bill, which made it, you didn't have to prove that your spouse had done anything wrong to leave them high and dry. He called that the greatest mistake of his political career. We believe that he was right, that it is a, it was a huge mistake, that children need their mom and dad. And you can't have that. Yeah. Okay. Josh, I wanted to talk about some of the other polling in this Gallup survey that you have been signed. on this one. What about the transgender agenda? Because that is the, you know, the real hot one

right now that has been getting a lot of promotion within the government school systems here in the state of Oregon. And, of course, parents have been getting hot and bothered over this. But there seems to be growing pushback against that, too. What's happening? Well, I think the truth of the transgender movement has come out more as kids have grown up and been able to testify to the damage that it caused them. That's the problem is when people push through these policies, it's often these adults claiming to be victims. We need to redefine marriage. We need to, you know, allow me into these safe spaces or let me compete wherever I want. I'm the victim because you're restricting me from doing these things. But what has always turned

the tide is when the correct victim is able to speak for themselves. So when the child of these same-sex couples or in this case the detransitioners, but famously like Chloe Cole, have come out and said, I may be sterile for life now because some doctor approved this at eight years old and said, if my parents didn't do this, then I would commit suicide. The correct victim getting into the center of the discussion has helped us to change the policy. All right. So I'm looking here that even Democrats, we've had 7% drop in support for the transgender agenda. still they're mostly all in, 60% as compared to 67%.

That's what we're looking at right now. Yes, yes. The gallopold was very clear that this is one issue that's now even starting. And we have to figure that that would be the last domino to fall. But I think, honestly, I think progress has overplayed their hand in that. I mean, starting to talk about we need to fund these types of surgeries for, you know, inmates. Or I think the most, you know, crazy examples were violent offenders being. asked to be put into female prisons where they could hurt more women.

What can possibly go wrong with such a policy? Sure. Yeah. Yeah, I think that even affected the real feminist wing of that party to say, wait, we're not protecting women at all now. Also, looking back into this polling here, Independence, they've lost 6% of the independence, 48 to 42% supporting transgender. Republicans have leaked another 5%, so we're still way down. on support for transgender, only 22% of Republicans. So everyone's moving downward on this scale, one way or the other, I guess.

You know, I just wanted to ask you. I was talking to another doctor who was involved in trying to end the transgender agenda on children, Josh. I was talking with him the other day. And I'm going to pose the same question to you. Do you think there's a possibility that we can talk about all the polling that we want, on transgender and or same-sex marriage. But let's just focus on the transgender. What do you think about the,

is it ultimately going to be the trial lawyers going after the hospitals and the various groups that are making money from transgender surgeries? Isn't it really going to be up to the trial lawyers to weigh in and just start suing the pants off of everybody that was okaying this stuff for all these years on the kids? You're asking me how I would have preferred it to go. I think that it would have been appropriate. for doctors to uphold their oath and do no harm. Sure.

That would have been my preference. Second, I would have preferred that legislators who do have some control in this situation would have said, you know, even if I want to take the approach that an adult is allowed to do on their own dime what they want to their body, which I don't believe we should, that the bare minimum would be we're going to protect kids from this predatory medicine, you know, scare quotes medicine. Yeah. Now, third, if we have to bankrupt these hospitals who greenlit this surgery because they were, you know, in some sort of fever dream with the progressive left and we're willing to go along with it, well, then if that's the accountability mechanism, then you know what? I'm glad that the lawyers are doing that.

Now, the reason I bring it up here is that in the state of Oregon, I don't know if you're familiar with it, but Oregon Health and Sciences University Hospital is a big all in on gender transition with special clinics. and special labs where they're creating artificial organs, sex organs, and all the rest of this. And so this has been a big part of the transgender agenda here and making this happen. It's been like little Dr. Mengal's lab up there in the Portland area. And yet OHSU does a lot of other good things here. And I don't know. It needs to be made riskier for them to do this stuff for sure. And, you know, you want to do it as an adult's one thing.

But the kids, and that's where even most of my listeners are coming from, leave the kids alone. I think that's what you're all about too. Yes, yes. I think we can all, I think, like I said, it is not wrong for us as a society even to prohibit some adults from doing things. For example, we don't allow in most of the country for an adult to end their life at the end. We don't have assisted dying in most of the country. I think that's a good thing. but for sure it seems like average Americans, everyday Americans should be able to agree that we're

absolutely not going to allow little children to be sterilized, you know, before their, you know, 12th birthday. Josh, what is the executive director of them before us? What's your website there? And what are you hoping ultimately to come from this polling? I mean, I don't necessarily see gay marriage ending, do you? I don't see that happening anytime soon. I think that so then before us.com you can follow our move. We have a movement called greater than campaign, which is trying to do one specific thing. It's advocating for the rights of children over the desires of adults. And that applies specifically to the gay marriage debate that when we legalized gay marriage, we put the rights of children in the back seat. And we said that adults have the right to acquire other people's children into their families. And we think that that is wrong. We need to prioritize.

the natural family keep kids with their mothers and fathers. And I believe that same-sex marriage has to end as a result of that. Josh Boyd, executive director, Them Before Us.com. Interesting polling and interesting results from that. But things are changing bit by bit. There's a, I'll tell you, a lot of this, though, is implanted in the medical and the legal and the political and the political session, though. This is going to be, I mean, quite a long fight, don't you think? It definitely, Roe took Roby Wade, that took a long time. I think, though, more people will see the receipts. They will see children being stripped to their mother and father to facilitate an agenda. And I think that people will respond as they continue to see this in real life.

Josh, I appreciate the call. Thanks for checking in this morning. And we'll stay in touch for sure, okay? Yes, thank you. Thanks for covering. Josh Wood once again, executive director of Them Before Us, Them Before Us.com. Okay. This is the Bill Myers Show. and you're on KMED.

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