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Episode Date: June 11, 2026

06-11-26_THURSDAY_6AM

This hour of the Bill Meyer Show podcast is proudly sponsored by Klauser Drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for more than 50 years. Find out more about them at Klauserdrilling.com. Now more with Bill Meyer. Welcome to Conspiracy Theory Thursday. The conspiracy theory is that nothing seems to want to work this morning. I'm sorry, no Facebook Live. We'll have to try to figure it out during the,

deal. It's fascinating. You know, you bring up the camera and, and not that I want to, you know, share my problems with you, but, you know, we share our problems with one another. You know, you bring up the software and everything, say, ready to go, you hit go live, and then it says, oh, we have to update permissions. Oh, you have to re-log into Facebook. Oh, of course, you know that password, that, that 35 letter password that you have, that you're going to be able to get that in just fine, right? Yeah, no, that is not going to happen. And then the copy machine ends up kind of giving me, you ever just have a day like that? This is just kind of one of those days. But we're going to have a good time and talk about some good stuff, assuming that the telephone still works. So glad to have you on the phone here on Conspiracy Theory Thursday.

770563-77 OkMED. My email, by the way, is bill at Bill Myers Show.com. If you're trying to get into California right now, that is going to be a tough one. Just wanted to give you a heads up at Oregon Department of Transportation, reporting that $199 is closed at the Oregon-California border. We had a tanker truck crash near Eiddlewild, and this happened about 430. I'm going to keep an eye on it. At last report, it is still gummed up. And I love how they say, well, use an alternate route.

Yeah, okay, you're going to drive 150 miles north on Ivy. and then cut over, that kind of thing, right? Yeah, that's what we're looking at right now. Some of our top stories this morning. U.S. has launched a fresh round of attacks on Iran. It is just, boy, I'll tell you, this is quite a deal. Still short of a full-scale resumption of hostilities, but according to Iran International, Donald Trump said 49 Tomahawk missiles have been fired in Iran as he oversaw ongoing U.S.

U.S. military strikes from the Situation Room. Now, this is according to Fox News. And Trump said that strikes also involved fighter jet bombardment, the closest target, around 40 miles from Tehran. Trump said that the bombing would stop shortly, but warned that if Iran does not sign a deal, the United States would escalate further attacks. Wall Street Journal says U.S. military forces striking air defenses and radar sites near the Strait of Hormuz. No infrastructure sites hit. Of course, that comes along the line. of yet, that kind of situation, right?

Another thing which is interesting, which just came to light yesterday, the United States has been secretly shepherding ships through the strait. Yeah, this is after the public announcement of an end to Project Freedom, President Trump disclosing the efforts on truth social yesterday. He said, last month, I directed our great U.S. military to execute a secret mission to support oil tankers and other commercial ships through the Strait of Hormuz today. Please to announce the effort has resulted in more than one. 100 million barrels of oil making its way through the strait and into the open market.

More than 200 commercial ships have safely traveled through the strait. How do you secretly get them through the strait? I don't know how you secretly get that, but he's claiming that the United States of America controls the strait of Hormuz, not around. So that's where we go. There was also another interesting comment yesterday. They were asking him about the inflation numbers because the inflation numbers came in yesterday hot at around over 4.1%. hotter than it's been. Wholesale inflation was at 1.1% just month over month.

And so that's like a 12% per year if it keeps on going at that point. President Trump said he didn't really care much about that, that he loves the inflation. Now, I don't know if he misspoke or he's just kind of doing the, you know, the riffing like he likes to do with reporters. I love the inflation. The numbers are great. That kind of thing.

I, you know, the only, thing that bothers me about that kind of state. But, you know, you've got to love Don because he shoots from the hip quite frequently. But I just wish he wouldn't hand the Democratic Party lines to use in their ads in the midterm elections. Can we all agree on that much? I really do. I really do. That's one thing that concerns with me.

I know it's like in the Republican world, we kind of know, yeah, it's Dawn being done. But at some point, I think it would be better not to say anything about it? Yeah, you know, it's a little higher than we're working to get it on. We've got to get this Iran war done. And then we'll be looking at lower inflation rates. It seems to me that's the way to do it. But I don't know. I'm not telling the president to do much of anything, you know how that goes.

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and what they're digging into, all these people that ended up getting canceled, canceled during COVID and we are looking back at at this and trying to figure out why yet we still have to see no well we've seen no perp walks whatsoever

no perp walks whatsoever when it came to COVID. Anyway I'll be talking with Michael about this like I said he's in charge of this documentary film that you can watch right now from what I understand that'll be coming up after the 630 news no big surprise

Story in the Gateway Pundit here. We're all wondering what happened with the L.A. mayor's race, right? New report claims that the homeless people on Skid Row were paid to vote specifically for Karen Bass or Rahman for the mayor of L.A. A few weeks ago, James O'Kfe released his video detailing, rather, pretty lucrative vote-buying scheme involves paying homeless people in Skid Row for their votes. Now, the woman at the center of that scheme has actually been, federally charged, but now there's even more evidence of vote buying on Skid Row as homeless people claiming that they were paid for their votes. But as long as you went for the Democrat, Mayor Bass, or the far-left socialist, Rahman. There we go. New York Post has that story, too,

along with the Gateway Pundit. We have an Oregon man. Yeah, an Oregon man facing terrorism charges. This is a wild story. This is not something that you see every day for sure. 28-year-old Oregon man, this is in Oregon Live, has been arrested on arson and terrorism charges. He declared war against the United States, and he set a whole bunch of fires in Wheeler County. His name is Ethan Noble Burlingame, and is in the town of Fossil,

pretty small town from what I understand. And he ended up setting a bunch of fires out of the neighborhood. A fire swept through an unoccupied building near where he lives, and there were a whole bunch of other fires. later set in and around the town, torching multiple power poles. Fortunately, nobody heard out of all of this one. The weird part about this is that this guy just ended up, Burlingame just ended up telling everybody about it. He didn't even, he didn't even really hide it.

Court documents state that Burlingame also sent an email to Wheeler County Sheriff, Jeremiah Holmes, in which he said he was joining the wars in Cuba, Palestine, and Iran, and would piece of surrender when those ended. And he wrote that he got a firearm and he was going to shoot combatants, including the sheriff, who was on the wrong side of all of this. And one of the theft charges actually alleges that Burling Ames stole that firearm. So, boy, we're talking about some cuckoo, cuckoo stuff there. And he served a couple of years in prison for a 2016 Washington State conviction and has been

occasionally working for a fencing company in Foncel, a small town. Eastern Oregon, about 500 people. That is about it. Just a weird story. And, I don't know, even weirder story. But this is something that is not being talked about much. And I think this is going to be a growing trend. The city is popping off because of migrant problems.

Did you read in Revolver? What happened? There was an Irish man that was trying to be, well, now he wasn't trying to be, but an African migrant from the Sudan was trying to cut his head off, trying to cut the head off of an Irish man. Yep, trying to behead him on a Belfast street. And, of course, he used asylum, the loophole,

the standard sort of thing, the asylum system to get entry into the UK. He was charged with attempted murder, and the guy in his 40s suffered significant injuries to his face, neck and back on Monday night. Well, Belfast is practically on fire now. This is what's going on. And we have migrants.

What's happening here is that it's the Irish route. Migrants fly from Dublin to Dublin, rather, from Europe. Sometimes they're on false papers. And then they travel unchecked into Northern Ireland. And then they claim asylum. And the UK and Ireland share their common travel agreement, allows free movement. So this is a border scam sort of thing.

And Belfast is burning right now. We have masked Irishmen. And this, according to a revolver, roaming the streets, yanking migrants out of their house, they've had enough, and they want their country back. And I guess the thing which is really interesting is to notice how much of the press ends up reacting to this. They're more upset that we have the Irishmen actually reacting to this and trying to take their country back and the fact that there are illegal migrants that are trying to kill the Irishmen. it's like that a UK fellow that I was talking about yesterday that was stabbed yeah he was stabbed by a Sikh immigrant there

and the police ended up handcuffing him instead there's a real inversion of justice which has been going on well kind of like what has been going on here in the United States too with what happened to Carmelo Anthony remember he was sentenced to 35 years in prison for stabbing the white kid at the at the track meet and then everything just went all tribal. Everything went tribal.

You had these, you know, black politicians, you know, coming out there, you know, talking about the size of the of the knife blade that was being used and all the other things and how, you know, the black mothers of people like Carmelo Anthony, you know, always walking around in fear even though it was the white kid that got knifed. You know, it was a stupid, a stupid high school belly busting kind of thing. It was just really dumb how it happened in the first place. But still, the jury took a look at this, and Carmelo Anthony was obviously in the wrong and had the right thing happen. But yet we have all these politicians in D.C. that are just, you know, coming on and trying to explain it in the way. We have people on television trying to explain in the way. It just astounds me this inversion of justice. And how much longer do you think that America or Ireland or the UK is going to take such nonsense?

This is just insane. Yeah, you know, going back to what's going on in Ireland and the UK, it's like the globalist. I think I guess you're more upset that people are saying England should be for Englishmen. Well, it's a little late. It's a little late to have come to that realization. But these are the realities where we find ourselves these days. Health insurance costs, man, I've got to tell you, I was reading this, I put it in the news, you know, reporting this morning, but health insurance costs are just exploding, just going through the roof.

You can't believe how much Obamacare is going up. These are Obamacare policies. Now, they always call it the Affordable Care Act. But what happened is that all these insurance companies ended up getting together, and they were submitting papers this week on what the average rate, increase is going to be for next year. 17%. Wow. Now, it was 10% last year.

17% for this year. You know, 26 to 2027, 27, 27 rates, you know, that sort of thing. And they're blaming the usual suspects. You know, people are using it more in that there were tariffs. And, you know, and certainly there's certainly a part of that. Price of drugs did go up sometimes because of the tariffs. and medical devices became a little bit more expensive, but I think the big part they said is that fewer people are enrolling in Obamacare.

When you have fewer people enrolling in Obamacare, you can't spread the money around. So Obamacare is collapsing in the state of Oregon. I don't think this is anything unusual. But I just wanted to give you a warning that if you are in there, I mean, let's see. Well, as an example, motor health covers about 35,000 people. they're looking for an increase of 25%. Because when I was talking about the 17%, that was an average. That was an average of the Obamacare providers.

Moda is there at 25%. Now, this is if the regulators sign off on it. Bridge span, a little bit lower, about 12%. Providence Health, they've pulled out of the individual markets at the end of this year. Providence Health, remember, we talked about that. Providence Health pulled out. Pacific Worth.

Source health plans also pulled out. at the end of the year. So we have gone from six Obamacare plans to four Obamacare plans. And I'll be really curious to see where this goes, especially given that the state of Oregon, the voters ended up a voting member a few years ago, that we're going to be going to single-payer health care within the next few years. Remember that?

That is the plan. That is the key. That we're going to go all socialized medicine at the same time that we're running out of other people's money. It could be an interesting time. So all I would say is take your supplements, eat well, do some good exercise, things like that, and that will probably do you well, okay? Stay as healthy as possible. And boy, if you can stay away from diabetes, that seems to be the big one, right?

Diabetes, stay away from the big one. But there is one thing, though. There is one thing in the health suggestions that we're having right now that I disagree with. And I don't know if you have an opinion on this or not. Maybe we could talk about this this morning on conspiracy theory Thursday. I've noticed in the last year or two there has been such a focus on having people not drink at all. None. Even one drink a day and you're going to be taking yourself into dementia.

Have you noticed those kind of headlines that have been creeping into it? It feels like a real conditioning, a real sort of social conditioning of some sort. For years we've been told about the benefits of moderate drinking were obvious. You know, you had phenols in red wine, things like that that were quite healthy, healthy rather, and helpful to the human body. And there was also the stress reduction aspect of it too. I remember, gosh, my late father-in-law, D. Mounce. Now, he had a drinking problem, right?

so he drank too much. He honestly did drink too much at a certain portion of his life, right? It was really weird that when he stopped drinking is when the heart attacks started, even though he was fine up to that point. And he was, I guess people would say he was probably depressed. We've all kind of, you know, agreed that at that point. It's a good guy, though, wonderful guy. But, you know, once he stopped drinking, then there ended up being more stress.

in there and I think they kind of downplay that. They try to downplay that. I don't know, maybe they're trying to get everybody just to smoke weed instead. Maybe that's what is all about. But there's a strange anti-completely anti-alcohol push that's coming out of the news media,

coming out of the health organizations, coming out of the White House. And I don't know, maybe it's because President Trump is a teetotaler. I've often thought about that. He doesn't drink. He doesn't drink at all. And I wonder if maybe there's a little bit of that, hey, you know, we've got to stop people from drinking. But I I think that's unwise to tell, say, everybody, no drinking, even one drink, even one drink's going to kill you.

One drink a day. And it just feels like nonsense to me. It's just my opinion. Maybe we'll kick that around, but maybe not. But we will talk about the January 6ers and the lockdown, the people that were locked down and canceled. Back during COVID time, there's a documentary out about it, and I'll talk to the producer of it next. When you hire a contractor, the last worry you should have is, are they capable enough to handle the job? A well drilling contractor is no different, especially with tough drilling conditions southern Oregon can...

We want to get some facts about this deal. That's what we're here for. What happens next? Happens here on 1063KMED. You're here in the Bill Myers Show on 1063KMED. 638. Here's a new documentary that's offering a never seen before look into one of the most contentious moments in scientific history. It's during the COVID-19 pandemic. Of course, I'm still wondering, and maybe I could talk with Michael Pack about this,

why we haven't seen Perp Walks, but Michael Pack is the producer and director of the lockdown dissidents. Michael, it's a pleasure having you. I've never had the pleasure now. Welcome. Thank you. Good to be on your show. Yeah, tell us a little bit about your background

for those who may not know of your past year and other work that you have done, and then we'll move into the lockdown dissonance, please. I've done over 15 documentaries, most have been on PBS, the most famous in some ways, was called Created Equal, Clarence Thomas in His Own Words, which was a biography of Justice Clarence Thomas. So you did that, you did that, that. That was an incredible, an incredible, see, now I know you do great work.

That was a wonderful, it was a great book and also a wonderful show you did there. Okay, that's good. Well, thank you. Yeah. But all 15 of our films are great. I encourage your listeners to go to our website, gladiantpictures.com, where they could find them all, including this one, lockdown dissidents, which is also available free outside of the paywall on the Wall Street Journal website, WSJ.com, or their YouTube page, if you search for lockdown dissidents. Okay, so tell us, you know, give us the high points and the low points, as it were, of what we were dealing with a number of years ago. And I'm still wondering why we haven't seen any perp walks over what happened back in the day, but maybe I'm.

I'm wrong. I think that's a really key question. Let's get back to that in a minute. Yeah, we tell the story of the lockdowns from the beginning, and then the people like Jay Buttigar, Scott Atlas, and others who had different views that turned out to be right, and how that emerged, how they were ignored, we have a little bit of the inside story via Scott Atlas and Robert Redfield, is what went on in the administration. And then finally, how they were censored and suppressed, and how that all came out in the end with the Twitter files and a lawsuit and other things. But I think you guys still really the right question. This was the biggest thing that happened in a way to America and largely the world in the last five or six years.

And it was a huge blunder of monumental proportions. And people suffered and are still suffering. You know, education loss, separation from dying, parents, you know, delayed, tragically, medical procedures. you know, loss of kind of career direction, suicide. I mean, the toll is enormous, and why did it happen? So we look into that, and I think you're right. I mean, the people in charge, like Bouchy and Burks, you know, have a lot to answer for. And far from having a perp walk, they remain celebrated.

I mean, this is why we made the film. I live in Chevy Chase, a very liberal part of the D.C. area, and most of my neighbors, don't think Dr. Fasch is a hero. They had thank you, Dr. Faxi signs on their lawns during COVID, and they remained convinced that he saved them, and that his performance in COVID was great, and he had to deal with that horrible Donald Trump, but he persisted anyway.

And that myth really needs to be shattered, not only because it's just and it's only fair that people be held accountable, but so we don't make the same mistakes again. Does it address Operation Warp Speed as to what drove that? Because, you know, the president, of course, was under the gun to do something, I think, in that first administration. You get something like that. You have the so-called, you have the science, you know, coming up to you and insisting that we, you know, have to get a vaccine and get this rolling. And it seems like in the end it may have caused more problems than it originally solved or it didn't even solve any problems.

I don't know. How do you treat that in this? It was a half-hour film, more or less. So we really want to focus on lockdown. So we don't see what I think are parallel things, both the question of the COVID origins, which also is a tale of suppression of other scientific evidence. And we don't go into Operation Warp Speed and the vaccine much.

Although I will say for those interested in the vaccine, that we have a documentary coming out in the fall with the Wall Street Journal on the trucker, the Canadian trucker convoy. Oh, yeah. Which was in protest to their vaccine mandate. So if you let's your self-focused, you can look at this one now and that one in the fall. Okay. Now, let me then redirect this.

The lockdown dissidents here, what I remember is that, you know, the lockdowns in Oregon were not as bad as they were in some states. I think California was really punitive on, you know, when they would sit there and arrest people coming out. out of the surf, you know, they're out there surfing in the ocean, and you're going like, oh, you know, what happened to us? I think what has concerned me most during COVID was how any kind of alternative therapy that had some possibility and hope was absolutely squashed. I remember when, you know, getting a prescription for Ivermectin, and no one would fill it in the state of Oregon because of the orders that came down from Washington, filtered into the Oregon Health Authority and the Oregon Pharmacy Board.

And so, you know, valid pharmacies would not fill any kind of alternative drug or therapy at that time. And does Jay or any of the other people kind of mention that in the lockdown dissidents at that time? I just wonder where you're going with it. I mean, it's part and parcel of this general suppression of any views that differ from the orthodoxy. And we sort of go into how that works, you know, especially with Scott Atlas and Robert Redfield. I mean, they felt that they needed their view had to dominate. And any other view, whether from the weird scientists or not, had to be suppressed so that only one view dominated. I mean, Jay tells the story of his own study in March of, you know, the COVID came to America in January of 2020.

And by March, she conducted this study in Santa Clara that was reproduced elsewhere that proved that it was disproportionately affected older people. And younger people were virtually at no risk. Yeah, it's not that big of a deal for the kids. It never was. Yet school is closed. I mean, as you say, California, it may be the worst case. They closed for years. I mean, they even opened in Europe that summer.

So we had data from the millions of people in Europe that it was safe. But thanks to teachers' unions, and also this sort of government scientists enforcing their orthodoxy, schools stays closed, and kids suffered. So, you know, how did that happen? And I think Scott Atlas at the end asks us to set a key point about this. The government told us to do things, and we largely complied. We gave up our freedom of speech. We gave up our freedom to assembly, unless it was for Black Lives Matter. Oh, we also gave up our religious institutions in many cases, except for our freedom of speech.

for the rogue churches, you know, those bad churches. Freedom of religion. The first freedom in the Bill of Rights, we gave it up. We Americans who were supposedly so jealous for our rights, government told us to shut down churches, and we shut them down. Churches that were open in medieval times during the black plague, shut down during COVID, because the government told us to. We really have to more jealously guard our inalienable rights next time.

And, you know, government and government, we need government health, public health officials that will look at alternative views and welcome counterviews on iburemectin on the vaccine, on lockdowns, on massing, on social distancing, instead of enforcing an orthodoxy, you know, which is bound to be flawed since science changes. And science depends on robust debate. You know, you, you know, Haleo Copernicus famously suppressed and they turned out to be right. Not everyone who's a dissident is right, but if you shut down dissidents, you will not get progress in science or anything else. And then you get people like you and I, perhaps, that are now disillusioned about what comes out from public health guidance. And so now we have a situation where distrust is mounted because, justifiably, it's been betrayed. Well, yeah. Every time the Oregon Health Authority comes out with some other edict, there's always that little part in the back of my mind, Michael, that just says, yeah, yeah,

You were the clowns that had us following arrows at the, you know, when we would go to the grocery store and masking. And now I still see. I'll see kids. I think that have been broken. The younger generation was broken by this, Michael, because you'll see young, healthy people that are putting on the mask. It's almost like it's a comfort or what do they call a security blanket of sorts. That was the term I was thinking of. I think it's incredible.

I mean, everybody has their favorite, horrible thing that happened in COVID. Jay's favorite, you know, you gave your favorite with the arrows. He talks about in the film, this one we all remember. In restaurants, to go in a restaurant during COVID, they have to wear a mask to go to your seat at the table. You can take it off when you're eating. Then you have to put it on to leave as if the virus knows when you're eating and when you're not. That's right. That's right.

You know, when you're chewing the steak, the virus stays inside your mouth, right? So it really, we all did these crazy things. I found that perhaps unlike you, many people in the country want to forget about it and just move on and not remember these things. But, you know, we think you've got to learn from these mistakes so that they don't happen again. And even though it was crazy during that time, and some horrible things happened. We had several friends who couldn't be with their dying parents and grandparents. And people want to forget and move on, but it's a mistake or we'll do the same thing again. Do you talk about or does Jay or any of the other one talk about the skewing of statistics

in which someone would have COVID or test positive with COVID? And they were automatically counted as having died of COVID. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, that's right. There was a lot of statistical games during COVID. So Scott Atlas makes the point, and so does Jay actually in the film, that now years have gone by. And the solid measure, because what's a COVID deficit?

was not a COVID death that became political. But now we can look at excess deaths, the amount of people, how many more people died than would have not died in a non-COVID year. Excess deaths. And as Scott and Jay say, if they contrast, not Oregon, but Florida and California. California had very strict lockdowns. Florida did not. Harder had very loose people, more or less back to work back on the beach.

Age adjusted, they had the same excess deaths. In other words, all the things California did had no impact on the level of excess deaths. It was parallel to Florida. But Florida didn't have any of the negative impacts of the lockdowns, you know, loss of students losing education, suicide, missed medical procedures. None of that. Business is shuddering. None of that happened in Florida. And what did California gain from all the lockdowns?

Now we know, now that there's hard data, excess debt data, over a period of years, even And beyond COVID, we can really see what was really effective and what was not beyond all that statistical manipulation that you referenced. Michael Pack is the producer and director of the lockdown dissidents. This is the latest part of Wall Street Journal's opinion documentaries, a series of documentary films. And I have no doubt. I'm going to have to watch this. So you can watch it at the Wall Street Journal.

Right now, I'm a subscriber. That's why. You don't have to be a subscriber. It's not behind their paywall. You can just go to WSJ.com and search it or all three of our opinion docs or at WSJ.com slash opinion docs. Oh, great. Okay.

Very good. Hey, final question or two here, Michael. Has the system, when I talk about the system, I'm speaking about the permanent bureaucracy, has it learned its lesson in your opinion from having talked to the lockdown dissidents, as it were? and has anything changed or is it kind of like, all right, nothing to see you move along and we'll try to do better next time, but we're certainly not going to admit we did anything wrong. How would you judge it right now? Any thoughts on that? Well, I mean, you have a story, and we book on the film of this.

You know, Jay, who was attacked by previous NIH director, is now the director of the NIH and acting director of the CDC. So the leadership changed. I mean, the new, Trump administration clearly wants to take a different path, but it's extremely hard to change permanent bureaucracies. I mean, I served in the first Trump administration running international broadcasting. It's very, very hard. I do not envy the tasks of Jay or RFK Jr. or anybody else trying to change those bureaucracies. I am optimistic that they will make change, but I think it's very hard to do that. And as you just said, it's not just at the federal level. It's the state level and everywhere else. And it's very hard to change in trans bureaucracies. You know, these people,

government bureaucrats, hard to fire, you know, they have strong, they all have the same kind of Fauci-like views, and it's hard to make a change. So I hope that they can make progress. I think it's a very uphill battle. And one final question here in the lockdown dissidents. And I don't know if you approach this or not, but it would be very interesting. What role did pharmaceutical funding and money play into crushing and silencing anybody that came up with something different. Is that approached in the documentary? That would be more of a subject for these vaccines. I mean, I personally think that the most egregious example of that, which you probably may or may not agree with, is that, you know, look, I do believe the vaccines were oversold, but that doesn't mean they weren't a huge achievement of the first Trump administration.

I mentioned I served in. I think he got a vaccine that had some use. It didn't have the use that the Biden administration claimed in record time. And then they delayed the release of vaccine after the election, you know, two weeks, you know, on purpose. I think that's one of the most amazing things. I mean, it might have tipped the election. Well, I was also thinking about like how remdesivir was. was pushed a lot as a treatment protocol.

And the nurses around here in the Rogue Valley hospitals in Southern Oregon would jokingly, I was told this, they would jokingly refer to it, oh, you're giving them run, death is near. Because they knew that what was actually being given to patients at that point was not doing what the health authorities and what the protocols were saying because that Remdesivir seemed to kill as many patients as it would save. and but there was a lot of money that was coming from the federal government to to use that protocol. I was getting at that kind of approach, even the treatment protocols. I think that's the case. I mean, really, yeah, the pharmaceutical companies pressure the government,

but in the end, it's the government that sends out these protocols. And it's the same government scientists that, you know, have their own, you know, wanted to push a particular line for particular reasons. It's the same for the lockdowns. It's the same for COVID-Rigrant. It's the same for the vaccine. And your question is, will it be different again? And I just don't know. I hope it'll be, but I'm not sure.

Michael Pack, the president and CEO of Palladium Pictures, independent film company. We appreciate the independent film work. Something tells me that the major film studios wouldn't want to touch this with a 10-foot pole, would they? That is very true. I'm proud of the Wolf de Journal opinion section of my partners for doing it with me. Michael, I'm proud to get a chance to meet you and talk about this one. So the lockdown dissidents, I'll put all that information up. And you have another one that's in the pipeline in fall again?

Which one's that? We have two coming out. We have one on the withdrawal from Afghanistan. That's coming out at the end of August, the fifth anniversary of the withdrawal from Afghanistan. And one coming out several months later in the fall on the Canadian trucker convoy protesting the cross-border vaccine mandates and their suppression by the Trudeau government. Out of curiosity, is there any talk about? that PBS will take your film, The Lockdown Dissidents at some point? Just curious. Well, I've had like 15 films on PBS that have had a long relationship with them.

We talked to the president of PBS about these Wall Street Journal films. And I don't know, they're interested. They say they're interested, but we have hard, hard to get traction. I mean, I think that, you know, it doesn't fit their preconceptions. And they've done films on COVID and lockdowns. from a different and opposite point of view. That's really interesting. I had a feeling that was going to be the case from PBS because I watched the one that you did on Clarence Thomas, and I just thought that was just such a home run.

It was just a beautiful, beautiful documentary that you did with that. Boy, that was like a career high. I don't know. I shouldn't say that. It's up to you to decide what your career high is, but I just thought it was so good. And it would be interesting. It would have been interesting if PBS was an honest broker

and looked at this documentary the same way that it's worth playing. I hope they do. I mean, maybe your appeal to them will be heard by PBS. I don't know. I hope so. They should. They have a really obligation to reflect a variety of points of view, and they know that,

and they're not doing enough to do it for sure, which is one of the reasons they lost government funding. Well, thank you for sharing about this. Michael Pack, the lockdown dissidents. We'll get all the information up, and be well. We'll have you back. Thank you, Michael. Absolutely.

Thank you very much. Thank you.