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dissidents here a moment ago. It's on your mind. Well, I was calling to talk about the Tartarian race. It used to exist not that long ago, really, up until the 1800s, there were still some around. And there were a civilization of giants. The men were 12 feet tall, and women were 8 big tall. Okay. Where do these people live that I've never heard of here, Jane? Do you want an 8-foot-tall wife. Okay, well, where, is this something which is documented in living here? You said living through the 1800s. Something tells me that we would have noticed these people if they were hanging around. The history has pretty much been, like all history, it's been messed with, and it's been taken from us, and they were, well, they were over here in America doing mining operations. We find

some of their own minds. Well, I'll tell you what, get me a picture or two of the skeletons. I'll get back to you on that, Gene. Okay, but other than that, I'm going to say Tartarian is kind of like the Bigfoot thing. Maybe it exists. Maybe not, though. It's only because we don't know that it's a mystery. All right. Thank you.

Let me go to Tom. Tom's and Talent. Tom, a pleasure always having you on here. I saw you were trying to get in and talk with Michael Pack, the documentary producer, and I forgot to turn on the auto answer. My operator error is there. We can get you on now, though. What's up?

Sure enough. It was a great interview, but he kept referring to it as the whole COVID thing as a mistake. And did you read Margaret Alice's poem? She wrote it and called It Was Not a Mistake, and it's quite a long poem. She's around listening or somebody knows her. I mean, I'd love it if she could actually read her poem. It takes a little while. It's long, but she really goes into the fact that, you know, this was a lot.

is a deliberate program on many levels. And so by referring to COVID, everything had happened that's a mistake, is really, you can't fix something if you don't understand where it's coming from. Are you more or less asserting then, and at least this is the way I've looked at this. I looked at the COVID operation, the lockdowns and the protocols, all the rest of it. I looked at it as a dry run of how compliant, how authoritarian, you know, can we be, how many people will comply with it. And a surprising number of people did. Surprising. Absolutely.

I'm greatly disappointed. I mean, here are people out there. They're taking injections of unknown ingredients that no proof, no proof of effectiveness. They kept saying. Yeah, I know. But to be fair, though, but to be fair. Fear is an amazingly powerful motivator. Oh, absolutely.

It's the best. And that's how all these tyrannical things happen. And the other part that I'm really disappointed in is how compliant our local government was and TV. I mean, the TV, Channel 12 or 5, whatever, the locals, they were saying, oh, the hospitals are full of the unvaccinated. And that was a flat out lie. And yet, and then we have the health director of Jackson County, say, go get your shot, and then they had these big drive-ins. I mean, we have, there's different levels of government. You have the federal, the state, the county, the city, and so forth, and they all went along with it unquestionably.

Yeah, well, the county, just to be clear, though, the county government, county health is more or less just an arm of the Oregon Health Authority. It's all passed through funding. And that pretty much it dances. We pretty much dance to the tune of the state in that respect. It really is. Victims of a, I'll call it, health fascism, because you've got government lined up with the big pharmacy industry. So you have industry and government colluding together to the great detriment of us all.

And it's a horrible thing, and we need to not ever have this happen again. And I agree with you wholeheartedly. And I didn't talk much about what I would. was part, well, I wasn't a part of it, but there were people within my orbit here as a talk show host. And it was the underground Ivermectin Railroad, which is what was going on here. And a lot of the Rogue Valley ended up taking part in this because the shots were not stopping COVID from spreading. It wasn't stopping it. And it wasn't going there.

The hospital protocols were killing people. and I'll just give you one example. And so what a lot of us were doing, we're purchasing Ivermectin on the, from the veterinary supply stores, you know, the injectables, that sort of thing. You could do that. And nobody gave you any trouble about that.

And there were online protocols on how you would drink a certain dosage of it to get the Ivermectin there. And people would check in and a friend would know a friend. Hey, my husband is dying. He knows he's dying. They sent him home from Rogue Valley Medical Center, RRMC,

with an oxygen tank and said, hey, you know, come back if it gets worse. He says, well, he was dying, right? And so they gave him the Ivermectin back at that time in like three or four hours. He wanted to go back to work. Yes. I've heard many stories like that. And it just kept on going and going. And that way, there was also a lot of people who, well, there's an underground dancing scene where you get a couple hundred people in a dance room, no mask, no nothing, and just celebrate life and moving their bodies and so forth.

So there was a lot of underground activity, of course, of which I was a part of trying to tell people what was really going on and so forth. So, but I'm so disappointed in our local government and press and so forth. So I just wanted to say that. Well, I was certainly upset with the way the press handled it because there was very little any kind of alternative view at all. And frankly, even I had to be careful, had to be careful, you know, how we talked about things. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because it was a religious fervor of sorts what we were experienced. Tranecing back then during the Co-Ball.

We haven't seen a fear campaign like that since probably World War II. Yeah, agreed. Tom, I appreciate your call, always thoughtful. And you also being a provider having to deal with the medical bureaucracy. God bless you. Hi, KMEDE. This is Bill. Who's this?

This is Ron here in Medford. Hi, Ron. It's on your mind. Well, that was a good interview. I do have that documentary pulled up. It looks very professional. Unfortunately, I can't watch. it because it's just deja vu from the insanity that we went through.

And as far as the next time, I'll tell you, I'm spotting block cameras all over the city of Medford. So I don't know what our city councilmen are thinking, but, I mean, I'm just flying them everywhere. And you will have no police officer or police agency that questions any of this whatsoever. I think the real challenge for a lot of these flock cameras is that aren't most of them on private property? You know, the last few I just saw were over here by the Walmart and the Great Clips Road,

federal, or not federal anymore, but as I start spotting them, I'm spotting them everywhere. Yeah, I know. But supposedly that keeps us safe, though. Yeah, that's for the next time. I mean, towards the end of your interview you were talking about next time. And see, now we have the flock surveillance system to monitor where people are going to go and travel. Yeah, that's all for the next time. Yeah.

Thank you, Ron. 770KMED. Hey, Conspiracy Theory Thursday. It's what we're talking. Good morning. Hi, who's this? Good morning, Bill. It's Mike Telferi.

How are you doing this morning? Mike, a pleasure. It's on your mind. Well, I wanted to make a comment in regards to your caller, which I thought was excellent in regards to the whole COVID. I call it, of course, the standemic. And I just wanted to give an experience of what I had happened in the City of Grant's past during this. Under Mayor Sarah Bristol's watch, they marched in the medical professionals over from Asante, and they stood in front of our city council and in front of the audience.

were spread six feet apart, so there wasn't many of them. But what they were doing is they got up there and they were just pleading for everyone to get vaccinated and how people were dying left and right in the hospital. And I mean, some of them were literally crying in front of the council and the mayor was just sitting there just lapping that stuff up. And of course, I don't know if you were aware, but the mayor of Grant's task at that time decided to offer. for the citizens of grants pass a $100 gift card if they were willing to go out and put an, I'll just call this, poison into their body. And so, you know, to me, this was probably the most ridiculous thing that I have ever seen. I'm sure every caller or every listener would say the same thing, the most ridiculous thing that we've ever experienced in our entire lifetime.

I've never seen such a thing. I mean, the city councilors were sitting up there on the dais with masks on, but as soon as they grabbed the snack, they could lower their mask and eat. I remember that. Yeah, I remember that. I decided to show up to a city council meeting, and I brought a tray of snacks with me. Of course, my choice of snacks was sunflower seeds. And so the mayor made an announcement, and she said,

everyone needs to put their mask on. And of course, I sat there just chewing my sunflower seeds. And then finally, she looks over at the police chief. And the police chief walks up to me. And he says, Mike, you need to put your mask on. I said, why? I'm eating. I'm enjoying a snack. And I said, they're doing that up on the diet. Why can't I do that? And he said, well, you know you're going to have to put your mask on. He goes, how long are you going to be enjoying your snack? I said, I think I'm going to be enjoying my snack for the entire meeting. Oh, no. You know, you have an interesting. way of tweaking authority, don't you, Mike?

You know what? I love to get under their skin because they are allergic to the absolute truth. They may not like the delivery method in which I employ, but I will tell you this, you will never, ever, ever doubt the actual truth behind it. So, again, the delivery method is my own, but the way they receive it, I don't really care. So with that said, Bill, I wish you a very happy day. Thank you. Thank you for everything that you do for our community and keeping your listeners well educated on the absolute truth that's within our community. Thank you, Bill. All right. Thank you. Doing our best here for sure. 770563. If you're on whole, we'll be right with you. A bit of open phone time here on conspiracy theory Thursday. Conspiracy Theory Thursday was also going to feature Jack Cashel. We're going to talk with Jack Cashel here at about 20 minutes or so. And this has to do with TWA 800, that old conspiracy, the plane which I don't care what the CIA said.

It was shot down by a missile. Yep, over New York. It was, or Long Island or wherever there was at the time. And the Clinton administration covered that up. Now, supposedly, John, and this is what Jack has been writing about in his substack, Jack Haschel. John Gotti Jr., that guy, the son of the mobster, is in his own. involved in possibly blowing the story of the cover up out of the water. And we'll have that story coming up.

At Drake's Paints and Supply, we know your color because we know our community. Now more with Bill Meyer. Continuing the conversation on Conspiracy Theory Thursday, we go off rails a little bit more and delve into maybe some more uncomfortable topics. And nothing more uncomfortable than what happened during COVID time when we look back. and I understand people wanting just to shove it down the memory hole. I really do. I think as citizens, we have a duty to not let that happen.

It's why I had Michael Pack on last hour, Michael Pack, a documentary filmmaker and working with the Wall Street Journal, the lockdown dissidents, and going through the crushing of any dissent what happened and how the nation and certainly the medical and political bureaucracy just lost its mind. Or did it lose its mind? or just go into the hive mind of globalism and authoritarianism.

It's hard to say. But, eless to say, people reacting to that talk, Wild Sam and Steve is here. Steve, good to have you here on political or on conspiracy theory Thursday. Good morning. Hey, Bill. Good morning. There's a theme here, so let me tie it together. I got that Neal's Gravillius book yesterday evening.

Me too. I received mine yesterday, started reading, and I love it. What did you think? Oh, I thought it was great. He joined the Army. His mother wanted him to go to college or go to Dartmouth or something, I think. Yeah. He joined the Army and his comment about Ivy, you know, the education system.

Okay. Can I share that quote, the quote? Yes. He looks at the Ivy League as, I can't say the word, but Adam Henry Factory, you know. I really just laughed at that. I laughed out loud when he said it's what the Ivy League has turned into in this country. Yes, okay. And so he's talking about how things have gotten corrupted.

And to follow through with that, the COVID thing was started, I think, you know, if you go deeper into it, because Trump was really squeezing China. and that that came from China, I kind of think they released it on purpose. I don't know. What was the international agency that was pushing the drug thing? What who? World health organization? World health, yes.

And Fauci was way into that. So, you know, the liberals hated Trump, so they were happy to go right along with it. I think it was really a bigger conspiracy than even once you're talking about. Hmm. I ultimately looked at it as I'm still thinking that, especially when we look at the reduction in human fertility since the time of the COVID vaccine inoculations, and you look at how human fertility has continued, just plummeted, went, no, off the charts down after that. It has really affected the family. That's it.

of families, whether it's a genetic modification or not, the ability to produce children depends on the formation of families. But ultimately, the nasty elite side of a human society has always wanted fewer of us. Yes, well, there's too many of us rabble that take up too much space so they can't have their fun things without having to deal with us. Yes. Yeah. Thanks for the call, Steve. Let me go to Lauren.

Lauren, you wanted to weigh in with what your late wife experienced during COVID time, right? Back in 22, it was mid-bay. We had to go to the hospital because she was having a lot of pain. And we checked in and AR and they come up and they say, well, we got to take COVID test. Well, go ahead. She's okay. Come back. Yeah, she's got COVID.

No, no, she doesn't have COVID. but so I actually she was in hospital about four days and I went out and got some home home COVID test gave her two different ones at different times and both of them showed she did not have COVID but my opinion coach ended up with pancreatic cancer oh and I lost her about nine months later but that was in 23 April the 6th 23 did you ever have any suspicion about that Lauren given that there was extra bonus money coming from the federal government, if a patient tested positive with COVID. Did you ever wonder about that, given your wife's experience?

She really didn't have COVID. She had something else. Definitely. And that's really why I'm calling because that's kind of the conspiracy theory of the day. Yeah, they did have, they were getting extra money. Every time they wrote down COVID on an entry thing, more money came from the feds. And so, yeah, and we made it through, of course, but she was putting confinement for six days. He's up on the sixth floor, and nobody could come visit her or anything.

And so that's my memory, as you guys were talking about, I was not walking while you guys were talking. And so I want to, you know, let you know. I thank you for sharing that. Thank you, Lauren. By the way, Dan Rayfield, the Attorney General put out a press release. I don't have it in front of me right now. I'm just doing this from memory right now. But he's very proud that he has taken the, there was one COVID test manufacturer that he took to court, I guess.

and they were overcharging patients like $1,000 COVID test, $300 to $1,000 a COVID test. I would have been happier with Dan Rayfield, who would have actually just sued the bureaucracy, including the Oregon Health Authority for its authoritative crushing of dissent during COVID, but I guess that's too much to expect of the D.A. I'm sorry, of the Oregon Attorney General, the AG, not the D.A. DA's local attorney general. There we go.

Dave's here. Hello, Dave. Conspiracy Theory Thursday. What's going on? Well, I was going to say it's ducking during COVID. I was having an infection. Yeah, I'm sorry. You're going to have to try to work that cell phone. I know I've had you on hold here for a little bit, but try to... Is that better? Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, anyway, so the doctor had my... Yeah, I'm sorry. It's not working. Dave, we need to get a cell phone tower installed out in your neighborhood.

That's all there is to it. It's, it'll work there for a while and then it doesn't. Can we do this? Can we do this spectrum or AT&T or U.S. cellular? It's not U.S. cellular any longer, right? What is it? Verizon. Can me get the Verizon network out with Dave? Can somebody do that? Here's my conspiracy theory. 725. You know the moment food shows up. Everyone gathers around and within minutes,

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We'll delve down to a mind-blowing, well, could be a blowing wide open of the TWA 800 conspiracy from back during the Clinton administration. but of course, you know, lie upon, lie upon lie, tends to get built. But I had a weird, I don't know if there's a conspiracy theory thing or not. Maybe it's just, maybe it's just, you know, God or the Lord protecting me a little bit. But I had a situation happen. In fact, if you're looking at me, you're looking at my hands and I got purple on my fingers and things like that. I had to do a little bit of plumbing work at the house yesterday.

And you know how much I love plumbing because I jokingly, and I, and I'm, I'm serious when I say the reason why plumbers are really expensive because they're worth it. But when it comes to the irrigation, like, you know, the sprinklers and things, I'll do my own. I'll take the Schedule 40 and glue it together and all the rest of it. And it's amazing what pipe cement is like for Schedule 40 piping. Plumbers probably know this, but maybe everybody else does. It's kind of like ice cream. You know, a three-year-old with ice cream, you give a three-year-old ice cream cone,

and then one drop of ice cream will spread to every. every surface inside the car, if you give a kid ice cream cone. You know how that works, right? That's the way it is with me and pipe cement. So I'm glued a couple of things together, so there's cement on my fingers, and then there ends up being cement in my beard that I haven't yet to cut out this morning. And I had a little bit of my hair. I had some on my car heart yesterday.

I'm going like, what the heck? What the heck happened? But anyway, the protection side of it was that I had a couple weeks ago during all the problems, I had a valve go bad, and so I used couplers to connect the sprinkler valve to the irrigation system. And they were holding just fine, but they were like rubber O-ring type things that would squeeze the pipe. And I thought, okay, well, I'm going to glue this together and make a more permanent fix at some other time, right? Started getting hot. And so I had a dream the other night.

It was last night or the night before last, I had a dream of the geyser, of like a geyser in the front yard, right? And then it was just spraying on everything and just really bad. I had this dream. And then I woke up on Wednesday morning and I shut off the water going to the irrigation system because I had that dream, that dream about the geyser. And it was the weirdest thing. I came home last night.

All right, I'm going to test this. I'm going to glue this system back together. And I told my wife Linda that I was going to do this after dinner, right? And I was going to take that valve out and I'm going to put it in and make a proper repair. But I had turned the water off in the meantime. So it hadn't had water for like a day, day and a half. And then I turned the water back on. I just wanted to see, you know, what it was like, even though everything looked fine before.

I turned the water back on and then all of a sudden, the valve blew and the water was just a geyser everywhere and I just immediately shut it off and I was thinking to myself I had a dream that that was kind of like foreshadowing this I don't know maybe it's my subconscious realizing that you know you got to get a more permanent a more permanent repair and I got the permanent repair in last night which like I said I explained I'm half covered in in cement this morning but that was a weird one and I woke up that morning, like I said, on Wednesday and turned off the, you know, I'm not going to trust this. I'm not going to trust this because of the dream.

And then I turned it back on and it blew out right then. I was not able to handle the pressure for whatever reason. So I don't know if that's a conspiracy theory of some sort, but it was a dream conspiracy. I just thought there was an interesting experience, if nothing else, all right? Jack Cashel, though, is going to share his story, though. TWA Flight 800 update on that. and if Carmelo ended up getting the talk from his parents, he got the wrong kind of talk,

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and conspiracy. And there is actually an update on that. Jack Cashel, welcome back to the show. Good to hand you on. Hey, Bill. Yeah, thanks for having me. In fact, you know, one day I used to be called a conspiracy theorist. Now I'm the bane of conspiracy theories, theorist, because I draw the line at things that

don't make any sense. Yeah, what are some things that don't make sense to you in your opinion? I'd say that, okay, right off the top, big one. And probably the litmus test of conspiracy theorizing is that 9-11. was an inside job. You know, that there was thermite bombs or whatever planted throughout the buildings and they imploded from within and not the, you know, et cetera. Yeah, so a lot of people are, a lot of people are really going to be upset at you.

Okay. So I know. I get there. Right off the bat. But that's all right. But, you know, you got to pick and choose your conspiracies. But the thing is, though, it is, it is, in fact, it is just obvious, though, with TWA 800, that it was always a set up, especially a government, a government psychological

op for sure when the CIA got involved. In fact, you might have I bring on Deplorable Patrick. He wanted to talk with you because he's been involved in the airline world here, and he had a lot to say about this. And Patrick, you're on with Jack Cashel. Normally we don't have a caller on early with the guests, but you fire away. Go ahead. Well, thank you, deplorable Patrick here.

I pay attention to things regarding airlines and accidents and things regarding Boeing. And one thing we know from physics is that in order to have an explosion, if you have a spark, if the atmosphere inside the tank is way too rich with the vapors of the diesel and there's not enough oxygen, it won't explode. But beyond that, what I'm thinking is why, it's very strange that Boeing never protested this explosion in the tank. But if we go with the idea that there was an explosion in the tank, how come about 400 different people aren't suing over it?

It's very mysterious to me. You know something that's a really good question? Did you ever approach that, Jack? And the oxygen thing, of course, is just basic physics, too. It was always nonsense the way it was sold. But, I mean, for starters, Boeing was in talks with the McDonald-Douglas about merging, right? And at that time, the Justice Department was reviewing it for, you know, conflict of interest or monopolizing or whatever. You have to remember the same Justice Department had just rejected a merger deal between Office Depot and Staples that would have, you know, between them, we got 4% of the office supply market.

So that in the Clinton Justice Department, merger movement were contingent on playing ball with the DOJ. Oh, okay. That explains their rationale. But, and TWA was, it was, was all. also compromised for a comparable reason. But the, yeah, they, but he's right about the explosion. You know, in the history, would have we, we've been flying 747s now for, I think, 60 years. It never was before and never has been since a mid-air explosion of, you know, spontaneous.

In fact, so I don't think there's been a mid-air explosion of any major airline in the jet A fuel era, you know, where they're using was the equivalent of kerosene. It doesn't happen. The NTSB spent four years trying to find a plausible scenario to vindicate themselves and to justify this theory, but they never did. You know, they'd end up using like, oh, just, you know, like totally incendiary devices, replacing the jet A fuel and blowing up planes. And then the CIAM animation.

to any person that knows anything about how planes fly, you know, that the nose blows off from the explosion in the wing from the spark, right? And the nose, what, the nose kept going higher, right? Or it kept flying or no, the, the body of the plane kept going higher in the CIA scenario. Oh, yeah. The nose falls off. And it ascends more than 3,000 feet, noseless plane. Aviators just left this, they thought it was just preposterous first time they saw it. It was only shown once on TV. I know. But the part that cracks me up, though, is that there are people that I'll watch on YouTube, Jack, that are well-known, like mentor pilot.

He's a Swedish pilot that did this, and I normally really respect him. But he was all down with what the CIA said. I'm thinking, you're a pilot. You know how to fly 747s. You know the nose doesn't disappear, and then the rest of the plane just goes up in the air another 3,000 feet. It doesn't work that way, ever. But the first question, Bill, he should have been asking, what's the CIA do involved in doing with a domestic airplane crash, you know?

Uh-huh. Yeah, exactly. Why is the CIA overseeing this whole investigation? And this was really about politics because Bill Clinton was going for re-election, right? That was really what this was all about. And the last thing we needed was the U.S. Navy accidentally shooting down a domestic airliner, right? That's the bottom. Exactly.

Okay. Right. Several months. before the election. You had a comparable scenario with Benghazi in 2012. You know, the last thing you need is a national security disaster and the brink of an election. So you kick the can down the road past November. The cover-up was totally improvised and it kept shifting and they're playing for time.

But then once you start kicking that can, you can't uncick it. You know, you can't say, oh, it's one thing and then it's not another thing. So once they settled on a mechanical failure, they had to spend the next four years trying to justify that conclusion. And it was a false conclusion. And they knew it from hour one, right? They knew it from hour one. You know, the challenge with, the problem with lying, though, is that you have to remember

how you lied in the past and then keep building up the lie and everything else. Anyway, but your latest substack, though, it's Jack Heschel's, uh, Jack's Substack, it's what it's called, on substack.com. You're actually bringing in the son of mobster John Gotti. And you're saying that John Gotti Jr. has knowledge now that is possibly going to blow open the TWA Flight 800 conspiracy and cover up. And that is just astounding. When you look into this, does it have to do with the FBI investigations of dad or maybe him? What happened?

What did you find out? But, you know, this is really, to me, it was like a mind-boggling day. You know, I had gotten an email from these people from Arts in the A&A, the TV network. And they were doing a documentary called the Gotti tapes. And I hadn't, you know, under the server heading that I, they first contact me and said, TWA 800, which got my attention. Sure. And they said, you know, we'd like.

to do a phone interview with you as sort of a prelude to a sit-down interview about this one particular FBI agent named Ted Otto. And I knew, I didn't know much about Ted Otto, but this interview, this conversation I would have opened my eyes. What happened? So, like a week ago, I'm in my office. The call comes in on time as scheduled. And I'm thinking I'm talking to this guy Steve, who's one of the producers. And instead, I say, hey, this is Jack Cashel and the boiler end said, hi, this is John Gotti. I'm thinking, John Gotti. The dapper Don, right? The dapper Don. I mean, I knew he had died. You know, the dapper Don had died about 25 years ago. So I'm just, and I'm thinking, did I understand that right, John Gotti? So I'm just,

as playing for time, I said, John, tell me a little bit more about. yourself. It turns out he used John Gotti Jr. The son of John Gotti. He had been the reputedly the acting head of the Gambino family while his father was in prison. Now, didn't he actually leave

the mob or, you know, yes. Okay. And that's his claim. And he said that in, you know, he served seven years in prison, 92 to 99 for, you know, various racketeering charges. And then he told me that he had, you know, his father was still alive. He asked his permission to leave the family business. And the father granted it.

He said he just wanted to live out. He was, you know, he felt guilty about abandoning his family for seven years, moved out to Long Island, you know, ran some legitimate businesses and settled down to a quiet suburban life. And then this guy named FBI agent named Ted Otto, who was deeply involved in the, uh, the anti-mob squad for the New York City FBI Bureau. you know, became his personal Javert. You know, he had a, Godi in his eyes. He was going to go get him. And he began, he had him indicted on a, you know,

a series of conspiracy charges dating back 20 years. And he put them through the Southern District of New York. He got three trials, consecutive trials, on these same charges. And each trial came back as mistrial, you know, hung juries. Then he found a venue in Florida, ran another one that Otto did. And same result in this trial.

So Godi is convinced that Otto is corrupt and that he had doctored evidence in these trials to get him before the jury, right? And then he pointed me to Otto's role in the TWA 800 investigation.

And then as I looked into it, I realized that he was totally onto something that I had kind of overlooked, you know, partly because, you know, in the CIA documents I had to help unravel what actually happen, they don't mention names. There's a two-man FBI team, a missile team. And one of the guys on the missile team, I was able to identify through a contact of Raytheon. And his name is Steve Bondgard and he's the hero of the story because he fought the CIA tooth and nail on its, you know, BS scenario. Yeah, the animation that they put on the news, yeah. But he also shows up, again, he must have been living a pretty harried life. And Lawrence Wright, who's a, you know,

well-known Pulitzer Prize winning author, wrote a book about 9-11 called The Looming Tower. And Bondgart was the hero of that book. He was trying to alert the FBI to the fact that what would proved to be one of the 19 terrorists was running loose in the United States and they weren't doing anything about it because of the alleged wall between intelligence gathering and prosecution. But in any case, the CIA, once I realized that Otto was the other agency, the other agent in these documents, Otto bought in completely, the CIA boasted into their scenario, but Vanguard resisted with a lot of very serious questions. Like, how do you explain away these witnesses?

The most critical of whom was witness 73, who was a woman who saw everything in perfect detail from the beach, as close as she could be. She was in the travel business. She understood what she was seeing. And she saw what she knew was a missile rise up to TWA 800, right? That's right. And she was one of probably 100.

of the Bond Gardenado within a couple weeks had discovered, according to the CIA, 144 excellent eyewitnesses, their term, to what was undoubtedly a missile strike. These were not clowns. These were not, these were trustworthy people, good people, smart people, and just right with it, right, and honest from the looks of it. Right. And, you know, this is the south shore of Long Island, too. You know, you know, it's these people, not that wealthy people are necessarily,

better witnesses, but they have less reason to deceive. And so what happened with Witness 73 then, the very same day that Bongard had this head-to-head meeting with the CIA, a 302 entered her file, Witness 73's file, in which it described a second interview. and in the second interview, Witness 73 said, oh, she was drinking Long Island iced teas that evening. Maybe she didn't see what she thought she saw. Her memory is kind of fuzzy, blah, blah, blah. Oh, okay.

So this was a FBI document saying essentially casting doubt on Witness 73 who said, yes, this was a missile strike, right? Right. Okay. And so just to jump forward a little bit, in 2009, this is. You know, eight years after my first documentary on a subject and seven years after the book, I get a call from Witness 73 out of the blue. And she says, Jack, this is Witness 73. You know who I am?

I said, yeah, sure I do. Upside down, Nike swoosh. You're the best eyewitness of the mall. And then I said, but tell me about the second interview you did, you know, like six months later. And she goes, well, first of all, she said, I don't know what a Long Island iced tea is, you know. she had gotten a hold of a you know they had been posted online the interview and she goes second of i said could it be another drink she says no i don't drink i don't drink alcohol at all and then she goes the real kicker there was no second interview they made this up out a whole cloth so how did a

second interview of witness of witness 73 that didn't happen how did this FBI form get in there then do we know well just where i was being a little ignorant i thought the CIA made it up But now that I see, now that Goddy opened my eyes to the possibility, the very real possibility, that Ted Otto was capable of manufacturing evidence. And it makes much more sense for him to have made that up on the very day that his partner was fighting with the CIA, resisting their scenario, and just dropping it into the file. And because on the people who did this interview, and the interview is dated to the same day as the meeting, where Ted Otto and Steve Bongard. Bondgarde is meeting with the CIA in Washington. Meanwhile, he's in North Carolina interviewing number 73.

I mean, it was just, it is the most conspicuous flaw, the most vulnerable point, and the whole cover-up. In other words, if someone could get Otto under the same. the road and say, okay, tell us what happened, right? Now, or you want to make a deal with Otto right from the jump, you know, but, and again, I can't prove all of this absolutely, but the evidence is so, the breadcrumbs here are so compelling. Boy, there's at least some probable cause there to talk to Agent Otto. Is he still in the FBI or has he retired since that time? You know, I had a hard time figuring that out. I believe he's still in. I mean, this was 30 years ago, so he'd be at least, you know, 60 now.

But he was pretty diehard. And, you know, it's odd. As much as the Internet can tell you about people, I haven't been able to follow his trail past the last few years. What an interesting development that a son of a mobster and kind of a mini mobster of his own who had experience with the same guy suspects hankiness with his dealings with this guy. And then we find out that it appears to be the same FBI agent that would appear to have planted a false witness story in the TWA 800, which, of course, supported the narrative that, no, there wasn't a missile strike that brought it down.

And there was the magic fuel tank explosion from a spark. That's it perfectly. Perfectly described there, Bill. Wow. And the great irony of all would be if Idaho is called the Trump. in a trial to rat out the people who commissioned him to do this. This wasn't his idea, clearly. Yeah, it's an agent following orders from higher up the deep state food chain, really.

That's exactly right. And I don't care about Otto per se. You know, he's a, there were several other people at his level who were functionaries in this coverup, who didn't know the whole big picture, I'm sure. but it's the people at the top who were calling the shots that I'd really like to find out who and what they knew. It's a 30-year anniversary next month. Yeah, July 17th, I think, is when it happened. That's correct, right.

So it's time to close this window. You know, obviously, Cash Patel has a to-do list that is a mile long already, you know. By the way, speaking of Cash Patel, how do you think he's been effective at trying to steer this massive state of, of deep state, you know, to something of some more transparency and accountability. You think he's doing okay with that? Any opinion? I can't think of anyone who could do better, honestly.

Really? Yeah, I mean, he gets a bad rap. I do not understand why. You know, he was the one who almost single-handedly busted the Russia conclusion plot when he was working on the House subcommittee. Yeah, it's such a mess. There's so much to undo. And at the same time, you know, there's so much to do proactively, like, you know,

going after criminals, which is the FBI's, you know, John. Yeah. I mean, I don't think that the 20% drop in homicides last year was an accident. That's incredible. That was an incredible decline. And a lot of it has to do with, A, closing the border and B, locking up bad guys. And again, you know, everyone has their pet conspiracy. the thing that they want the FBI to unravel now, right? You have election fraud. You have

January 6th. You know, you have so many things that are, you have Russia collusion, which is really at the height of that, the top of that list. And that one, I believe, will be brought into, you know, I think it will be, I think there'll be indictments before the end of the year. Jack, by the way, author Jack Cashel with me this morning, Jack's substack is what we're talking about his latest posting or one of his latest posts, what John Gotti knows about TWA Flight 800 and it's just, like I said, fascinating. We just talked about some of the high points here. What do you think would happen? How would it be approached in this country if it were to be just absolutely admitted? Because the evidence that this is just so dead bang that this was a missile.

strike and not a fuel tank explosion, what do you think would happen in the country as far as would restore trust or just make us question even more, you think? I think it would make us more cynical rather than less, because here's what happened is that the major media would deny it or ignore it, right? So if Ted Otto were to come out and say, listen, I was ordered by the Clinton DOJ for national security reasons to take the possibility of a missile strike off the table. And that's what they'd say. They wouldn't say, I mean, Ted Otto wasn't probably doing this to get Clinton reelected. He was probably doing it. He, I imagine, believed that he was protecting national security secrets or some such thing, you know.

If that came out, there'd be a collective yawn from the major media. And some sense of vindication for those of us and I'm still in contact with family members, you know, who lost loved ones on the plane, who are waiting for some just admission of the truth, if nothing else. What John Gotti knows about TWA fly down the 800, get that on Jack's substack. Jack, before we take off, a brief mention here of the Carmelo Anthony post here, the talk. Yeah. Because, you know, I am amazed at the tribalism that we're hearing from many, black politicians in the United States of America right now trying to explain away getting

stabby with the kid at the track meet here and I'm just maybe I shouldn't be astounded with it. What is your overall take? Well, you know, they had, I'm sure, hope that Carmelo Anthony's conviction, which they were hoping for, the activists were, would stir like George Floyd moments, you know. But it hasn't happened because this. story is so transparently, he's transparently guilty. The, and so his conviction is, you know, there's been more rioting over Nick victories in New York than there is over Carmelo Anthony. Great game last night, by the way. And the, so it's, I think it's disappointed them.

I, it doesn't have, what, what's happened in the six years since George Floyd is they so debased the currency of racism that it doesn't have the triggering effect that it did just, you know, six years ago. Interesting. And they've devalued their own currency. You know, that is really an interesting statement, Jack Heschel. You know why? Because it reminds me of, I remember there was this little Jewish woman that was being interviewed

or being attacked by some clown, probably an NYU student in New York City right now, during the George Floyd thing. And the NYU students was calling this little woman racist. She says, Oh, you're calling me racist. Is that all you've got? And I always remember that.

So it's almost what we're looking at this in the entire country. The entire culture now is kind of like, okay, racism, really? Okay. You know, snore? You know, the one man most responsible for fighting this tide of, you know, of racial, you know, injustice.

Who? Elon Musk. Elon Musk. Absolutely. You know, when he posted, for instance, when he, the images of the guy trying to behead the man in the streets of Belfast, right? The European powers of beer trying to sue him, block him.

They're outraged that he would show that, right? Because their goal, their goal in Europe as in the United States, the media and in Europe, it's even more so, is to suppress all negative images that might trigger an uprising from the white and the, you know, people of color who are, you know, who can see clearly, you know. So it's a really fascinating. You follow this on Twitter, Bill. I'm sure you do.

Yeah. How the tide is turning here. Last week, for instance, the at the Minnesota GOP state convention, they had a moment of silence for Derek Chauvin. You're kidding me. No. That would have been unthinkable, you know, a few years ago. You want to talk about a political prisoner. To say that we don't have political prisoners in this country, no, Derek Chauvin is. Yeah. Clearly. And, you know, the Ellison and a couple others wanted to make a big stink about it, but I think they were afraid that the more exposure that Chauvin gets, the more people will realize how tragically he was railroaded, you know, on the altar of diversity, you know.

Yeah. Well, you have to, you know, bend the knee, right? Got to bend the knee on the floor of the Capitol. All right. Jack, a treasure, I appreciate what you're doing over there on your substack and with your books, too. And by the way, what John Gotti knows about TWA Flight 800 and, of course, the Carmelo post that we were talking about. You'll find out more on Jack Substack.

You just go to substack.com and just search Jack Cashel, right? That's all you got to do. That's it. All right. Yeah, I appreciate it. I'm zeroing in on my 5,000 subscribers. So if you're the lucky one, you'll get a add-a-boy from me. All right.

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