Bill Meyer Show Podcast - Sponsored by Clouser Drilling www.ClouserDrilling.com - 06-12-25_THURSDAY_6AM

Episode Date: June 12, 2025

Morning news and headlines, Dr. Bruce Everett from the CO2 coalition gives a great talk, the non-science CO2 science lies spread, and much more. Some emails, social posts, too.

The Bill Meyer Show podcast is sponsored by Clouser Drilling. They've been leading the way in southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Clouser Drilling.com. Here's Bill Meyer. It's 11 minutes after six on Conspiracy Theory Thursday. If you heard a good one, good conspiracy 7705633770KMED. You can join the early morning riser commenter club. It's I find it fascinating. It's like

a lot of our regulars will end up checking in between 6, 6.30. Maybe that's when you know, you got a little coffee coursing your veins and you're thinking, hey, why not get in there? Well, of course, you can sometimes get a little bit guest heavier as time goes on. We will have some really good guests this morning. Bruce Everett is going to be joining me this morning and we're going to be talking about the push and there's been a lot of talk within the business world. I've been checking business blogs and various situations that in spite of the fact that Oregon is saying we are going to go carbon free by 2030 or 2035 or whatever communist date has been more or less brought out there. The pace of oil and gas exploration is

exploding and some of that I think is due to some Supreme Court decisions that have peeled back or told the EPA no you just can't just say no to something. And the market is actually looking at it. There's one county in Wyoming, and this is what I'm going to talk with Bruce Everett about here in just a little bit, 5,000 projects just in this one county in Wyoming, just one little county in Wyoming, 5,000 projects. Now of course they've already been pretty big on oil and gas there, but I think this may be the beginning of a trend. I just thought we would mention that so I'm going to talk to him about that. And also, Kerry Lutz is going to join me and he's the host of the...what is it? The Financial Survival Network, I think. He

works a lot with Martin Armstrong. And he had a very interesting take on how artificial intelligence actually helped the Trump administration greatly in the 2024 election. It's like going through the post-mortem of what happened. I mean, of course, it helped that you had a really lousy Democrat running against him, but I thought that was interesting interesting and there's some other news that he wanted to bring in here too. Danny Jordan the Jackson County Administrator will be joining the program here by phone 810 this morning and we wanted to talk about the ladies budget, big budget, big projects too in the works here including the expansion of the Rogue Valley

International Airport here so So pretty big stuff. We'll dig into that along with your calls and opinion. I don't know if we'll have Diner 62 quiz. Diner 62 quiz may be tomorrow, but we'll have other things to give you too, including baseball tickets to the Medford Rogues. We'll have some fun. 13 minutes after 6, and before we get to the phones,

and believe me, we will get to the phones, I mentioned the early morning risers club here, big story is Dutch Bros quitting Oregon and leaving and moving their corporate headquarters to Arizona. Now this is something which has been sort of a slow motion walk and now it is officially been announced and this has

been going on for quite some time and when we first started getting an inkling of this a while back I reached out to Travis Boersma of course the you know one of the founders and I have never been able to get him on the show for whatever reason and so what I was listening to Lars yesterday and Lars was talking about that we're gonna get him there. And so I call up Herman. I know that Herman Bärtschiger is a friend of Travis. And I said, you think there's any way you could put it a good word? I've never been able to get Travis Borzma to return my call.

Now I don't know if it's just what that deal is. And Herman told me more or less words to the effect that Travis likes to stay away from the controversy. He likes to keep it positive. He likes to deal away from the controversy, he likes to keep it positive. He likes to deal with the positive stuff and so I thought that was kind of interesting. Never been able to talk to him for whatever reason. But it's a blow I think to Oregon.

It was the number two most valuable business and very symbolic I think of what's going on with the state of Oregon. And I have some other stories I wanted to touch on in which business people have been reaching out to the state for years and saying, listen, you're really not helping a lot when it comes to business and I'll share more of that here in just a moment. Quarter after six though, let me head over to the first line here. It's Conspiracy Theory Thursday and you're the first of the Early Morning Riser's Club. Who's this? Good morning. Hey Bill, Deplorable Patrick here. Am I the

one? You are the one. You are the one. Yeah, we got to give you a medal. The Early Morning Riser Commenter Club. We could come up with something more elegant. We'll have to figure out some. I'll tell you about elegant. I'm calling from the Bill Meyer Show Callers Hall of Fame, you know. That's true. We did talk about that and I have done nothing about that. The Bill Meyers Caller Hall of Fame. Lucretia would have to join you on that too. Okay. She would and you don't have to worry. It'll eventually take on a life of its own.

So what's on your mind this Thursday here Patrick, deplorable Patrick? Well, I'll be fast but I won't be shy. I've been watching, I get a lot of my news on YouTube before Bill Meyers show starts and they're talking about this loony lady by the name of Christy Walton. Oh yeah, one of the one of the Walmart people that ended up getting a lot of money from Sam Walton's Walmart after he died, right? He's worth a lot of money. His husband was one of the Walmart people and he died, and so she's worth about $17 billion now, and she's apparently sending money to these rioters in LA because she's anti-Trump.

And I just wondered what your opinion would be. What do you think would be wrong with bringing her tail feathers into court and charging her as an accessory to those crimes that are going on down there? Well, it depends. I've seen various social media posts there and I have not really looked deeply into it, Patrick, and I'm sorry about that. In fact, I first... someone sent that to me. Certainly you've seen this and it's like, no, I hadn't because I'm looking at other sources.

But as far as sending money, sending money to what specifically though? Because usually billionaires are not so stupid enough to send money to... By the way, we're sending money so that you can buy bricks and graffiti the courthouse. You know what I'm getting at? It's usually sly. It's usually there about, well, it's here to help migrants and to help families of migrants and things like that. Usually that's how that ends up being couched. You see what I'm getting at? That sort of thing where you have plausible deniability even though you may know it's really going

to pay for bricks and other stuff. I don't know. What do you think? I don't really have an opinion of it yet. It might be worth investigating and don't hold her harmless just because she's famous and rich. Oh no, I'm not holding her harmless. I'm just saying that generally speaking, these are the sort of things that get people on social media frothing at the mouth, but then there's usually... The one that guy will normally say is that someone with that kind of money and influence

is usually not an idiot Well at least not totally in it. They have an idiot political lens, but are not usually You know what I'm getting at that sort of thing. They're usually lawyers around that will say all right You know, Mrs. Walmart to air of a risk or whatever your name is here And isn't there isn't there some connection to some farm? Someone was telling me about Rusty Gate Farms. Is that something around here in Southern Oregon? I've never heard of the farm, you know?

Yeah, it's out there on Upton Road. Dwight Hefner has that, and he farms cattle out there. Oh, okay, now does she own that? Because other people were saying that, and I don't wanna throw any farmer under the bus on something like this for something that somebody else might be doing. Does she own it somehow or what's the connection?

I've not heard anything about that. I've not heard one word, but let's go back a little bit. I didn't mean to say that you would hold her harmless. I meant just as a general blast out there statement, don't hold her harmless. I meant just as a general blast out there statement, don't hold her harmless. I'm talking about general in general terms. I know you wouldn't. Oh yeah. All right. All I'm getting at here is I would venture a guess that the paying for the real nefarious stuff going on is likely not out the, you know, out in the above board contributions to CHRPA or those other kind of, you know, migrant sort of things.

You know, they're going to hide behind the cleanliness of that and other stuff is probably coming through dark funds, I would figure. Okay? There is some good news and that is the Walmart board has denounced her said she doesn't make a decision. She's not on the board. She's on her own. We don't endorse what she's doing and Walmart itself is pro-Trump. And that is one of those situations we have to keep in mind.

And I really do wish though that the Sam Walton family in the early part of this had decided, had figured out who we're going to leave money to, who were the idiots and who were going to fight against our company. Wouldn't that have been great? Smart back in the day, be careful about who you, you know, toss off your inheritance to. What do you say?

You're very insightful, far more so than I am. Oh, I don't know about that. I appreciate you calling though. You be well. I gotta get going Bill, thanks much. I'll be tuned in. Alright, Deplorable Patrick. Bill Meyer, caller, Hall of Fame. Hi, good morning. This is Bill. Who's this? This is the Crazy Gene guy.

You know, you should be another member of the Hall of Fame. So there we go. How you doing there, Gene? Good to have you on. I'm doing fine. I mean, I hope I'm doing as good as you. Yeah, between Deplorable Patrick, Lucretia, now Crazy Gene, go ahead. What's on your mind? Well, I was just watching YouTube last night and they were talking, the Y-Files were talking about the fact that how many people that created inventions, patent stuff stuff ended up dead shortly thereafter. Okay. In other words, implying that there are entrenched interests that look at an invention and say, okay, we want to make sure that this doesn't really go against our business model.

The last thing you do is call the FBI and tell them what you got. All right, well, here's the thing that I would suggest, though. I just want to finally get a hold of the guy who supposedly ever was going out there and putting the pill in the gas tank and then you'd fill it with water and then you had gasoline. Remember that back in the day? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

And everyone would say... It was probably legitimate, too. Oh, I don't know about that. And then people would call up and say, yes, yeah, and there would say it was probably legitimate too. Oh, I don't know about that And then people would call up and say yes Yeah, and there was this carburetor there we give everybody 400 miles or 400 miles per gallon on your Cadillac or something And I would okay fine, you know, whatever I also heard about zero point energy Base is not empty and it's loaded with energy

I mean, it's everywhere. And whoever taps that could be...well actually whoever taps it would end up not making a whole lot of money because I would imagine that whatever will really make zero-point energy a reality. And actually if it could be, I know that the physicists say that zero-point energy, which of course would be essentially tapping the energy of the universe, would just be, I mean, what an amazing human good, unless you're talking about tapping zero-point energy so we could have the data farms data-basing us and monitoring every move we make but I digress, you know, I'm just saying there's positive and a negative Thank you very much crazy gene. Always a pleasure and here's to

Zero point energy six twenty three at KMED ninety nine three KBXG Ashland police cracking down on e-bikes Have you heard about that? That was just a story. I was reading on kobi last night here. They're stepping up enforcement. I was wondering when this was going to happen. Have you wondered when they were going to start going after the e-bikes? I've noticed that there has just been a... First off, we have this insane trend of somehow bombs getting ahold of the e-bikes too. I don't

know if they steal them or whatever the case might be, but you'll see them speeding at 30 miles an hour down on sidewalks. I see that happen a lot in and going past the pedestrians and causing a little bit of mayhem. I'm surprised there hasn't been a lot of crackdown on that, but I live on Viewpoint Drive in Medford out East Medford over by Foothill. And ever since they punched that through a while ago, a few months ago, and connected both sides of Viewpoint once they ended up doing a housing development in there, I have been astounded at the number of speeding e-bikes going through the neighborhood and the e-bike dirt bikes.

And according to KOBI, police in Ashland are stepping up enforcement surges in illegal electric dirt bikes. So they have the electric dirt bikes, people going up and down on public streets. And even on my street in East Medford, there are a couple of dads that are always driving their kids on the regular gas-powered dirt bikes. Unlicensed, no licenses. I've seen kids also riding their dirt bikes up and down. Now I know that there was always a little bit of this that was going on, but I think the electric dirt bike trend is something which has just been exploding, apparently. And cops are saying that parents are allowing unlicensed

kids to operate the motorcycles on public street could be facing enforcement action as well so the crackdown is finally coming on the electric dirt bikes but now as far as electric dirt bikes though with the the homeless or something well no that's okay you can't do anything about that because well reasons being a little sarcastic. You get my drift, right? This is the Bill Meyer Show. Hi, I'm Deb with Father and Son Jury and I'm on KMED. Dutch Bros takes off going to Arizona and I guess taking the money with them. Oh, well,

that's kind of sad. You know, I know it's a huge business, but I'm just at this point where I drink so much of my own coffee, it's a lot cheaper. I never go to the coffee barns, you know, all the outhouse-sized buildings everywhere. I think I only get maybe one, maybe two coffees out in the coffee barn industry, you know, everything from Human Bean to Dutch Bros and all the rest of it, never go to Starbucks. Absolutely never go to Starbucks because of the political leanings of that corporation. I remember how there's always some sort of a corporate style and I think Dutch Bros was

pretty cool because they were going for sort of a cool dude, a dude-ster and dudette kind of thing. I remember where it's always, I was at Dutch Bros in West Medford one time and I was coming back from a funeral. Literally, I was coming back from a funeral. And you know how they go, there was a guy in there, a coffee guy, and I pulled up to it and I said, I like it. And oh no, this is what it is. First thing he says is, hey, how you doing today? What you doing today? I said, I'm coming back from a funeral. Whoa, I like it. And, oh no, this is what it is. First thing he says is, hey, how you doing today?

What you doing today? I said, I'm coming back from a funeral. Whoa, that's cool. And I'm like, Lynn and I are looking at each other. And you understand, it was just sort of like this was the standard script that you're supposed to do. And I was like, it's all right, I'll just take my large latte. All right.

But anyway, still, it's a blow. Number two corporation in the state of Oregon, now going over to Arizona. Money and people go to where they're treated better, and money and people are not treated well in the state of Oregon. I'm not sure, an illegal immigrant perhaps, and homeless. Then homeless, we got to build houses for you.

Free houses and give you free needles. Let me go to, let's go free houses and give you free needles. Let me go to Let's go to another hall of fame member here. That would be Francine and talent. Hello Francine morning Good morning, Bill Well, I so much stuff going on. I I can't even begin to pick one and I know you won't let me talk about them all So I have I have well, you know Okay, we'll open it up more a little bit later 7 30 You got some real open phone time and then we talk about some all. So I have to. I have to. Well, you know, okay, we'll open it up more a little bit later. 7.30, you got some real open phone time

and then we talk about some other stuff. But go ahead, go ahead. Anyway, so when you were talking about the bums on e-bikes, a little light bulb went off in my head. Yeah. And so here's my conspiracy theory. You know how they all have cell phones, which I don't hold against them.

I mean, they, you know, there's no more pay phones anymore. So everybody has to have a cell phone. And they photograph the people who don't give them any money. Then they hop on their e-bikes and they run you on the sidewalk and terrorize them. Huh. So whoever does it. That's an interesting conspiracy theory Thursday. I don't know if there's any heft to that or not. I don't either, but it was fun. Okay, well thank you very much. Take a picture of you and then dox you on the Bums Are Us Facebook page or Bums Are People 2, that kind of thing. All right, I'm surprised there isn't. There may

be one of those. I don't know. Before news, we'll grab one more call on crazy conspiracy theory. Hi, good morning, who's this? Hey, good morning, this is Michael. Hey, Michael, what's on your mind? Yeah, I was just listening about the free energy stuff. Oh, yeah. I was just wanting to point out

a couple of new things they're doing, but you can mask the frequency of new things they're doing, but you can match the frequency of glass and shatter it, right? Oh yeah, you match the resonance, yes. Okay, well you can do the same thing with a hydrogen atom. They're doing that right now in Japan, and I just find it amazing how hush-hush everything is. Japan and I just find it amazing how hush-hush everything is but before you could produce hydrogen it cost a lot of electricity but with sound it's

literally almost free and on demand. I watched this thing I was like wow. Also there's another guy who what must have been 15 years ago on the news who produced 1500 degree flame with saltwater in a test tube using sound. Oh, is it one of those things... That also went away. Was this about...was this some sort of a cold fusion kind of claim? You know, that sort of thing? That's a whole other thing. I watched that actually. That's a long story. But no, that's not the same thing. That's, this is just cracking the hydrogen atom with sound.

And the guy disappeared, it all went away. And they had scientists watch the whole thing and agreed that it's working. It's, this is real. And then it went away. And then also there's another new technology. There's stuff laying around here that we could use for free energy.

I just blows my mind that they're probably using it. They just don't want us to know. There's also a way to form they're probably using it. They just don't want us to know there's also a way to Form a conduit using lasers. Yeah, I feel I'm familiar with that. You want to hear another interesting story I'm reading here right now and it's on epic times They have actually made man-made gold now because you know, there's always this thing about doing the alchemy turning lead into gold that sort of thing and doing the alchemy, turning lead into gold, that sort of thing. And Epic Times has this story here that they've technically done it and this is in some stone laboratories over in Sweden, the Swiss Alps here, and it's in one of the particle colliders, one of those sort of things. And apparently they bombarded

with tons and tons of energy. Of course the only thing is about it is that they've only been able to make the gold exist for just like a few Microseconds or something like that. It's just like nucleotides or something like that There were some various other terms that they were we're using about it, but but it only exists for a short time So don't worry about you know, the gold being manufactured in the particle colliders anytime soon. I just thought I'd let you know that. Okay? All right? All right. Appreciate the call. And so, speaking of which, that's the reason why you still go to J. Austin. No, you don't go over to the particle colliders and the accelerators hidden in the mountains and that sort of thing. And it took, by the way, lots of energy to get that, just these micro particles

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638. Joining me right now is Dr. Bruce Everett, PhD, specialist in global oil markets. In fact, he retired from Exxon Mobil in 2002. Gosh, AB from Princeton, M-A-M-A-L-D, PhD from the Fletcher School. My gosh, how big is your business card here, Dr. Everett? Welcome to the show. Good to have you on here. I mean, it must be like a three by five. You can't put it all on a, you know, I guess you put it on an electronic card, then it's

fine. But anyway, welcome to the show. How are you doing this morning, sir? I'm doing great, Bill, and thanks for having me on the program. Yeah, first thing I wanted to say is I'm glad you're retired from Exxon Mobil because we're not going to need this product anymore. We're not going to need oil, gas, nothing like that, coal. We don't need any of that sort of stuff.

We're in the state of Oregon, and here in the state of Oregon, we are morally superior. In fact, we're passing all sorts of laws and doing all sorts of things, taxes and cap and spend and all these other things, and we are going to become spiritually purified in the coming years, probably by 2030, maybe by 2035, whatever it is, it's going to be windmills and solar cells. And we're going to be laughing at you people that, you know, getting your pension from ExxonMobil all the way to the bank, man. I just want to let you know, I don't know why we're bothering talking about this, but I'm glad you're here. So…

Oh, Bill, let me put it this way. You may be spiritually poor, but you're going to be financially poor as well. Let's go back to the beginning of this problem. The climate activists like Al Gore and Michael Mann and Jim Hansen, these guys, have crafted this narrative that says carbon dioxide is going to warm the planet and we're all going to die. Yep. If we don't stop using fossil fuels. Been hearing it for decades now. Oh, by the way, you know, I forgot to mention you're with the CO2 Coalition, which is actually a very interesting group.

But so I just wanted to make sure you can get that in there. Please continue now with the narrative. Okay. All right. So the problem is that everybody talks about science, but science means one thing and one thing only. It means testing ideas against actual evidence. And the climate hypothesis that says we're all gonna die is not based on any evidence.

So the CO2 coalition has been fighting against this by trying to bring science into this. And let's talk about what we know for just a second. We do have pollution that we need to deal with, sulfur dioxide, nitrous oxide, carbon monoxide, these kinds of things that are bad for your health. And we've dealt with those pretty well. Carbon dioxide is a benign gas. It doesn't do you any harm. And the only impact it has on the planet is

to improve plant growth and drought resistance. In fact, carbon dioxide is plant food. And referring it to as a pollutant makes no sense whatsoever. And the thing is here, Doctor, we knew this back in elementary school biology. When we talk about a plant, you know, the carbon cycle, how did that just disappear? What happened? Do you know? Can you even go back that far and figure out where did we all of a sudden get this notion that plant food is going to kill us?

Well, some people got the idea a long time ago that if you put CO2 into the atmosphere, the planet will warm. And it turns out that that's actually true. The point is that it only warms a little tiny bit. And the models that people use to predict these catastrophic outcomes don't work. We've had these models for 30 or more years now, and they keep predicting these huge temperature increases, and they don't happen. We've had a little bit of warming and that's generally good. And the impact of more carbon dioxide has been positive.

So this is something that we can base on science. It's true because the evidence points to that and not because we've had some conference where a bunch of scientists express their opinions on it. So what we're trying to do here is to not only talk to the scientific community, but to talk to the general population. You know, Bill, if this were just a scientific debate, most of the public wouldn't care about it. But as you mentioned, people are asking you to give up your living standard here.

They're asking you to bear enormous costs for something that would carry no benefit for you at all. And we think that the public is waking up to this now as they see their electricity bills go up, their gasoline bills go up, their natural gas bills go up. I think that's why the state of Oregon, as an example, is trying to force so much tax and control grid stuff on things right now. It's almost like, you know, even people from the political left seem to be waking up a little bit to this and maybe that's what they're a little concerned about. That's why there's such a Pell-Mell rush to get it all

smacked down. Maybe that's it. I think so because people are afraid that the public is going gonna wake up and the political system will no longer tolerate these kinds of nonsensical policies. So I'm very encouraged about this, but it's gonna take some further hard work, and it's gonna take some chances, awesome opportunities to talk to the public about this,

such as we're having on your radio program. This is very helpful because your listeners need to know this. Dr. Everett, I wanted to go into a story that I was reading here. Cowboy State Daily, and has to do with the Trump administration, is pushing to really expedite a lot of these oil and gas projects. And they're doing it not only for American jobs, but also for American energy independence, sort of being less dependent on foreign sources here. 5,000 wealth Wyoming oil and gas project? 5,000?

It's just in one county that they're going here. And supposedly it has to do with permitting expediting or is there something involving the courts that are now starting to break free some of this logjam? I was wondering if you could comment on that. Well in the past successive administrations have tried to restrain oil and gas production in many cases, partly because they didn't like it, partly because they bought into this climate narrative, partly because they just don't like the oil business. The United States bill has an enormous resource base, not just of oil, but of natural gas. And we can run the whole country for the next, I don't know, 50, 100, 200 years on our resource base, and energy will be inexpensive and it will perform well.

And I think President Trump has kind of started the process of loosening up on this. And the first thing we need to do is to take carbon dioxide out of the equation. I saw the other day that EPA Administrator Lee Lee Zeldin, is going to scrap the power plant regulations that are designed to reduce CO2 emissions. You shouldn't care about CO2 emissions. It's not doing anybody any damage at all.

Now you could certainly care about sulfur dioxide and various other things that really do cause problems in the air. You can work on that, right? Do that instead. Absolutely. And we've been doing that for a long time. For example, if you make your electricity with using natural gas, it has very little pollutant in it. And even coal these days, we have technologies that can scrub out the sulfur, it can take out the particulates, and coal burning these days is very clean. One of my favorite jobs in ExxonMobil is I spent two years in Gillette, Wyoming as operations manager for our Powder

River Basin coal mines. And I know something about coal and it's kind of black and dirty when you take it out of the ground. But when you burn it in a power plant with modern technology, it's great stuff and it's very cheap and it's abundant. And what I care about is that the American people get the energy they need at a low cost for their personal use and for the growth of the economy. Now, Dr. Everett, what we've done here in Oregon is closed down the Borgman coal plant. Now, to be fair, though, that was a pretty old plant.

And I think a lot of that stuff was being closed down because not able to...was it not able to keep pace with the more stringent air pollution standards of today or maybe something else that might be part of that? Mark, the real reason that a lot of coal plants have shut down is that they cannot compete economically with natural gas. And that's fine. But there are lots of places in the country that are nearer to coal sources, but not near natural gas sources, where the economics might be different. And my position on this has always been, let the economics work.

If a utility finds that they can produce electricity more cheaply and cleanly with coal, the natural gas, great, let them do it. If they find natural gas is better, let them do it. If they find natural gas is better, let them do that. But you know, here in Massachusetts, where I live, the state is trying to block more natural gas coming into the state. And we have shut down coal plants, and the state is trying to replace them with wind and solar. So you have that base load power that a coal plant would be able to provide there. When I say baseload, something which is going all the time and doesn't care about the weather when it comes time to produce power, right? That sort of thing.

And that's what they were trying to get rid of in Massachusetts too. Just like Oregon. Same kind of thing here. All right. What we're going to end up, if we do that, what we're going to end up with is an electric power grid, which is extremely expensive and unstable. And if you want to know how this works, look at Germany and Spain, where they put a huge amount of renewables into the power grid, and they're having terrible trouble with it.

I don't want to go there, and I doubt that most Americans would want to go there. I wonder if the AI data farm sort of trend is most likely going to sharpen some minds on what really is reliable energy out there Dr. Everett? I think it probably will Bill and one of the things that's happening because of that is we've had this argument about coal and natural gas for a while but when we start bringing nuclear back into the equation you get a really good additional option. Because nuclear plants are very safe, they're very reliable. We have about 100 of them in the

United States, but none of them has been built with the latest technologies, which are much safer and much easier to manage. And they can produce power all day long at very low cost once you build them. And I think as people look at these AI farms, they're starting to say, well, what we really need is a nuclear plant near that to give us this reliable power that we need. And it has to be not only reliable, it has to be cheap. Dr. Bruce Everett, once again from the CO2 coalition

board of directors, used to work at ExxonMobil. I have to ask you though, kind of a contrary question when it comes to the fracking revolution. For a long time we've been told that fracking is what has kept our oil production in the United States so high. I'm told by people who are contrarians on this that are saying that the fracking revolution is actually dying because all the low-hanging fruit has been picked and that the wells play out very quickly and you're going to have to move from site to site to site to keep that going.

Now you at Exxon, did you see or experience that, or was it too early for the fracking revolution of the last few years? I retired before the fracking revolution, but let me make a general point here, Bill, that I think is really important. Okay. Resource development is a fight between two trends. One is resource depletion, which tends to hold things down, but the other is technology. And for the last 150 years, technology always beats resource depletion.

And the point is, if we want to rely on the technological capabilities of our energy industry, including the oil companies and others, I'm very optimistic that we will stay way ahead of resource depletion for many, many years, because the resource base itself is extremely large, particularly for natural gas. And as the resource, the existing resources get depleted and the price starts to rise a little bit, that pushes the companies to develop new technologies. And my suggestion to people is don't bet against technology. Is it one of those situations where you're thinking, all right, maybe actual crude oil may eventually be playing out, but the natural gas

is not. Is that kind of what I'm hearing you, where I hear you going on this? I think the natural gas resource base is much larger than the oil base. Okay. But I would expect that we'll still be producing enough oil for our needs for at least 50 years. And I think my grandkids don't have anything to worry about. Can natural gas even then be distilled to provide some of the things that oil does? Or can it be remanufactured? There is a technology, as a matter of fact, Exxon has this technology that can convert

natural gas into high quality, very clean liquid fuels. Now we haven't done that, and the reason is that oil is cheap. Now, if oil got very expensive and natural gas got very cheap, you could start to apply that technology, and it works like a charm. Yeah. I was told from the financial side of the aisle, though, that oil at $60, $65 a barrel, which is where it's been here for a while, has not really been helping the fracking industry. Would you agree on that? It's like barely covering the cost at that

point because it is more expensive than just sticking the pipe in the ground and pumping the oil out, right? Yeah, that's certainly true, Bill. But the point is that as the existing fracking reservoirs decline a little bit and as production drops off, the price is going to continue to grow. And as the price grows, we're going to go into more expensive resources, and technology is going to come more and more into play. You know, I remember when I first joined Exxon in 1980, our management did not believe that the price of oil at $2,000 would be less than $200 a barrel.

Even then? The reason I got there...excuse me? Even then. So 45 years ago, you thought that it was going to be way above 200, right? Yeah. And the reason that our management got that wrong is they didn't have sufficient confidence in our own technology. Huh. All right. I get a little bit concerned sometimes when I'm thinking, all right, technology will always bail us out of reality. You understand where I'm coming from? Yeah, I do.

Okay. Because it's like, well, you know, okay, while we pulled a rabbit out of a hat between 1980 and 2025, we'll continue to pull a rabbit out of the hat in 2040 and 2050, 2060. I can understand why your scientists even back then are going like, yeah, I don't think so. I don't think so there, Dr. Everett. If we switch from oil to natural gas for a minute, the natural gas resource base is so large that if we did have problems with oil, we would start converting natural gas into liquid fuels, and we'd be off and running. All right.

Now, how much larger, when you talk about the energy base, I don't know if there's a way you can distill this, no pun intended, into something simple for talk radio. The energy potential of oil in the United States versus the energy potential of natural gas. Is there a way that you can maybe put a number to that or a percentage? Sure. When we talk about oil reserves, what we're talking about is what we know, what's already been drilled and what just hasn't been produced yet. And that's about 10, 15 years.

Okay. But every year we find more than we use. Now, the known natural gas resource base is probably a hundred years. Oh. So that's saying five times, just what we know about right now is five times the amount of energy and the use. Okay. And there are places, and I'll give you an example.

Western New York has a lot of fracking potential and it's forbidden in New York. And the reason it's forbidden is that the people in the cafes in New York City think it's yucky. The people out in Western New York who need the jobs and the economic development would love to be able to have this industry the way they had it in Pennsylvania. You think that energy scarcity or perhaps the increasing cost of it as time goes on then might sharpen a few minds and then people lighten up on what they think is icky, becomes beautiful at some point? Yeah, and it doesn't take a big change.

It just happens gradually over time. Cause the oil companies, I guarantee you, the ExxonMobil and the Chevrons, they've got scientists and engineers that are working on this stuff day and night to find better ways of finding oil and producing it. I'll give you one example. ExxonMobil discovered a huge oil field off Guyana in South America that nobody knew was there and had been explored before.

But with modern techniques, it's one of the largest oil fields in the world. And there will be other discoveries like that. Maybe some of them will be in the United States, maybe not. But the world just has a lot of oil. The Faux Science of Outlawing Fossil Fuels is an article that you wrote on the Daily Signal. It's a great article. That's one of the reasons I invited you on here. And I appreciate you joining us from the CO2 Coalition. And do you see then the resistance to all this? I mean, not just in the Trump administration. Let's say that Trump gets replaced by a Democrat later on,

which tends to be not so friendly to what you've been talking about. Do you see just strategic realities overcoming that kind of resistance that we have right now in the United States? I do. And the reason I say that is that, now, I live here on beautiful Cape Cod in Massachusetts.

And a lot of people in Massachusetts believe in the climate narrative, and they're worried about it. And they've taken steps to reduce CO2. But at the same time, they're seeing their electricity bills go up. They're seeing their natural gas bills go up. They're seeing government come in and telling them they can't have gas stoves.

They got to have electric stoves. And people are starting to say, wait a minute, I'm starting to pay more for energy than I do in property taxes. What's that all about? And I think that's the gateway to fix this problem. It's not a hypothetical discussion of the science of CO2, although I think that's important. But when you start hitting the general public in the pocketbook in a way that's very significant, I think people wake up and say, wait a minute, what

am I getting for this? Dr. Bruce Everett, member of the CO2 Coalition Board of Directors, co2coalition.org. Doctor, good talk. I appreciate that, especially finding out about the natural gas base, five times that of oil, which I find really interesting. Because for so many years here, in fact, you can still find our local transit buses that will go out there

and say powered by clean natural gas, compressed natural gas. They put it up there proudly. And now we're told even that's not clean enough. Nothing's ever clean enough and you just can't put the hair shirt on to absolutely everything in Western civilization unless you want to kill Western civilization and I imagine there are some people that are trying to do that too but that's a conversation for another time. Thank you so much for the call, okay? Be well.

Thanks for having me on the program. Alright, Dr. Bruce Everett. This is KMED, KMED HD1, Eagle Point, Medford, KVXG, Thank you so much for the call. Okay? Be well. Thanks for having me on the program. All right. Dr. Bruce Everett, this is KMED, KMED HD1, Eagle Point Medford, KVXG, Grants Pass. Appreciate you waking up on Conspiracy Theory Thursday on the Bill Meyers Show. Hi, this is Paul at Valerie Nursery. It's time to color your summer with flowers, fun and savings. Join us this Saturday and Sunday for Dad's Weekend. We're celebrating with a barbecue and tastings from Chrisel Sellers.

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