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Episode Date: June 16, 2025

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The Bill Meyer Show podcast is sponsored by Clouser Drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at ClouserDrilling.com. Here's Bill Meyer. Ten minutes after six, we survived No Kings. The No Kings Day, No Kings Saturday. Also the military parade, President Trump's birthday. How many people do you think actually attended in Medford?

I noticed that the news media is estimating, I guess, Medford police estimating 3,000, and yet they're estimating several thousand in Portland. It just seems a little, it just sounds like 3, thousand may have been a little bit high for Medford I would expect three thousand in in in Portland given the hundreds of thousands of many many hundreds of thousands of people I don't know three thousand people where was it three thousand people on on McAndrews. I Managed to avoid the whole thing because I didn't think there was anything that I could learn by going to no Kings I mean after all here it was, no kings. We don't want any kings here.

And we have such a bad king, such a tyrannical king, that thousands in the state of Oregon were able to go out there and rail against him for whatever reason, I guess. So anybody go to no kings? And if you have an impression, go ahead and let me know. 7705633770KMED. Because I figured if I went to something like that, it probably would have been just something that got me into a fight or two. I don't know. Let me go to line one. Hi there, did you go to No Kings? Who's this? It's the horrible Patrick Bill. DP, how you doing? Did you go to No Kings on the Saturday? Inadvertently. Oh, you did? How'd it look jail or something like that. I like you being here, DP.

But what was the overall tenor? Because when I got back into town, because I ended up going to Pottsville, I ended up going to Grants Pass, I saw a little bit of the end of no kings in Grants Pass, and it was kind of like a dozen and a half people on each side of 6th Street, and they were all kind of yelling and looking for honks and things like that, but it wasn't that big of a deal really. And by the time I got into Medford near 3 o'clock, there was just a few sorry people on, oh gosh, what was it, McAndrews over by Prospect, or not Prospect, I forget the name. Poplar.

Yeah, Poplar, thank you. Poplar. Yeah, thank you, Poplar. Yeah, Poplar. Thank you. Yeah, thank you, Poplar. And so there were a few people there and one of them was holding up a sign saying, immigrants are people too. And I'm just thinking to myself, wait a minute, no one's saying that immigrants aren't people. It's just that illegal immigrants aren't supposed to be here. And that's all. You are never authorized to be here. It doesn't mean you're not a person. Home invaders are people too. Yeah, I know. I mean criminals are invaders. You know, the guy that shot the people in Minnesota, the

state lawmakers in Minnesota, he's a person too. I mean, you know, it's like, it's just, it was just, you know, the science of, okay, what are you really protesting? Okay, you don't like Trump. I get it. All right. So we know a bunch of people don't like Donald Trump. Okay. All right. So they made their point? Is that it? I don't they didn't make any points. One guy had a sign. The Emperor has no clothes. This is what these liberals deal in. Nonsensical statements. Who has no clothes? What is this ethereal crap they come up with? And no kings. Well, he's not claiming to be a king.

He's already explained he's not a king. What we had is a bunch of low IQ people who were bored and need something to do with their walking around with their green hair and hand-painted signs, thinking that if they walk around like that and yell that Trump will leave office and give it to Biden. I guess that's what they must think. I'm not exactly sure what they were thinking, but I didn't understand. I didn't understand a lot of it. A lot of this is, the thing is though, most of this was about the Democrats protesting federal government overreach, which is pretty wild when you consider that when it's under Democratic control.

There's tons and tons of Democratic overreach, but that's overreach. That's okay. It's just, I mean, essentially what they're protesting about is that, hey, your guy is doing things as president. Yeah, because he's president. You know, as I was going along there preparing myself mentally for the possibility that they might try to block my van, and I was going to get on the gas and they'd just lose, I was analyzing them. And I think what it it is is that they want a weak president and a weak United States of America. They think weakness is security. You know something, that's actually, you know, that's pretty insightful really.

And many of the people protesting Donald Trump, and you know, believe me, with Donald Trump's mannerism sometimes, sometimes I kind of shake my head going, okay, I would have backed off on that a little bit, but that's neither here nor there. He's going to be who he is, right? That being said, though, the Democratic Party, by and large, does tend to have a real authority problem, a real debt. Well, in some ways, it's mommy and daddy issues, really. So it's both sides of the parental coin, they seem to have some issues. daddy issues really so it's both sides of the parental coin they seem to have some issues. Yeah they're not that crazy about a president that will take the bull by the horns and get stuff done but they were in love with the guy who walked

around licking an ice cream cone. Pretty much. I don't necessarily know if they were in love with him but as long as they had the D that's all that mattered. It's just more tribalism I guess Now, the only person that I heard about here in southern Oregon that may have been injured at the No Kings was Mike Pelfrey. I don't even know if he was really hurt, but he text messaged me that up in Grants Pass, one of the progs ended up hitting him over the head with his sign. So they were getting into a fight. And then the other progressives in Grants Pass that were on that side of the street were disavowing the guy that had allegedly hit Mike with the sign. I don't know what happened after that.

He just gave me a text message. I thought that was kind of interesting. But, you know, Mike, I don't know if you know Mike, Mike does have a tendency to, shall we say, get in people's faces, probably like you were too on Saturday, I guess. Yeah, I did this time. Yeah, well, so no big deal overall. Now they're claiming in Medford what, 3,000? Would you say 3,000 is a good estimate? Yeah, I was just headed down Poplar Drive. I was looking for an address where I was going to pick up my grandson, and I'm thinking, well, a lot of traffic here. Then I started realizing, oh no, look what

I'm into. But I will tell you, that's how that wound up happening. But this thing with hitting him over the head with a sign, they're protecting democracy. Yeah. All right. I really appreciate you letting me know that. Okay. Thanks. Thanks, T.P. All right. You know, we're going to get into something completely non-political for the most part here in just a moment. I'm looking forward to talking with Martin Porter and David Goggin. I started reading a book over the weekend called Buzz Me In Inside the Record Plant Studio. So, we're going to ease into the stories this morning, okay? Inside the Record Plant Studio, some of the best albums ever made. We'll talk about that in a minute.

20 minutes after 6 and Martin Porter and David Goggin joined me. And Martin Porter, once again, author, journalist, publisher, started his career as a tech writer-reporter from Rolling Stone. And David Goggin, also known as Mr. Banzai, award-winning author, photographer, and music journalist. I love history, but I really love rock and roll and musical history. Gentlemen, David Goggin, how are you doing this morning? Welcome to the show. I'm doing good and hello, Medford. Indeed. Martin Porter, good to have you on the program here too. Well, thank you very much for having us.

The book I started reading over the weekend, and like I said, I love history, but when we get into musical and rock and roll history, especially of my era, I'm just digging this, it's called Buzz Me In, Inside the Record Plant Studios. So Martin and David, the Record Plant's what? It was three different record studios, renowned record studios, that really got their heyday in the late 60s and early 70s. But what was it in the music world that actually led to the development of this kind of boutique and also, I guess, hedonistic studio, I guess would be a way of putting it?

How do you go there? Listen, it was an era when a lot of money was floating into the record business. It was an era when the artist had the ability to control their environment and control their music more than ever before because they were making the record company's money. And there was also, you know, we talk about the late 60s and 70s being the era of sex, drugs, and rock and roll. Well, there was one other element, audio. That was the earliest form of tech.

We live in an era of AI and high-tech and Silicon Valley well long before that 50 years before that it was all about audio and and audio enabled the artists to hear things they never heard before to create sounds they never heard before or and to work with the engineers and technology tech bros early tech bros who could bring their bring what they heard in their mind to to vinyl so that's what was unique and it was 50 years ago that a lot of this started and then more than you know we we'd go back to 67 but think about what was going on then you know 50 years ago years ago, right? This year, we was born to run, poison the attic, rock and roll John Lennon. One of these nights, the Eagles, young Americans,

David Bowie, all took place in record plant studios somewhere, either in New York, LA, or Sausalito. Yeah. You know, David, you know, there was a part of it. Okay, I'm sorry, David, did you want to add in on that? I'm sorry, if you want to add something, please. There was a part of it... Okay, I'm sorry. Dave, did you want to add in on that? I'm sorry. Do you want to add something?

Please. Yeah, just quickly. It was the first studio that was run like a five-star hotel, which of course encouraged people to stay and keep recording and spending more money, but actually it was designed to accommodate all of their lifestyle and protected environment. Buzz me in means you had to know the password to get in. Buzz me in. And that was the key to working in a studio where the doors could be locked and you could

stay there and do whatever you wanted and create something in that isolation, but luxurious isolation. And that was in the days in which the studio time I guess must have been hundreds of dollars an hour even in those days wasn't it? But the budgets were there? Yes. Yeah, it was it wasn't cheap but also at Record Plant LA you know if you you could also they had some, I don't want to say we, because I worked there for a while, they had themed bedrooms. So, you know, if you wanted to take a break, you could slip into the sissy room and go back to, you know, a plush bed and take it easy for a

while. Or you could go into the rack room for another experience. In other words, like a marquee de sade kind of thing? Is that like a marquee de sade sort of experience is what was being intimidated by the rack room? Is that what you mean? I think it was more visual, kind of kinky in that way. We don't have any stories of people being actually stretched out on the rack. It just kind of encouraged, you know, just kind of take, you know, whatever goes. I mean, this was the, this was a time that will never happen again. I don't want to paint a picture that it was just a crazy party, because this was serious

business. And it was a tense time in those people's lives. If you had one hit, you had to come up with another hit. And the pressure was on. But Record Plan was designed to be like a living room rather than a laboratory, where you could feel very, very comfortable. Originally it was built for Hendrix, for Jimi Hendrix, and to his lifestyle and to his way of working, which was an incredibly creative period. You know, the part that really surprised me about this is watching some of the stories or reading some of the stories, like there was the time in the mid-70s, it was Kiss's Destroyer album,

which ended up being sort of their masterpiece, according to many of the fans. And how the engineer at that point just had those guys locked down. I guess there was one story in which they stopped and the engineer was at Stone. Did that, did that telling him, don't you ever. Now that was Bob Ezrin. Bob Ezrin, okay. Remember, it was also an era where producers took control. A producer like Bob Ezrin made the greatest albums of all time for Alice Cooper and Kiss and Pink Floyd. And he had a unique style. And Esrin was a character.

He was a wonder kid. He was generating hits in the record-playing environment, but he was tormenting the engineers and sometimes tormenting the artists and doing crazy things like splash it, hitting them with fire extinguishers and gaffer taping them and handcuffing them to the wall. He had a method to his madness. and there was a method to his madness which was I can do

the craziest things and so can you. If I can be as crazy as I want it so can you and the results were magic. Yeah and the part that got me though is how he had the band locked down and I always got that impression that nobody ever bossed Gene Simmons around, you know what I mean? You know him in later years, as the man. And it's like, gosh, these guys were cowed. Essentially fired. Well, remember one thing, no matter how powerful,

rich, successful an artist was, they relied on their engineers, they relied on the studio, and they relied on their producers for hits. They were only as good as their next hit. And if they found a producer, they relied on studio, and they relied on their producers for hits. They were only as good as their next hit. And if they found a producer, they found an engineer, they found a studio like Record Plant that could make that magic, give them that special effect that would generate hits and make them successful,

they kept coming back for more. The Eagles line, you can check out, but you can't check in, but you can't check in, but you can't check out. They didn't want to ever leave a studio where they had a hit. They wanted to keep coming back for more. That's the way that worked. The studio, the environment, the room, the engineer, and the producer. I really love the way you have the book laid out too with the tape boxes in which you're going through the various albums that were being done at that time. I love the story

also about Stevie Wonder. Of course, blind, he's in the bathroom one time, and crazy Phil Spector, what pulled a revolver on him and threatened to blow his head off if he didn't get out. What the heck was going on? He was even crazy then, wasn't he? Right? Oh man, you know, because this book combines hundreds of people who were interviewed, and especially the legend of Phil Spector and the gun, which involved engineers, it involved

John Lennon, it involved whole entourages. There were different views of how that happened and what it was. So we interviewed at least 10 people to talk about the gunplay. I don't want to make that the highlight of the book. No, it's a- It certainly is a time that could only be revealed through the many viewpoints of people that we talked to. Hundreds of people that we talked to. Hundreds of people. It took us 10 years.

And those stories were told by people that remembered because they were the engineer or the second engineer or the receptionist who dealt with the artist night and day. And it was night and day. And I have to tell you, you guys did a great job on this. He was an important customer. He was a very important customer of Record Plan. Not only did he end up producing a concert for Bangladesh, which was Record Plan's first remote concert recording, he worked with Lenin on Imagine, and obviously many of his post-Beatles work. But the story that David's referring to is a legend that we found to be truthful. Seven years before John's untimely death, it came very close to his death in a record

plant studio in Los Angeles where Phil Spector was playing around with a gun. It went off and came awfully close to injuring at least John Lennon in the studio at that time. Just wild stories, great stories, and just about every great album from the 1960s and 70s I swear was made there. I highly recommend the book. It's a great read. Buzz me in inside the record plant studios. Martin Porter and David Goggin. We thank you so much for a few minutes about a great job on that. You be well guys. It's 6 30 at KMED at 99.3 KBXG. You're waking up with the Bill Meyer Show. Rogue Gardener is sponsored by Grange Co-op Saturdays 10 to noon on KMED and KBXG. This is News Talk 1063 KMED and you're waking up with the Bill Myers show.

6.35. I am so glad you're waking up here this Monday. We survived No Kings Now Saturday. And I wanted to bring on Jason Isaac, who's the CEO of the American Energy Institute, because the king, as the Democrats would tend to describe him, we're people from the left usually that are not a fan of President Trump, the king decreed that California shall no longer control the pollution and electric vehicle requirements of all the other states.

Especially means the half dozen or so, or no, the dozen or more states that kind of kiss up to California, Oregon being one of those states. Jason, it's great to have you on the show. Good morning, sir. It's great to be on. Don't tell the left that a lot of Democrats voted for this in Congress, too. I don't want them to lose their head and think they've switched parties or something. Okay, well tell me about that. What is the story? Because President Trump signed a bunch of resolutions to end California's EV

mandate and the various emissions rules and they had a what they call it's an exemption or they were allowed to do their own rules and many of the other states ended up essentially following along with that count you know Washington and Oregon and various other states but it also has control the kind of cars we get to drive doesn't it I mean that has a lot to do with it really has, you've got a lot of the automobile manufacturers of the last few decades make vehicles that were CARB certified, the California Air Resources Board, and it was because California got a waiver from the EPA to set their own vehicle emission standards.

Well then California got other states to follow along. These other states wanted to say, well gosh, you know our cars are as clean as California, so we're going to follow along. These other states wanted to say, well, gosh, you know, our cars are as clean as California, so we're going to join along with California and sign a compact. And so you had California, 17 other states, and the District of Columbia basically agree that whatever California decided was necessary for vehicle emission standards, then their state would automatically adopt them them locking future legislatures. And that's exactly what has happened in California kept tightening the screw to the automobile makers and saying you know what we're going to get to zero emissions by twenty thirty

five and so this forced. Automobile companies to make electric vehicles to no longer be able to sell gas powered or diesel powered vehicles in their state along with those other seventeen states and the district of Columbia. So Congress actually passed a bill I praise Congress many people. I give Congress a hard time for not doing

anything they actually did something they passed a bill to remove the authority from the EPA to give them that waiver. Thus eliminating the waiver. So now California can set their own standards, but they're not going to apply to a bunch of other states. And it really affects interstate commerce when they do that. And that's the reason. So this is a big victory for consumers of vehicles, period, whether they're electric vehicles or

internal combustion engine vehicles. The part that I'm wondering about here, Jason, and by the way, Jason, Isaac is the CEO of the American Energy Institute. Is it too late to have any effect? And the reason I bring this up is that automobile manufacturers, they do planning five, six, 10, 12 years in advance when it comes to manufacturing. And I would imagine that most of their or a lot of their manufacturing is geared among the electric turduckens that a lot of people are not seeming to want these days but have been getting force-fed down the American gullet for quite a few years. Yeah this is just one of the many subsidies that EVs receive. We've got a research paper at AmericanEnergyInstitute.com that kind of breaks down all the different

subsidies. The corporate average fuel economy, which Secretary DeFlea announced a couple of weeks ago, might have had something to do with the fallout between Elon and President Trump, although I think they've reconciled by now. But this is a massive driver of electric vehicles. It essentially mandates that automobile manufacturers make them or they're going to face incredibly stiff penalties. And Elon Musk, by the way, made so much of his money, at least in the early part of the company, by selling credits. It's still billions of dollars. It's selling the credits. So you're

selling the credits to other automobiles. So Ford, Stellantis, GM, these companies are having to buy the credits so that they can say on paper that they're compliant with the corporate average fuel economy, but they're not. They're not making that number unless they're just paying a penalty. It's either to the federal government or to Elon, and it's been over $2 billion over the last year for Tesla in revenue. They barely have been profitable without selling these arbitrary fake credits that don't do anything to improve fuel economy.

That this one of costing taxpayers more we're paying more for electric vehicles are paying more for gas powered vehicles to subsidize wealthy individuals to drive fancy electric vehicles. So that's one of the biggest reasons that we need to one of the things we need to get rid of and that I'm grateful as Secretary Duffy over the Department of Transportation who sets these standards is looking into revising if not eliminating the corporate average fuel economy credits which I think is just a great step in the right direction but automobile manufacturers are already switching gears. Toyota has said a couple

years ago they're not going to make electric vehicles wholeheartedly they're going to make hybrid electric because that's what consumers want. And by the way, it's what seems to make the most sense too, especially the plug-in hybrid, the plug-in hybrid where, you know, for around town you could use just the electric side of it if you wanted to, but when you need to travel, you've got the ability to do it, right? Yeah, it's what consumers want. And if you're worried about the critical minerals

that go in EVs, the Toyota chairman has come out and said they could make over 60 hybrid electric vehicles compared to one electric vehicle. So they make these hybrids with the same components. They're actually using fewer materials that are mined and processed in China using child and slave labor in horrific conditions where they're creating cancer villages and toxic lakes because they don't care about the environment. They don't care about human rights like we do here in the United States.

And so if you really value those things, the hybrid is the way to go. I mean, just I think last week it was the RAM announced they're bringing the Hemi back, you know, this big beast of an engine because consumers want it. They needed to pull heavy things They're great for work trucks. So I think you're seeing sanity come back in the automobile manufacturing industry And manufacturers are already canceling battery factory Facilities cancer canceling easy production facilities and going back to what works and that's gas and diesel. I hope you're right about that, that it really ends up being this way. And these changes are actual

congressional action signed by the president so it's not just going to be undone by whoever is in the White House next? Yeah, an executive order is not going to undo this. It's going to take an act of Congress to undo this and it's been very difficult to get to this point. But as I mentioned, it had broad bipartisan support. It had an alarming number of Democrats support this particular bill. So it really is. It's bipartisan, even though the left is pretty angry about it, especially the left in California.

This is we're not allowing California to dictate environmental or vehicle purchases throughout the country. Now, Jason, I believe the reason why California did this in the first place to dictate environmental or vehicle purchases throughout the country. Now Jason, I believe the reason why California did this in the first place or asked for this back in the day was because LA is a smoky basin. It's always been a smoky basin. The Native Americans before, you know, the white settlers ended up coming back in the day, they always talked about it being a smoky basin. It never had much, not a lot

of circulation of the air, right? We all know that. It's just kind of a natural deal. I guess the point being though, is California going to have difficulty getting compliant cars to help out with their genuine pollution problems? And will there in essence, the car companies keep doing what they were doing which every car they sell is car compliant. I remember you know back when I was a kid you could buy two versions of the same car they would make different versions one for the other 49 states and one for California. How do you think that's going to you know work out and pencil out? Yeah I think what's gonna

happen is you're just gonna see everybody in California buy electric vehicles and to meet that requirement in 2035, or they're going to continue to leave the state in droves like they have been, whether it's industry or individuals. People are leaving California, they're voting with their wallets and they're uprooting their families and their businesses, and they're leaving. It's an incredibly difficult place to do business. They're shutting down refineries, they're shutting down electric generation. And they're just moving those things. They're basically exporting the jobs while they import the pollution.

And this is what's happened is you look at the pollution in California and there's been research that's shown that over 60% of that pollution that's in Southern California in the Los Angeles basin is Asian pollution. This is why I was in the first Trump administration. I was advocating with the Trump administration because he was talking about pulling out of the Paris Accords,

because he says he represents the people of Pittsburgh, not the people of Paris. And I applaud that move. The Paris Accord is what's holding us hostage here from energy production in this country. I've got a piece in the Hill that I talk a lot about that. But really, I said, we need to have a Pittsburgh Accord. Let's call on our trading

partners to meet air quality standards that improve human health. And that's something that would incredibly improve the air quality along the Western United States because of Asian air pollution. They just don't care about environmental protection. They don't care about pollution. They care about making money and hurting our country. And so they're producing things inefficiently and without any care for the environment whatsoever. And so that means it's a lot cheaper. You know Jason, I was fascinated to read to your point there about some stories about how it works when it comes to rare earth. And this has been a big deal. There's been some trade accord that's been made

between President Trump and China, China's leader, about this and trying to at least get access to rare earths. We only have one functioning rare earth mine in the United States of America, and we have no way to refine this or process or make it usable. You have to send everything to China at this point. But the way they do it in China is that they don't,

I guess they can't worry about, or maybe they don't want to worry about the pollution control. So what they do is that they'll just essentially say, okay we're going to make the rare earths in the city and this is just going to become a polluted city. And we're just going to warn everybody after the fact. It's astounding when you see what the rules are there. Yeah, it's amazing if they have some big international event in China that's when they turn off the industry or they turn on the pollution control technology. We produce coal here in this country and do it more responsibly than anywhere else on the planet. And it's

because at every single coal-fired power plant that's producing affordable, reliable electricity, there's bag houses and scrubbers, these things that are on concrete manufacturing facilities and batch plants, they capture the harmful stuff before it makes it to the air. China has those too. They just turn them off because they're expensive to run. They require power and electricity. And so they just turn them off. It means they can produce electricity cheaply.

They're producing more coal-fired electricity in China, then we have entire electricity installed. So natural gas, coal, nuclear, China has more coal. That's why they're refining more than we are. They're building out their refining capabilities. For the first time ever, China, this is a big threat. They're exporting energy. They've always been a net consumer. Now they've expanded their power so much that they're exporting diesel, jet fuel, home

heating oil. It's quite alarming how much China is controlling the international market for our refined products, but that's been their plan all along. Let's scare the Americans about so-called climate threats while we absorb all of the industry and start to produce the goods that they depend on. Yeah. Jason, how are we looking at as far as potential oil? I'm talking about liquid fuels, the oil, the crude oils, the diesels, the distillates, things like that.

How are we looking here? Because I've read some contrary takes on American energy production that talks about the fracking and that the fracking revolution is kind of overblown because the fields play out much more quickly and you have to go from place to place to place and that this is going to be something that we're up against sooner rather than later. Would you agree with that or is there some truth in between the two extremes? Yeah, it's interesting. I love reading stuff. There's headlines every couple of

years about peak oil and I think they're one of the Wall Street Journal recently about peak oil and I just laugh as someone who's very close to the Permian Basin here in Texas and get there quite often. We're nowhere near peak oil. It's laughable, but we do have problems with our refining capacity. So we need to be encouraging by getting regulations out of the way because we do. We take our light-suite crude, we export that overseas to have it refined in other places while we're importing heavy crude. Because our refineries mostly take heavy crude.

That's what most of our refineries like, right? That's correct. I think there's one refinery in South Texas that takes the light sweet and can turn that into diesel and other fuels. But think about fertilizer too. In the UK or in the EU, over 70% of the fertilizer production are offline because they don't have access to the natural gas that they need to make fertilizer. This is going to start to affect food production around the world. This is quite alarming.

We've got a lot of natural gas here in the United States. That's why the Trump administration is approving LNG export terminals to help our friends and allies in Europe to get the natural gas that they need. Is natural gas the brighter of the three, whether it's coal or oil? How do you see that as far as playing its role? Well, it's definitely a more abundant fuel, it's easier to extract, it doesn't take any refining capacity.

Really, there's no refining when it comes to natural gas, although if you're going to make it into fertilizer and other products, plastics and things like that, then you have to. But it's just so abundant and so easily accessible in the United States. It's a great fuel. We really need to be using coal. We do need to be using more coal in this country for baseload electric generation. We can do it responsibly and affordably and help lower the cost of electricity. Yeah, we shut down our final coal plant just a year or two ago in Oregon.

Yeah, it's heartbreaking. There's been places all over the U.S. I look at the coal closures, the early retirements, they're basically shutting down equipment, passing on cost to consumers, and it's anywhere from 300 to 500 jobs every time a coal-fired power plant gets shut down. That's heartbreaking to a community, and it's all done for political, ideological reasons and nothing else. And it's unfortunate you have some of the utilities that are going along with it because they've made these Paris agreements, these Paris commitments that they're going to decarbonize. And they know they can pass the cost on to consumers.

That's why our electricity costs are going up and the utilities and their investors are playing along right away. It's really frustrating. I think they need to be held and called before Congress and ask why are there Paris commitments? That's not the law of the land in the United States. I think it's treasonous. Their compensation is tied to their commitments to Paris. That does nothing to mitigate a changing climate. It just makes everything more expensive. Jason, the question I would have about this is that even if the Trump administration and Congress end up relieving states of these onerous regulations that California was imposing

on everyone through the back door, so to speak, what's really going to count is whether the investment capital follows. Wouldn't you agree on this? I mean, sure, you're allowed to do it, but if no one thinks that there is a future in building a heavy crude refinery or a sweet crude refinery or a coal-fired clean power plant, it's not going to be built. And then we're still in this, you know, dealing with intermittent and chaotic energy, all the renewables on the grid here. So what could or do you believe should be done about that? Because if they're not going to build it, if they don't think there's going to be a political, if there's too much political risk I guess otherwise. I mean it's one thing for Trump to say go ahead and build

it, but what about the future? What do you think? Yeah that's one of the biggest things in Alaska. Our Secretary of Interior Doug Burgum and our Secretary of Energy Chris Wright out there earlier this month praising the approvals of pipelines and building energy infrastructure. And I've written extensively on this, will the finances follow? Will the services that are needed, insurance and capital, will they follow? You look at the major banks, whether it's Wells Fargo or Chase or Goldman Sachs or Bank of America, they all have statements on their websites that they will not allow capital to flow into the Arctic National

Wildlife Refuge. So they will not allow investments into Alaska. You have some of the biggest insurance companies. One of them that I've gotten a notice of non renewable non renewal Because I'm a trade organization that has information about energy production on my Facebook page the Hartford Canceled my insurance policy for my small little office space that I have it's laughable But they target the energy industry primarily those that are producing hydrocarbons. All right. Now this is ESG. This essentially was an environmental and social and governance kind of thing, right? Isn't that what happened? This was an attack on ESG. Yeah, absolutely. I was discriminated against because I promote energy and that was something that doesn't

follow along with their guidelines. Something I've seen before from the Hartford where they they're no longer providing insurance policies for forestry products because people think that that's not the favor of the day to be cutting down trees and producing affordable homes and you know people don't want that so they want to drive the cost up of forestry so the Hartford doesn't provide services for forestry companies they won't provide services for companies that are producing hydrocarbons, which is just quite alarming. So again, and there's a lot of lawsuits around the country.

States Attorneys Generals are filing suit. There's one in Texas where the AG in Paxton is suing BlackRock, Vanguard, and State Street, the world's three largest investment in industries and institutions, saying that they colluded to dry up capital to coal. And they have. They published a report, how do you control the production of hydrocarbons with capital? And so they invest in these companies to force them to so-called transition away from their core business. And so they were colluding to deny access to capital.

It's been incredibly detrimental to the coal industry in this country. But I would imagine it's also a backdoor subsidy for the renewables, right? Because, oh my gosh, the coal went away. We better build more windmills. What are we going to do when the windmills don't work I don't know we're just gonna charge you more okay. Get to invest in those windmill companies same companies Vanguard and State Street so they're they are colluding to to rig the market in their favor they're operating as an illegal cartel according to several of these lawsuits they've been called before Congress Jim Jordan's done a wonderful job exposing some of this.

BlackRock says they're changing their tune, but Larry Fink in Houston earlier this week or earlier this year says he still believes in this. He still believes in decarbonization, and that's a political agenda, and he just can't get that out of his deletist head. And by the way, Elon Musk has not refuted the decarbonization and the global warming, Kennard. He hasn't backed away from that, even after having been with Trump all that time. Interesting. Yeah, yeah it really is. Alright, so what do you believe should be done about that or what needs? Because it's one thing to say, alright we no

longer have the regulations, but on the other hand, if capital and the big money, the big big money, the big corrupt money is going to say, we're not going to loan or insure it or do anything else, that means that, yeah, you're allowed to do it, but no one will. Yes, we've seen states like Alaska who have actually stepped in and said,

okay, well, we'll fill the void. We will operate our state resources as a bank. And so that they have been basically competing with BlackRock and Vanguard and State Street and other financial institutions, banks like Chase and Wells Fargo. They'll say, well, we'll fill the void and we'll do it with state dollars. And so yeah, it's quite interesting. North Dakota has the ability to do this. I think you're probably going to see some other states that may continue to look down this path. I mean, Texas has a massive rainy day fund, this economic stabilization fund, with billions

of dollars that are sitting in it, and they invest those dollars to get a return on investment for taxpayers. And so I think you may see more states do what Alaska is doing if these banks with the woke mine virus don't straighten up and actually start investing in things that work to provide a return on investment. This fiduciary responsibility is the priority and that's what we want. If you're not in the

ranch banking or farm banking or oil and gas banking you don't have to get into that banking. But you've got to provide a fiduciary responsibility and duty to your investors your your shareholders, and that should be the first and foremost behavior these companies are exhibiting.

Jason, I really appreciate that. So some good news out of what the Trump administration and Congress have done, but there's still more work to be done from the sides of the investment and the way that investment insurance works, because without the investment in insurance, will get done too. Hey, read up more about this in it is AmericanEnergyInstitute.com and you said you had a piece on the hill dot-com. What was that about please before you take off? Yeah about how American Energy is still held hostage by Paris. You got to check this out but you look at all the companies, the multinational companies, the oil and gas companies, the utilities, all of them, they're embracing the Paris Accords and that's just driving up our costs. Their

compensation is tied to it and we are really held hostage by their Paris commitments. They need to abandon them, they need to get out of them, they need to focus on fiduciary responsibility and providing affordable and reliable energy for Americans. I really appreciate the talk this morning, Jason. Thanks and we'll have you back. Good information all right. You'll be well. Great to be on. Thank you for having me. It's a little bit before, well, three before seven here at KMED and 99.3 KBXG. KMED, HD1, Equal Point, Medford, KBXG, Grants Pass.

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she's a fount of information there too. Her number 499-0958. Skypark Insurance. SkyparkINS.com. At Skypark, we make insurance easy. Homeowners are discovering what lawn care. July 1st. The Bill Myers show is on. News Talk 1063 KMED. Hey, it's seven o'clock. Glad you're here. Former State Senator DeBoer, great to hear from you. How you doing this morning, sir? What's on your mind? I'm doing good yourself. I'm doing well. Doing well. You had a question for the guest. I kind of ran out of time, but what were you asking about? Because I know about this. I've got two things. The first thing is I keep reading about

coal fires or underground fires that are putting tremendous amounts of pollution in the air in the United States that they can't put out and they've been burning for decades. So I just wanted his opinion. Is it true or is it not? As a matter of fact, as a matter of fact it is. In fact, one that I remember when I because I was born in Pennsylvania and I remember this story. It is the Centralia Mine Fire and it was a coal seam that caught on fire like May of 1962. I was one year old when it caught fire and it's burning like 300 feet or more under the ground

and it's been burning since that day and I don't know if it's something where they could get get it if there was a way to to you know get to it and and put it out or dig the burning coal out I don't know what the deal is but it's been burning for like what 64 63 64 years this is just one there are other ones too. And they figure that it's gonna burn with enough coal down there that it could keep burning for another two, 250 years.

It's serious, yeah. Wow, and how much pollution is that putting in while everybody's fighting? I think we should put Elon Musk in charge of it, but I bet he could put it out. Could be, yeah. I don't know if there's enough water to do this, but you know the thing is though is that you could mine

the coal and actually use it with scrubbers and such and actually and burn that cleanly. You can do it. Well, when Mother Nature's burning it underground, as you can imagine, it's not exactly being burned cleanly. Just the way it goes. Yeah, one other comment. We drove by the protest in Ashland yesterday. How'd it look? Just to see. Maybe 50 people and my wife gave a thumbs down and this guy started engaged a guy, there was a single guy there last week, and he had a sign that the US is Nazi and I engaged him for a little bit. It didn't go well.

But I really thought afterwards I should say to him, if we were Nazi, you would be dead. Yeah. I mean, this is how much of a king that we have right now, Senator, that you have. Everybody out there, or a lot of people I should say, screaming about the king, the king, the king, the king, we don't want kings, etc. And none of them were arrested and strung up for treason this weekend. You know? It is. And to any Bay that, I mean, I make sure that I don't say Democrats are bad. It's Democrat leadership that completely failed us. And them trying to put Biden back in through fraudulent means is the best example of it.

They were controlling this country for two years when he wasn't capable. It's just... But lots of friends are Democrats. I get called a Democrat once in a while. But the other thing I really know is why wouldn't we want to stop the fraud in the United States? We could probably pay for Medicaid out of just the savings. It's kind of scary how it's like Doge came and went, right? And I think that it was that Elon Musk did a wonderful service to the country by exposing the seamy underbelly. I think the challenge, as you well know back when you were a state senator, is that every bit of spending usually has some kind of constituency backing it and there's very little constituency to cutting spending. Would you agree on that overall when it comes to the government? Absolutely. And I don't think our leaders in the state, our

Democrat leaders, know how to cut money. They don't understand budgets, period. And that cool thing that's going to happen, it's not really cool, it's almost broad, is at the end of session, they're going to hand out $100 million to senators and legislators that played well, and that's their bride. And they've done it every year at the end of session, called the Christmas Tree Bill. There's only two people that award the money and that's the co-chairs of Waves and Means. And that's why everybody gets in line and behaves like good little boys and girls, right Senator? Yeah, I was told if you keep pushing this,

your county's not going to get any money. That's a big club isn't it? Well I told them I don't care. I'm here to try the sixth thing. Well I'll talk to a current state senator about it in a few minutes and see what the status of that is if they are talking about that. But I appreciate your call Alan, thanks so much. Have a good day. All right you too now. Let me grab another call here. Good morning. Hello, who's this? day. All right, you too now. Let me grab another call here. Good morning. Hello, who's this? Yeah, this is Wayne, Grands Pass. Hello, Wayne. How are you? I'm doing well, thanks. Two things quickly. I grew up in a little town called Glenwood Springs in Colorado in the 60s. I was in high school in the 60s, 1960s. And we would go up to the city dump at night, park our cars and drink illegal beer, right? And watch the fire break through the surface from a mine, a coal

mine, that had been burning since the 1940s just west of our town, someplace like Newcastle or some little dinky place. Do you know if it's still burning? As far as I know it is. I know in the winter you could see where it was because the snow would always be melted where the tunnels used to be. It's amazing to know that there are just several natural fires or Mother Nature created fires in some of these mines and coal. And actually, you know, a lot of times these are just coal seams that for whatever reason they'll get a spark or whatever it is during mining activity and off and went. But yeah, it's too bad that they haven't found a way to either stop it or tap that energy somehow.

Yeah, it is because there's a lot of coal there. My other comment was going to be, I wanted to ask your previous guest just a little minute ago what he thought about the oil reserves being depleted by our wonderful President Biden. What do you have to say about that? I will have him back on at some point. The strategic petroleum reserve is what you're talking about, right? That's correct. Has that ever been refilled? Do you know?

I haven't heard any news about it lately. I haven't heard any talk about it either. You would think that would be one of Trump's big national defense security issues. I'll look it up and see what I can find out, Wayne. All right? Appreciate the call. All right. We'll catch up on the rest of the town hall news in just a moment.

State Senator Noel Robinson will also be joining me here in a few minutes. Always enjoy talking with him. We'll catch up and see what the status of the Christmas tree bill is this year.