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Episode Date: June 24, 2025

Ooh, Trump is major teed off on the cease fire, that and the other news of the day, lots o stories. Kevin Gill at Clouser Drilling shares the news that well drilling coasts soar JULY FIRST because of a bill they just passed.

The Bill Meyer Show podcast is sponsored by Clauser Drilling. They've been leading the way in southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Clauser Drilling dot com. Here's Bill Meyer. Good morning and happy Pebble in Your Shoe Tuesday. We have a pebble or a pearl in your sandal. Let me know about that. Seven seven zero five six three three seven seven.

OK, I'm happy to take your calls on anything on your mind this morning. And yesterday I was at home when I was, you I was getting the blog ready, putting up the podcast. First off, I just have to tell you, some of the, one of the best parts of my job sometimes, even though it's a pain to have to go out to a mountaintop in order to prepare some recalcitrant transmitter that decides I'm going to take a day off, that kind of thing, which is what happened yesterday. I was heading up on Phoenix Baldy yesterday and I saw an amazing buck. It was just a majestic buck out on that ranch land. I want to say TenPoint. I don't know if anybody else has been out near that ever, like a TenPoint buck

out there. What a beautiful, what a beautiful buck it was. And you know I've been seeing them every now and then in various places and I was up on Roxy Ann Prescott Park the other day and there was not a buck but a female deer was laying down in the middle of the road because it was a shady spot and the deer is looking at me as I'm up in there in the forerunner looking at me like what you expect me to move and I'm yeah yeah I really do need you to move I kind of like this shady spot it was a hot day right so but still a ten-point buck of course the bucks not stupid over on on Phoenix

Baldy because he's looking there he said listen there's no hunting going on here all right that kind of thing so you know if you want to ask the owners up there, maybe they let you hunt this fall, but who knows. All right, top story this morning, the big beautiful ceasefire. And that news was announced yesterday. In fact, this is how President Trump announced it. It was a social media post on Truth Social. Congratulations to everyone. It's been fully agreed by and between Israel and Iran there will be a complete and total ceasefire in approximately six hours from now when Israel and Iran have wound

down and completed their in-progress final missions for 12 hours, at which point the war will be considered ended. Officially Iran will start the ceasefire and upon the 12th hour Israel will start the ceasefire and upon the 24th hour an official end to the 12-day war will be saluted by the world. We'd like to congratulate both countries Israel and Iran on having the stamina courage and intelligence to end what should be called the 12-day war. So there we go. And I was thinking, wow, I'm thinking this is really cool. This is really cool. And I had a listener, Jerry. Jerry the Bull wrote me last night. He said, Bill, I just heard about it this evening. And of course, he looked at it differently. He thought this because Israel's

getting hit hard by Iranian missiles. I tended to look at the ceasefire, why people were talking about this, because Iran's really, I think, looking up against an existential threat because it's really about if Iran's going to exist as a current going situation. It's just my opinion. So Jerry and I might disagree on that. But I wrote him back and I said, you know, Jerry, I just have this feeling that it's premature to declare this over, but we'll see. Well, President Trump declared it over and I'm thinking, I don't know, these two combatants are, they don't like each other. You know, they just don't. And now this morning, President Trump is, each other. And now they just don't. And now this morning, President Trump is, he's just a spitfire. He was yelling at, well, he talked to the reporters this morning before departing

for a NATO summit, and he said that Israel and Iran don't know what they're doing following his declaration of a ceasefire. I thought that was interesting because well it kind of like my gut feeling just said boy I just felt a little early and yeah apparently they're still lobbing some missiles at one another for breaking the ceasefire and he's talking and talk about both sides doing it he wasn't just going on one or the other he says he says he says we basically have two countries that have been fighting for so long, it's so hard that they don't know what they're doing. I'm going to see if I can stop it. You know, my boss was funny, George, my boss George was funny. He was saying, you know, he's

looking at this ceasefire kind of like, you know, like on The Apprentice, right? You, hey, wait a minute, I fired you two. I fired both of you too. Why are you still here? Just had to I had to try but like I said, it's serious as a heart attack Don't get me wrong, but but still you know, it's like listen I declared this over you agree, dude You agreed to it and now you're still fighting each other and it's like well That's why I felt it just I'd give it a few days before I declare it open You know really over maybe even a week or two. But I know the news cycle moves so quickly. I guess, you know, there's something else to move on to apparently. But anyway, that's a top story. Yeah,

they're violating the ceasefire and President Trump is not happy. And when, and when it was kind of like Mr. Bigglesworth and when President Trump is not happy, people die. I don't know if that's going to be the case or not this time, but needless to say, there's going to be a talking to between Bibi and the Aetola or the people or their people one way or the other. OK, there's another interesting national story that hasn't been getting a lot of play, and it was over the weekend because everything was overshadowed with what was going on with

Iran and the big beautiful war and now the big beautiful ceasefire, that kind of thing. But it's back to the big beautiful bill. And the Heritage Daily Signal, Heritage Foundation reporting on this, the passage of the one big beautiful Bill Act, a massive 10-year fiscal framework that would fulfill many of President Donald Trump's campaign promises in jeopardy due to disagreements and I raised this issue a few days ago, disagreements over states' rights to regulate artificial intelligence. And I thought that was a bad idea. Frankly, I'm not a big fan of having the tech bros in charge of dictating where we're going to be going in our particular thing

and what artificial intelligence should be learning from and stealing from and regurgitating to us. And I really don't have a problem with states getting involved with this and especially when you say ten years hands-off right well Sunday night Democrats on the Senate Budget Committee announced that the Senate parliamentarian had given the thumbs up to a provision that discourages states from regulating artificial intelligence the parliamentarian decides whether or not provisions are allowed to be included in the budget reconciliation bill. Remember, it always has to do with money, right? It has to do with a budget reconciliation. And so apparently, what they did is that if

you try to regulate artificial intelligence, if a state, whether it's a blue state or a red state, whoever, tries to regulate anything about artificial intelligence, there'll be a poison pill in it in which, like your, what is it, your free, your telephone subsidies and all those other sort of things end up being taken out. It's like telecommunications. Well, Marjorie Taylor Greene ends up saying that not gonna vote for this bill. Can't vote for this bill with this this poison pill. And this is what she said, I sincerely hope the Senate takes out the poison pill in the one big beautiful bill that puts a 10-year moratorium on states' ability to regulate and make their own laws about AI. I sincerely hope the Senate takes out that deal.

The one big beautiful bill is supposed to be President Trump's campaign promises on taxes, energy, and border security and immigration, not artificial intelligence. And I actually agree with McGilligrilla. That's my nickname for Marjorie Taylor Greene. artificial intelligence. And I actually agree with McGilligarilla. That's my nickname for Marjorie Taylor Greene. Every time I see her, I think of, she just has a very big face. Have you noticed that?

McGilligarilla, guerilla for sale. Says so long, so long. Anybody remember that old cartoon for the, I watched way too many cartoons when I was a kid. I couldn't help it. Linda laughed and said, what, McGilligarilla? Yeah, that's what my nickname is. I like Marjorie Taylor Green. There's a lot of things I like about her. But like I said, just a big face. That's all. Big face, big voice too, for that matter. And she says no. Green has previously promised to vote against any bill

that includes the moratorium, but has held some hope that it would be thrown out by the parliamentarian. The parliamentarian says no, it has to do with some money and it's going to be allowed. Oh yeah, this is the poison pill. Republicans amended the 10-year block on AI regulations by making it a requirement for getting federal broadband funding, you know, when everybody says here's your subsidy for elderly internet, blah blah blah blah blah. And so it had to be part of the budget for the parliamentarian to approve it.

Parliamentarian has approved it. Now it's a poison pill. Marjorie Taylor Greene says she is a no on that. Also, other news which is affecting us here. The US Senate passed the bill to reauthorize the Secure Rural Schools and Self-Determination Program. That's supposed to help backfill some of the timber money leaving the counties.

Now, that program expired at the end of 2023, but it would reauthorize it in 2025, help out more than 4,000 school districts, 700 counties, including Jackson and Josephine County through the 2026 fiscal year, widen Merkley, and U.S. Senators Jim Risch and Mike Crapo, both Idaho Republicans, sponsoring all of that. Oregon got $4 billion, apparently, in the last 24 years. Yeah, yeah. See, it sounds like more than it is.

Thirty counties got nearly $74 million. Klamath schools got between 800 and a million. So it's like about a million, maybe a little bit less than that. It's not nothing. But I remember how a past county board of commissioners in Jackson County ended up getting Danny Jordan brought in effectively to replace $23 million. $23 million, may have been even more than

that if I recall. I'm a little light on my figures on this one that was lost when the ONC money ended up going away. You know all of that secure rural funding. It's a big deal. And so this is just a little dribble of money to replace for, uh, no logging for you, Josephine Jackson County. Yeah. For the most part, that kind of thing. All right. Now, yesterday we had a bunch of Republicans on the Oregon house floor. They ended up a boycotting. They, they walked out in a number of them, seven Republicans.

They were standing in solidarity with Representative Shelley Bozart-Davis, a Republican from Albany. She was complaining that Chris Gorsuch, an evil dem from Gresham, violated the rules. Essentially, he just verbally slapped her around because Bozar Davis was bringing up what a pile of crap that the transportation deal was, the transportation funding bill, the $14.5 billion tax increase on Oregon. And Gorsuch is kind of like, how dare you impugn us? Well the thing is, Republicans have been getting nothing but manhandled and serviced like a cow by the Democrat bull all this legislative session. So they

finally decide to get upset at the very end for this, for this, after all the other humiliations which have been going on. I'm going to talk with Kevin Starratt about this because he's been watching this because we got we got gun bills moving today, moving today, being voted on today, and even though they were all protesting, some of these Republicans protesting, they were enough there to provide quorum. You morons! What are you providing quorum for? Oh boy. Oh, some of you walked out. Oh, yeah, big deal. Now Gorsuch, one other clown ended up resigning from the committee. So it ends up that, you know, this transportation bill ends up going back to the committee again.

Of course, they didn't get another vote. The Democrats will win and it ends up going to the floor vote. And then you get your 14 and a half billion dollar transportation bill in the increase and you're throwing a lot of money at ODOT and you still don't reform and make ODOT effective right but still these people are in the final days i'm talking about the republicans because i mean i know how the democrats are going to the democrats are going to be jerks we know that they're super majority they've got this the only thing that stops them is not sitting around there going they're being mean to Shelly Boeshard-Davis.

What would really get their attention is to deny Quorum and shut it down. That's what you do. But once again, yes, Emily McIntyre did remain there along with a bunch of other people. E. Warner Reschke, Kevin Mannix. Of course, Kevin Mannix was one of the people along with was it Giovali who ended up you know voting for the Prancing Drag Queens last week you know for that HR3. Good boy. All right but we'll talk with him with Kevin about this because he's been watching us. This has been quite a story playing out. You know, they get upset about Shelley Bozhard Davis being manhandled there, but they won't actually walk out enough to the point where they deny quorum and actually stop the process and really throw a wrench and screw the schedule up so that there are fewer bills that

are able to be passed. Because remember, Sunday is when it ends. It has to be all done by the end. But of course, I guess there are still a lot of Republicans that think that their job is to be there to help pass really bad Democrat bills. I've said this before, again and again, sorry, just the way it goes. I've said this before, again and again, sorry, just the way it goes. Meanwhile the Oregon House, this happened last week, didn't get a lot of play, but they voted to protect Oregon National Guard from being deployed by Trump and future presidents. Good luck on that! Federalized means federalized, guys, but you can try all you want.

I'm sure you would feel better about that. All right, Oregon Live had this story. Kroger, that's Fred Meyer here for us, will be shutting down dozens of stores nationwide in the next year and a half. They shared their plans recently. 60 stores over the next 18 months, and they are talking about closing some... they won't give any specific locations, but they are expecting some closures here in Oregon, but they're not saying which ones. I don't think we have anything to worry about in our southern Oregon deal. I could be wrong about that, but we'll just see. But they're talking about that.

Meanwhile, KDRV reporting that the Josephine County Treasurer, Mark DeYoung, announced yesterday he's stepping down effective immediately. DeYoung writing in a statement, this has been a tough decision to make, but due to unforeseen personal reasons, I can't continue my employment. So that's what he did. I guess the county commission will have to select another one. Let's see.

SOU navigating budget challenges. This according to KOBI 5. Multiple positions to be eliminated. They had a news conference yesterday about that. Five million dollars in cost savings by June of 2026. That's real money at SOU. And the initial deficit sat at 3.2 million before the Board of Trustees decided to increase it to 5 million because of funding cuts on the state and Fed level. According to Bailey, in the three and a half years since he's been president, SOU has eliminated over 13% of full-time faculty and staff positions and it looks like they're going to have to do some more. And finally, we have a recall out there. Oregon Live reporting, an Oregon Coast creamery

recalling two lots of cheddar cheese curds could be contaminated with Listeria. Oh, I love this stuff. It's six ounce cups of vampire slayer garlic cheddar curds. Have you ever had those? Oh, they're delicious. Your wife or hubby or girlfriend or boyfriend will not kiss you after that, but it's produced by Face Rock Creamery. That was a notice posted by the US Food and Drug Administration, so they're doing a voluntary recall. A container is marked with... I think I might just have to post this. I'm not going to read the universal product code numbers on the air, but Face Rock Creamery, voluntary recalling this, do potential listeria, all right? Which is worse than

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All right, Billy up to the bar, the clock bar partner. 7705633. Brother Louie is here. Hello, Brother Louie. How's life for you today? Hey Bill. What do you think about President Trump really angry? The big, beautiful ceasefire ended up going down in flames like almost

immediately, apparently. Yeah, well, he should be angry. President Trump really angry the big beautiful ceasefire ended up going down in flames like almost immediately apparently Well, he should be angry and and and I tried to look up who violated it in the first thing I found was One thing is that they Iran agreed to ceasefire six hours before Israel would I mean in other words It was sort of like okay if you stop fighting, then nothing happens for six hours, then I'll stop fighting. Exactly. And apparently that's how Trump arranged it

because he, it seems to me, like doesn't trust Netanyahu. I don't know, I don't, I don't. I heard about this last night, a friend was telling me, hey, you know, there's a ceasefire. And I said, wow, wonderful, you know, the ceasefire. And I said, wow, wonderful. You know, great. And I honestly think we should let it happen and leave it alone. And hopefully this will hold. And if Trump, you know, Trump folds, you know.

Yeah. Well, I heard about it and I was reading it. I'm thinking to my gut, it felt premature, not because I didn't want it to be true. It wasn't one of those things. I didn't want it to be true. It wasn't one of those things I was hoping that it would be true. But like I said, Jerry ended up writing me. I don't know it You know, I'll believe it's over when it's over You know the way it takes a little more time there because you just know you're dealing with a couple of hotheads really on this issue Not so much

I'm not so much a couple of hotheads if you really look at the history, and you mentioned things yesterday about Mosaddegh, about how they couped him out of there as soon as...and they installed the Shah of Iran, and the Shah of Iran was in there. I looked up, he was there for 26 years, from 53 to 79, and he had a police state. And Iran finally, when the Shah came to be treated for anyway that's too long of a story. Yeah you know and I wasn't saying and I wasn't saying that Mosaddegh was a great guy I wasn't implying that at all it's just that he was the one that they voted for and so it was totally imperfect the main thing

was that he was trying to nationalize the oil back then so you know the Iranians they they don't feel very charitable to us, and we've given them reason not to say that it's okay to go G hot either. But I'm saying that it's not like it happened out of nothing. That's all I was getting at, you know, the bad feelings over the years. Just because we're going to run out of time, I think. But Netanyahu has been screaming for years that Iran is on the verge of having a nuclear weapon. That's been happening for about 30 years, as far as I know. And he keeps saying we're a month or a week, or maybe at most a year away from Iran having one nuclear bomb. Why is nobody screaming about Israel having all these?

And I heard this morning a former ambassador on, you know, way too steeped in this bill. And you know, it's driving me crazy. It's depressing me a whole lot. I was not surprised that the ceasefire was violated. And typical Netanyahu strategy is to violate the ceasefire and blame the other guy. And I think that's what happened because the first bombs went off in Tehran two hours after Israel's turn to stop. Okay, so what was the timeline with the missiles going into Qatar? Or was that something which was part of the delay before we're going to enforce it?

Trump was saying, hey, we're gonna let everybody... all the missions that you already have in place, we're gonna let you finish those up but then we're going to stop oh I don't know I don't know if there was a there was a time it my feeling for sure knowing that you know I've been watching um Jeffrey Sachs and he has been really public and really clear about the whole history of Netanyahu's. And Netanyahu is manipulating Trump. That is really absolutely no question that that's what's going on. And Jeffrey Sachs has bluntly said over and over that America handed over, and Scott Ritter said the same thing, and even John Merzheimer, all of these experts on Ukraine and Israel and the Middle East are

all saying that Netanyahu has been handed the task of forming U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. And you agreed with that with me yesterday, I know. Well, we certainly rhyme along with this. It does appear that what AIPAC wants, AIPAC gets. And now people can say, hey, they don't donate a lot of money, but they seem to hold a lot of sway in Congress right now. This is nothing which has been hidden. It kind of hides out in the open. I know that what ends up happening is that you have people like, oh, Congressman Thomas Massie, who is, you know, blowing the whistle on that, getting people

a little more knowledgeable about it, that congresspeople tend to have an APAC minder. It's not necessarily about the money, it's about the... I think it's about between many people from the evangelical community keep their Congress critters in line and various other things. And Netanyahu's had more of a free hand, arguably, than other people might have in a similar situation because of that. And there's great cultural support for Israel, too. I understand that. I understand this. But... It's folding. I mean, I've been watching. Of course, I'm going to see what I want to see on the internet. But you can find... I've been watching a lot of people saying that Trump... You know, Candace Owens, if you don't know her, you should look her up. She's a great...

I know Candace. I've watched a little of her stuff. Well, she's saying Trump is betraying us. And you know why? Because Netanyahu has got his hand up behind his back. I am not totally there. I am not there. Because I have a feeling... Because President Trump is a deal-maker, first and foremost. I don't think Trump is being manipulated by anybody that he doesn't want to be manipulated by okay I don't I just Well, I hope our media gets the truth about who violated this he sir because I would find it very very hard to believe that Iran

agreed to I'm gonna have you know Louie. I'm gonna have to look up the timeline at this point very, very hard to believe that Iran agreed to stop. I'm going to have to look up the timeline at this point. Me too. I don't even know if I care who violated it first. I just knew it was going to be violated. I just thought it was going to be premature to declare it over. That's all I was going to get at.

I think at this point, let's just hold, I'm going to hold judgment off, hold off judgment. And let's just kind of let it roll or let it ride. Okay. And see where this goes. I'll be watching for that. I'll be looking at the timeline myself. And I hope, I really hope that Trump's anger gets back to Netanyahu or whoever violated the ceasefire.

And they actually will go back to Netanyahu or whoever violated the ceasefire, and they actually will go back to a ceasefire. If they don't, you really, everybody really needs to look at the whole history. You know, we sent Saddam Hussein after Iran because of the hostage crisis during the Trump administration. Do you remember under Reagan, eight years of war between Iraq and Iran, in which we were supporting Saddam Hussein. He was our boy. He was our boy until he wasn't our boy, essentially. And that tends to be the way that we've operated

in the Middle East for a long time. Everyone's dealing from both sides of the deck, and it's just kind of like a...I guess they call it real politic, right? Isn't that what they call it, Brother Louis? Ultimately, I think somebody out there with a lot of power wants constant war. That's what I really feel is really behind all this at the deepest level. Okay, well, if you think that's going to happen though, defense stocks have gone down in price over the last day after going up so maybe look at this as a buying opportunity okay brother Louie all right so I actually I actually need to hope for the best on that Trump's peace lawyer but I still don't think you can go wrong buying things that blow stuff up okay right now just saying just thinking all right I appreciate the call

thank you brother Louie and hey well thank you for giving me this much time you know I appreciate you so much because I do think you're pretty even-handed and sober about these things. Yeah, well, I'm not surprised at what happened, but President Trump being angry at both sides on this, I think, is a good thing. And when President Trump is angry, bad things could happen to people so hopefully they'll shape up and fly properly fly straight okay appreciate the call it's 638 at Kamedi 99 3 KBXG we'll catch up on some other news here in just a moment and then back to the Oregon legislature Kevin Gill joins me from Clouser drilling and they ended up passing a well bill. Oh my gosh, once again another

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Here to talk more about that, Kevin Gill from Clouser Drilling, who is the sponsor of a program. That's my dog in the fight, but we appreciate you being here and sponsoring the podcast and so much more, Kevin. What happened with this bill, HB 2808? You said it passed by one vote? That was it? Yeah, Bill. It was voted on.

There was two fee package bills yesterday, 2808, which was related to well construction, licensing of well drillers and exam fees and stuff like that. The big one in here which I'll get into in a minute was the start card fee for domestic wells and then there was a house bill 2803 which I'll talk about in a minute. But the start card which is a permit you get to drill a domestic well is going to go north $140 and it's going to start on 7-1. They declared an emergency. So there's literally, you've got quotes out there,

you got to revise them right away because that fee goes into effect on 7-1. Six days from now, the price of drilling a well goes up by that much. Very interesting. They were that desperate to get the fees increased that quickly, huh? Well, and in the department's Defense Water Resources Department, this is their well inspection program and it's funded out of the start card. So some of that we support. We tried, our association tried to help them get money out of the general fund to keep our costs reasonable for our customers and we thought we had that.

That's why I hadn't talked much about it. And that got shot down and they went straight to the thing they know best. And so the fees are going to go from 350 to 490 for the start card. Plus there's a $300 recording fee. So really the new cost is 790. Okay, now what is a start card though? Is that the start card? In other words, nobody can even begin to look at drilling a well until you get a start card? Is that how that works or what? Yeah, that's the permit. It's an interchangeable term with a well permit. All right. All right. So, I mean, this is bad.

I mean, it's certainly not good for people that are wanting to get their well drilled or getting a new drill well drilled here in Southern Oregon. Is that a big percentage of the cost of drilling a well though? Isn't the drilling fees and everything else that would go on there actually a greater part overall? It is but this is becoming a large portion. I did share with you some a survey that we did in the West here and now our fees are some of the highest if not the highest in the West as far as drilling a well. Some of the counties... So Oregon's 45th in education but number one in well fees or getting to be number one in well fees. That's

interesting. Yeah, yeah. Not only that Bill, one thing I want to point out with the corporate activity tax or the gross receipts tax, you pay a tax on the fee. An increase as this fee goes up, the corporate activity you can pay more on the fee. Okay, so heads the state of Oregon government wins and a tails we lose here in Southern Oregon. Okay. All right. I did want to say something. E. Warner Reske was on your program and he said, well, when the when the cat tax was was was voted in, it wasn't voted in, it was voted down by the voters and then it was put in by executive order by Governor

Brown. So I just wanted to clarify the cat tax was never voted in by the people. Mm-hmm. Yeah, just like climate friendly, equitable communities were never voted in either, just put in by executive order. I find it fascinating that Democrats in D.C. are so upset with President Trump using executive orders, but they seem to have no problem with executive orders in the state of Oregon going against the people. It's amazing, isn't it? Well, it is, Bill. And the other bill that passed with this fee package is the water right transfer. So if you remember, we were talking about Senate Bill 1153, where they're

looking to really stop most all water rights, but on the other end, on the House side, they're looking to increase the transfer fee. But I mean, simple math tells you if you increase the number by a large percent on a small or no number, that revenue is going to be zero to nothing. So, I don't know what the logic there is. So, they also pass an increase with transferring a water right, you sell a piece of property, and then you have to transfer the water right, there's a fee to transfer that right? Really? Well, it's if you have a water right. Let's say you have an in-stream right and you want to transfer it to a well or change your point that you're pulling out of the river or you have to drill another well because your well failed for commercial purposes, non-domestic. Senate Bill 1153, if they deem it to be

connected to critical fish habitat, Senate Bill 1153 will shut those water rights down, but on the House side, they just passed a 50% increase on the transfers. Well, a 50% increase of nothing is nothing. Yeah, okay. I'm sorry that I'm scratching my head a little bit on wondering why they're doing this, but I guess ultimately would you believe, Kevin, by the way, Kevin Gill from Clauser Drilling, would you believe overall, Kevin, that the state of Oregon just doesn't want wells being drilled, period, or not?

Well, they're trying to do too much too fast and instead of evaluating the effects of policies they've already implemented they're just throwing everything at the wall all at once which I think is a really bad idea. Just like we've talked to take in your card in the mechanic and instead of diagnosing the problem they just start bolting new parts on your car and then the problem's not solved. Now then, this bill passed yesterday. Now, was this the final reading, the final passage, so it doesn't have to go back to the Senate? It's just going to go to Governor Tina Kotec?

Yeah, that bill is going to move right along. And along with that, what transfer fee increased it? People that have private dams on their property, those are inspected annually for hazard, and those fees for inspection, the annual inspection will go up 56 to 58 percent. And that's part of House Bill 2803. Don't you find it interesting that yesterday the Republicans or several Republicans were protesting and walking off the floor and this had to do with the manhandling of Shelley Beaux-Arts Davis and of course she was being abused by the Democratic Committee chair over that point that was was causing problems. That being said, but they wouldn't walk off enough to deny quorum. It would have stopped this bill dead in its tracks, wouldn't it?

It would have. And the big picture now for all of us, and you talk about you're doing a great job of keeping your listeners posted on transportation package. That's the one we're really looking at. And then the firearms bills, those of us who like to have our freedom and hunt and target shoot,

those are of concern as well. And we only have a few days left of the state legislature if the Republicans would grow a spine and just say, you know, we're being abused, we're not being paid attention to, our legislation is not being passed or even given any kind of attention whatsoever. We're just here to vote for Democratic Party-backed legislation like what you talked about, increasing the well fees and the transfer fees and all the rest of it. What's the point of staying there right now? Well, you've brought this up on your show, but the argument that I'm hearing is, well, we can make it less worse for Oregonians and the Democrats will bring

these back in the short session. And then I would say, yeah, so what? Okay, of course they're going to bring it back in the short session. They'll always bring bad stuff back in the short session. And I'm not yelling at you. Yeah, in this life you've got to prioritize what's in front of you right now. Yeah, yeah. It's like, this is the battle right in front of us right now. This is the battle before us. And it would be like, let's say you had the Revolutionary War things. Well, you know, if we end up fighting the king, the king's just going to bring his army back next time. It's like, yeah, that's why you kill the king's army right now in front of you. Okay. Boy, it's frustrating watching this legislative

session, isn't it? I know you as a well guy, you've been watching this session and you've been telling us about this for months now, Kevin. Yeah, and this is all volunteer time. I mean, I'm not a lobbyist. We're just trying to protect our water users in southern Oregon. We don't think people in the north understand how important that is to us down here. So, you know, as long as there's enough well water to have, well, the tourism industry enabled so that when they come down to visit their national parks and things, then the northern Democrats will be happy happy I'm being a little bit sarcastic yeah doesn't matter if the people you know they they'll come down here to to view the the poor southern Oregonians in their natural habitat you know no water no power no jobs you know that sort of

thing is an oh look at this way we feel boy We feel so much better being up in Portland now Sorry for my sarcasm. Okay. No, I mean it's real but at some point We've got to fight it with common sense and you you would think that it would prevail but it hasn't yet Yeah, and that's why we're imploring. I know that that denying quorum is a nuclear option But at this point they're just going to run through absolutely everything they have on the floor between now and Sunday, unless they screw up, and I mean being the Republicans screw up the schedule right now, the legislative schedule. Okay, thanks

for the report. Sorry that it didn't go your way. I have been praying for you, hoping it up, but thanks for keeping us in the room there, Kevin. All right? Be well. Yep, we're going to stand in and fight. All right, Kevin Gill, clouds are drilling. It's 6.55 at KMED, 99.3 KBXG on the Bill Meyers show. There's plenty of entertainment at the Jackson County Fair, but we're looking for homegrown

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private property in Oregon. I've been battling this forever. I won't get into the little nuances of how I've done this. But to revisit a story with Fire District 3 that I shared over a month ago. Oh yeah, that was what they were insisting on coming in to the property? Oh no, no they assaulted me in my home, shut me up against the wall. Oh, what happened with that? Because I know you were really upset about this. And I didn't hear anything that happened afterwards. What happened? By ignoring it, they thought it would go away. So one day out of curiosity, because I had not heard back from the chief or administration, I stopped at the main firehouse on Agate Road, White City,

and just like the other place, they lie like police lie. And I met one of the little brown shirts downstairs at the Citadel, which is a brick building with blacked out windows. And lie, lie, there's nobody here. Well, finally he broke. So, well, let me see if the chief is here. And down came the battalion chief. And just like the previous two visits with District Three firefighters, they're laughing at me. I'm I'm a joke and there was my body being assaulted my presence at my home and So I have to get over the smirking and the laughing like adolescent boys because that's who they are firemen are adolescent boys and They had listened heard me on

KMED the Bill Meyer show yes, and and I had listened, heard me on KMED, the Bill Maier show. Yes. And that's what came through this little, they pierced this veil of secrecy. And what I learned, and he's saying authoritatively now, well, once you call 911, there is no Bill of Rights, okay? What? Look, no, I couldn't have made this up.

And I know this is, this is in the age of, you know what swatting is? Pam Bronte had her family home swatted because... Yeah, Joe Paggs ended up being swatted too. Someone calls the police on someone and then they claim that bad things are happening, hence the SWAT team arrives and then just you bust in and you know yeah very dangerous. The important thing to remember is is you can now take your computer to phone technology and display any number you want so 911 can hit the Bill Meyer home and it wasn't you that called because they want to use SWAT

these guys want to be promoted to the local SWAT teams. That is not a policing action. Well, generally speaking, most police departments, if there's any concern about violence that could be there, they really want police there first before they're going to go in, Don, wouldn't you say? That's been my... Okay, I'm all for safety, but the SWAT team is a military action. It is not a policing action, just to make that distinction. But here's where this goes real quickly. I think I'm gonna give your time back. This guy then takes his notepad out of his pocket. He was dressed very finely, by the way, military

alignment all. He was good. And he holds up his pen up at shoulder height because he's making a theatrical display he says note like note you heard a note to self says note no more home searches what by him saying it is gonna do away with it and is he's pacifying me I'm not pacified they lie every opportunity they get because they have the same authority to lie. Okay, now you're claiming then that the battalion chief at that point, whoever the chief was you're speaking of, said that they're not going to do home searches any longer? What is notepad? No more home searches. No more home searches. Okay. Because that's what they did in my home.

They searched for no reason. The four brown shirts in here, besides the two medical persons. Well, were they called on the basis of someone claiming that someone had been harmed there? I called for a guest that I had who was having a crisis. He was able to walk out, didn't need six people. He walked out with the two medical personnel. So what were the four firemen doing in here milling about, bumping over each other, and laughing at me when I'm pushed up against the wall and it's not funny and I'm sharing it on your show and all it takes is sorry that happened or you know. Well yeah, yeah that

would seem reasonable. Yeah we were, we were you know not, we were not, well of course the other thing you'll hear a lot of times in the law enforcement world, we were not following procedure, proper procedure. I went on the District 3 webpage and it is woefully skeletonized. There is no District 3 goals or policies, community connection. It's just pretty blank.

And everybody else has these elaborate pages that are grandiose and well maybe what you should do here Don is run for for the fire district board how about that well what bothers me is I know the man this is going back to the 60s that actually started what became district tree LC Liz and B then they don't even think about the character of that man that created this whole concept of this district tree. So that being the case, I know there's room for a civilian oversight of public entities because

they are little kingdoms. They're fiefdoms, if you would. They're taxing agencies that never need less money. It's not about efficiency or service. It's about money. And so we're hoping then for a lighter touch on this one. And by the way, if the chief that spoke to you would like to come on the program, he'd be more happy to talk with him about it and want to clear the air. And maybe this marriage can be saved. At least, so you're not looking for money, you're looking for an apology is what you're looking for.

Well, yeah, civilian oversight at least, the ability to contact administrators instead of having the lowest of the ranks out there doing the interceding and interference, they're interfering. But there's room for change at every public agency and that's why I do what I can by being a squeaky wheel. Thank you for squeaking on Pebble in Your Shoe Tuesday, Don. All right, be well. All righty. This is KMED, KMED HD1, one Eagle Point Medford KBXG grants pass. Save the date Thursday.