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Episode Date: June 24, 2025

Big changes could be coming due to Senate Changes in that Big Beautiful Bill. Knox Williams joins me from the American Suppressor Association to talk about it all. Open for Business with Cheriesse from No Wires Now Open phones and more wrap the morning.

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What is that overall? Is it like a trade group of one sort or another? Tell us a little bit about your background, then we'll go into the big, beautiful bill deal. Yes, sir. So we are a nonprofit, a 501C6, that basically works on behalf of the entire suppressor community. So everything from manufacturers and distributors to dealers and consumers. We've got members at all levels of the spectrum. Okay, so the whole deal about getting the NFA tax stamp removed from suppressors, tell us what is the status of that right now? And something that I've kind of wondered about is that do the regulations about suppressors, if it ends up being passed in the bill,

do the regulations go away and it goes back to the way it was before the Great Depression when you could go into a hardware store and buy a suppressor just off the shelf? What say you? So, yes sir, the simple answer is that it changes quite a bit. So the House as part of President Trump's one big beautiful bill, passed language that

would remove suppressors from the curvy of the National Firearms Act. Now that is the law that has been regulating suppressors since 1934. And at its core, it is a tax law. It is really nothing more than a way for the government to tax certain items, including suppressors, short barrel firearms like short barrel rifles and shotguns, machine guns, destructive devices, and a host of other things. And it was passed in the thirties as an attempt to try and raise dollars, raise revenue through the sale of these items and to also discourage their sales.

So what we're trying to do through the reconciliation process is remove suppressors from the National Firearms Act, get rid of the $200 tax that was levied on them in 1934. And what it wouldn't do is completely deregulate them. They would still be classified as firearms under the Gun Control Act, which means that you would still have to go through actually the exact same background check, because under GCA, there's still firearms.

Everybody thinks that the National Firearms Act is some super secret squirrel, intense deep dive of a background check. It is not. It is the exact same background check as if you were to buy a rifle, a pistol, or a shotgun. So the idea that the DIMMs are trying to push that, you know, hey look, this is a total deregulation. It's just factually not true. You still have to have a background check if you're buying these commercially and it would not change the

legality of them in any of the 42 states where they're legal or any of the eight states where they're currently prohibited. Yeah, it's really fascinating that we have states that do prohibit this under the guise of, I mean, I've, you know, most of the time, especially in the blue hive mind states, and Oregon is a blue hive mind state, they have wanted to go after this. I don't think they prohibited it in Oregon yet, right? They haven't done that because we still have new suppressors here. But they always talk about it as if suppressors are used in crime.

It's like they all go down the Hollywood lie that suppressors make a gun silent and nothing could be further from the truth. Fair enough? Absolutely. I mean, that notion that these things can completely silence noise of a gunshot that only criminals want them, there's a word for that. Propaganda. All right. So when it comes right down to it, this is a safety device. And I'm amazed that there's any state that bans safety devices. Which ones do? Do you know if you don't mind

me asking? Which ones are that stupid? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, look, I think that you could probably guess that it's your your most vehemently anti-gun states So California, New York, Illinois, Hawaii, New Jersey, Delaware, Rhode Island Massachusetts, you know these these anti-gun bastions That really oppose them for no reason other than they have to do with guns and they don't like anything related to firearms. Yeah, except that a suppressor is even required in many places overseas, like in the European Union. I know there are countries that are involved in this. They consider it a necessity. They look at this as something not only for hearing protection,

but also protecting the hearing of your neighbors and the peace and quiet of the neighborhood. Don't you find that interesting? You know, over there. And they're not exactly pro-gun in a lot of those countries. Yeah, exactly. It's one of those rare issues where, you know, there's places abroad with far less favorable firearms laws, but far more favorable laws on suppressors. And you're absolutely right.

At the end of the day, suppressors are a tool that reduces the noise of a gunshot to safer levels. It doesn't mean they're absolutely right. At the end of the day, suppressors are a tool that reduces the noise of a gunshot to safer levels. It doesn't mean they're safe levels. They're still loud enough that you should still actually wear traditional hearing protection like earplugs and earmuffs. They're not a direct substitute. But limiting the exposure and reducing the exposure, that noise at the source is one

of the most effective ways to combat preventable noise-induced hearing loss, tinnitus, which is ringing in your ears. Things that we should all be able to agree on are good policy. This is truly common sense. Now this is something that has been requested from the Second Amendment community for a long, long time. Now I heard rumors that there's also talk about deregulating or doing the same thing to a short barrel rifle as an example or a short barrel shotgun. Is that also part of this Senate change or is that a different aspect of the Big Beautiful Bill? I don't know if you're aware of that or not. Yes sir. So yes, when the One Big Beautiful

Bill was transmitted over to the Senate, the Senate did make some changes, and one of those changes relates to the firearms provisions. Because suppressors and short-fire rifles and short-fire shotguns and any other weapons are classified altogether under the National Firearms Act, the Senate language actually removes all of those items from the National Firearms Act. I do think it's kind of splitting hairs, but I think it's important to note that it's not really a Deregulation more so just a removal of them from this taxing scheme You know again, you're paying a transfer tax that was set up in 1934 that actually used to go Fall under the purview of the Treasury, you know, this is all an IRS tax code in the statute

the registry the nfrtr federalistry of these guns, exists solely as a way to track who has paid these taxes. You know, it's used for other purposes, but at its core that's how it was justified by Congress. The Supreme Court in 1937 and again as recently as 2012, you know, upheld this stuff as a taxing scheme, which is why we feel so confident that this is germane to the reconciliation process. Knox Williams is the president and executive director of the American Suppressor Association. We're talking about the big, beautiful bill. And of course, your nonprofit, of course, is saying, hey, this needs to pass and that

would be fine. What I'm curious about is do you have to, so you would just have to go to the firearms dealer and still pass the background check like you would if you wanted the suppressor, is that the same also with the short barrel rifle and the shotgun? And the reason I bring this up is that the process of getting a suppressor up to this point is that I had to go to the gun store and it really took a long time. It took a lot of... it was a real commitment, right? You know, you'd buy the suppressor, you'd fill out the paperwork, you'd have to get fingerprints and submit fingerprints to the local sheriff

in order to do this. Now, I don't know, is that a state requirement or was that a federal requirement as part of that and does that go away as part of this bill? Yes sir, so in order to purchase any NFA item you have to fill it was called a form for which is a standard ATF piece of paperwork. It's asked for make model serial number, your personal information, and you're correct you have to pay $200 transfer tax, you have to submit fingerprint, two copies of fingerprint cards and duplicate copies of the passport photo. And it's important to understand the context of why.

When this was passed in 1934, there wasn't a national ancient criminal background check system. There was no way to vet people other than going to local law enforcement. And so that was why they had the fingerprint and photo requirements. And that's also why you used to be required to notify your chief law enforcement officer. Now that was taken away through regulatory reform about 10 years ago. But nonetheless, those antiquated requirements really do nothing for the process. They have stepped, you know, because the statute has never been changed. So yes, removing suppressors and short-pull

rifles and short-pull shotguns from the NFA, you would no longer have to do, fill out a Form 4, you would no longer have to pay the tax, you would no longer have to do fingerprints and passport photos, but you would still have to fill out a Form 4473, which is for all intents and purposes identical without the tax. Without the tax. All right. Another question I would have, what about people who have suppressors from the old law?

And I do. You know, I have some. And I was even warned at that time, boy, you better carry around a copy or a picture of that tax stamp wherever you go with that suppressor. Because if for some reason, police or law enforcement would ever ask you, you better have that or else you're in big trouble. Does that completely go away now?

I don't have to worry about that. Yeah, that would go away. I mean, it would be just like any other firearm. As long as you're permitted to have that firearm in the jurisdiction where you're in, you don't need to have proof of tax paid, which is really, you're literally carrying around a tax stamp that they have affixed to your approved form for application. So yeah, that is correct. That would go away. Well, this just sounds like common sense,

because it's hearing protection we're talking about. And whether a shotgun barrel is at what, 16 inches or if it's 14 inches or something like that, is it really the federal government's business? What's the whole deal? What was the whole deal about this in the first place too? Oh, I don't know. I guess what is that? Did it have to do with the concealability?

Is that what they were worried about with short barrel rifles and such? Yeah. So if you look back at the congressional debates and the original draft of the National Firearms Act, it actually included handguns. And the call out for suppressors was actually just handgun suppressors. Now, the NRA lobbied to get handguns removed from the purview of the National Firearms Act. Thank goodness for that.

But this idea that you can have a short gun, you can have a long gun, but you can't have a medium-sized gun really makes no sense, right? Yeah, yeah, exactly. A pistol's okay, a long barrel, but something in between, yeah, you're breaking the law and boy, you're a felon, right? That's essentially what would happen to these people. Absolutely. Yes, sir. So it really was just kind of sloppy legislative drafting. When they pulled out the

provision for handguns, they should have pulled out the provision or the language that restricted, you know, short barrels firearms in general, right? Because the idea you can understand in the context of we're going to say no handguns, well, we don't want people, you know, creating a handgun out of a rifle or a shotgun. fair enough. I understand the logic there, but once handguns were taken out, the inclusion of short-barreled rifles and short-barreled shotguns just makes no sense. Sometimes the regulations, Knox, just make my head spin when I would talk with someone over at the Good Geyser, Wellburn's, or any of the other firearms dealers here in southern Oregon, and they would tell me something like,

well, you know, if you put a stock on this, then it becomes a short barrel rifle. If you don't have this and you have a pistol grip here, it has this regulation. And it's like stuff that never made any sense. And it just seemed to be regulations designed to create criminals. Is it just me?

Just kind of felt that way. Yeah, absolutely. And I mean, I think it's important to note for the listeners that even ATF has a hard time keeping up with that. And it changes by administration. Right. And so it creates this untenable set of expectations for law-abiding gun owners who are just trying to do right by the law, but don't understand because the goalpost keeps shifting on them. And really, that is one of the core reasons why removal of these items from the National Firearms Act is such a wonderful

thing to do. It just adds a tremendous amount of clarity for people that are trying to obey the law. I'm thrilled that the Senate actually added these changes that you talked about, Knox. And do you believe there will be any pushback once their version of the big beautiful bill would end up getting sent to the House? What do you think? I think it all hinges right now on what the Senate parliamentarian says is or is not germane to the reconciliation process. So in order to be germane, it's got to have a budget, a primary budget

focus. And of course with the tax stamp, that's where the money comes in, right? So that would seem to fit. Exactly. Right. Yes sir. Yeah, I mean, I don't know how she could put the straight-faced rule that this isn't primarily a budgetary issue, right? Like this is housed in the tax code, but we're just kind of waiting to see what she says on that because I think that this whole debate really hinges on what she says. And if she allows us to stick in the bill, then I think that we've got some sailing ahead of us.

All right. Hey, website where you can find out more about this and also see the letter in support that knocks on the group over at the American Suppressor Association ended up submitting. It's a pretty simple website. It's long, americansuppressorassociation.com, but at least it's the same name that we've been talking about this morning. Knox, it is a pleasure having you on and thanks for the update and thanks for the good work on this one supporting it, okay? Be well. Thank you so much. 24 minutes after 8. Oh, by the way, before you take off, Knox, you still there? Yes, sir. Yep. Is there any encouragement we should be doing to the United States, either our senators or our House of Representatives to help out?

I don't think you're going to get any help from the Democrat senators of Oregon, but maybe elsewhere? What can we do to help, if anything? Absolutely. So we've got a website stood up. It's hearingprotectionact.com. It's hearingprotectionact.com. We've got a simple form that you can fill out. You put in your information, your name and address,

and it will actually email your elected official, so both senators and your member of the House. And even if it isn't going to the Dems, it still helps, right? Like, let's know these folks or let's let these people know that this is a big issue for their constituents. Yeah, this is not we want to be able to all become Hollywood assassins in the movie and going out there and creep, you know, in the in the background and wait for our quarry to come up before us. That kind of thing. Just nonsense in the first place. But anyway, thanks so much. We'll have you back. Take care, Knox. Be well. Thanks, sir. 825 at KMED, 993KBXG on the Bill Meyers Show.

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good morning to you. Morning Brad how are you what's going on? Good you know so Pebble in Your Shoe, so Bill I know that you track this, you saw that article by Steve Dewin worrying about the exit of really big, the largest employer in Oregon, Tektronix. They're moving their mothership out of state. But the thing that the left is concerned about is, well, they're kind of concerned about that we're losing jobs, but you know what they're really concerned about? They're concerned about now that all of these big companies are moving out of the state of Oregon, who is going to be there to fund all the philanthropic stuff that the left likes to fund, right? That's

what they're worried about. You know, that's what they get worried about. They're not worried about the state going down the progressive toilet. They're not worried about that, right? They're not worried about that, but who's gonna write all those checks? So in a similar, but related deal, we have yet to see the full impact of Doge turning off the money to the left, but we know it's gonna be big, we don't know how big,

but what's interesting, you just saw that Daniel Beth-El has announced for governor, and one of the really early funders, Ferris Lumber, has written her a check, I think, for close to a quarter million dollars. Could you tell me about this individual? I know nothing about this person. She's made her bones as a genuine conservative. Of course, the last time that we had somebody

run it was Christine Dreyse. And Christine Dreyse, of course, is, she's the house minority leader right now. And of course, there is going to be a primary. So you know, we're a ways down the road from that yet. But the thing that was interesting to me is for somebody to write that big of a check this early in the game, I think the progressive left is going to have a much different battle to fight this election cycle and they're not going to have near as much money as they normally do to do it. Because in my opinion though, and this is just my opinion, Christine Drazen was always

kind of a compromised Republican candidate right from the start, in my opinion. I don't know if you have an opinion about that or not, because you know it just reminds me of unfortunately the very typical Republican that finds him or herself elected in the part of the state in which you have all sorts of compromising votes, whether it's tampons in the boys room, etc. It just gets to the point that you want to have somebody run that you actually feel great about voting for, other than, well, it's better than Tina Kotec.

Know what I'm getting at? What? That sort of thing? As you... Yeah, Bill, I think, you know, I was, and I still am a big Christine Drazen fan, and not just because we're both from the same hometown. She's a bright gal.

There are some things that get done for the sake of expediency that we don't like. You know, people, you know, the bottom line is, is if you can't get elected, you can't get anything done. Yeah, I know, except that there's a tendency for a lot of Republicans, they talk about the lack of Republican turnout. And it's because of, well, frankly, some of the nonsense that some of the Republicans in the state legislature have voted for. You know, voting. Yeah. And I'll agree with you on that.

And since you brought up turnout, you know, going, going back to another discussion that you had this morning, when we're talking about, uh, the, the homeless people in the state of Oregon, homeless people can vote and ballot harvesting is legal. Which means that we can have these outfits like Unite Oregon sending activists into the homeless population and helping, and I'm putting air quotes around the word helping, helping them vote. Yeah, helping Oregon's democracy.

Yeah. Right? Yeah. So cultivating the homeless population, again, we all know this stuff, we're just saying it out loud. Cultivating the homeless population is a big benefit for the progressive left. It doesn't benefit small business or moms and dads, you know, normal people. I was watching, I don't know if you read the article on OPB, and it had to do with the problems of, let me see if I can find it,

let me see if I can find it, Brad. Oh, yeah, here it is, OPB. It's an article that came out here. Grants Pass won the legal fight on camps, but continues to lose control of its homelessness crisis, which of course is total BS, because the way they portray it is that the problem is that Grants Pass just hasn't done enough. It hasn't done enough to build affordable housing for people as if

that is the city's job. And if you were... now I was driving in Grants Pass last weekend or the other weekend when they were having the the No Kings Day, right? I just kind of wanted to see what's going on. There's like four camps in the city of Grants Pass right now on various city properties. And the part that I'm thinking is that I'm looking at people who can't even keep a tarp tent neatly. They can't even keep a tarp tent looking good. And what? You hand these people a house and then all of a sudden they're going to be off the drugs and they're going to be able to take care of the grounds and they're going to be able to wash dishes and go to work and have a job and all the rest of it.

It is utter nonsense, Brad. Nonsense. And this is part of the attack. This is part of the angle of attack coming from the, well, like the head of the Democratic Party in Oregon. What was that? The one was Stacey Abrams, Lieutenant, of one form or another, right? That's all part of it.

It is part of weaponizing that group. There's no way that you can just hand these people homes and all of a sudden they're going to be healed and members of the family of man, in my opinion. Just saying. So what you're saying is, is a reasonable, observant person like you would ask, why are these well-funded organizations that get their marching orders and their funding from from out of state like Unite Oregon and Indivisible, why are they so interested in promoting the increase of homeless people in these communities? A reasonable and observant

person would ask that question, wouldn't they? Yeah, and a reasonable person I think would say that it's because that maybe the blacks and hispanics aren't buying their bullstein any longer. Could it be? No, Trump beat the heck out of those. Trump's numbers are the highest in minority population that we've seen ever. Yeah, see before the Democratic Party, now they still have a big control. I'm not saying that it's gone, but there's a growing percentage of Hispanic and other minority voters that are saying, you're full of it, guys, and girls. Of course, you guys don't even know what guys and girls are. You can't really define that.

And so there might be voting with more with their feet than we think. And so, well, we have to come up with another sock puppet group and that would be the drug addicted homeless. Okay. That's the next growth industry. Maybe that's it. I'm just speculating. Okay.

I'm looking forward to you keeping us up to date because when we've got people getting into the race, writing checks that, that big, this early in the game, this there's going to be a lot on the table. I'm looking forward to having you keep us up to date on all this stuff going on, Bill. We'll do, brother Brad. Thanks for the call, okay? Take care.

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it's not like that. All right. I'll have to come by and visit and check out Blue here. So anything going on with Dish? You have a little note here that Dish was cyber attacked back in the day, you know, back by, they think it was China and Russia, and people are thinking that there's a problem with these these services or something, satellite services. You know, a lot of people are going to streaming, a lot of people, you know, are watching on their TV, their news, everything's streaming nowadays, and with Dish, they already tried to cyber attack us, they already tried to shut the Dish off

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You can't beat that. I've been really pleased with it and with the Dish Hopper. I have the Hopper. In fact, I think I even have the vintage version of the Hopper. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The new Hopper Plus has all the apps on it. It has your Netflix. But a lot of people don't really need it though because they already have a smart TV. Actually, I must have the newer version of it because I have apps on the Dish one too. Yeah. All right. My clients like both. My clients that come in and talk to me, they want their traditional TV service, but they also want to be able to stream and I can help you do that and save money. I'm saving the average person $200 a month on their services.

And this is what I'm going to just say to kind of wrap this is that, yeah, your mileage may vary, but it's one of those things when I say mileage, even though we're not talking mileage though, but your results may vary. But I have to tell you, I've really enjoyed what's going on here. The thing to do is that people need to call you, become a client, you take old equipment back, you become a client and you end up negotiating with the spectrums and everybody else. If someone's screwing you on a price increase, you do this. In fact, you help my mother's side of things on the spectrum side because that's all she's

allowed to have in her building. And you help her save money every month. We appreciate this kind of stuff. I got her internet to 30 bucks. It was like 80 something. And so I mean, yeah, if you're overpaying, you need to do something about it and I'll help you. So I'm here for you. And this is what you do. 541-680-5875, 541-680-5875, call or text message. You can text message a copy of the bill and have her go to work or just say, hey, I need to come down and talk with you and let's see about this.

And let's see, how about that? You have an offer for three months free of dish, something like that going on. What else is happening? Yeah, three months free dish. I have free cell phones, free cell phone service for a whole year. If you get the, and to go back to your question, if you get dish and you get the top 200, you get that free for three months. Okay. So if it's $100 a month, you get that free for, it's kind of a cool deal.

All right, get in touch with Charisse and find out what the rules and restrictions are, like everything else. But I appreciate you being on open for business you're locally owned business and doing good work out there thanks again Sharice anything else you want to add before we take off no just come and see me come talk to me all right and see the new dog blue I haven't met blue yeah okay is he a biter is my fans you know he's Australian Shepherd great Pyrenees. Okay, that's a bigger dog, isn't it?

Yeah, he's a sweetie. Yeah, because I remember Turbo was like a little rat dog of some sort, I thought. Little rat dog. All right, Charisse. Thanks for the call. Of course, No Wires Now is on Biddle Road next door to the Cigar Cave in the neighborhood of People's Bank. All right. thanks so much.

Thank you. Bye, Charisse. It's 847.openforbusiness. Randy is standing by. Randy, we appreciate you being here. Open phones on Pebble in Your Shoes Tuesday. You got one or something else on your mind? Go ahead.

Okay, well, Brad was talking about the homeless situation. Back when Obama, I think it was his first term, a bunch of libs got together, Oprah Winfrey, Barbra Streisand, Michelle Obama, and a bunch more. And they raised a bunch of money, and they went to, they handpicked a hundred families that were in poverty, you know, on welfare, and they put them in a new house, gave them a new car, made sure they had a job, $100,000 in the bank. Now, I say that's not a bad bit of a seed fund for you to get started on a new life, right?

Yeah, new life. And the idea was, well, all these people need is to leg up and they're going to fly. And you know, that's something which is reasonable. You're thinking okay well if if we're having problems in your life here you have no funding, you have no way to get a good house, you have a bad neighborhood that you're in as sort of a spiral, right? It's a reasonable theory you would put out there. Right, right. So a year later out of the hundred, two took off and flew. The other 98 were right back in the toilet. Oh no. Yeah.

Isn't that kind of the way... I'm here about it because it was an abject failure of a project. But isn't that sort of the way that the progressives want to treat the homelessness problem? The only problem is that we just need a house. And that was part of the Obama administration too. They called it Housing First. Right. And that's the whole point.

It's not, there are just some people that have no gumption. They don't want to get off their backside and do anything. You can give them everything. And as long as you give, give, give, they'll take. But out of 100, 2% said, wow, this is our chance. And the other 98% said, oh, they'll take. But out of a hundred, two percent said, wow, this is our chance. And the other 98 percent said, oh, gee, thanks, but we're just going to sit on the couch, play video games and smoke pot. Okay. Well, you know, that actually sounds like a job in the state of Oregon. I'm sure

they would qualify, you know, play video games. I'm just kidding. But in all seriousness, though, this takes us back to the Housing First situation. When I was, I see these housing developments, or these housing encampments in Grants Pass, and you're looking at sloppy and dirty and unkempt and all the rest of it. And I'm thinking to myself, there's a poverty of the spirit for some of these people right now. And I imagine it's probably unkempt, not just because of money, but because they're drug addicted and they're not in their right mind. And so what is handing a house or free housing paid for by Grants Pass citizens going to

do to fix the addiction process there? Where am I wrong about that, Randy? Well, you're not. And because they don't want to go out and work. That's the problem. They get used to it. It's like anything else. If you're given something, you have no incentive to maintain it because you didn't earn it. If you go out and you work and you earn something, then you have pride in it and you want to keep it in good shape. But if somebody just gives it to you, oh, well, somebody else come on my lawn, I'm not going to do it. I feel completely different about people who I've run into because I've talked with homeless

people. There was a time that I was over think it was over in I was over by the outback by the Walmart in Medford in that neighborhood and there was someone there and they were you know panhandling for some money and I could see that this family was living in their car. Yeah. And I went up and I talked with her and she told me the story you know this is, and this particular story is real. And she was almost a full-time worker, but she talked about the price of housing as so high that, you know, given even a $15, $16 an hour job at that point, it was next to impossible to find housing at an affordable rate that would take someone of her income, of her income to be able to take care of her and her child. That

is real. That is a real issue, I think. So I'm not trying to downplay the cost of housing here, but you know, just to say that everybody that's within a blue tarp tent is going to magically be transformed into a citizen that is just cool as they're sticking the fentanyl in their veins. Probably not going to happen, Randy. It's not. Exactly. You hit the nail right on the head. And we seem to have a smarter way of dealing with something like that in the past, institutionalizing, which of course is also very expensive. You got to get them off the drugs first. You got to get off the drugs. You got to be off this. All right. Randy, thank you for calling

on Pebble in Your Shoe Tuesday. There's a boulder in mine too. Hi, good morning. And who's this? This is Minor Dave. Hello, Dave. And since Oregon legislature is making it impossible to conduct business, they must be working to make trade or business illegal. So how do you expect to pay for everything when you know you can't conduct business because you can't drill well, derogate your

garden? Well you can, you're just going to have to pay a lot more. It's what Kevin Gill from Klauser was talking about this morning and it's so important that it had to go into effect six days from now. Can you believe that? Well, yeah, that's anti-business because the more they make it cost, the more it isn't going to happen. A guy like me that lives on $1,100 a month, it's impossible to do anything because everything costs so much and they want to make it cost more. All right.

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And you know, Kevin told me yesterday, hey, you know, the price of the wells are going to be going up July 1. And I have I have people, buyers and potential buyers come all the time here to subdivision and say, why is the price of the lot so high. You know, we can't have affordable housing anymore because the state continues to raise the cost. I'm not raising the cost of the lots, they're raising the cost of the lots. And then we haven't even gotten into the position of all of the system development charges and the state and local permitting too, right? Right, I mean, it costs thousands and thousands of dollars per lot.

When you put your application in pre-app to the county, then you've got to go through final flat. And the costs are just, but then the state sits here and they say, well, we got to create affordable housing. Well, the land we have, we only have so much of it that we can build on, and then they turn around and they continue to add cost to it and then they complain, well, we got to get affordable housing. Now, John, I want to ask you, how long did it take you as a developer to purchase the land, get all the permitting process to the point where you can actually get lots ready. How long did it take? Do you know?

Usually two to three years Two two to three years, which means you have to borrow money, right? You have to borrow money and And have it sit around two or three Sometimes even four years, I guess, if it keeps dragging on before you can even get a profit out of it. Right? I mean, that's before you even start. And people wonder why it's so expensive.

Hey, I'm not... Yeah, you take our project here, 35 lots, and there's a few four-acre parcels. The rest are five acres to nine acre parcels. And you know, you purchase it for a million to $2 million, then you put a million dollars into the road, then you put a half a million dollars into some of the power system. And then you got wells, septic, and you got driveways, and you got house pads, and you know, pretty soon you're millions of dollars into it and you haven't even sold a lot yet. And that's kind of what I

was getting at. See this is an economic lesson that you have given maybe people who don't know about the you know the cost of money and the cost of time involved in bringing even just a 35 home subdivision into existence. I got to go John we'll have you back though, but thank you for calling, okay, and letting us know. All right. All right. Former Commissioner John West, interesting little economic lesson there.