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Episode Date: June 25, 2025

Interesting talk with private investigator Nils Grevillius from the L.A. area, what it takes to be a good detective and other aspects of his life. His take on the MN political murders. Open phones follow.

The Bill Myers Show podcast is sponsored by Clouser Drilling. They've been leading the way in southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at www.clouserdrilling.com. Nils Crevellius joins me. He's a Los Angeles based private investigator. First licensed as private detective in 1992. He's been doing this a long time. He's forgotten more about it than the new ones know.

Nils, by the way, got his start as a soldier conducting clandestine security border and counter-insurgency operations in the Pacific, Mediterranean, and Latin America. And on a contractual basis, Gravilius conducted private clandestine operations in various nations, too. And his company is Gravilius Detective Services. Nils, it is a pleasure having you on. Welcome to the show. I'm very pleased, Mr. Meyer. Good morning. All right. Good to have you here. So long time you have been doing this. I have never had the pleasure of interviewing a private detective such as yourself. What is it about the work though that you found so compelling? Was it

just a kind of a natural flow with your personality and your digging kind of personality or something else? He was out of necessity. I don't know. What happened? Well, Mr. Meyer, every man has to earn a living. I was always the worst kid in school. I was kind of a fool and a dreamer. If I could have gone in the Army when I was 13, I would have. Instead, I went at 17 and it opened my eyes to a lot of things. I got to see many parts of the world and when I came back, I had ideas that I'd become a lawyer or something like that. Looking for a way to support myself

through law school, I'd been in the Pinkerton service. First, I was going to go for hardhat construction diver, deep sea diver. And then with the aerospace recession after the Gulf War, I decided to go instead with the private detective. And I'd taken an LSAT and was in college. One night I was following a serial rape suspect around Orange County. And I just thought to myself, I'd rather do this than be a lawyer. And so I just stuck with it.

That was, I think, 1993, 94, when I gave up on college. So you found you had an aptitude for it. What type of, is there a type of personality that is best suited for this? I don't know if it's necessarily a type A personality because isn't the idea that normally you're kind of keeping yourself in the shadows to an extent, not drawing too much attention to yourself out there? Or maybe I'm wrong about that. Well, you're not entirely incorrect. Mr. Myer, let me point something out. The Navy SEALS, Delta, British SAS, they're trying to identify a particular emotional quality

in a man when they put them through selection. And most people don't realize that. They think that all the physical things are, to test how strong or durable they are physically, but it's an emotional thing that they're trying to identify. And what it is is the ability to deal with ambiguity under stress. Ah, okay.

And that's the rarest human emotional quality there is. Yeah, ambiguity, in other words, cool under pressure. Is that a good way of translating that? Cool under pressure? I think that's an adequate, apt translation of it. But yes, you can't have any quit in you if you're going to do this. you have to be willing to sit on a subject for 16, 18, 20 hours in the heat or the cold, watching him while he does nothing, hoping that he'll appear, and then suddenly snapping into action, whether it's to take him into custody, to gather evidence with a camera, to witness a criminal happening or a meeting between

people who aren't supposed to meet with each other. So it's all of that, and then it's punctuated with brief moments where the case comes together. And if you don't have the fortitude to do it, you know, to relieve yourself in an old Pepsi bottle or tennis can, to deal with the police when they come by over and over again, demanding to know what you're doing in some particular neighborhood. Yeah, I bet that happens a lot. Well it does.

We call it, you know, code five. Sometimes you tell the police that you're there, but you never say why you're there. You'd be vague and ambiguous. The police have their job to do. I have mine. Yeah. And is it one of those things where hours of boredom may be punctuated with, well, sometimes sheer terror.

I don't know. Is it sometimes a dangerous job? Has it been a dangerous job for you from time to time? Well, Mr. Meyer, in my years, in the years I've been doing this, I've been shot, stabbed, run over, anything you could think of, dogs sicked on me. But I'm okay. I would have been bored in any other job if somebody had hired me to work at a bank. I'd just sit there all day fantasizing how to tunnel in over the weekend.

It's the sort of personality I have. It is definitely a unique personality. I appreciate you being there as part of this. Now, you've actually been involved in all sorts of murder and murder investigations. In fact, there was a famous murder cover-up that you were actually investigating, which I'm looking here on the notes here, that the Wonderland Avenue murders in LA, right? Yes, I spent some time working on that a couple of years. I had the privilege of working with Tom Lang and Bob Souza, who had worked the case for LAPD.

And the real story wasn't the murders. Yes, the murders were horrible, grisly. They knew who had ordered the murders and pretty much who had done the murders within a day of having discovered it. And they were thwarted in their work for years by hidden hands and power in Los Angeles. And that's really the story of Los Angeles. When we watch Chinatown and LA Confidential, what we're really seeing is art-mimicking life. Los Angeles has always been that way. Hidden hands, conflicting agendas, connections that you have to tunnel through to find out why somebody does or fails to do. What is the biggest difference you would say here, Mr. Gravilius, between how the private

detective, the private investigator is portrayed in, let's say, a movie or a television show versus the reality that you yourself are describing? What's a major mistake there, maybe maybe or falsehood that is told within the the PI movie? Well I must tell you that the women I'm involved with are typically much more attractive and they're still treacherous. My English houseboy is actually Scottish. The castle that I live in is very well protected. Nobody ever actually sneaks in. I'm being facetious, you understand? Of course. Got it. But you know, you have a beautiful deadpan way of talking though. Is he serious? Maybe not. I don't know. I was ready to take you at your word, really.

Well no, but Mr. Ma, I appreciate that. If you, if you really want to know the, I think the most accurate of the private detective TV shows is Rockford, the Rockford Files with James Garner. No kidding. You're at risk. Yeah, you're at risk every day. Sometimes your clients will eat you alive. You're always dealing with government officials who are corrupt in one way or another. They don't view incompetence as corruption. They don't view a conflicted interest as corruption. The only way a government official can identify

corruption within government is when somebody's got their hand out and is actually taking cash or something like that. Otherwise, they self-deal all the time. Nils Gravillius once again is an LA-based private investigator. Gravillius Detective Services will certainly put this information up. I wanted to get kind of a feel for who you are here, and I know it's just a few minutes that I have with you.

I wanted to get your opinion on a story or your take on the story, you know, being the expert that you are in such things, on what happened in the Minnesota lawmaker assassinations of a couple of weeks ago. And it's a story which caught everyone's attention and then it vanished out of sight. And when a story like that vanishes out of sight, and then it vanished out of sight. And when a story like that vanishes out of sight, I'm a little suspicious that, I don't know if there might be a cover-up going on or if it's just the wrong narrative

to be able to talk about all the time. And what is your overall take on what happened there with the, very sad, with the lawmaker and husband shot, shot to death, targeted? Well, it's a very disturbing matter. It would suggest that this man might be politically motivated, but once we scratch the surface of that, we can see that even that is conflicted

with him being ordered to kill a senator, that sort of thing, in this letter that he put in his car, claiming that Governor Walz had ordered that. Clearly, whatever faults Governor Walz has, and there are many, he didn't order this man to do this. I'm going to say that this man had a relatively stable employment history, no history of irrational violence. I'm going to say he had a break with reality, possibly arising of cannabis use, high-grade cannabis use.

This could be cannabis psychosis. Really? That's interesting. You're the first person I've heard of even mention something like that. All right. Well, high-grade cannabis can induce paranoid schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder. And somebody suffering from either of those could see things that aren't there, could attribute their own ill motives to somebody else and not be able to sort all of that out, think that they're doing something noble, good, and safe when in fact they're doing something terrible.

But he has no prior history of violence. Yeah, exactly. That's interesting. I think that's the part that surprised me about this, too. However, the one aspect that he had worked for Governor Walz, we know that, and you're right, did have a steady employment history. The part that got me, and I'm wondering if one of the reasons why it sort of disappeared, and nobody seems to want to discuss this much,

was that I'm wondering if it is politically oriented violence, I think the intent was to try to turn him into, well, this is obviously a Donald Trump voter or a MAGA. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's how it was being spun at first. Well, there's a political character in the Democrat Party named Rahm Emanuel, who was chief of staff to Bill Clinton. He was the mayor of Chicago, and he also worked for Barack Obama. Emanuel once said, never let any crisis go to waste.

Okay? So if you can turn it into something useful, turn it into something useful. That's a Democrat way. And they have friends, it seems in the media, don't you think, Mr. Maia, who are always happy to drive their getaway car and amplify any bad news perceived or real for their opposition? I'm going to have to remember that line, Nils, the driving their getaway car in the media. You got to patent that one. I'll give you a great example. You're based in Oregon. Just a little further north you have Portland. There's a vast army of Blue Clucks clan wearing the Portland tuxedo and masked up so no one can identify them. Who drives their getaway car? The media. The media cheers when the Oregon legislature makes

it illegal to reveal who these people are after they've been arrested. True, that's right, with the mugshots. No mugshots, nothing like that. We're not supposed to know. All right, speaking of the masks though, you brought up the mask, and there have been online sleuths of one form or another, self-professed sleuths, saying that they thought that the accused assassin in Minnesota was not, that he didn't look right or that they were implying that there was something else going on because the mask didn't match and that he didn't look like himself on here.

Is there anything to that at all or are they just kind of barking up trees? You know, they talk about the video that would come off of the the ring Where is on the front door and such? How many blue-haired antifa members can dance on the head of a pin, mr. Maya Millions I would imagine Okay, what I think they're trying to do is make chicken salad from chicken poop they're trying to distinguish themselves with some amazing new opinion where there really is nothing. I'm wondering if what is, the reason it's not wanting to be talked about is that if there was a political motivation it would seem if anything it was against people who were not progressive or antifa enough because the people who were targeted here had voted to cut Medicaid funding.

I agree with you and the hard left is always willing to sacrifice somebody insufficiently leftist. Look at RFK and JFK, both assassinated by Marxists. I wanted to take it then back to some of your experience here. So we'll know then. There's nothing new under the sun here. You're thinking it is kind of what it looks, but more likely a psychiatric break is what you're thinking that this gentleman had. Yes, I think he had a sudden break with reality.

There's no slow decline, no series of hospitalizations, arrests, that sort of thing. Okay, all right. Well, I'm sure there's a lot of cannabis, high-grade cannabis, over in Minneapolis, so we'll set that aside here at the moment. Before we take off, I was curious about, you know, in all of your years and all of these cases, must be hundreds if not thousands that you've taken part in over the years, what are some of the ones of note that you would find, we regular civilians who aren't involved in your kind of work, particularly interesting or compelling, maybe exciting if you want, I guess life-threatening too, do you ever have, you must have a story or two.

Well, I have a lot of stories and in fact I've written a professional memoir to be published in June of 26 by Post Hill oh good the last lawman and I'll give you one okay there was a there was a noteworthy Australian financier named Patterson Hayton, who had a string of polo ponies, his own polo team. And about 23, 24 years ago, somebody murdered his wife's lover, an Argentine polo player in the stables in La Quinta, close to Palm Springs. And Hayton, on the night that this occurred, was at a dinner or something, but two men

later were tried and convicted for murder for hire, having been hired by Hayton to assassinate his wife's lover. Then Hayton takes off and in England dies of a heart attack. Hayton was a pretty archman, I can tell you Mr. Meyer, and I have never been satisfied that the dead body that was identified as Paterson Hayton was Paterson Hayton because he was never fingerprinted, never DNA tested, and actually sounds pretty familiar. When someone is cremated, involved in a crime, and cremated immediately, wasn't there a recent case in which that happened?

What was it? There was some famous... Well, I can think of a few, but in Hayton's case, Hayton was like a Bond villain, Mr. Meyer. One of his favorite parlor tricks at parties was to eat a martini glass. Really? Oh, yeah. He was a hard, hard man. Did you ever meet him personally in your travels?

Oh, yes. I had a couple of cases involving Hayden, which was hence my interest in him. When is this book going to come out again? June of 26. I appreciate your time this morning and I love your website. Of course, I'm looking here on the website and it opens up to a big screen of, I guess, a murder scene, right? Murder scene, death scene? Well, how about skeletal remains? I'm one of the few private detectives in North America who will do a necro search looking for dead bodies. Really? Sometimes the police get a little too busy. I have my own cadaver dog, Jack Sparrow, and with the right amount of money in my pocket, I'll go look for your dead man. Alright.

No one else will. You know, we probably could have used you over the years here with some of our missing people. I think you would have had an easier time of finding. In fact, we even had a situation here with a former child celebrity who had been, well, not discovered there for a while because the police had been walking over the body in a house, like a hoarder's house, that kind of thing. Don't think I've never seen that before.

Mm-hmm, yeah. It was different. On the day that they get good at what you and I are paying them to do I'll be out of the job. All right Nails Gravillius and it's Gravillius P I dot com and I'll put that all up there and one of the you know, the one must you you'd have to be a Pi because this is one of those names where no one's ever going to mistake you for anyone else. Wouldn't you agree? No one There's probably other Nails Gravillius is anywhere This is one of those names where no one's ever going to mistake you for anyone else, wouldn't you agree? No one. There's probably no other Nils Gravillius is anywhere. Well, there have only been a few.

I'm named for a cousin who was a composer and conductor in Sweden, and he worked with the tenor, UC Bjerling. Occasionally I'll get an email from somebody asking me if I'm the composer who's gone rogue and is now a detective. Mr. Gravillius, it is an honor having talked to you. I hope to have you back. Next time we need someone with this kind of knowledge and you be well. Take care. Thank you very much for having me on. Have a lovely day. GravilliusPI.com. This is the Bill Meyer Show. Hi, this is Dr. Emily Sander with the Well Integrative Wellness Center.

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open phones. Anything you wanted to noodle around. We'll continue with some open phones, anything you wanted to noodle around. We'll just rock right into that. Let me go to Tim. Tim, you wanted to, yeah. What did you think about Gravilius? It's like, he was like the, um, like you said, James Bond, um, the guy was just super interesting about how he handled them. Yeah. And you know, when he was talking about being with that guy that ate martini glasses as a parlor trick at the party. You know, it's like in a movie, it's like you're what? Listening to him is like watching a movie.

Yeah, and I'm thinking to myself, he's like, he sounded to me like a guy who, in my mind, I don't know what Nils looks like, all right, but in my mind from just that conversation was that he's bald stroking a cat on his lap. I don't know, just something about his cadence, I guess, that reminded me of that. Yeah, he's probably seen more darkness in his life and been able to handle it. Some people are able to handle that stuff.

You know, looking for bodies would not be my forte. Yeah, I'd be the one throwing up if I had to go into an autopsy room, you know? Pretty much. It's amazing what people can be... He's not desensitized to it, but he's just been exposed so much that he's just more... it's a more practicality for him. I guess so, Tim. Hey, you were also calling though about the drivers test. We were talking about that last hour. I thought it was big government intrusion as far as drivers test. Here's the thing. I mean you do it once of course and then you get the experience from it but I remember

when I moved here in 85 there was a big battle between mothers against drug driving and the state wanted to do sobriety checkpoints. Oh yes. And it was brought up in the discussion that you had with these people that called, if I'm not guilty of something, I shouldn't be offended by waiting an hour in traffic waiting to be checked for sobriety. And I see the same thing because the DMV is already broken. It's completely broken. It functions, but it would be overloading the system. And I think the biggest thing with seniors is eyesight. Eyesight and then mental cognitivity. People on their phones you're never gonna

stop them. They're gonna do stupid things and they'll get in accidents and I think that's a dumb thing to try to multitask when you're driving. You know you can get a headset for that if you want to do it where it's relatively safe but with me I'm not a multitasker. If I'm on a conversation with somebody I'll be focused on that person talking with them not driving and so I will set a multitasker. If I'm on a conversation with somebody, I'll be focused on that person talking with them, not driving. And so, I will set a phone on my knees sometimes when I have to take a call, but I hate doing it. I really do. Yeah, I agree. I think we've all done a little bit of that from time to time. Yeah. You know, and I know that even myself, and I think it was Janet that wrote

me and said, speak for yourself. Well, I am speaking for myself when I talked about my thoughts that even after 50 years on the road, I probably picked up some bad habits. I'm just trying to be fair, because the worst thing I could do is think to myself, oh no, I'm fine. There's nothing ever wrong with me. There's always two sides to every story. Yeah. Every opinion. And I'm open with that. But it's like when the government starts to, it's like

so many complaints and the government gets in there and heavy-handed and one size fits all. And I can just imagine myself when I moved up here, I was mad at mothers against drug driving because I didn't drive drunk and I didn't like the idea of being suspected a suspect even though I was innocent and everybody had to go through this I never been in a sobriety checkpoint but they were doing that as an experiment or again yeah the whole concept and I think constitutionally they're quite suspect but you know but once again you know you have a right to travel but you don't have a right to drive, right?

And maybe that is where the sticky wicket is, right? When you're a danger to other people, you're right. It's whether it's personal choice with drinking or if you're just, you're losing your ability to function on the road. All right. Tim, appreciate the call. Good call. 770-KMED. Let me go to Steve. Hello, Wild Salmon. Tim, appreciate the call. Good call. 770 KMED. Let me go to Steve. Hello, Wild Salmon. Steve, good to hear from you. How you

holding up? How you holding up? Talking to you over the last few days. It's a deal, you know, you just have to work through it. About automobiles, I live near a stoplight and I'm amazed at how loud cars are now and motorcycles and how hard people are driving them. I called the police one time because there was a foreign car that was going by and they had some kind of a muffler on it that made it really crackle. The cop told me there's something special that they can do. I don't know if they put gas into the muffler or what the heck they do. Just ungodly loud. And the cop told me we don't ticket those things anymore. If somebody's doing something illegal, do you have to go to the

police station and file a report? That's interesting. I didn't know that because there are, there are, there are a lot of it and I can't help but notice now I drive an old diesel so perhaps I'm a little sensitive to this or a little more aware of it but is it just me or do a lot of our diesel pickup trucks you know the the Rams and the big Ford Power Strokes etc etc. Are they running on straight pipes or does it just sound like it? You know? Yeah, that's what you hear it and then if you see black smoke that means they've modified the fuel injection so you know they've bypassed the emission control. Yeah, rolling coal, right? But the deal is the police have, it's like the broken window theory of New York and Rudy Giuliani.

If you don't enforce the law, then nobody gives a damn basically. So they do it, they want to. And then you throw in technology today, so many electric cars that will do zero to 60 in two seconds. And the motorcycles are even faster than that. And the police aren't, they're not doing those ticket things, the tires sticking out the side of the vehicle, you know, jacked up without mud flaps. So once they get a ticket, once police aren't going to take it for that, they're not going to take it for other things, and hence you end up a lock enforcement.

A very interesting point on that one, Steve. Thanks for the call. 770-5633, if you are on hold, I will be right back with you. Happy to take your calls. We have it for the rest of the program this morning. It doesn't have to be about the driver's license conversation we were having. Like I said, it wasn't me trying... I'm not a big government control kind of guy, but if the drivers, I was always thinking, I was just innocently thinking that, well, you know, a driver's license should be

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You're hearing the Bill Meyers Show on 1063 KMED. 7705633, we're taking calls on anything that's going on. But we were really stimulated, I think, by what's going on with drivers, because we were talking with Eric Peters this morning. I brought up the deal about, should we be retesting drivers? I think you're retesting young drivers and old drivers. And I'll give you an example of one that, one that Jan Dunlap wrote me and said this morning, speak for yourself. And I said, well, I am speaking for myself. She says, you're

doing the I'm so old when you're young to attack older people. How is that different from government getting involved in other things closer to your heart, like firearms. Well, I wasn't... okay, I'm not saying that I'm so old. I'm saying I'm getting there, Jen, all right? I think you're a little sensitive on this and I understand being a little sensitive on it, but I'm getting a little sensitive on it because it's coming, you know? I know this and no one's talking about taking the keys away from me yet, but I'm just saying, I noted that I hadn't had a driver's test in more than 50 years. Okay?

50 years. And is that a smart way to run a licensing system? That's kind of all I was getting at. Maybe we should all just be CDLs. But anyway, Jan, I appreciate you writing. The email bill at BillMeersShow.com. And more emails of the day, and those are sponsored by Dr. Steve Nelson and Central Point Family Dentistry. CentralPointFamilyDentistry.com. Let me go back to the phones here and then

when we get Scott's here. Hey, Scott, how are you? Go ahead. Scott? Oh, Bill? Hey, hi, Scott. I wasn't sure if I was on. I had to turn the radio down. Yeah, you're on, go ahead. Oh, hey, I just, you know, it's really something about competency. And Paul Newman, for example, starting his racing career road racing at 78 years old. He was competent, right? He's very competent from the looks of it yeah are there 100 year old drivers out there you want to call in on this get them out on a on a on a

parking lot right big enough parking lot with some pylons and just let them show that they're confident if that they can respond if something comes out from them going through like you know if you them going through like, you know, if you're going through a residential area and you're going 20 and you can respond to a basketball or a soccer ball and not hit it, then you just saved the life. I like what you're talking about though in which the test just show some competency and the ability to react. And I can appreciate that, I really do.

You're right, because Paul Newman was an amazing driver, had great skills. And we aren't all the same. That's true, we're not. And if you don't have the mental competency to realize that that is a person and not just a basketball, then that's the other part of it too. You have to mentally be able to do anything, even wake up in the morning. All right, I appreciate the call Scott. 770-5633. Brad is here. Hello Brad. You wanted to talk about a different kind of test in order to drive. Well yeah,, you know, I mean, here's the deal.

Driving really boils down to three primary components, information acquisition, information processing, and physical actuation based on those first two, with the fourth component being adjust as needed, right? So when you go to school, you take your lessons, they give you a test, the kids at the top pass, the kids at the bottom don't. Quit giving driver's licenses to stupid people. Just figure out, you know, I mean, pick a means, pick a standard, pick whatever you want.

So you would suggest then an IQ test for having a driver's license to some extent? Well, I mean, if we're gonna let somebody hurtle down the road in a 6,000 pound machine, you know, potentially causing me... I mean, we have an extremely safe system to allow people to move quickly, you know, from here to there. Most people do it pretty darn well, you know, over time. And the discussion, as I understand it, is as people age, does that capacity diminish? I would suggest that the people that are older that were good drivers to begin with, I think for the most part, pretty much still are good drivers. And the people you're having problems with are the

people that were marginal drivers to begin with. And they didn't have much room to lose before they went from marginal to just being, you know, probably shouldn't let them let them on the on the road. Yeah, well I'm not so sure though that that's a matter of necessarily intelligence and I'll give you an example, all right? Senator Ron Wyden. Now you know Senator Ron Wyden? He is not... okay, okay, he's not a dummy, all right? He's not a dummy. He's not a dummy. I just want to be clear, although I can't help myself, I have made fun of him often because of his idiocy and his political and his policy points of view. But it's not from being stupid.

It's a difference of opinion on how to operate. Paul Hanson was a former news guy here on KMED and after 9-11 we did morning news here for a couple of years and Paul told me about when he was a press aide or I don't know he may have been the press secretary for Ron Wyden I think when he was in the in the state legislature. Could have been, right? Maybe it was in his early congressional years. But he said that he was very, he was an intelligent guy, but he couldn't even find the oil cap. He had no concept about a car, driving, physical, it didn't have that physical, spatial sort of thing, and he would just destroy a car or burn it up.

Just absolutely clueless on that kind of stuff. And I always remembered him talking about this. And Einstein is an example. Very smart guy, couldn't tie his shoes correctly, you know, half the time. Well, Bill, obviously I'm speaking tongue in cheek. I mean, obviously we have a lot of people that are not rocket scientists that are good drivers. But honestly, one of the best things that you can do to make good drivers is teach people how to race. When I was a young guy,

did a lot of motorcycle racing. And when you have to learn how to make split second decisions, it's really good. It's good for your brain. You drive with your brain. Again, Paul Newman, right? Some people are gonna be great drivers into their senior years. Some people are just crappy drivers.

Topic for a different day, do you know, recent article just got published yesterday, do you know that Oregon factories have lost 14,000 jobs since the fall of 2022, and overall manufacturing employment is down 7% in Oregon? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, I did. Well, I see that's progress according to the state of Oregon legislature, okay? Yeah. They just lost another 200 jobs in Prineville at a window plant, just shutting down in Prineville for Pete's sake. Yeah, was that Anderson or was it a different manufacturer?

It's an Owens Corning company. It's a door and window components factory. It's formerly owned by Contact Industries. So it's Ohio's Ohio based, oh Ohio based. Yet another company that decided a let me up I've had enough we're out of here. Exactly. All right thank you for the call there Brad 770-5633. Let's grab three more calls in this one okay there I'm almost out of time. Hi good morning who's this? Welcome. Thanks Bill. This is Gregory and I'm almost out of time. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Welcome. Well, thanks, Bill.

This will be Gregory. I'm talking about the driver's license thing. Yeah, Gregory. And a lot. That is the idea that they would say the people that don't know how to drive, they should be going to like the racetrack and taking those courses there. And then I'm wondering about like Rick Shaw and Horse and Buggy. So we'll take that off there.

Thank you much. All right. Thank you Gregory. Let me grab next line. Good morning. Hi. Who's this? Hey it's the deplorable Patrick Bill. Good morning. I know we were short on time. Yeah but you are a professional driver so I will respect your opinion. Well that's all that I respect yours. Did something come up earlier about some people turn left against a red? That's legal in Oregon. Yeah, I was going to mention that to that person. Under certain circumstances, yes, you can turn left on a red onto a one-way, right?

Onto a one-way and yield right of way to oncoming traffic. Indeed. So yes, you can do that. In California, you have to be going from a one-way to a one-way,. So yes, you can do that. In California, you have to be going from a one-way to a one-way, but in Oregon you can go from a two-way onto a one-way legally. And a lot of people don't know that. I'll see them sit there waiting to turn left for the light to turn green. They could turn, but they're too stupid to know it. And there's an Oregon plate on their car. Oh, I know. I absolutely know what you're talking about. As an example you go by the mall you're on McCandrews you're heading west and you get to the light past you know No Ho's restaurant in that neighborhood

and you can turn left to go down Court Street I think it's Court Street at that point and and and you can do this but people don't think that they can turn left if the if the turn arrow is red, and you can. There's quite a bit of ignorance behind the wheel. And I want to just say, just for perspective, pilots have to retest. People who fly small airplanes have to take a biennial flight review every two years.

You have to go through a process. I haven't done it in a long time. But you have to review. And airline pilots have to take a check right every six months. Every six months. Yeah, I imagine it's a higher bar of course certainly being an airline pilot. No doubt. So throw that into the mix. All right, thank you DP. I'll take one more. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Good morning Bill, it's Francie. Hi Francie. Hello. So as far as the driver thing goes, I think that having somebody's driving, you know, their driving ability looked at to depend on a

few different things, not just age per se, but their driving record. Like if they have so many violations within a certain period of time kind of thing, then maybe it should be readdressed. Yeah, you're already attracting attention to yourself and showing a lack of responsibility or some issues. Well, yeah. That would be some good clues to maybe take a look at somebody. But the other thing, I can't remember, was it Matt that called just a couple of calls ago? But he kind of inspired me with this idea. Instead of having to just go automatically just get in the car and show them how you can drive,

they should have some kind of a simulator where it tests not just your responses and stuff, but your cognitive ability. Oh, like the, oh, I get it. Like the airline pilots when they're training. Yeah, the simulators. Okay, you know, that would be interesting. My father was a stability engineer and he worked at Air Force bases. He was an engineer, you know, when I was a kid. We traveled around and stuff. And one time he took me up to the base,

and I think I was like six or seven or something. I mean, I was really a little kid. And he let me fly the simulator for one of the jets. and I actually took off and landed without crashing. No kidding! I'm not kidding you. I'll always remember that. Hey, that'd be fun going and getting your renewal if that's the case, actually. But once again, it's like somebody else talked about, though, the Oregon DMV is so utterly ill equipped to even do its basics right now. To try to do any more would be different. But I'm out of

time, but we'll pick this up tomorrow again at some point all right thank you very much Francine all right the email bill at Bill Meyers show.com we have a lot of them I'll share more of that conspiracy theory Thursday good guys guns is gearing up for a big move and that means a massive store wide sale all-in-stock firearms $25 off off. Holsters, 40% off. Ammo, 20% off. Optics, 20% off. Magazines, 20% off.

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