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Episode Date: June 27, 2025

Tim Keller, Wellness expert and Founder of U.S. Diabetes Care dot com. Offers an educatoin app for android and apple to help diabetes sufferers. We talk that and RFK Jr agenda to get everyone on wearable tech - Open phones and more follow.

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It was actually a few weeks ago. It was actually a pretty interesting conversation and I wanted to get him back on to talk about RFK Jr. And he ended up getting out and talking about this push to get people into wearable tech to track health. And of course it is about the Make America Healthy agenda again. And before we get into that, hey, tell us a little bit about US Diabetes Care if you don't mind, Tim. Welcome back. Yeah, so US Diabetes Care,

the Transitional Preventive Care Diabetic Center, we focus on education, but we also, you know, do all clinical aspects of diabetes. We use education in the backbone of our clinical setting to try to make, you know, real lifestyle changes with diabetics to educate them in the mind of what to do when there are problems that come up with diabetes. So basically, my feeling with any diabetic is that if we don't get in their mind and educate them on what the truth about diabetes is and how to even use these wearables, which they call

wearables, they're actually called CGMs or Continuous Glucose Monitors, I guess wearables is probably an easier name for people to remember. But you know the wearables that are only good is the diabetic using them and I have a lot of thoughts behind that and I don't think that the wearable is the diabetic using them and I have a lot of thoughts behind that and I don't think that new wearables is the answer to fixing diabetes problem in America. I just really don't feel that way. That's interesting. Now when you talk about trying to change diabetic behavior, how much of a problem has the American Diabetes Association been? And I don't want to sound like I don't mean to throw

you know a big organization of the group here but I recall when I did a step out there a walk for diabetes a number of years ago in town that one of the things that the American Diabetes Association was telling diabetics that well you know load up on tons of pasta and orange juice being suggested in the diet, right? Rather than eating fruit at that time. I remember going on their site and thinking, this is absolute nonsense if you're having someone who's having difficulty metabolizing insulin and sugar to say, take essentially a sugar-filled drink and make that part of your daily diet.

And I've been shaking my head ever since about stuff like that. I mean, do you kind of blow up those kind of myths that would be put out there or not? Yeah, I mean we blow them up and the thing is, this is a problem. Big Pharma and ADA are, you know, they kind of collaborate together, right? And so they come up with these education pyramids and food pyramids and platforms and, you know, big pharma reps bring in education material with us and we just throw it in the trash. I mean, I kind of laugh because if you're gonna come, if you're a rep and you're gonna come to an organization and try to work with them, wouldn't you try to research them and figure out who they are a little bit and see that we actually are an education

platform of our own and we actually use Loma Linda, the lifestyle platform, which is the only blue zone in the United States. And what's a blue zone for those that don't know? Tim, what's a blue zone? A lot of people may not know what the blue zone is. Yeah, so blue zone basically is a zone of people that are just in great health. They don't have disease states. They don't have diabetes. They don't have high blood pressure. They don't have cholesterol issues. They don't have diabetes, they don't have high blood pressure, they don't have cholesterol issues, they don't have cancer. I mean, they're just an area of the United States where they're living, falling under a certain lifestyle platform that there's no disease states in them. Well, that's pretty interesting. Loma Linda, you're saying, is one

of those. Is there something that is specific about the environment there there or is it a demographic kind of layout of what's happening in Loma Linda? Just curious what that means. Well Loma Linda, I mean, Loma Linda, if people understand what it is, it's the seventh of the seventh day of Venice. So they are, they're a pure veganist, right? They don't eat any processed foods. There's no, you know, They're not eating processed meats.

They're not loading up on fruit roll-ups from Costco in massive warehouse quantities, right? No. No. No. So they found out, of course, it's a religious thing, right? But what we've learned, and take the religion out, because in East Tennessee, where we have one of our biggest centers, you know, we deal with all kinds of religious denominations, and we love them all. And we're not saying everybody has to follow Omalinda to 100%, but if they follow it and get educated on what they're supposed to do to at least, we call it a 70-30 model, 70% of the time, which means Monday through Friday, you know'll eat really clean,

get more fiber, get hydration, eat more fruits and vegetables. And then on Saturday, if you want to go have a steak, go eat a steak. We're not telling people don't eat steak. We're just saying it shouldn't be a steak when you're dieting. You shouldn't be eating meat, you know, breakfast, lunch, and dinner every day. Okay. All right. So you're talking about reasonable dietary restrictions and modifying things you do.

It's not like you're going to deny the pleasures of different types of food, but there are certainly different types of food that have a different effect on the body, especially when it comes to diabetes in this particular case, right? Insulin resistance and more. Absolutely. And the thing is, this is the thing that people don't understand about diabetes. Diabetes is insulin resistance, right? So type 2, type 3 is just a symptom, high blood pressure, lipidemia, cholesterol, all those are a symptom of insulin resistance, right? Insulin resistance is the main cause of all these disease states in the body. We have to fix the insulin resistance to fix the diabetes type 2, type 3. So we help people learn what insulin resistance is to fix the insulin resistance to fix the diabetes type 2 type 3. So we

help people learn what insulin resistance is to get the insulin resistance out of the body, all the other disease states and chronic diseases go away. Alright, very good. I'm talking with Tim Keller once again, Healthcare Lifestyle Analyst, founder of US Diabetes Care. That's usdiabetescare.com. And you offer an app to help people with their insulin resistance. Getting rid of that? Is that what this is about? Yes. So we have an app called usdiabetescare.com. You can hit learn more tab and learn all about the app. They can also go to Apple and Android and download it from there at US Diabetes Care Education. And so it's just, you know what, we're just an education e-learning education platform. There's no gamification on our app and

the reason why I haven't done that yet is because I want people to focus on what's important and that's being educated first. Have you had diabetes yourself or not? I'm just curious. Yeah, yeah. So this is how this whole business plan was formed in 2000. I've been in healthcare since I was 17. So, you know, here I was plugging along at age 36. I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes and I had a very high A1C and fasting blood sugar. Didn't even know I had it because guess what? I laid insulin resistance for so long as an ex football player. So I had a lot of muscle mass insulin resistance lives in the muscle

so I had no symptoms I went and I was floored I mean I couldn't believe how high my A1C was my A1C is 11.7 and my passing blood sugar is 484 whoa and the doctor was like how are you walking around you know even walking or doing anything yeah you had to get to work on that, right? Boy. Yeah. Yeah. So I did my own research because I went to the doctor and he just treated me like, number one, like, I can't believe your A1C is this high and everything. And we either can, all right, what are we going to do about it? Do me seven medications. Five of them I knew I didn't need. And I'm like, what are you giving me all this for? And he's like, well, you're going to need it.

Because you're not, you know, once you die back, always die back, you're not going to make lifestyle changes to change. So I'm going to have to be, you know, preventative with you. Was this the kind of thing, Tim, in which the doctor does the standard thing? Well, obviously you have a shortage of Giardians in your bloodstream, you know, that kind of thing. Giardians or Joxon and all the various other blood pressure, not blood pressure, but insulin medications on the system these days.

There's a lot of them, a lot of them these days. It's amazing. Oh yeah. Yeah, well you know, I believe Jardients is probably one of the best drugs they ever came out with for diabetes. If I'm gonna pinpoint one Um, they're talking about ocemic

you know the holy grail of all drugs because you know shields the kidney in the heart and you lose a bunch of weight and Gets rid of insulin resistance and I'm like Yeah, it does a lot of those things because it tricks the body into doing that but it's not a drug that is meant to be on for the rest of your life and You know, but they're promoting that because they're making a lot of money on it. And so why don't we get our lifestyle fixed and our education and not be on any drugs? That sounds like a good plan. That's what I did. When I left that doctor's office, I

went and dug into a lifestyle. I actually had a buddy who reversed stage four cancer, metastasized with a plant-based diet and some supplementation, I just did exactly what he did. Three months later, my diabetes was gone. Interesting. Then I was like, oh, I'm onto something here. So I wrote a business plan with my experience in healthcare to start U.S. Diabetes Care, and it was going to be educated, focused based on a reversal of diabetes, not a lifelong symptom of diabetes. Now you're not someone who is preaching everyone has to go a plant-based diet, right?

Because you know a lot of ears will turn off immediately. You know that, right? You get that. No, I'm not promoting that. I tell people, look, what's not even called a plant-based diet? Get fiber, get hydration, eat more fruits and vegetables, period. I mean, these are the four areas where people...and hydration is in Mountain Dew and sweet tea, okay? I mean, hydration is actually real important. What? It's not the same? Oh, I can't believe that. No, no, no, it's not. And that's what drives me crazy. Like, how much

do you drink? Well, I drink...honey, I drink about five glasses of sweet tea a day, and I'm like, well, that's not hydration. So, let's talk about some pure water. Fiber is so important. Fiber slows down insulin resistance and glucose from spiking. Fiber helps with that. Hydration is amazing for that. And then the most important thing any diabetic could be doing is a gada exercise. They got to walk. I'm not saying go out and run a marathon, do resistance training. Get out there and just walk. It's so good for diabetics to get rid of excess insulin.

Again, not type 1s because type 1s don't upload into the muscle, but type 3 extra insulin is hanging around there and that sugar is in that muscle that we get it out through exercise. Yeah. hanging around there and that sugar is in that muscle, we get it out through exercise. Yeah, and also you're getting rid of that, what is that stress hormone? Cortisol? The fight or flight hormone? Yeah, you're getting rid of that on the walking and exercise too. All right, well it's good to know, we'll certainly get this up, it's usdiabetescare.com. Now, I would imagine, now I heard you were telling me that you were kicked off XM radio yesterday on the Patriot channel because they didn't like what you had to say about RFK

Jr.'s plan to make America healthy again by using wearable tech. Now I don't kick anybody off my show for saying something that I may agree with or not necessarily agree with, but what got you sideways of the so-called Patriots on satellite radio? Well basically the host you know basically sat there in silence and said well I don't know what the factor I said what I said about it and then it was just kind of like well I think it's time to exit the show I probably won't even be aired on that because I think you know it was a pre-taped show probably not gonna probably not going to put me on. So basically, this is my feeling on it.

I said this is the most, after all the stuff that we've been trying to figure out what makes America healthy again and the HA stats. Yeah, and I was real happy. And I'm real happy. I'm very supportive of the lifestyle changes that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is talking about in his position. I think that is only positive but even I kind of I

I'm not sure about this idea that we're going to you know get healthier by teching ourselves up But now you continue where you're going. I'm not sure but go ahead. Okay. Okay. So so basically I'm like, okay Two things coincide with each other. First, they said we're gonna, you know, do away with prior authorizations, but people don't know what that is. I bet you come into a doctor and the doctor prescribes something to you, and then now our nurses have to spend 15, 20 hours a week, you know, getting these things approved through the insurance companies. Okay? Ridiculous, right? If a doctor's the expert, why all of a sudden has an insurance company become the expert of what you are allowed to have and not have?

Okay. The first problem in the United States. But then let's talk about these CGMs, which are- What are they? What did you say there, Tim? I couldn't hear you. Yeah. So they're called unwearables, but the real name for them are called CGMs, or continuous

glucose monitoring systems. Got it. Okay. Thank you. Thanks for explaining that. them wearables, but the real name for them are called CGMs, or Continuous Glucose Monitoring Systems. Got it. Okay, thank you. Thanks for explaining that. So we put the first ones on in the United States, guys. Now, type 1 diabetics, amazing technology for them. They have now communicate with their pump. The pump almost acts like a human pancreas for type 1s, which is only, by the way, 10% of the world population are type 1s. Okay, the rest are... Those are the ones that require insulin injections to stay alive, right? That's what a type 1 is.

All right. I have a relative that does that, and she has the insulin pump thing. It's like tied to her cell phone, and it's always telling her what's going on if she's going off the rails, that kind of thing. All right? So you're thinking that's okay. Yeah, that's okay. Because you know what type ones, because they are insulin dependent, um, are very compliant, not all, but majority are compliant and they love these technologies

because it's, it's, it's made their life a lot easier. Plus their technology communicates with the, with the pump that they put on, which is a pump that delivers the insulin. Now, this diabetic, as I said before, where they had to poke their finger and then, you know, dial up, draw up their insulin at different levels of where the sugar was and kind of keep in mind, this system does it all for them. And especially for the young, the youth, you know, type ones that kids don't have to worry about, parents don't have to worry about, the parents can actually track their progress with their own phones too. They

can share the information on the app and so that for type ones it's amazing technology. But let's talk about the 90% of the world that are type 2, type 3. These devices are, they make they make diabetics lazy, they aren't compliant with them, they put them on, sometimes they don't even want to put them on themselves because they're scared of the little needle poke that, there's like a plunger and when you put it on your skin level and pop it in there, there's like this real quick poke with a needle

that delivers a little plastic catheter. And it stays sub-Q in your skin and then they, and then then we can start monitoring but the problem is they're supposed to calibrate it by poking their finger and getting a real blood reading which is the accurate one because the CGM's aren't a hundred percent accurate. Sometimes you can be off you know 20 or 30 points. Boy 20 or 30 points makes a big difference for a diabetic doesn't it? Huge. So they're not doing that and then guess what they come back in they're supposed to come in once a month and have us download their technology and they don't and so by the time they show up

to their next appointment sometimes could be a quarter or six months because they're not complying and showing up and they're like hey how's that CGM going? It's like oh I look at it occasionally and we're like, okay great and then hey do you need any more? No I have a couple more. Well how do you possibly have a couple more? Well I forgot to put it on for a couple weeks and we're like you know this is this is the craziest thing and you're like hey we got you approved for this you're not even using the technology the way it's supposed to be used and there's people out there that that can't get approved for one that we would love to be

able to get them one. So again, it's a nightmare from a compliance standpoint. And type 2 and type 3 diabetics, very few of them use that technology appropriately. Secondly, he said that it communicates directly with the providers. No, it doesn't. Unless that patient comes back in and lets us download their information, there's no communication. And there is an email technology that we can set up some kind of email system and tracking system and maybe get some other information downloaded.

None of them do it. And so it's like I really have a hard time going, man, this is the answer to our diabetic problem. It's not even close to the answer. And this is why they kicked you off? And this is why they kicked it off? Because you said something that wasn't necessarily totally lickspittle into the Trump administration's guy? Is that why they kicked you off?

Yeah. Really? Not exactly why they kicked me off. I mean, she must have had such a relationship that things that RFK Jr. and everything that the administration's saying and doing is a holy grail that she didn't like the fact that I was going against it. I'm only going against it because I have personal experience of dealing with it. I mean, we have thousands and thousands of diabetics and we haven't had great success

with the CGM program, even to the point where the insurance companies say, hey, if you monitor these patients, we'll pay you to monitor these patients. And then you know what? You spend all this time and energy and effort with the ones that are compliant monitoring, they don't pay you anything. So it's like, it's kind of a waste of time on both ends.

And it's just a lot better to have direct communication with the diabetic. But like I said, if they're not using the technology appropriately, which they're not, the majority of them aren't. Now, I'm not saying all, but you'll get some of the type two, type three that use it exactly the way it's supposed to be meant, and they change their life. That's really interesting, Tim Keller. We're talking about the wearables. This is the Make America Healthy situation from RFK. There's a lot of these done that I've liked. You know the part that got me about this, and maybe I was looking at this incorrectly, because everything that I'm seeing that's coming out that somebody seems to want to slap on you, whether it's a smartwatch,

or this that, or a glucose monitor or or something is to me just another part of an insidious growth of surveillance tech and the selling and harvesting of data. Am I wrong to look at it that way or am I looking at it that the wrong way because it looks like you're coming at it from a different angle than I was thinking? Yeah. Well, no, because honestly that's exactly where my mind was going, is like, you know, the reason why they're trying to do away with these prior off and get all these wearables on people is because they want more tracking mechanisms on our lives.

I 100% agree with that. Oh, okay. From the standpoint of, I mean, yeah. And I kind of started dabbling in that towards the end of the conversation with her, which was only like six minutes long. But obviously, you've had me on a couple times, you know, I can talk. But I just, you know, a lot of frustration around the craziness that's going around around diabetes. And, you know, like I said, once again, if we're going to focus on diabetes, let's focus on it. And focus has got to be education.

And the other side of these wearables, look, we do a time stamp of care of an hour to a half hour on every visit when somebody comes into our center. These patients are getting barely three to five minutes with their primary care internist doctors. So if we can barely get these people compliant with that much time we're spending with them, how do you think that these other primary internist doctors are going to get any compliance when they have no time to spend with them? So that goes back to the conspiracy theory of they already know these things aren't compliant and aren't working, so why are they pushing them? And then that goes to what you just said. I think

that there's a side of it that they're trying to collect data and mine data around a disease state, which is a shame, right? We shouldn't be focusing on the data collection of a diabetic and we should be trying to focus on how do we make diabetics and diabetes better in this country. Interesting. I'm talking with Tim Keller. He's a healthcare and lifestyle analyst, founder of US Diabetes Care, usdiabetescare.com. Tim, do you have a few more minutes here? Some folks seem to want to talk with you, maybe ask a question or so. We'll kind of go down this rabbit hole of the agenda of maybe pushing wearables and getting wearables to make America healthy again.

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At Sky Park, we make insurance easy. News talk 1063 KMED. This is the Bill Meyers Show. I've been speaking with Tim Keller, and he's the founder of US Diabetes Care, usdiabetescare.com. And just working on educating people about diabetes, just an incredible, incredibly difficult disease for many people to battle and it causes all sorts of problems. And not necessarily a believer in the wearable deal. And let's talk with Tom. Tom, you wanted to talk with Tim about why there is a prior authorization. Are you in the insurance world, Tom?

Is that the deal? Good morning. I am absolutely not in the insurance world. I really just like insurance companies for the most part. But I just wanted to point out that it's human nature that's throwing a monkey wrench into these plans that people come up with and so it's kind of the bigger view of the whole thing. But I'll give you a couple examples. As far as the pre-authorization requirement for the doctors to

dispense drugs or whatever it is that they're trying to do. On the face of it, what Tim is saying is true. Why in the world would an insurance company be interfering with the doctor when the doctor obviously is trained and knows more than the insurance company? And the reason why is because the insurance companies know that the doctors have a conflict of interest. So the problem really is human nature. I'll give you an example with PSA testing, which I know quite a bit about because I had

prostate, which I successfully cured and I still have my prostate. But in any case, the medical association in charge of that came out and said, well, we don't want PSA testing in men, okay, and a lot of because it leads to bad results. What they didn't say is the only reason it could lead to bad results is if doctors misuse the information in order to perform unnecessary prostatectomies where they remove the prostate. Okay, yeah. All right. I think I get where you're going here. I just, I'm just a little short on time. I want to give Tim an opportunity to respond. Would you respond to that, Tim? Do you agree what Tom was

getting at here with his prior authorization deal? Yeah, I agree with him from a standpoint that there's a lot of healthcare organizations out there that are governed, you know, by the hospital system. They're really not even primary care internist doctors that have their own practice anymore. They're owned by the man. That they will be incentivized to run unnecessary tests. So from that standpoint, yeah, there's, you know, prior authorizations for those kind of things. You know, when we're talking about PSA testing cancers and all that, absolutely there has to be some kind of regulation on that so that we don't have

these hospital administrations making a bunch of money on unnecessary testing. But when we're talking about diabetes, which is, you know, a whole different story, I mean, there's no... The test is already done. We know the patient's a diabetic. We shouldn't But when we're talking about diabetes, which is a whole different story, I mean, the test is already done. We know the patient's a diabetic. We shouldn't be fighting prior authorizations to get these patients what they need. All right. Tom, I appreciate your call.

Thanks for that. Steve is here too. Steve, you're with Tim Keller, U.S. Diabetes Care. Hey, Jim. Thank you for being here. The reason I called is I just lost my wife. She was 78 and she'd been a diabetic for probably close to 50 years. She was type 2 obviously.

I almost lost her 15 years ago. She had a dramatic low blood sugar and her endocrinologist at that time put her on a CGM which really worked for her. She lost some weight and her symptoms improved dramatically. And about five years ago, she included, she asked us to try this insulin pump that was tied to the CGM. And the good thing about that was I could monitor it on my phone. Now, just that all worked for us, but I think that diabetes has some different components

to it. Maybe it's genetic. I don't know what it is. Her family all had diabetes, all became greatly obese and you know it's just it's just a difficult thing to deal with. Is there a question on that? I know you described this but you know where do you think Tim could help or Mayor Tim may be wrong or right on something I guess? Well it can work but it's not a solution if you don't work with it it's not going to work for you. All right. It is work, but it's not a solution. If you don't work with it, it's not going to work for you.

All right. It is marvelous technology, but you have to use it. All right. So I appreciate the call. And I think you would agree with that, Tim, but yeah, he's, but Steve's talking about being disciplined and being disciplined in the approach with them. Right? Yeah. A hundred percent. If you have, if you have two disciplined people in a marriage working together for a diabetic and following the monitoring systems and using them right, they can be a great value add. But your experience is that

most people aren't disciplined with it. Most people are not disciplined with it. I'd say the majority of them are disciplined. All right. But a lot of money gets spent in those systems. Oh yeah. All right, let me go. A great amount of money. Hey, Francine, you were trying to give away one of those CGMs the other day. What was your take? You're with Tim Keller. Go ahead. Yeah, hello Tim. I'm sort of a type too. I say sort of because I don't really feel like I'm a I'm very very deeply diabetic, but My I had a doctor One of these new newer, you know fundamental type medicine doctors and he said oh you should try these this This monitor and so I did and it was very useful because it helped me

Gauge what what about my food and how much and how I reacted to my different foods and so forth. So I found that useful, but other than that, I wasn't really that interested in it. I would not hook up into their system. I completely bristle at the thought of somebody that I don't know monitoring my health. I mean, I find that just absolutely untenable. I wasn't ill enough to where I felt that was necessary. You know, I suppose there's a time and place for such things.

The point is, is it helped me get a little bit of a better grasp on what worked for me. And and then I stopped using it. In fact, I have a bunch left over that I've offered on air. If anybody's paying out of pocket, they could call me and I will give it. In fact, I have a bunch left over that I've offered on air. If anybody's paying out of pocket, they could call me and I will give it to them. All right. I appreciate the comment. I found that interesting. She's sort of bristling at the monitoring aspect of that too, Tim. And that's what I was kind of concerned about. Yeah. Well, the interesting part is that people make a lot of money off the back of somebody else's data.

We have a monitoring system there that we try to use, but once again, you hit the nail on the head, it comes down to compliance with them doing it. Maybe a lot of that reservation, we're not asking that question, and maybe that's something we should put in our survey. Is it the fact that they want their private information to be their information? Yeah, exactly. We'll grab one more call for Tim Keller. Hello, you're on. What's your name? Gino. Hi Gino, you're on with Tim Keller. Good morning, gentlemen. Good morning. So I'm going to throw a bunch of little things out here. First of all, I heard the gentleman talking about the Loma Linda Institute and

the doctrines of veganism from the Seventh-day Adventists. Wonderful people studied at Loma Linda for a while. I opened my first vegan restaurant in 1973, closed the last one here in Ashland in 95. I had lots of experience with the diet. My restaurant was Ayurvedic, Kosher, vegan. We could go on. Be careful. Yes, the vegan diet is really good for transition away from toxic food, but please be careful. I've watched four people starve themselves to death trying to be vegans. The human animal is the only one that can think itself to death. So be careful with the vegan diet. All right. It doesn't sound like you're really talking about vegan as much as introduced or getting a little more plant in your life. Would that be fair, Tim?

And by the way, Gino, thank you for bringing that up, okay? Well, I just want to give Tim a chance to respond to that. Go ahead, Tim. Yeah, yeah, so again that that LomaLens is a lifestyle platform we we chose to use in our education. What we we do not even Dr. Casper does not promote veganism because quite honestly, it's a tough proposition. Most people run for the door, right? So we try to really kind of you know, hybrid that run for the door, right? So we try to really kind of, you know, hybrid that

lifestyle thing. What we're trying to really use that platform for is to get people to get more fruits and vegetables, hydration and fiber in their life. All right. Tim, I appreciate your time this morning and a lot of people interested in what you're doing. So does it cost anything to get your app or, you know, how are you doing this this how does this work? Yeah so the app on Apple and Android is $99.99 a year you can you can go to usibscare.com hit learn more page and buy it off there for $99.99 as well. Okay all right and anything else you want to add before we take all I think it was interesting interesting conversation because I tell you the one thing I will agree with RFK jr on, he said, is there is one disease that if this country could get a hold and really wrangle into submission, diabetes,

that we would probably be much, much, much, much healthier because it seems like so many other diseases spring off of the insulin resistance, right? I'll give you the final say on that. Well, yeah, so diabetes, insulin resistance is a disease of all disease states and a body chronic disease. If we get rid of the diabetes, insulin resistance, all disease states kind of go away, we become a much happier primary patient. But the bottom line is, make America healthy again, with educate America.

Because at the end of the day, if people aren't educated, they're not going to make changes. And once again, the warehouse-sized boxes of fruit roll-ups, that's not eating fruit. Okay? Let's... But you know what I'm getting at though. I can't help it. We get these things, they're convenient, and then we wonder why the kids are fat too. But oh well. We can't fix everything all at once. Thanks so much here, Tim. Good talking with you, OK?

Take care. You too. All right, have a good one. 852 and KMED 993 KBXG. Glad you're here on The Bill Meyers Show. This hour of The Bill Meyers Show is sponsored by Fontana Roofing. For roofing gutters and sheet metal services,

visit FontanaRoofingServices.com. What's a real sale if it's a handful of pieces at teach.org? Welcome to the Bill Meyer show on 1063 KMED. I'm going to try and squeeze in a couple more calls here. Might have to do an extended email of the day sponsored by Dr. Steve Nelson on Monday. But, uh, sometimes just, and we've had all this talk this hour about the diabetes situation. Let me give a quick one here to Tracy. Tracy you wanted to do

a shout out for the people the Ham radio clubs doing field day. This is field day weekend. So we have you know SOA, Southern Oregon amateur radio club. What's going to be in Pottsville this weekend for field day? Yes it is. The second entrance at Pottsville, 2400 Pleasant Valley Road in Merlin, use the second entrance. It starts Saturday at 11 a.m., at least runs till 3 p.m. They're going to set up radios and multiple antennas there. If you want kids, younger generation to see that side of technology and then maybe get to operate a radio, it's a hobby. It'll stay with you for life. And then there's the Cares Ham Radio Club in the Medford area, right? Where's that?

Yes. Now Cares has got a...let me bring it up here. Cares has got a different site. Go to Cares.or...CaresHamRadio.com. The website is CaresHamRadio.com for the latest information. They're going to be at 3300 East Antelope Road in Eagle Point. And Michael Fowler is setting up that event. I have a phone number listed on the public website. I could give that out for more information if anybody's

interested. Or you just go to go to carehamradio.com. Very good. Hey Tracy, thanks for the shout out on that, okay? And let me grab, now Tom, you called, I'll give you about a, I got about a minute, minute and a half or so, you called during the talk with Tim Keller and you're thinking that I misinterpreted what you were talking about with prior authorization and that Tim misinterpreted and the Patriot channel also on XM misinterpreted. What do you think, what do we get wrong with what you were calling about? He thought that I was saying the testing was unnecessary and that's what the conflict of interest was. That's not what I was saying. I was saying the testing is necessary and the recommendation of the large medical group not to do the testing was based upon unnecessary surgeries that

the doctors were doing that they talked the patient into on the basis of the testing. Okay. So he misunderstood what I was trying to say. And I think the Patriot channel misunderstood what he was trying to say, which was much more nuanced. Not that he's against Robert Kennedy or the werewolves, but just in his personal experience, it hadn't worked out. But it's all because of human nature. All right. Tom, I appreciate that so much. I'm just turning into a

pumpkin now, but thanks for getting back in, okay? You'll be well. Have a great weekend and we will talk again Monday. Bill at BillMeyersShow.com.