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Episode Date: July 1, 2025

Morning news and opinion, Drones to be used to catch fireworks use in Cali, what about here?? Dr. Kurt Miceli from Do No Harm Medicine, a talk on getting woke out of medicine, the 12 dirty dozen Childrens Hospitals doing trans surgeries.

The Bill Meyer Show podcast is sponsored by Clauser Drilling. They've been leading the way in southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at clauserdrilling.com. Here's Bill Meyer. Happy 1st of July. And it's the first pebble of your, well, pebble in your shoe Tuesday of July, on the 1st of July. Join in 7705633. Already kind of a comfy 72.

Didn't really get all that cool last night and boy we had that angry looking weird kind of fire look in the in the sunset last night was beautiful but kind of odd in its own way i only got just a little smattering of uh of shower activity on the windshield you can see how it's all kind of smeared you know in the morning but I didn't get much of a storm there is another chance of that today 96 or so with a high it will be down to low 90s tomorrow then we're going to be into the 80s into the 80s for Independence Day, Independence Day weekend and beyond so that's looking pretty good no problems with that at all. Speaking of Independence Day I wanted to float a question to you. Listener Jan Dunlap ended up popping me an article from the Orange County Register,

so Southern California, and it says, For the first time on July 4th this year, drones will be used to catch illegal fireworks violators in some cities. Revelers who once could illegally ignite fireworks and scatter before police officers arrive, or who suffer from collective amnesia when questioned about who lit the fuse, may still find themselves lighter in the wallet. For the first time in parts of Southern California, stealthy aerial surveillance will try to nab them in the act. Riverside, Hemet, and Brea, and possibly other cities, are launching drones now to film illegal activity as the cities increasingly marry new technology with old-fashioned legislation to prevent injuries in the type of fast-moving fires

that devastated the region in January. Offenders or their landlords? Oh, so their landlord is responsible for the dirtbagginess of a tenant. That's an interesting one. These cities are mailing citations to property owners in some cases without even ever contacting them, regardless of whether they were present when the fireworks sparked, smoked, or skyrocketed. This year with the drone, they say people won't even know they're being caught, says Captain Ray Mendoza, Riverside's lead arson investigator. Think no one's watching? Our drone says otherwise, Hammett police warned.

Now you always kind of figured it was going to go to this sort of stuff, but a question for you this morning. What would you think about Southern Oregon doing such a program? Would you have a problem with drones scanning for the fireworks activity here in southern Oregon? Yeah, I know. Wildfires are a big deal here though. It's not exactly like it's just a little minor safety thing so I can see the appeal, but there has always been this cat and mouse deal. Now, when Linda and I were living in Jacksonville, very small police department, when they would do illegal fireworks, on my cul-de-sac there was a person who used to live there. He's a Native American. He doesn't live there any longer, but he used to live on our cul-de-sac and

he was Native American and he went to the Native American reservations where they had And he was Native American and he went to the Native American reservations where they had the really good stuff. In other words, the stuff that could also be used to blow up construction sites for building demolition and all that kind of stuff. All these fireworks that were legal to federal law but absolutely, absolutely illegal. There was absolutely nothing legal about what he was doing. And he would set him off every year. And Linda and I were just, you know, we're just going to kind of stay inside.

But you know, police never came. There was no way. Police were just kind of like, I don't know if it was one of those things where they're just, oh, okay, we know what's going to happen. But I mean, it was like a fireworks display over in our neighborhood. It was like the best thing you get out of red, white and boom or anything else than any of the cities have done here, or what the Medford Rogues would do. And now it appears that drone technology is catching up very quickly. So one question for you this morning, would you want us to go the way of Southern California,

where they're going to be taking drones now, and they're going to be popping people for fireworks? Now I know we already have some drone technology that we're using to observe for fires, which makes a lot of sense, you know, taking a look and security cameras, you know, big for fires, which makes a lot of sense, you know, taking a look and security cameras, you know, big cameras to take a look at for, you know, for mountaintops and keep an eye on that. Would you want it going to the point of watching for fireworks? And by the way, I've noticed that there's been a trend, at least in my neck of the woods over in East Medford, of course, I'm also close to the unincorporated

areas, so that may have something to it where it might be over in the unincorporated areas. Fireworks go off and on all year. It's not just during the July 4th Independence Day holiday. We get that. So that's one question I'm going to toss out for you. Would you want drones? Would you want drones looking down? I know it is a little bit more of that feel of RoboCop, more of that dystopian thing. We kind of have tension on stuff like that, don't we? There's always, I think, a human need to think that at some point you can go somewhere, do something, and not necessarily be observed. Would you agree with me on that much? Or am I looking at this too much through my

very shriveled libertarian American lens these days? It's kind of hard. Everybody wants to get in your business everywhere you go. I just thought I'd bring this up though. I thought it was interesting. And they're painting this as a pretty good deal, but in Southern California, they're going to be using the drones and using the drones hard to catch it. And given their wildfire experience, I can understand it. And yet there's another side of the fireworks thing that makes me say, Marca. It's kind of like someone doing 120 miles an hour on Interstate 5. No, I'm not advising it. I'm not, you know, condoning it. But there's a part of me that always says, okay, alright, someone's

doing a little bit of an outlaw thing. You see a little bit of that truly America as a free land kind of behavior now and then. But you see what I'm getting at? It's just a feels. Like so much of America feels cowed these days, monitored, and I think of the stuff even that I used to do when I was a kid. 100, 120 miles an hour on the back roads. I'm sure there's I was a kid. 100, 120 miles an hour on the back roads. I'm sure there's an app for that now that would have busted me 50 times over. And I know that other people will say, but Bill, you know, it's for your own good. It's for your own good. It's safety. Yes, I know. I know. I know. The cult of safetyism has taken

over the land of the free. But wildfire is a big deal. So would you want the drones? They're going to be finding everybody else down there. They're saying, hey, don't worry, we're going to find you. Illegal fireworks activity. They're just going to be looking at it in Southern California. Would you see that coming here? Do you think it ought to be done? 7705633. We've had our own big wildfire problems too, but it wasn't fireworks. Hi, good morning. This is Bill. Who's this? Hey, this is Jim out of Grants Pass. Hey Jim, how are you doing this morning?

Oh, not bad. I'm going to hit two things. One is my pebble and the other one is about the drones in Southern Oregon. Yeah, well actually Southern California, just to be fair. Well, I'm talking about having them fly in Southern Oregon. Oh, okay. I'm talking about having them fly in Southern Oregon. Okay, would it be a good idea? well, I don't think it'd be a good idea because All the you know law enforcement fire departments all that they always put out stuff saying you Could be or yeah, you could be fired up to this Well, they'd fly the drones waste waste money, they'd find people that are setting off fireworks and start fires. They wouldn't find them because they'd

probably get a slap on the wrist because we're nice and gentle down here. Now to me, if you're gonna fly them, you send out a notice, you will be fined $1,500 or whatever. Oh, okay. So you don't make it squishy then? No, you will be fined. You will be fined, R.A. 15. Okay. You may be fined. And then it ends up being busted down, you know, you plead ignorance before the Judge Joe Charter types of the world, right? The justice of the peace. Yeah.

Flat out, like I've always said, you know, they sent out these notices about fireworks every year. You know, don't do open burns, blah, blah, blah. Well, they show up, put fires out all the time, you know, during fire season. I have not seen where anybody's gotten major fines. They've had to pay for the fire service, all the wages, all the fuel. You've got to start making examples of people.

Period. If you don't, they're going to keep carrying on like the art. That's why they keep doing what they're doing. All right. So this is me. You support what Southern California is doing with drones or what we could be doing with you think? Up to a point.

Up to a point. You know, they're going to go after the owners of the property because they got a messed up tenant. I don't support that, but if you got a tenant that's causing problems, find the tenant. Don't go after the homeowner, but I like what they're going to do down there. You do. If they find, if they find't go after the homeowner, but I like what they're gonna do down there. You do. If they find in the uphold the fine. All right, now is your pebble then the finding up to,

or not finding? Yeah, my pebble is you may get a fine up to. Got it. You gotta reward that and say you will get a fine up to whatever. All right. Hey, I appreciate the take on that. And you're the first one from the Southern Oregon jury this morning weighing in. Yeah, it's irritating.

I see it all the time. I figure that if Southern California is doing it, every idea usually kind of oozes over the border to us at some point. You can see us going that direction. Yeah, yeah. We always adopt that sub. Okay. I appreciate the call.

Thanks for that. So that's one opinion on drones and finding people for fireworks. That's what they're doing in Southern California this time. This is the first time, the first year that they have done this and they expect to be getting a lot of people, a lot of people over this kind of behavior. And yet there's a part of me that I'll be the first to say, fireworks, hey, it's really cool, you know?

And there's a part of me that when I see people doing that kind of stuff, as bad as it is, I'm thinking, like I said, this was like the American spirit, the American spirit of you know you're just not going to sit there and micro manage me but the the overweening don't a drone enabled state will be out there looking out for our safety I suppose. You know where do you come down on something like that? We could talk about it. 7705633. Patrick writes me says hey Bill want to give everybody a heads up for folks living in East Medford. A bear was sighted in East Medford over the last weekend, was sighted in a yard between

buildings in a neighborhood where young kids often play outside. This is the second sighting of that bear in the neighborhood in the last month. Seems that the neighborhood dogs were not a deterrent to keep this bear away. And the elderly man who reported the sighting apparently used a garden rake to chase the bear off of his property. And Patrick, just reminding us, hey, bill bears are dangerous wild animals. Be extremely careful if you happen to see one. Do not confront a bear.

You might not be as lucky as the elderly man was. Point well taken and thank you very much, Patrick. 623 KMED 993 KBXG. This is the Bill Meyers show. I've been running my business over 30 years, built on word of mouth, handshakes, and hard work. But now everyone talks social media. Truth is I didn't know where to begin. Then I found the team at KMED. They kept it simple. Smart digital tools that actually made sense. Website help, social media, email marketing, no fluff, just results.

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And of course there's another side of the culture that says that if the firework can't remove a finger, that it's not worth setting off is what they'll say, right? And then they do. And then sometimes bad things happen and fires start. And then down in Southern California, they're going to be doing drones big time. Numerous cities, big fines, $1,500 fines for people that are doing illegal firework activity. But for all I know, everything may be banned. I don't know.

And it used to be that there were never enough police that could go around and catch people. It just never could. And I remember it happening in my neighborhood and was living in Jacksonville. So where do you come down on something like that? Now that's in Southern California. Would you want to see that here?

Maybe drones in general. Jerry is here, Jerry the Bull. Hello, Jerry. What are you thinking? Bill. Yeah. Well, you know Jerry. What are you thinking? Bill. Yeah. Well, you know, I just read, I don't know where I read this, but I read

something about drones. And you know, as you know, anytime we're on the internet, they know they, the government, whoever is in charge of the data, knows what we visited, knows what we said, knows what we've been there those what we said

those what we wrote everything but i read when they have grown to do that out to bacon you know if they want to hear what you're saying in your backyard uh... they could send a drone to down and uh... anyway i'm just saying

you know Anyway, I'm just saying, I like your guess that you had on recently about the mythology of progress. Yes, yes, the mythology of progress. Charles Hugh Smith. By the way, he has another book out. I'll have to talk with him about that too. So you're thinking this is an example of the mythology of progress, something which is presented as progress?

I'm saying it can be abused, let's put it that way. Okay. Yeah. See, part of being an American to me, even growing up, was that kind of thought. And it's not that I'm advocating it, but there's something in the American spirit that kind of doesn't want to be told. It's not like we're Germans. The Germans were very orderly people.

If the state told you to do something, I mine Führer. That sort of thing, right? Just do it. And it's a little different here. And I don't know, this may be the final last vestige with the rise of drones. You think that might be the case? You never know. Bill, hey, here's the key.

Here's essentially what you're saying. Yeah. And you're saying, you know, our government's always trying to protect us. They're always trying to protect us, Bill. Yes. Even if it's from our neighbor. Thanks Jerry. Makes me laugh. We go to John West. Hey John, how are you doing this morning? What are you thinking about this concept of drones going around and finding people for illegal firework activity. How you doing? Hello John? Hello John? Hello.

Oh hey John, how you doing? You're on now. Hey good. Hey I put the drones with just like the cameras in the stoplight. Government is nothing but you know they want to get us on camera, they want to spy on us. I'm 100% against it. We use drones for certain things like looking for people that's missing. We use them on the wildland fires now, which is fine. When we have a fire, we're trying to see where it's going. The problem with this is this will turn into more than this.

They'll find another reason to use drones and another reason. We have satellite images that come from cameras now and we have ring cameras, we have all these other avenues. This is just another form of the government getting into our business and they'll use it for different things than this. All right, John, I appreciate your opinion. Thanks for making it. 770-5633. I have time for a couple more calls and we'll probably take those and then we'll set it aside and then I think we'll revisit it too a little later in the hour. But hi, good morning. Who's this? Welcome. Hi,

good morning Bill. This is Deb calling. Hi Deb. Hi. Hey, I agree with Mr. John West. Yeah, totally against the drone thing and especially coming to Oregon because that's the last thing we can trust Tina Kotech with is drones and stuff like that. I mean, next thing you know, it's going to turn into gun grabs and everything else. We have police officers that do just fine. The problem is the laws weren't in force. Yeah. Kind of curious, how long do you think if they start putting drones to work in that sort of way, how long before you start seeing drones shot down in mass? And now I know that would be illegal, of course. It's illegal to do that. But you could see that coming, couldn't you?

I could. And I hope it happens in 3.5 seconds. Okay thanks Deb appreciate the call. Have a great day. You too doll. I'll take one more call before news. Hi good morning. Who's this? Hello? Hello. Hi Jane how are you? Oh pretty good. Now you're over there in your little fire trap known as Wilderville, right? Yeah. What are you thinking? Well, I got two points. One is, is California actually going to go after the illegal immigrants and they set off fireworks, or is it just American citizens?

You know, that's a very interesting question because there's a lot of attention being brought to California. In fact, Bondi is suing Los Angeles over this sort of thing, saying, hey, you're treating us differently as law enforcement than you would treat other agencies when it comes to law enforcement. But yeah, I suppose if illegal immigrants were to be setting off illegal fireworks, that would be considered an equity non-crime. Because they have the equity, they need equity in having fun in spite of being oppressed in Southern California. Okay?

That's probably where you want to go. And, well, that one jewelry outfit that sponsors you that's in Ashland, why don't they open an office full-time during the day in Grants Pass instead of you have to make appointments? Oh, well, I think it's just that the main story is in Ashland. Are you talking about Jay Austin? Jay Austin, right? Okay. I think that he's over there one or two days a week is what he does. I'll check in with Mark and get back to you on that

one. I can't really answer it at the moment, okay? Well, I'd like to go in there, but when you have to make an appointment, no. Okay. Well, I'll tell them. I'll call up Mark and I'll say, Mark, Grumpy Gene would like to come to the office but does not want to make an appointment. And so I'll try to find out more. I think he's there on Mondays, okay? It's not Grumpy Gene. You're not? No. Sound grumpy to me. Well, my voice may sound grumpy but it doesn't mean that I'm grumpy to me. Well, my voice may sound grumpy, but it doesn't mean that I'm grumpy. Oh, okay. You're kind of like, well, remember that old cat that used to be on the internet? Maybe you never saw it.

Grumpy cat. It was a cat that just always looked grumpy, but it wasn't really grumpy. It's actually a very friendly little kitty. I know it was a sweetheart, but it passed away. Yeah, yeah. You know what, by the way, you know what Grumpy Cat's real name is? Do you remember that? No. Tartar sauce. Can you believe that? Well, I watched the Christmas one with Grumpy. You did?

I wish they'd put out more because that was cute. Yeah, well, they would have to clone tartar sauce to come up with a grumpy cat part do. Okay. Gene, thanks for the call. Glad you're not grumpy. It is 634 KMED. We'll catch up on the rest of the news here. And then we're going to be talking about the dirty dozen trans hospitals. I guess they're starting to make a list and check it twice and talk about hospitals that aren't so nice to the kids. And we'll have a list of them. I wonder if anyone from Oregon made it. Roe Garter says careful with your ground cover. A lot of those little ground covers can't take the heat. Absolutely fine if you are using them,

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for having me. Great. Tell us a little bit about the mission of Do No Harm Medicine to start with, and then we'll get into the D the dirty dozen, a really interesting list. Absolutely, absolutely. So Do No Harm is a membership organization. We have 24,000 members that include physicians, patients, providers, policymakers, really anyone who takes into account the concern of identity politics in medicine. And so really getting DEI out of medicine so we can focus medicine on making people well. And as part of this mission, it also includes really the dangerous ideology that is gender ideology that's impacted our minors.

And so, we've really had this two-pronged mission to focus on getting identity politics out of medicine and really, again, protecting kids from these harmful procedures that are, you know, quote-unquote gender-affirming care, but certainly much more like the sex trait modifications that, unfortunately, are just so anathema to anything that we as a public would want for our kids. All right. Before we get into that particular list and conversation on the gender ideology, which is a big, big deal, as we well know. You talked about wanting to get DEI out of medicine, and I'm wondering how deep has diversity, equity, and inclusion sort of implanted itself into the

medical industry genome? I mean, has it gotten to the point where you can't even diagnose someone differently or think somebody is at a different risk for a disease because of race, which in some cases is quite true. You know, it's like you wouldn't be testing a Caucasian for sickle cell anemia for the most part. I'm just wondering how bad has it gotten in which we ignore reality for ideology? You know, unfortunately DEI has really embedded itself quite well in medicine and that's medical academia, medical journals, medical schools, hospitals and it's something that really has been a great challenge that we've seen and I would say there's a cultural battle here to really focus medicine on providing quality, providing excellence

in care and unfortunately DEI has undermined that by having ideology be considered before the individual patient that's before us. So it's something that our organization works tirelessly to combat in many different ways, whether it's impacting admissions or whether it's the care that one receives or the way a hospital runs itself. But you're absolutely right and it's really an unfortunate state. Granted, under this new administration, we certainly have seen many rays of hope and moving in the right way. Certainly, we've seen accrediting bodies move the right way in terms of removing some of their DEI language from their accreditation standards. And these are the organizations

that really set the tone for medical schools and what they're teaching and hospitals and how they're treating folks. So there's definitely positive movement, but there's an enormous amount of work to be done to bring medicine back to focusing on quality, to focusing on patients, and focusing on care. When you say the accrediting organizations, are you targeting like American Journal for Pediatrics or the American Medical Association? Is it all coming from these people who we have thought of as the white coat guardians of America's health? Is that work? It's coming a bit from them and when I say accreditors I'm really

referring to like the Liaison Committee for Medical Education which is literally a committee that ensures that medical schools are following certain standards to make sure that the education that a medical student gets is comparable standardized to education that they've received elsewhere. But you're absolutely right, these medical associations like the American Medical Association or the American Academy of Pediatrics, they too are very much with DEI and unfortunately as well with this gender ideology in minors and in fact it's many of them that need tremendous reform. And I

would sort of argue that much in the way of when you look at the American Medical Association, for instance, it actually only really represents 17 or 18% of actively practicing physicians. So the vast majority of physicians have walked with their feet away from the American Medical Association. And I would certainly argue it's because of the politics and the radical nature that the AMA has really, unfortunately, been out there with.

And it's ripe for an opportunity for change and, you know, Do No Harm as an organization offers a great home for many of us who really have seen this in our work and seen this in our country and is trying to change it to do much better. Speaking of the American Medical Association, isn't one of the reasons it holds such great sway over the United States medical system is that doesn't it own or have the patents or the copyright, I don't know exactly what the term would be, on the medical coding systems that everybody has to use in order to get billing, whether you're a hospital, whether

you're a doctor or a nurse or some other healthcare worker? You're absolutely right, Bill. It holds the CPT codes, which are just those codes that are the codes that are used to code for different procedures and visits that are done. And that is probably worth $300 or plus million to the American Medical Association in licensing fees, selling books and the like

that are related to those CPT codes. And that is a huge source of money. In fact, I think the membership dollars of the AMA are probably 10% of that amount. And so an organization like the American Medical Association is very much fueled by the CPT codes and consequently doesn't necessarily need to be as concerned about membership, which is certainly a problem. Yeah. It's kind of what I was

wondering about. Hey, you know, we're forcing everybody to take our medical codes here. You're trying to tell me that there's not some generic, you know, just coding nonprofit that could just do it for like almost nothing, you know, and these are just the codes. Here's a list of them. Enjoy them and use them in good health. No pun intended. You know, could we do that? I mean do you actually need the AMA or some other group that has an undue influence on the medical system to do this? What do you think? I think that's something that we really need to take a hard look at and unfortunately the coding system has become so complex but we

shouldn't necessarily allow complexity to keep us from what really is good policy and logic and such. So I think you're absolutely right. It really is an important time to take a hard look at what the reality is and again, ultimately, to have medical associations accountable to the membership and not to some other monetary concern. Yeah, and since you're trying to get DEI out, is it so bad in medicine that are you trained now, are new doctors trained as an example to look for... Okay, what is something I can think of that would be just totally absurd?

Okay, uterine cancer in men, all right? Are doctors trained to look for that? I think one of the challenges that we see is that we're not even referring to men as men or women as women, that we've sort of gone away from the terms of people who are birthing people or capable of having babies or such. The language has become so altered in a way that it deviates from the reality that each of us knows, just being a human being, walking around and such. And you'll certainly find, unfortunately,

many examples of anti-racism courses or intersectionality or all the critical race theory, critical social justice theory that you find in any other school and such. Unfortunately, it is very much within medicine and again, that's something that we at Do No Harm advocate for focusing on physiology, anatomy, the basic skills, the clinical wherewithal that one needs and not devoting time to really an ideology, a political ideology that looks to making doctors into social justice advocates as opposed to making doctors into doctors. And so it's simple and it's something that we really need to continue to strive for and

I sympathize with many of the medical students who do have that passion to treat patients, to do the right thing, to be the best clinician that they can be that unfortunately are drowning in some of these courses and such. It's time really to change this and again to focus on what we need to do as providers and doing what's right for the patient before us. What role do you think the federal government might be playing or could play in order to rein in the political and the politicization of the practice of medicine in which you would

think we would be focusing on just having really great doctors with high skill dealing with reality and doing the best to to cure people. Absolutely. So you know getting back to those accreditation agencies, the Trump's, President Trump's executive order really focusing on accreditation agencies to not have the DEI components in it. That is certainly essential and quite frankly was a catalyst to changing some of the practices with the LCME and the ACGME as well, which does the accreditation for hospitals and such and related to residency graduate medical education training.

So, I think that's the first step. It's also important that students prefer admission on the admissions side, that the law of the land as ruled by the Supreme Court is what is followed in admissions offices. It's also important for us to again be as physicians, to be vocal members in our medical societies to demand this excellence and to move past the political ideology and to focus on medicine itself. So I think there is a lot that can be done and certainly with in relation to protecting kids and protecting minors from the gender ideology, there is a lot that the Trump administration

is doing in terms of looking at hospital systems that are engaged in these practices and looking at opportunities to cut funding to those hospitals that are providing pediatric medical transition or so-called gender affirming care and likewise for Congress to take action as well. I know right now the big beautiful bill is being debated and such in the Senate side. One of the challenges that we've seen is certainly making sure that the provision to really stop Medicaid from funding these gender procedures in minors. We need to make sure that that is in the final version of the bill. And I know that there's been some back-and-forth about that as well, but there's certainly much action that the

federal government, that Congress, and likewise even states can take to getting DEI out of medicine and likewise to keeping kids safe from this gender ideology. Dr. Kurt Miseli is the medical director at DoNoHarm, DoNoHarmMedicine.org is the website. You've come up with a new list called the Dirty Dozen. Speaking of the, these are the worst offending children's hospitals in the country that are performing these sex change services, so called sex change services, I would add. And nothing in Oregon, I guess, you know, Oregon is huge with Oregon Health and Science University, but I guess they're concentrating mostly on adults, I guess. They

didn't make this list, but what are some of these famed hospitals that are doing, well, not good work really? You know, unfortunately, if you look at this list, you'll see some of the quote-unquote leading hospitals in the country, leading for many other, for some good reasons as well. But unfortunately, this is not the list you want to be on. I mean, these are hospitals that have been engaged in these procedures, whether it's administration of puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, genital surgeries, two minors who have gender dysphoria.

I mean, these are confused kids. These are kids that are really struggling with where they're at and thinking that perhaps they're a different biological sex or non-binary or such and just these kids are struggling with many, many psychiatric ailments as well. And it's just so important that we look to these...to treat these kids in a way that provides them therapeutic support, psychosocial support that doesn't move to hormones and puberty blockers and surgeries as a result of their presentation of gender dysphoria. And unfortunately, in this country, we've allowed ourselves to lose sight of

the evidence, the evidence that really does show that it's not beneficial to perform these procedures, but rather a psychotherapeutic approach to understand where the child is coming from, to understand the conditions that surround the child, to help perhaps provide some therapy for the comorbid depression or anxiety, the other ailments that the child is suffering from. Where, unfortunately, we've adopted what WPATH, the World Professional Association of Transgender Health, has said is medically necessary, when in fact it's not.

And I think certainly the Scrimetti ruling from the court most recently, as well as much other evidence that's come out, and even articles in the New York Times and the Atlantic have really pointed to the fact that WPATH and its call to evidence in this field is really just a house of cards. And if we do look at our European counterparts, we see and we understand that the evidence isn't there to support these procedures and in fact the harms are great. And that's what this Dirty Does on this show is it shows, unfortunately, these hospitals, many leading hospitals across our country that are performing sex change surgeries, sex change hormones, and such to minors.

And our database looked at data from 2019 to 2023, and it was based on claims data. So these were insurance claims that were filed for these procedures, and we found 5,700 minors had sex change surgeries during that period of time. In the state of Oregon, it was 223 that were... Well, actually, more than that, I believe, from the state of Oregon, it was 223 that were... Well, actually, more than that, I believe, from the state of Oregon. I think it was 350 or so children had received some sort of surgery and such as a result of gender-affirming care. So this is a very real problem and it's throughout our country and it's important, again, for

us to be taking action. And what we aim to do with the Stop the Harm database is provide information to provide the information that folks need to really see that this isn't something that's going on in a couple of hospitals out in an unknown place, but this is going on throughout our country and it really aims to shine light on this and shine light on some of these, again, leading hospitals that need to lead in a much different way and need to stop these procedures. And fortunately, some have, but there's certainly more to go and much more to do to bring an end to these sex change procedures in kids.

I know the ones out on the west coast here, Seattle Children's Hospital, Children's Hospital of Los Angeles are on the Dirty Dozen list here too. And you brought up our European medical partners out there and it's well known. The UK has practically banned a lot of this stuff. I mean, European Union is backing completely away from this, realizing that the science is not supporting the surgery and the puberty blockers for treating this gender dysphoria. And is that starting to have some effect at this point, or is it one of those things where we haven't ran or run the whole cycle yet?

What do you think, Dr. Masselli? I think it is having an effect. I think it is having an impact, because we do, again, we even see folks from different political persuasions, maybe not died in the will leftist per se, but we do see folks that are acknowledging that there's something wrong here. And the really smart thing that Finland and Sweden and the United Kingdom and others have done is they've looked at the evidence and they've studied the evidence before really making sure that they had guidelines. And unfortunately, what many of our medical societies in the United States have done is

they've issued guidelines without really looking at the evidence in terms of systematic reviews. And so in Finland, they did a systematic review and then produced their guidelines, and the same in Sweden, the same in the United Kingdom and such. And that's really the example that we should follow. And instead, we've put the cart before the horse. Well, it's the political cart before the horse is really what we've done in the United States. You're absolutely right. And it is such a real, it's created a terrible situation for these kids and such. And it's something that I would hope that medical societies can see,

can see a different light. And I will say, I was at the American Psychiatric Association conference in May, and I'm a psychiatrist by training, and they did allow us, as do no harm, to have a booth. So we were out there in Los Angeles with a booth, and we were able to meet psychiatrists, and I'd say many of them, even some of those who provide these procedures and such to children recognize that maybe it's gone a little bit too far. Yeah.

And I saw that as a glimmer of light. We also had a great lecture that was done by some colleagues who spoke to the European data. And that was a lecture that they've really tried to get into the American Psychiatric Association for years, and finally they got the floor time to speak. So there's some positivity there but there needs to be so much more and unfortunately, this needs to really occur throughout the medical community and it's just so important for us to hear it because it does seem like the medical societies, the medical associations

are the last to get to the common sense to get to looking at the evidence. There's a New York Times poll that was from January of this year that showed I think 71% of people polled believe that puberty blockers shouldn't be given to kids and we shouldn't be giving these hormones and such. And so, you know, the vast majority of Americans see the common sense that unfortunately our medical societies are just starting perhaps to open their eyes, but this needs to be a lot quicker, a lot faster.

We have data to look at, whether it's the CAS review or other reports from Europe or even our own umbr- review that was done by HHS just released in May as well. There's plenty of data for us to look at and understand that these procedures are not beneficial, they're harmful instead, and really do cause tremendous harm. And one needs to go no further than speaking to folks to detransition to understand the pain and the torment that they've been through and how necessary it is for us to keep kids safe so no one ever has to go through that. I know that the trial lawyers association and the medical industry is not, there's not a real comfortable coexistence there.

You know, it's definitely adversarial. Is there a possibility though that the trial lawyers might end up having the final effect on the transgender craze of transitioning children, in which enough hospitals, enough doctors end up being sued because of their willingness to just do everything crazy at a very young age. Any thoughts on that before we take off? I think there's possibility there. I think the important part certainly from an organization of interests of the people is to look at, you know, what is really appropriate as a statute of limitations for many of these young

people. Because unfortunately, the regret might not come for four or five, ten years later. It might not be until they recognize that, wow, I want to have a family, but unfortunately these treatments made me infertile or I can't breastfeed as a result of having had the top surgery that I had when I was a kid or whatever it might be. And that's a real concern and you know certainly something that we look to is a detransitioners bill of rights to support detransitioners in many ways and understanding that one may not really understand or process the consequences fully of their decision until many many

years later and it's so important to allow them to have those protections and such. So it may very well be that there's pressure from the malpractice side, there's pressure from the federal government, there's pressure from congressional action from states. This is a full-pronged approach to really make sure that we're keeping kids safe. That's the ultimate goal is to keep kids safe from these harmful procedures. I really don't think we have any business telling adults, fully functioning adults, what they do, you know, whether we agree with it or not. But it's quite a different story in which you have very young children in many cases that, you know, will think one thing or they

might be just going through a phase and then you end up going through these permanent and injurious actions in the operating room and a lot of regret coming later. Dr. Kurt Miseli is the medical director of Do No Harm and I appreciate the report here. You can read the Dirty Dozen report on DoNoHarmMedicine.org. Good talk. We'll have you back on the show, doctor. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thanks so much. It's the Bill Meyers show and you're on KMED and KBXG just look at it looks great in the moonlight and talk about quiet operation we're not waking up the neighbors so smooth and sleek American industrial door knows their stuff okay

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