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Episode Date: July 10, 2025

Open phones with a lot of talk on how people lived an earlier rustic style of life, later it is former pediatrician assistant Scott Miller, author of Most Dangerous Man in Washington - saved many during Covid, paid a high price.

The Bill Myers Show podcast is sponsored by Clouser Drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at clauserdrilling.com. Eight minutes after seven on the Bill Myers Show, we appreciate Carol joining the show here in just a moment. Carol, we've been talking off and on with people who ended up living a more rustic life back in the day, because there's this new show on Magnolia Network premiering tonight. They're going back to the 1880s and it's really interesting to watch various families and you know, giving up their modern conveniences and truly living in that style. What was it like

for you? Because you had a little bit of that when you were growing up. Was that a younger time? You had a little bit of that when you were growing up? Was that a younger time? Oh yes, when I go to my mother's parents' place, my grandparents' place, they had no indoor toilet. There was outdoor in the outhouse. And in the winter, if you were there in the winter, it was cold. And it was hot in the summer. What era was this? Back to North Dakota, I should say that.

Oh, North Dakota. What part of North Dakota, Carol? About 90 miles from Fargo, west of Fargo. Yeah, because I can still hear a little bit of the accent in there with you. Right on the freeway. Fargo. Yeah, and they were, I was one of 10 kids. My older sister couldn't help dad out on the farm. There were three girls first. And so I was helping dad out on the farm. I did everything from driving

tractor to shoveling grain to stacking hay and just picking rock. I did everything. And in the summertime, which is when we did the workout in the farm, you had to carry water upstairs unless you wanted to take a cold bath. And we were all dirty. So we had to take bath and shower coming in from the farm. Yeah, yeah, you had to. So we had to take bath and shower coming in from the farm. Yeah, yeah you had to.

So we had to carry water upstairs. In the winter, we didn't have to carry water upstairs to take a shower for school or anything because we had coal furnace. Yeah, but let me tell you though, having lived a couple of years in Fargo, in that neighborhood, North Dakota, you get real winter there, not fake winter. Oh, yeah, sometimes. Oh, you did, you did get, but that neighborhood. North Dakota, you get real winter there, not fake winter. Oh, yeah. But there weren't so many that I remember. The biggest one I remember was in was 69, I think it was, with that huge storm. Three solid days that, no, it couldn't have been in 69, it was early, or 62 it was, because I was in college at the time in Jamestown, and it snowed and it blew for three solid days.

At the end of that time, the kids were jumping off the roof of the college into the snow. You know the one thing I do remember about living in North Dakota for that time, North Dakota and Minnesota, it's like Fargo-Moorhead, you know, lived in both areas. And I had a more semi-rural house for the second half of it in Moorhead, out in rural Moorhead, is that you get used to the cold after a while. You do. I'd rather have cold than hot. Even now I'd rather have cold. Yeah, and I'm the same way. I would go out and at that point, it was like 1999, I'm getting the newspaper and it's in the middle of the winter. It's like maybe two or three degrees outside. you know, two or three degrees outside. And I just got, you know, I got slippers on and a pair of sleeping shorts and a t-shirt. It is like no big deal. I just walk out, get

the paper, walk back in. It's fine, right? You really do acclimate to whatever was the climate at that point. But I was not able to... The heat still bothers me though. The heat's tough. Yeah, oh, the heat... Yeah, he bothers me. To this day, it bothers me more than the cold because cold you can bundle up. Yeah. Yeah. Heat is bone deep. All right. Hey, Carol, thanks for sharing this. So this was in the 1960s or so you were growing up on this farm. But is the farm still in your family? Just curious. It is. It is. They don't farm it, but they have somebody else farm it. Okay. All right.

And my brother grows sweet corn there. So I go back every summer to be with my mother, who is 104 as of May 2nd. So I go back every summer to be with her now. Because she lives on the farm that we grew up in, the farmhouse. Then remodeled, but it's the same farmhouse. What a great story. You know, one of my favorite memories of Fargo, or in North Dakota in general, was driving past... Now, you grew corn and various other things, but they have sunflower, just miles of sunflower

fields off of the highway. It was some of the most beautiful, beautiful farm fields ever. That happy yellow and just miles of these. Blacks. Blacks is pretty too. They're blue. They're fully blue. Thank you for sharing. You're welcome. Alright. I really enjoy that. 770-5633-770-KMED.

...Friday and then we'll be in the triple digits all the way into next week. Dave's out the Iron Gate area and Dave, you had interesting stories about, like I said, we're talking about people living in more rustic times than now. Yeah, yeah. My mom was born in North Dakota. I don't know exactly where on her birth certificate it said Bismarck, but she was telling me, as a little girl, that she hated the outhouses, because in the wintertime they would freeze over. Yeah, and how do you take care of that? I mean,

in Bismarck, North Dakota, a frozen-over outhouse, that's serious. That's very serious. Yeah, but anyways, she told me that she lived there when the Dust Bowl was there, back in the 30s, and I think she was nine when they moved to Raven, Washington, in a Woody. Oh, a Woody? Right, so we always teased her. She came over by horse and wagon. Love it. Because a Woody was a car. Yeah, the car, the old Ford wagon, right? The old Ford wagon with the wooden sides, right? Yeah, and they had a Woody truck, too. A truck that hauled all their belongings with them. Yeah. Well, cue the theme from the

Waltons. Right? Not so much the Waltons. It's more like Little House on the Prairie. All right. Thanks Dave. I appreciate that. 7705633. Let me grab another call here. And good morning. Hi, this is Bill. Who's this? Hey, good morning. Keith out of who's this a good morning Keith out of cave junction hey Keith how you doing yeah just daylighted into technology here in Crescent City real quick story about what you're talking about my father washed his face and armpits forgive me for all this detail, every night. He took a shower once a week. That's my story. You know something, that's probably the biggest change being able to have running water and reasonably heated running water and just even a quick shower to get the

daily grime off of you what a luxury that is when you contrast it with a shower once a week and a sponge bath in the rest of the time right? Side story many years ago when I was a firefighter we used to see who could go the longest without a shower and And if I remember right, the record held by Bob Hubbard is nine days. Nine days. Did Bob Hubbard have many friends by the end of that? We had 20 of them. I was on a hotshot crew back in the 70s. What we did and what we said would get us in so much trouble today legally. But if you, and talk to Greg about this, it's not an easy thing to do fighting wildland fire, especially when

you were doing hotline. And I would imagine there's a bit of gallows humor that goes on there in that kind of a job. Is that fair? If you don't have a sense of humor, you don't stay there because it's a hard job. Yeah, it is. Takes a hard people to do it. I appreciate the call. 19 after seven. Here's Bill Meyer. Happy to take your calls, anything on your mind. We've been kind of waxing poetic

for the last few minutes on what it was like in an earlier time, a little more rustic deal, because there's a new reality TV show on Magnolia tonight that I was previewing, and it was quite interesting. Quite interesting to see families duking it out on finding a way to repair their homesteading cabins from the 1880s and living with 1880s kind of technology, the outhouses, all the rest of it. I mean truly, you know, no cell phones, no nothing, and just having to to rough it for a couple of months. Eight, nine weeks I guess they were doing

this. That's quite thought-provoking really. And Jim's in Grants Pass. Jim, did you experience some of this as a child or what do you remember? My mom did, but she shared it with me later. She was born in 1940. We call her our hillbilly mother. She was born in 1940 in Somerville, South Carolina. She was born to a birthing mother. She didn't go to a hospital. Her mom gave birth to her in a 40 by 40 one-room shack. One-room shack, that was it, right? One-room shack. And that was on that TV show it was premiering last night or looking at, it was the same sort of thing. They were kind of surprised that everything was sort of an open floor concept before we called it that, but that, you know, the idea of walls, you just had maybe walls on the

outside, that was it, right? And the thing is, you know, her mom raised her until she got old enough to walk. And then my mom was tasked with going down to the creek and bringing water up. And they had an outhouse, no running water, no electricity. Her, my grandmother gave birth to three more kids the same way, in the same shack. My mom ended up helping raise her three siblings, and they lived in that place until my mom was 22. And then they packed up and moved to Toledo where she met my dad at Toledo Motor Speedway when he was racing. They got married and I was born a couple of years later. Well, when I came back from Germany, from being stationed over there,

and then my mom, we met together in Calais in South Carolina and had a couple of week vacation, had fun. And we went up there where her family lived and we went by and that shack was still standing. No kidding. It was still standing and we walked the property and it was just amazing what she went through. No running water, no like nothing.

There's some old pictures of her. He was a flat out hillbilly. Yeah, I'm kind of curious, Jim, what do you think about this if you had to, you know, the infrastructure that we're blessed with, you know, these days between internet and water and electricity, would, do you think that, is electricity more important than the water or was the running water really the beginning of more civilization, I guess, you know, having, you know, not having to go to the creeks and things like that, and also, I guess, the sanitation that you would have

with running water rather than... What do you think? Any thoughts? Personally, myself, I can do without any of it. No problem. I've done it before for months and years. The kids nowadays, I think they would rather have the internet and electricity more than they would want water and food. I've always, you know, my daughter, if you don't like you, we grew up without the internet and all that, cable and all that, and I've always said I wish the president had one button that was to turn the internet off, and the web off for a month, and let these kids go outside and experience life like we did. Yeah, but he'd probably be walking outside and blinking eyes, you know, not being able to.

What is that outside? Oh, it's the sun, right? You know, that kind of thing. And oxygen. There's oxygen outside. You're actually not allergic to it. You're not allergic to playing. You know, Jim, we have some great kids in my neighborhood, around my neighborhood, and it was great to see some new families moving in and they've got their kids and they're playing on the street and they're doing all these other things. But I do find it interesting that as it got hot, their parents ended up getting them those basketball hoops,

you know, you put the water in the base and then they stick them out there. And they really got into it for a little while. And then they kind of got out of it. I have a feeling that the parents were more into the basketball than maybe the kids were into the basketball. And I can't help but think that there is an awful lot of computer gaming going on in the summertime. Yeah, we've got some amazing kids in our neighborhood. They're really respectful, really great kids. But when they're outside playing,

they're always on their cell phone. Really? Yeah, it's amazing to watch, you know, five, six, you know, mid-teenagers, a little bit younger kids, so-called playing, but all they're doing is they'll kick something through a little bit, a little soccer ball or play, just for a little bit, and then they're on their phones, dancing around,

doing their little social media posts. I imagine if we had grown up with those tools we probably would have done the same thing. I don't think kids are any different now than they ever used to be. Yeah, my dad and my mom wouldn't allow me to have a cell phone until I got out of the house. Yeah, they were pretty strict about that. They, like everybody else growing up at that time, they was first thing in the morning you got kicked outside to play. Yep, that was it. Don't come back until the streetlights come on. When I was in Milan as a 10, 11-year-old, it was pretty rural around our house.

We lived out on the main highway coming through town. I would leave the house in the morning and I'd take my BB gun or whatever it is and I just go out all day. All day. And, you know, and we seem to be okay. Nobody was worried about being carted off by perverts, although I'm sure plenty of perverts existed even then. But I think that that is one gift though that the stay at home mom culture had even in those days, which is that anybody that wanted to do bad things in a neighborhood, they knew that every home or most every home had someone in it paying attention

and watching. Yeah. Your mom always knew you were in trouble before you got into trouble. Yeah. Yeah. In many cases. Jim, appreciate you sharing your story about that too. Great one.

Okay. All right. Have a good day that too. Great one, okay? All right. Have a good day, Bill. You too, now. 729 at KMED, 99.3 KBXG. Getting ready for a summer road trip? Click on The Travel Report on KMED.com for the latest road construction, road cams and gas prices in our region. Be prepared with The Travel Report on KMED.com.

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decarbonization was sold to the sheep? And I knew it was a lie even back then. Oh my gosh, the wind and the solar is so cheap, it's practically free. The part that they never told anybody back then, and even though we were discussing on the program with various people and folks that knew about this is that every bit of renewable power has to have 100%

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I guess that's how this ends up working there. Yeah, that's why I was only half joking that maybe we could all be declared data centers and this way we get better and cheaper power, that kind of thing. But in all seriousness, you're looking at a decarbonization. Also part of the cost of the power going up, honestly though, is dealing with wildfire mitigation costs and hardening of the grid and trying to keep them from... yeah I know this is something they should have been doing for a long long time but remember a

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Scott Miller, I talked to Scott Miller, I want to say, Scott, wasn't it, what, four years ago you said it was November of 2021 when I last talked to you and you had lost your license to practice, right? In Washington State, right? That's correct. All right. And I kind of lost track of you after that. And this was during COVID. This had to do with all the COVID mandates and everything like that. That was what was happening to you back then at that time, if I recall. Correct, yes. I was treating COVID patients outpatient and getting people

out of the hospitals, but I was also writing masks and vaccines. I don't call it a vaccine, but COVID shot exemptions. I was basically doing everything that the State Department of Health considered reckless and dangerous. And this was in rural Washington where you were living at that time, correct? State Department of Health considered reckless and dangerous. And this was in rural Washington where you were living at that time, correct? Yeah, we were in Southwest, actually just over the river from Portland in a small town. Okay, all right. You've written a book about your experiences and I think it is well worth hearing and reminding

ourselves of just how low we got back in those days. And I don't even know if we've really recovered from it since. It's called the most dangerous man in Washington. Where'd you come up with that name? Was it about the way the medical board tended to look at you? Well, that's what I was called. They said that I was the substantive evil and that was what they called me. I thought, man, that takes a lot to earn a shot in the panicker.

When I was thinking about the title, it was just a word that kept coming up. My staff would joke, they're like, you don't look that dangerous. I know, right? The things that were written about me by the state, the attorney general, the AAG, that was the phrase that kept coming up that I was the most dangerous man and I needed to... They held a separate emergency medical hearing. The Washington Medical Commission held a separate emergency hearing to change the language in the WMCs, their kind of statement on how providers are supposed to act.

And because I was speaking out so much, they literally put in clauses in there for the misinformation and disinformation so they could come after me. Ah, misinformation and disinformation. In other words, a difference of opinion with the centralized control and command of the medical system. Isn't that really what we're talking about? Exactly. Anything that's outside of what they call quote-unquote consensus medicine. So if you say anything that is not considered consensus, which they have determined and documented, they will come after you.

And it's still, that's still the state that we're in. Well, I'm no longer in Washington, but that's still their practice, from what I understand. They still can't speak out. You know, consensus medicine would be, you know, if you were to go back into the medieval times then, if you as a physician's assistant or pediatric physician's assistant, which is what you were in Washington state at that time, if you were to say, you know, I don't think that that bleeding people is necessarily the, you know, the best way to actually cure people of this particular disease or you would say something if they had

all the sudden silence, the consensus says the bleeding must be done, right? Get out the barber pole. It really hasn't changed much, really, when it comes to that tribalism. Or how crazy it is to wash your hands before a surgery, right? That was unheard of, like, why would you do that? Yeah, the metric hasn't changed. In the state of Washington, I was interviewed a few days ago. They were asking me specifically what it's like for providers still in Washington. I'll give you an example. So I have a hearing coming

up in Alaska. I applied for a license. It was denied, but I was able to appeal it. Yay. And I beat the state's motion to dismiss my case, the administrative judge sided with me. Um, I can't get a provider in the state of Washington to be, uh, in any type of witness on my behalf, because if they do, the words they would say would be deemed misinformation or disinformation and they would come after them. Take us back then to 2021. And the reason I wanted to talk with you about it is that it's important to hear your story again and remember.

And I think that, you know, our heads are back in the sand, you know, once again, and centralized command and control of the medical system is still a canker sore on medicine. There's very little practicing of medicine, in my opinion, that's going on, especially in the hospital systems. It's almost the practicing of protocols,

which is once again, consensus medicine. So tell me what happened back in 2021, remind people. Well, so the HHS, Health and Human Services, basically flipped the switch and it changed what you just said. It changed doctors in the hospital from being able to practice medicine to blindly following a checklist. And I did hundreds of hospital rescue calls and I heard the same thing in every hospital

in every state across the country. It was like when you watch the news and they just regurgitate the same talking point, every single doctor, except for one in a rural hospital in Northern California, use the use the term, well, that's not part of our protocol. Well, that's not on the checklist. It's not on the checklist. It's not whether or not it could work. It's if it's on the checklist, It's group think, in other words.

Correct. And so, initially, I tried to use logic and reason and facts and science to get them to move the needle and add different therapies in, and I couldn't do it. What were you doing in Washington? What kind of different therapies were you working as a pediatric physician's assistant at that time? What were you doing that got you sideways with him again? Well at that point the kids were pretty much unaffected and if they got sick, they're really easy to treat

so I was taking care of all of the Moms dads and grandparents who are left without care because oh there was no treatment, right? That was there's nothing you can do You just go home until you get too sick or you just you know Wade through the muck and the problem that, and this is why I was speaking out so aggressively, was the case for early treatment. Because it's still, it was a bio-weapon that was specifically designed in a very elegant, dangerous way to hurt us. Whether we had a mild case, moderate case, severe

case, it's still a spike protein that binds to and damages our cells and so we want to make it go away as quickly as possible. And so I was aggressive with things like ivermectin, colchicine, nebulizing, budesonide. I had everyone nebulizing budecinide and saline. I had them on allergy meds because of the histamine response from it's activated with spike protein, things like Montelucast which we use for asthma allergies. The turnaround for these people was especially if they weren't in acute respiratory failure, the turnaround was so rapid. After 10, 15 treatments for patients, I'm like, this is incredible.

This was early 2020. And so after I had treated 500 and then 1,000, at that point, I'm like, okay, maybe I'm not wrong. This might be effective. Well, I see you weren't practicing protocol, you weren't using the protocol, you found using medical training, you found alternatives that worked though. And shouldn't that have been what mattered in the medical world? What worked? Well, the problem, and I

spoke with quite a few intensivists, like critical care pulmonologists and intensivists, and just trying to get their mindset, because I would say, well, listen, we know what the inflammatory, we know what that pro-inflammatory storm is. We know the inflammatory mediators that are causing it. And they call that, that's what they call the cytokine storm, right? The cytokine storm, correct. And we know things that can mitigate it, that can make it go away or significantly reduce the negative impact. And across the board, they would say this, well, we know that there just aren't enough studies. That was the ubiquitous phrase, there just aren't enough studies.

And I wrote about several, because people, unless you went through it, you can't wrap your mind around it. So I shared some stories in book one about very, very specific situations, conversations that I had with the doctors. And anytime family were on the phone with me, when we would hang up, we would continue our call and they would say, Scott, I don't understand. Well, why won't they do anything? And I would say, I don't know. And so we would, you know, continue our call and they would say, Scott, I don't understand. Well, why won't they do anything? And I would say, I don't know. And so we would have to just find a way to surreptitiously take over their care. And when we did, they all left. Like we got hundreds of people out of the hospital that were told they were going to be put on a ventilator.

But that was... And getting put on our ventilator, wasn't that almost a death sentence for many? And getting put on our ventilator, wasn't that almost a death sentence for many? In our local hospitals in Vancouver, there is about a five to seven percent survival rate. I'll give you an example. By the way, I'm talking with Scott Miller. Scott Miller is author of The Most Dangerous Man in Washington, back when he was a pediatric physician's assistant, and they were going off the protocol and saving people during COVID. I think it's important to remember people like Scott, people that were stepping outside.

Many have paid a really intense price. By the way, you had to leave Washington because they killed your career there. And so you went to Texas. Were you treated differently in Texas or not? Well, yeah, they don't know me here. So it's a little different. But yeah, it got to a point after I lost my medical practice.

We lost everything. And I transitioned. I ended up doing a bunch of integrative health practitioner certifications. And so I was doing, you know, consulting, health coaching and then they came after me for that. Even though I sent in my certificates to the Washington Medical Commission, I told them what I was doing, my attorneys let them know, they just, they came after me

actually harder during during 2022 and 2023 and it got to a point where our attorneys called and Shelley and I get on the phone and they they basically said you have to leave you have to move don't tell anyone go dark they're gonna put in they're gonna put me in jail Scott the point is that they're gonna put you in jail put you in jail for what for saving people's I mean, what is the goal of having a medical license? I don't know anymore. I mean, the goal is to be able to have autonomy to care for your patients and community in a kind, safe, loving fashion and use your skill set to help heal people. But obviously we know that's not where medicine is because it's solely driven by pharmaceutical

money. And of course, pharmaceutical money buys a lot of influence within Congress that ends up dealing with the rules, right, the administrative rules that then filter down to the state. I remember in the state of Oregon when I had a prescription for ivermectin, you know, the pill form of ivermectin, and then it got to the point where I had a prescription but no one would fill it because the Oregon pharmacy board said, oh no, we're not going to do this, know safe and effective go get the go get the COVID Shot, it's what they did. I remember this well and

Well in interest of go ahead. Yeah, and what we ended up doing what a lot of people in Southern Oregon we ended up starting It was almost an let me put it this way People I've known and other people, we started kind of an Ivermectin Underground Railway to this area. And what it was is that we would read alternative places from like FLCCC.net and the financial person and Barnhart had a great page on how to use ivermectin. And it was just getting the injectable, the liquid injectable and dosing it out. And I know that my wife Linda, I never got COVID, I never had COVID, but my wife Linda got it at one point.

And in just a few hours, she thought she was going to die, right? And they weren't going to do anything for her at the hospital. She took it and then within five hours, she had drastically improved. And yeah, she felt miserable for a week or two, but she did okay out of this. And it was cheap. It was cheap, Scott. There are many other people I knew that did the same thing. We were having to do it behind the scenes because the medical system wasn't going to do it for you. Just kind of what you're talking about, right? It wasn't just the pharmacy board. I ended up talking with a pharmacist that I've worked with for the last five years. And Safeway, Rite Aid, Costco, you know, Walmart, Target, CBS, etc. It was those corporations that they were getting, the pharmacists were getting memos from corporate to refuse dispensing.

Yeah, it's a nice pharmaceutical license you have here. It'd be a shame if something happened to it, right? That's essentially what was going on, Scott. And we had a few. There were a few pharmacists at the blockchain, at these blockchain pharmacies that would dispense it. It was comical. We had their schedules.

We had a big board, and we had pharmac pharmacist schedules, what pharmacies they worked at. We would call and check what their schedules were for the week. We had so many new patients every single day. There were days where we did 25, 30 new acutely ill patients. We would end up bombing these different pharmacists and it got to be a problem for them. And so it literally got to a point where the only way to do it was I ended up buying the equivalent of a small pharmacy. So I bought thousands of doses of ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine and poulticein, etc. And I had a bunch of volunteer nurses

that would come in. We'd get them packaged up and then I met with a bunch of local business leaders and pastors of local churches and we created, I called it pods. So we created pods in the East Gorge all the way through Vancouver and up through the North and we would get these packages of meds to say like 15 families in a church and all the vitamins and supplements. And so it was this mass community like you were talking about, it was this mass underground. So anybody that got sick in a church, you know, a church family, they would let the pastor know.

I would get a message or my office would get a message with all of the names and then we would be able to And we took me and we took health history, etc. It wasn't super rogue and then we were able to get everybody The therapies they needed by bypassing the pharmacies if need be And my question for you Scott and Scott Miller once again telling his story is the author of the most dangerous man in Washington This was Washington State at that time. Has there been true reform in our medical system right now to keep the big lie from being used against the people again, which is what happened in COVID?

No, absolutely not. The only thing that's, the only real thing that's changed is that you can, you're able to go into the hospital and be with a loved one. So if somebody's sick, you can go in there and be an advocate for them. That's really the only thing that's changed. I still, I still get, I get bombed all the time from people across the country asking for help. And it's like Groundhog State. We're in the middle of 2025, and the conversations I have with doctors isn't much different. Why is that? Why is it no different in 2025 with what we know now with the bloodthirsty protocols of 2020, 2021 and beyond, why hasn't those conversations changed?

I think a lot, and there's a lot of reasons, but if you think about, let's say, all of the new positions in training, you know, that were in 2020, 2021, 2022, what were they taught? This was, I was a preceptor, I had students with me all the time. I would ask them, what is your school? What are your instructors telling you about COVID or about treatment? They're like, well, nothing. The vaccine is everybody needs to get vaccinated. That's what was being taught.

If you don't hear anything different and these are people you trust and then you get into say a hospital system, you're immediately indoctrinated into it. So you're a newbie that's in the hospital and you're looking up to these seasoned doctors that you revere and they're telling you the same thing. You're not going to be like, I don't know, they're chiefs. You just be like, okay, this is what we do. There's no, there's almost no, like, so when I would explain a rationale for something as simple as nebulizing, it was like pulling teeth to do something that pre-COVID, they would have done without thought or to put them on, you know, high

dose steroids to get the, the cytokine storm. Yeah, get the inflammation down. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, they wouldn't do it. If somebody came in with asthma, they'd put them on like 125 milligrams of sodium edryl. If they were in acute respiratory failure, they would keep them off fluids. They wouldn't nebulize anything. They'd put them on remdesivir, kill their kidneys, and then sedate them. I mean it's just and that's still happening every day in hospitals across our country. They're still giving remdesivir and I know there were even nurses here in southern Oregon hospital systems they would tell me that they

nicknamed it run death is near. Yeah in fact the expert, the medical, the state of Washington, Washington state's expert witness for the medical commission in 2023, end of 2023 during Dr. Ryan Cole's hearing, stated that remdesivir is still the gold standard of care and that they're looking at using it in an outpatient setting for people. That was the... Okay. What is going on here with this then? Is the practice of medicine, the allopathic physician, is that whole allopathic system

just broken or compromised or both or... Completely compromised. Totally compromised. Completely compromised. Where would you, now given that you're out of it apparently right now, how do you reform this? I mean is RFK Jr. on the right track on some of this or what are you thinking about this? track on some of this or what are you thinking about this? There's, I mean, he's on the right track in terms of a mindset, the things that he's

said to us, but trying to change that kind of system that's so ingrained when the American Medical Association, when the American Academy of Pediatrics recommends a COVID vaccine for six-month-olds. That's insane. It's criminal. It's insane and it's criminal. Yet, that's the CDC even taking it off of the basically as a must give if you're a pediatrician and you kind of have to give it or you're going to get in a lot of trouble.

I was a single owner, a single provider, so I could do whatever I wanted. I got to use my conscience. But if you're in a group or a hospital setting, you have to do it. But they think it's good. They literally think this is how you protect your children, your babies and the parents and grandparents. They literally think that. Like they don't think it's, they think it's as,

it was the saving grace, not realizing that. I'll give you an example in 2020. By the end of 2020, there were 300,000 deaths. And I call it due to complete and utter nihilism of science and lack of care. So 300,000, say 20,000 deaths. In 2021, after the rollout of the shots, throughout 2021, there were just over a million deaths. So at a time when a vaccine is made available and 70% of Americans get a vaccine, we have more than triple the amount of deaths than we

did prior to the vaccine. And by the way, as you went further into it, the virus was less impactful. It's always, you know, it's always worse in the early part of it, right? The actual infectiousness or the damage, you know, done by it. Am I right about that? Figure that out? Typically, by late summer of 2020, it was, if you go back and remember, they stopped on CNN and MSNBC, etc. They had had the death toll. That ticker stopped and they switched MSNBC, etc. They'd have the death toll.

That ticker stopped and they switched to new cases. Yeah. So it went from deaths to new cases. And it was brilliant. And I pushed back against the PCR test because they were cycling it so many times. And even Dr. Fauci, I don't even like calling him, even Fauci said anything cycled over say 34 times, meaning how many times you have to cycle it to try and find some organisms.

Yeah. In other words, it's trying to amplify the sample in order to make the sample louder in order to find the virus, the COVID virus at that time. Yeah. Or, you know, I used it for bacteria. I did that all the time for years before COVID for bacteria, you know, doing bacterial cultures. And, and so really anything over 30 is, is nothing. Um, and so I've got really involved in this, especially because it affected our school. So they were, they were swabbing all these kids and they were coming up

positive, even though they were asymptomatic. And that's what they came up with that new word asymptomatic. Yeah, in other words, they were perfectly healthy and their immune system was dealing with it, right? That's honestly what was going on. They didn't even have COVID. The cycle counts were... So we would call in because they never gave the cycle count. It just said it was qualitative or it just said positive. I'm like, I don't know what positive means.

How many times was it cycled? And we would get the cycle counts. It'd be like 37, 38, 35. And I'd call the parents and I'm like, you're good. Your kids don't have COVID. It was a false positive. But that's what they used to control how schools were able to let kids back in. It was what they were using.

I mean, the money that these schools were getting in Vancouver, like 63 million dollars for like Evergreen School District and you know, 59, I mean, we're talking shocking amounts of money that these school districts were getting. Scott, you know, I could probably talk to you another hour on this one, but I have limited time in the moment then. Why is it important that people learn more about your story, about what's going on here? Because from the sounds of it, there really hasn't been reform yet in our medical system, in the United States medical system overall. No.

And I think as you were mentioning, it's up to us. I will say this, I was doing a book signing and a talk actually out in Washington a month and a half ago. And even people that were close to me that knew some of the things I was doing, they'd read the book and they're like, I had no idea this was going on. And people still doubt. And so I think in the book it's one of those things it was just my true account of the things that I experienced the challenges that we had, the impact that it had on my community, on my clinic, on my staff, on our family and again if you didn't if you never had somebody

that went into the hospital you you would think, ah, it couldn't have been that bad. It was that bad and worse. Again, I think, A, there's a bunch of information in there. If you get, not just COVID, but if you get COVID, influenza, RSV. I go through the protocols I used to make RSV. We talk about that a lot. It's super easy to make go away. My son got RSV and his symptoms were gone in about

two hours versus five to seven days of being really sick and if that was an elderly, they could possibly be hospitalized because there's technically no treatment for it, really easy to treat. But a few reasons. I've been told it's a really interesting read. It's a good read. There's a lot of, I think, life-saving information in it for people, generally speaking. And, you know, it helps support me to be able to continue doing my mission and helping people. What are you doing now? What's next?

I mean, are you still in the practice of medicine in any form or not? Not the practice of medicine, no. I consult. So like today, I get calls from people in groups all over the country asking if I will consult and intervene or help intervene and families who Because of what happened in Washington you can't get really a medical license at this point because of what happened, right? That seems to be the case. So I do have a hearing in Alaska

and it's it's a long shot, but the fact that I'm I'm the first person I I think, period ever to have had a... They had a permanent revocation of my license that they did without me knowing it. But so you technically can't, but I was able to... It's like God put the right administrative judge in my path. And so we'll see. It's a long shot but I'm going, you know, we're starting more of a, we'll call it natural. I mean

there's so many therapies that nobody talks about that are unbelievably beneficial at helping get to root cause of, I call it, disease. And so we're looking at doing another wellness facility in Texas. Because they, you know, they don't know to come after me. So I think we're safe doing that. Okay, well, all right. We think we're safe and they can't come after me. That's kind of chilling in its own place. I'm talking with Scott Miller. He's the author of The Most Dangerous Man in Washington.

Carl, are you even trying back? Do you want to talk to Scott, ask him a question? Go ahead. Yeah, this is John. Yeah, John. Have you had any relationship with Simone Gold and Gold Care? You'd fit right in with, they have a whole team of people

that are basically staying the same thing that you do and they have thousands of people now enrolled in Gold Care. I'm familiar with it. She actually reached out to me in 2021, but I haven't. Again, thank you for bringing that up. I mean, I have... I'm directly involved with her and them. And if you say it's okay for Bill to give me your phone number after you're off the air, I'll call you and give you her cell number. That would be fantastic. Thank you so much. All right. Hey, John, appreciate the call. And Scott, I appreciate you sharing some of the story here. And I know that so much of our world is, hey, forget about what happened then, short attention

span theater, off we go, you know, onto the next outrage or something like that. But what happened to doctors and physicians assistants and nurses and everybody that questioned what was going on, which was obviously wrong, obviously wrong and openly harmful in many cases. This has to be dealt with and we have to remind ourselves of this and I don't know what the reform process comes from, but perhaps a rising sense of outrage could help, I guess. All right, Scott, how can people get a copy of Most Dangerous Man in Washington? Where'd they go? Right now, it's on Amazon. Currently, that's the only place right now. So, yeah, and if they're not sure, I looked at some of the reviews and people really enjoy it. And again, it's a pretty fascinating story. I call it an impossible story because it got to a point where it was literally only through

literal divine guidance and intervention over and over that we were able to care for the people we did. And so it's more of a faith journey of going through the fire, fire after fire after fire, and seeing how God was able to guide and lead us in caring for people. Scott Miller, thanks for being on the show. Be well. I appreciate your time. All right.

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