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Episode Date: July 14, 2025

Morning news and conversation, later Paul Steidler is a Senior Fellow at the Lexington Institute talking about populist MAGE may be hurting AI rollouts?

The Bill Meyer Show podcast is sponsored by Clauser Drilling. They've been leading the way in southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Clauser Drilling.com. Here's Bill Meyer. So great to have you here this Monday morning, July 14th, 2025. And it's already 74 degrees. It didn't get all that cool overnight. That is for sure. Welcome to the show.

You can join in at 7705633 770 K a day the email bill at Bill Myers show calm how do we can go for you I ended up we had a Pacific power power outage that was called in on Saturday night and we ended up getting a weird phone call we didn't understand what this was at first and they were saying that they were gonna shut the power off from 11 o'clock at night until 9 o'clock in the morning. So this was a 10-hour outage and it was pretty hot day. As you well know, it was pretty hot day over the weekend and so I ended up doing a post about this and apparently it only affected about 2,000 folks and it wasn't

as bad as they were talking about it at first. They called it an emergency wire or cable or you know power line repair of some sort that had to be done. And apparently Pacific Power actually did a pretty good job and got it back in order sooner rather than later. Power didn't go out of our house at East Medford until 1230 and then it came back on about 330, 4 o'clock somewhere in there. So that was about the worst of it over the weekend for us. But other than that, man, I'll tell you, I was a bump on a log over the weekend. This is not something that

happens very often, but I guess, you know, it's 102. I don't feel much like being, you know, out in the yard doing yard work. You know, it's just not really me. Not even the, and I don't even feel like getting up early. I slept nine hours and 45 minutes yesterday morning. Yesterday morning is almost 10 hours. I woke up almost at 10 o'clock. I never wake up that late. Obviously I needed it. And I had about eight or nine hours the night before. Remember I told you on Friday I was out doing that transmitter work in the middle of the night and I was feeling kind of sleepy by the end of Friday's show and I guess I kind of collapsed over the weekend, but did okay. And I hope your weekend ended up being all right too.

I've got a lot going on this morning. I wanted to give you an example of what we're going to be heading into as far as some of the folks this morning. And we have a gentleman from the Lexington Institute. I've never talked with him. His name is Paul Steidler, and he's concerned about mega populists might be getting in the way of artificial intelligence. I'm going to talk with him about this in 20 minutes, because he says that the big red states are really embracing artificial intelligence because I guess apparently the data centers are flowing there and there's lots of big high-tech money going in there. And he says that the populists are getting in the way by questioning

this focus on artificial intelligence. I guess I would be counted as one of the people that's part of the problem as far as he's concerned. And so I want to hear what he has to say about this because I can see the uses for the artificial intelligence, but I also know at this point that it is destroying more jobs than it's creating. And, you know, it used to be that if we're going to destroy your job, then we told you to go code. You better go back to college and you better learn how to code. And then that didn't work now because artificial intelligence is now writing most of the software. You can start firing all the coders and just have the AI do that. And those are not exactly low paying jobs and various other things. Well, look at Intel. Intel

laying off thousands over in the Hillsborough area. Bill London will have more on that story coming up here in about 20 minutes. And what's kind of gone unnoticed or maybe not, maybe just unsaid is that a lot of these jobs are being replaced by artificial intelligence. Now I know that you look at what had happened in the past and when there was creative destruction within the economy, you ended up getting more productive afterwards with fewer people. You know, it's just like we don't have, you know, buggy whip manufacturers anymore. I get that. There comes a point though where maybe that creative destruction doesn't lead to greater employment later. Everything about this seems to be, you know, let's get rid of as many high tech people as possible

and replace everyone with robots. And there are some in the culture, and I would say I'm kind of a little bit in both, you know, in both pawns, so to speak. I can see the real use of AI. I can also see the real control and manipulation that's possible in AI too. Anyway, I'll talk with Paul about that here in just a little bit. And if that isn't headache enough, I have Tom Zeller Jr. and he wrote an interesting book called The Headache, the science of the world's most confounding affliction. They still continue to try to figure out what's going at the bottom of this. In fact, there's a good talk that 40% of the population is chronically debilitated at one time or another by serious headaches.

We're not talking about, oh, I just had a little bit of a headache this morning, had a cup of coffee and everything's okay. I'll talk with him for a few minutes about that. Also, Joseph Rice, chair of the Republican Party in Joe County, is going to join me too. They had a rock go through the window. I want to get the latest on what happened with that. And Bonner Cohen, Dr. Bonner Cohen, I talked with him just a few days ago, but I wanted to bring him back on because now people are saying cloud seeding and the floods in Texas It's a different take on it. And of course, dr. Dennis powers were past meets present all that kind of stuff

We got a lot going on this morning and I appreciate you being here Let me ask you should Should mega supporters that were concerned about Jeffrey Epstein be quiet move on And stop harping on it, because it is something which has been growing. In fact, if anything, the unrest within the Make America Great group has been getting louder. Over the weekend, President Trump, in fact, I think this was on Saturday, he called on his base of supporters not to waste their time and energy focus to conspiracy and sex traffic minors.

He called it his base not to waste their time and energy focusing on the details surrounding the late convicted sex offender, Jeffrey Epstein. This is an Epic Times coverage of it. And this is a quote from his Truth Social, What's going on with my boys and in some cases gals? They're all going after Attorney General Pam Bondi, who's doing a fantastic job in Capitals, all in Capitals. And Trump started this lengthy July 12 post on Truth Social. We're on one team, mega, and I don't like what's happening. We have a perfect administration, the talk of the world, and selfish people are trying to hurt it all over a guy who never dies, Jeffrey Epstein.

Is one of the answers to that selfish? It's an interesting way of putting it. If you have an opinion on this one way or another, I'd be happy to take it. That one kind of strikes me. You know, President Trump who tends to know his base pretty well, I don't know if that one is... I don't know if insulting your base about something that you ran on is good policy. Maybe there's more to this, but if there is something more to it, I think that we should be told, don't you? And I know that I guess I would be counted as one of those selfish people who is getting

in the way. I'm getting in the way of progress, just like if I am not a total lickspittle and lay down to artificial intelligence taking over the world, that, well, I'm part of the problem too. I guess I'm just going to have to be part of the problem. Are you part of the problem or are you part of the solution? We could talk about that and more this morning on the Bill Meyer Show, 21 after 6. This is 7705633 to get in. This is the Bill Meyer Show and I appreciate you waking up here.

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Or do you still have questions? And should those questions be answered? That's one question I would toss out to you this morning. There's an interesting Supreme Court case last week that we had talked about, and I'll talk about this more with Dr. Dennis Powers. And Money Guy Martin Armstrong voted peace, which I don't know if I agree with this or not. The Internal Revenue Service has deemed it legal for tax-exempt places of worship to back political candidates. The Trump administration pushed for this measure, repealing a 70-year-old tax code. This is the Johnson Amendment. We've known about this for quite some time. But the point being, though, is that Armstrong Economics,

Martin R. Armstrong, is thinking that this is a bad idea to allow churches to endorse candidates. I guess the idea is that this would essentially put churches totally in control of the Internal Revenue Service. I disagree with him on that point. If anything, the Johnson Amendment put the Internal Revenue Service in control of speech. Totally, in my opinion. You'd have for years the 501c3 church that would say, oh boy, we can't say anything about this because we can't say anything about this. We could have the devil running for this particular office, but we can't say anything about it because of our tax exempt status. Then you'd

have people like Pastor Chuck Baldwin over in Montana that would say, hey, I won't take any tax exemption. Fine. And so I'll just say what I want, which I appreciate like that. I don't know if the Internal Revenue Service will necessarily have control of the churches, but the one thing I do agree with Martin Armstrong, though, is that you could see corrupt donations then starting to be laundered through churches. Might that be the bigger concern of something like this, in which we have political donations that are essentially, let's say from the Democratic Party especially,

you know how they're really good at getting them Christian churches while behind them, all them prosperity preacher types, you know, the ones that there is no devil, there is no hell, there is no standard, just choices. I'm being a little sarcastic when I say that, but maybe that, you know, might that be something to be concerned about? Do you have an opinion? Anything about that? So churches will be allowed to, well, of course, the fact that even that you're being told you're going to be allowed to endorse candidates, is that necessarily going to corrupt churches more than many of them already are? I don't know, but give me your opinion if

you want. 7705633. This is the Bill Meyers show. Happy to take a call or two before news. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Good morning Bill, it's Francine. Why Francine? How are you doing in the sprawling metropolis of talent? I'm doing good. Of course I have to be careful when I go out with my dog now. Sometimes I carry a long handle, a small blade shovel with me because the deer with all the does with their little babies, they're starting to get real confrontational. Oh, they are, huh? Yeah, that's nothing unusual. But, you know, as the late mayor of Ashland once opined, well, he didn't, well, he read a letter in the Deer Summit. Shoot the deer, you effin pansy.

That's right. But you can't do that. I get that. All right. Well, you know, and anyways, the reason I'm calling is the Epstein stuff. I'm not going to sit here and go on and on about, you know, all the reasons why this should not be covered up. What my point is, because everybody's run that into the ground. Something is really wrong with... I mean, I've always known Trump as an... We could never totally trust Trump, but he's really just let it all hang out now. I mean, this is bad. So in other words, it feeds you who were... You were a tepid Trump supporter from the sounds of it. Would that be fair? Well, let's put it this way. I would, yeah, I was, you know, I mean, I'd vote Hitler over Kamala and some people like Hillary.

You know what I'm saying? I'm, you know, I'm, but, but, uh, he, he's, he's showing his colors and there's a video, I don't know if I sent it to you or Lucretia did or something, but there is a video out called The Agenda. I can't remember what they have in store for your future or something like that. And it is really worth watching because it pulls it all together. It's the whole Agenda 21 stuff, but it's so well done and very articulate and very clear and it's not going, bleh, bleh, bleh, bleh. Yeah, but what do you think all of this

would have to do with, more or less, everybody saying, hey, nothing to see along here, move along? What do you? It's all part of the big PsyOP and the control grid. And this is how they're treating us. And we are just in there going, oh darn it, you know. But no, I mean, it's bad, Bill. It's really bad.

And it's getting closer and closer to where there's not going to be any coming back from it. I mean, I don't know if there is now, but it's bad. All right. You want to hear something else that's going on though from the conspiracy theory world? You want to hear a good one? Okay. Do you hear what happened over in Oklahoma City a few days ago?

No. Okay. Oklahoma television station reporting this one, KOSU, okay? KOSU. And remember when Lucretia and other people would call it and say that the weather is being controlled by the Doppler radar? Remember you hear those kind of things? And more than one person is called a ship.

Well, KOSU reports that, let's see, veterans on patrol, which the Southern Poverty Law Center defines as an anti-government militia, of course, I don't know how much, I don't trust them, is claiming responsibility for an individual damaging News 9, the television's live weather radar, knocking it offline. Well, yeah. And veterans on patrol supposedly told the station, posted a sign warning of other radars being targeted near weather, other radar. He says he believes the government is modifying the weather with the radar, according to the article. So that is the latest here when things go... The radar from news stations and stuff like that?

Yeah. Yeah. This was over in Oklahoma City. I mean, I'll tell you, I have to say, I do believe that there is weather manipulation. I don't think it's every single thing that happens who's being manipulated, but there is weather manipulation. I know you're going to go, but I do know that there are chemtrails. Not all trails are chemtrails. Thank you. I am nauseous over the chemtrail stuff.

Yeah, this isn't a topic I'm trying to bring up. Okay, thank you. I am nauseous over the camp trail stuff. Yeah, this isn't a topic I'm trying to bring up. Okay, thank you. There are a lot of things that I know are going on that are the conspiracy theory realm. And some of them, you know, people will just scoff at and make fun of you or whatever, but I have been paying a lot of attention for many, many years, for like almost 25 years now. Okay, all I want to say, if they are controlling it then please put an order into them and ask them to just take it down to maybe 90 instead of 102, okay? Bill, okay, listen, it's not just, you know, every little thing, it's not like that.

Yeah, I know, I know, but still it's this... But there is a kind of nonsense that everything is out of our control at this point. What did I just say a minute ago? I said, no, it's this... But there is a kind of nonsense that everything is out of our control at this point. What did I just say a minute ago? I said, no, it's not that they're taking total control of the weather. What I'm trying to say is that they can do a lot of things. And the part of what they do is just a mental psyop of freaking people out etc etc and so forth. All right, all right. Hey, Francine, I appreciate you. Continue walking with your dog, with your dog and the shovel, okay? Hopefully you don't have to hit anything. I got to roll here, okay? Thanks. Let me go to the next line. Hi, good morning. This is Bill. Who's this?

This is Minor Dave. Yes, Dave. I wanted to say words on you. we call it the American Revolution, but the British call it the Presbyterian Wars because there were so many Presbyterians preaching against the King of England. So yeah, you can start a revolution with a motivated church that sees wrong and wants to correct it. So it could be good, it could be bad. Yeah, that's interesting. The Presbyterian War. Yeah, okay, that would make sense, given the makeup of the congregations in those days. By the way, today is Happy Bastille Day, is it not? I'm pretty sure. Isn't this the anniversary of the French Revolution?

You know, what they did there with Steel Day is there were so many people in the prison there that they started an outside riot that the guards got scared and left. Yeah, well, you know, there weren't that many prisoners in there though. There just weren't. They know that. You know, look up the history. It's kind of interesting what they actually found afterwards. But point well taken, Minor Dave.

Happy Bustil Day. And one more before news. Hi, good morning. Good morning. Hello, you're on. Who's this? Oh, hi Bill, it's Lynn. Hi Lynn, how you been? Good. So a couple things. First of all, I just want to say it's... I think it's just complete BS, this idea that churches are afraid of the IRS. I've never ever heard that discussed anywhere, except from this guy Baldwin. I think it's a bad idea. The most politicized churches are the far left ones and I've been, my dad attends one and it's absolutely horrible. It's just a leftist greed from start to finish. Well you know that's interesting that you know and Armstrong has not been

really happy with this because he says it's going to get worse now, if anything. Well, I don't think so, because at least the churches that follow Scripture, they don't really follow what the IRS tells them. It's the theology, and the difficulty is finding the balance between teaching people how to think biblically and apply that to their voting decisions and encourage them to vote, which most of them don't, and I have to give kudos to my pastor. He did this last election talk about the importance of voting. But you know, our congregation has Democrats and Republicans, and first of all, it

takes the focus on what unites us, which is our faith in Christ. That's the most important thing. And it's divisive, and it's not the main thing, but pastors should still be teaching people the duties of citizenship. All right. Do you think though that the Johnson amendment, which is now going to be going away now, which will pretty much unshackle that, is it overall bad thing or okay thing or doesn't matter? I think it doesn't matter. You think it doesn't matter? I mean, it's fine. I mean, the less the government boot is on our necks, the better. But Armstrong, he thinks pure democracy is the best form of government, so I don't believe everything.

Yeah, I can't go there either. Yeah, and I agree with you. I agree with you on that. I have a quick comment about Bondi, if I can, and the Epstein debacle. Megyn Kelly reported that those influencers that were waving the binders, they were invited to the White House to have a chat with the president. They had no idea. And then they were just kind of set up and embarrassed. And I think Bondi is a problem. I wouldn't mind seeing her go. But the one good thing from this mess is that she was continuing to prosecute Dr. Kirk Moore, who was a doctor. I think he was a plastic surgeon, but he was giving people false vaccine cards and injecting

them with saline and stuff. That's right. And this patient was... with vaccine cards and injecting them with saline and stuff. That's right. And Bonnie was also the one that did the George Zimmerman prosecution too. Yeah, and I hadn't known that. Anyway, she dropped the charges against Dr. Moore. And that was MTG was pushing that, but also this was all over social media, what was happening to Dr. Moore. So I'm willing to put up with it for the release of Dr. Moore.

I never thought we would hear anything, we would never get anything about the Epstein files. There's too many powerful men. We know Epstein was intelligence. Alex Acosta said that. Probably Mossad. Was it Ahud Barak that apparently stayed with him at his flat? Oh yeah.

Yeah, Barak was part of this too. The thing is though, of course, let's but you know Barack was part of this too. You know, the thing is though, of course, let's just say that this was a Mossad operation, which is what it sounds like all the time. It's right out of their playbook, right? I could see this being very embarrassing, okay? Yes. Let me just put it that way. And is it worth it? I don't know yet, but we'll see. Well, if it's a national security matter, I imagine they were somehow convinced that they cannot let this information out. That's my best guess.

Yeah, but you know, you can hide a lot of people that should be prosecuted in perps that should be in jail behind the rubric of national security. You know, that's my concern. Totally. 100%. Yeah. Okay. Hey, Lynn, appreciate the thoughtful call, all right?

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News Talk 1063, KMED, You're waking up with the Bill Myers show. Paul Steidler joins me. He is the senior fellow at the Lexington Institute. It's a public policy think tank based in Arlington, Virginia. Paul, it's a pleasure having you on. Morning, sir. It's great to be with you, Bill. Paul, could you tell us a little bit about what the Lexington Institute is about and where your major focus is there? Yes, we are a conservative think tank in Arlington, Virginia, just outside of Washington, D.C., aka the swamp. We focus on doing research papers and articles on areas in national defense, technology, policy, logistics, innovation,

and energy. We've been around for about 25 years. Our website is lexingtoninstitute.org. That's lexingtoninstitute.org. We put out materials that are discussed with policymakers and others out there. Okay, very good. And one that you're getting into right now is, it's interesting that the last few days there have been some rifts within the so-called mega base here and the populist right involving, well, of course, we don't even want to get into the Jeffrey Epstein sort of situation. We're going to set that aside here at the moment.

But there is a growing rift when it comes to the AI and high-tech mindset. I was wondering if you could kind of set the table with what you're concerned about. You wrote about this in American Greatness. Sure. There has been this tension within the Trump coalition that JD Vance actually talked about during a major technology speech on March 18th. He talked about it being the tension between the techno-optimists and those on the popular right who tend to be inclined to bash big tech and other tech companies. The vice president pointed out that it's important to resolve these differences, that we have to keep in mind that technology is a consistent pattern in America for 200 years has to make people more efficient in

their work and top-lift wages. There are certainly disruptions that can occur in the interim, and those need to be addressed. But right now that tension really went to a much higher level earlier this month. The U.S. Senate was considering a measure that would put a 10-year moratorium on state regulations about artificial intelligence. The Bannon faction of the party was very strong in opposing that, and people, the tech-oriented folks, those more like the Elon Musk and the supporters of innovation from Silicon Valley and a lot of mid-size tech companies throughout the country were in favor of that moratorium.

The simple reality is every dollar that goes into that is going to result in, that goes into regulatory compliance is going to result in less investment in technology. And the net effect is going to be that states like New York and California, by their AI regulations and the nature of AI being something that once you develop it, you really have to develop it and make it available throughout the country, if not throughout the world, is going to impose a lot of costs and a lot of barriers. There are already a large number of restrictions that are in place on AI. Existing law applies to that. You can't, for example, go out and use AI to commit fraud, because fraud is already

illegal. And one of the things that we have found very disturbing at the Lexington Institute about this is that MAGA states are getting a high amount of the investments in AI, the data centers that are being built, the scientists that are being hired to run this stuff. And frankly, that's that jeopardy if you start to constrain the industry with regulations from New York and California. You've also had some very vicious rhetoric from Steve Bannon in particular who early in the month of June said that

big tech was the most dangerous thing in the country. He's also called people leading tech companies evil, sociopaths, narcissists. This is really a... Do you think that's totally untrue? I'm sorry, I look at Larry Ellison and those guys all standing up with the president and talking about $500 billion. I'm looking at people who essentially, I think just look at us all as not as humans, but more of a market. I'm sort of in between these two extremes. I'm not exactly a techno

negative, but I don't think there's no problem here. And this whole idea that for 10 years, we're going to be upset because nobody can say anything for 10 years. The speed of this development can cause a lot of trouble between now and then over 10 years. Wouldn't you say here Paul, with all due respect? Absolutely, but let me just take a step back and address a couple of things here. You know, you don't have to like Larry Ellison as a person here, but if technology leads to investment and leads to jobs, that's a good thing. And we have right now $320 billion in AI investments in the US that is taking

place from just the three largest companies and a couple hundred billion in addition to that that's going to roll out here. You know one of the things that Congress did on AI legislatively that was very positive is back in the month of may enacted who excuse me the uh... uh... the take it down this is a measure you know which makes it you legal for somebody to put up

uh... actual or simulated pictures of an ex-girlfriend, an ex-boyfriend, and this is just something that there was a loophole in the law. And Congress, to its credit, was able to move on this rather effectively, rather quickly. You know, it's not a case that we shouldn't have any regulation. First of all, we have existing commercial code and existing criminal statutes that apply to AI as they apply to many other things out there.

There are going to be niches like that where we have to identify legislation that has to pass. But what you have with New York and California taking charge here is a lot of micromanaging of what can go into models for development. Yeah, could you give me an example of what that micromanaging might be? I know it might be getting off into the weeds a little bit, but maybe it'll help me understand your point of view a little better. Sure, sure. It can require reporting on what goes into making up the model, for example.

It can require getting permission from certain people to acknowledge that they want to get information. For example, to want to talk to a chat bot who's on the phone trying to solve a customer service situation. It can involve an awful lot of reporting. It can involve requiring companies to use certain types of renewable energy as opposed to or a certain percent of renewable energy as they process their AI, produce their AI. And AI is a very energy-intensive undertaking. So you had a thousand bills that since the first of this year had been introduced in

state legislatures. Many of them were in conflict with one another, by the way. And probably a couple hundred of them, or at least a hundred or two hundred, are going to be enacted and put into place. And it just creates a very onerous, complex situation, which is very good for lawyers, but it ties the hands of US innovation here. We are in competition with China to develop the most efficient AI system. You know, either we or China are going to, are going to dominate the world economically and militarily, depending on what we do with AI technologically here.

And the world's going to be a better place with the u.s. is the one that uh... tried that and developed that and the chinese are not uh... are are not popping with uh... uh... various measures to develop a large so it's important to uh... keep in context here at the reality is you know the uh... steve bannons of the world have not only helped out red and blue states, but they've helped out the Communist Party of China as it goes ahead aggressively developing AI here.

You know, I have so many questions about this, Paul, because the problem that I have is that it's being framed strictly as an economic question. This is an economic and economy dominating kind of question, as if there is nothing more of higher order or value than the economic system involved. I'm already looking here in Oregon that we had 2,500 layoffs in high tech over at Intel. And a lot of this is being based on these kinds of conversations.

Well, yeah, we know we told all you people that were fired out of the factories to go learn to code. And now that you've learned to code, now we're going to fire the coders because we can have artificial intelligence do this. And do you see, I know we're always told that every new technological advance ends up opening up new jobs, but the new jobs that seem to be opening up are being done by AI too. Am I wrong or looking at this incorrectly somehow?

No, no. Bill, you make a number of very important points there. And let me just say, first and and foremost those layoffs that intel are terrible i'm i'm sure the vast majority of those folks are hard-working very skilled very uh... dedicated people uh... public good news and it in this is that there's a lot of demand or people like that out there now they may have to move

uh... they may have to go to a place right even like mississippi where sixteen billion dollars is being invested uh... to develop to a i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i economically. But I would also point out AI is about a lot lot more than economic benefits. It is extremely beneficial and extremely important for medical research. There have been already ways found in which complex medical cases can be more quickly diagnosed and cures undertaken there. The amount of time that it's going to take to get new drugs and new medicines, especially for rare diseases, is going to go down significantly. So yes, there's an economic factor here. A lot of people are going to get rich from AI out there. But you see, most of the people who are going to get rich from AI out there. Yeah, but you see, most of the people who are going to get rich from AI, it's not greater

society, it's going to be those connected like the ones that were standing there in President Trump and of course the investors in said companies. It's not a general societal wealth generator, or could it be? Well, it is a general societal wealth indicator I mean the governor of Mississippi has talked about how for example there are going to be a thousand well-paying jobs above seventy thousand dollars a year in the state there are going to be twenty seven hundred other spin-off jobs that are going to take place in the state this is going to enable more electricity

to be built in the state at a lower price. And in the governor's words, this is a transformational investment in the state. One of the other benefits there is you have two dozen colleges, many of them African-American colleges, we're getting millions of dollars in technical training and other benefits because the workforce needed for technology in Mississippi is going to

be growing. So, you know, I was a little flippant talking about some folks getting rich. This is also very good news for skilled middle class workers, especially in the tech field. You know, things are changing and it's important to be flexible. It's important to keep your skill level up. That's always been the case in the U.S., but it's especially important now and it's especially important in the tech field. And it's an area that if you go into, especially in some areas of America country where there are these big investments like Mississippi, Louisiana, Ohio, Indiana, Nebraska, and Arkansas, you can get a very good job and support a

family on one income, which is pretty rare in America these days. Yeah. Paul, is there any chance that artificial intelligence could work up a way to get us all declared data centers? I've been quipping and joking for a while that if you actually want reliable, inexpensive power, you better not be a regular Joe, but a data center, an AI data center. Could you go to work on that, please? That seems to be a big focus right now. Yeah. You know, I, um, there's a lot of issues on energy that this country has to address.

We basically have not brought, uh, new sources of power online over the last 10 to 15 years. Or if we do bring on new sources it's intermittent and chaotic which is the sustainable greenie weenie stuff that they're doing in Oregon and out here on the West Coast. You say it well my friend. All right. Do you have a second? Could you hang on just a moment here Paul? You have a little more time? Sure. Okay great. Yeah I'll be back. If you have a question for Paul Steidler, he's senior fellow at the Lexican Institute, and we're talking about the

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Very interesting think tank and has written a piece in American Greatness about AI. And Diane, you are here. Hello, Diane. Good to have you on. You have a question for Paul? Go ahead. No, I just wanted to comment on my research for global education forums that took place in California, Kazan, Russia, Brazil, and Singapore, they were all together in bringing about the maps of the future in technology. And their last outcomes on these maps, especially if I look at Silicon Valley, all this was submitted to the World Economic Forum in January of 2016. And on their map, I downloaded their slide presentation. And one of their outcomes from

Silicon Valley is a consideration of brain nano implants as mandatory neuroimplanting. Now, whether they have all that technology developed right now, that is, you know, is no question right now, because what they, what my concern is, these high tech companies, aside from the benefits of the medical with AI, they have other things on the table. And when they start talking about mandatory neuroimplanting, that's a concern for many of us. Also, billions of dollars went, MIT, Cisco Systems, Silicon Valley, they put billions of dollars to develop a major institute right

outside Moscow. It's called Skolkovo, S-K-O-L-B-O-K, I think, and it's the Skolkovo Institute. You can't miss it. It's bigger than the Pentagon. You can get 31,000 people in there doing their lab work. Yes. Do you have a question or kind of a point you wanted to make with him and have him respond to it? Yes. I would like to ask him if you want to emphasize all the benefits of AI, I think it's a two-pronged question, a two-pronged presentation you should be giving. The benefits and the disadvantages and those

things we should be very disturbed about. Thank you. All right. Diana, I appreciate the call. Done a lot of research over the years she has on this, Paul. Any response to what she had to say on that? Sure. Sure. I actually agree with her. I think mandatory neuro implants are a terrible idea. It's something very at odds with freedom. It's something very at odds with this administration. And one thing I would point out, the United States is very important, is very fortunate to have President Trump and Vice President jd banter in office now

because the approach that they have taken that they are is that the u.s. is going to be in this field and is going to dominate in this field and we do not want a world where the world economic forum and others from russia and brazil howlis how to develop a i don't have to use it and i i can't compete but any sit way in which the president and the vice president

uh... would welcome an idea like that uh... it's good to know that it's out there if uh... disturbing to know that it's out there in a world of the communist chinese dominating an a i i would think that they are more likely to seize upon that and implement that. But I think that just underscores the fact that we need to have a strong sector driven by traditional, fundamental American values in development here and to regulate it when

necessary. But I can't see that concern taking hold in the United States anytime soon. Still, it's good to know about it and good to be on watch for it. Okay, I appreciate that. And let me talk with Steve in Sunny Valley. You had a question here for Paul Steidler, senior fellow at the Lexington Institute. Yeah, I have one observation and then a question. When I was in Mechanic for American Airlines in Tulsa, there were 12,000 mechanics and in front of the base there was a very nice mound of grass with three electrified barbed wire fences around it that went up, you know, 16 feet high. And underneath that mound, there was the server farm for the scheduling for flights and ticket sales. And there were 12,000 mechanics and about 10 people

who worked in that fortified server farm. And the other one is, when I got out of college, my roommate was a computer engineer and this was 1986 and at that time all of the programming jobs were going to India because Mumbai was graduating more out of that one university than all of America combined and they worked cheap and it's never changed. So America is way behind and we don't have the money or the resources to fix it because we're not willing to work for cheap.

And then what do you do about the fact that IA has no wisdom? You ask it to make a picture of salmon in a stream and the salmon are all for sale. Okay. Let me see what he has to say about that. Thanks for the call. Well, again, the jobs that are being generated in Mississippi are Mississippi jobs. The jobs that are being generated in the MAGA states are American jobs. And one thing about data centers is they are something that inherently cannot be outsourced. You need data centers to be close to where the customers

are, the companies are, the individuals are that want to get the data produced. These are big facilities. They're going to require continuous operation. And once they're in, they're going to require continuous operation. And once they're in, they're in, and they're going to become part of an established infrastructure here. That's also very good for other companies, be they insurance companies, banks, or whatnot that are nearby, because they know they can operate efficiently, they can operate much more efficiently if the

data that they have is being is being crunched at a closer location here. Yeah, it's kind of like the high-frequency trading in Wall Street, same sort of situation. You want the computers by where the customers, where the action is, so to speak. Okay. I really appreciate that, Paul. And I'm going to link to your American, what is it? American greatness? American greatness. Yeah, American greatness. Thank you so much for having joined us. It's a different take on this because, like I said, I've heard it from all sides on this one, and I wanted to get your side on the critiques of this of this schism Which has been going on here right now, and I appreciate you having joined us from the Lexington Institute

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