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Episode Date: July 15, 2025

A talk with George Sexton, Conservation Director from KS WIld, The Big Beautiful Bill, its effect on our local fed land agencies, timber, environmental policy and what he thinks should best be done. Open phones, Open for Business with No Wires Now, too.

The Bill Myers Show podcast is sponsored by Clouser Drilling. They've been leading the way in southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Clouser Drilling dot com. Fourteen after eight, George Sexton. He is K.S. Wells Conservation Director. It's been a while since we talked, George. Plenty going on in the woods these days, or at least there there could be plenty

going on. Welcome to the show, sir. Thanks for having me, Bill. How are you this morning? I'm doing fine. And what about you here? I know that you're kind of looking at what's been going on with the new administration and kind of thinking that things might be changing a little bit. Why don't you give me your lay of the land?

No pun intended when it comes to forest policy and such, huh? I'll do my best. Okay. I'm a little worried about the direction of our federal land management agencies, the Forest Service, the Bureau of Land Management, and the Park Service. For folks who have been out to the Applegate Valley recently, it's impossible not to notice the massive die-off going on of low elevation Douglas fir.

And it's distressing, you know, both ecologically and from a fire management standpoint. And so we're kind of this inflection point, I think, where either as a country we're going to invest in our forests and in restoration and in having the infrastructure necessary to manage and protect those lands or we're going to walk away. And when I look at what's contained in the BBB, it looks like a walk-away strategy. So to use that Applegate example, many of those smaller diameter Douglas fir trees out there would not be on that landscape if we hadn't done a hundred years of fire exclusion. You know, they would have been oak woodlands. Instead, we've tried to jam in conifer plantations and then there was also conifer

establishment due to the lack of fire. Now those chickens are coming home to roost and we're having massive die-off of conifers that are in locations where they just can't survive into the future. Okay, so am I hearing you correctly, George, when the conifer trees aren't doing well here? And I guess arguably you're right about that. This is a Mediterranean climate overall. Agreed? That's kind of how we're looking here. Are you then saying then that we are more of a hardwoods kind of climate or more? You know as an example you wanted to you can grow all the madrone you want

Apparently, right. Well, you look at some of the the open lands around here Yeah elevation and rainfall are the two factors that are really Determinative here. And so if you don't have much rainfall and you're below 3,500 feet, those Douglas firs are going to struggle. But the oaks are probably going to do just fine. As a society, we've got this decision to make of, hey, we've established these annual sustainable yield of, hey, we've established these annual sustainable yield calculations for like BLM timber production, right? You've got the Association of ONC Counties. They have a financial interest in trying to do conifer rotation forestry. But you've got a landscape, at

least in the lower elevation and drought induced areas that doesn't seem like it's going to sustain that type of forestry moving forward. Okay let me say if I were to concede your point there just for sake of argument here and move along then, would you be okay with you as conservation director at KSWIL, would you be okay, as an example, with helicopter logging all of those areas down there and getting some of these weak, deep, dead and dying conifers out of there at this point or not? You know, I think we've seen that implemented with some success in the Ashland Forest Resiliency Project. And so to my eyes, the Ashland watershed looks more resilient at this point

than many places in the Applegate. And part of that is because the Forest Service is allowing those stands to shift towards more hardwoods. And so you still have a forest, right? But the lower elevation Douglas firs are going to the mill. The Bureau of Land Management has a much more difficult time getting to that reality. Their timber pressure is such that they see their mandate is come hell or high water, we have to grow conifers here even if the site won't sustain it.

Does the market have an opening for hardwood timber in your view? No. It doesn't? If you want to send something to the mill, it's usually got to be a conifer. Okay. Why is that? Maybe I'm the wrong person to be asking for something like that. Why is this? It would seem to me that there would be no use for hardwoods, but I don't know much about this kind of stuff, George. So excuse me.

Well, hardwoods are great for firewood, you know, and they're great, you know, and you can make specialty products out of them. But if you want dimension lumber, you know, you're really looking at conifers. OK, here is the way I'm kind of seeing the land, but going back to the helicopter logging, would you be okay with that if they were to do that with the dead and dry, the dead and dying and the weak, and the weak trees there? Would you be good with that? Well, like I said, I think the Forest Service has done a good job with that at Ashland Forest Resiliency, so I have seen it done

successfully. Okay. Now with invasive plants that are also, which I'd say like the brush, because really the problem that we're having down here, would you agree with me that when it comes to wildfire, what we talk about as wildfire is not generally speaking as much timber fire like a forest fire as much as it is brush and an invasive plant material that has you know grown up in a lot of these open areas. Is that a fair assessment of what afflicts us most of the time down here? Well, it was certainly true that they all made a fire. That was not a fire that was

carried predominantly by trees. The Himalayan blackberry didn't help. And then, you know, towns of Talent and Phoenix lost half their housing. Remember, well, but still, even when we talk about most of our wildfires, it's not usually the forest fires that we're talking about down here, correct? You know, I wouldn't say that so broadly. We just had, what, a thousand lightning strikes and there were plenty of fires in the forest and you know ODF jumped on them pretty quickly and most of them were put out. Now is that you know going to compound the

problem by continuing to exclude fire from these forests? Maybe, you know, but also you know the middle of summer and do you want a fire burning for the next three months? Probably not. Yep, I would hope not. And that kind of brings me up to the 1995 wildland forest policy manual. I don't know if that's the exact name of the manual, but that's where they let it burn where we would, you know, we have a natural ignition and then we let it burn for land management purposes. Has that been successful in your view? And I

think about this as we just read about the Grand Canyon Lodge having been taken down because they didn't fight the fire out there. What is your opinion on that, KS Wild? Yeah, the more that we keep trying to exclude fire from the forest and the landscape, the more intense the fires are going to be when they do come. And so at some point we've got to learn to live with fire. And I think that that means bringing fire in on our own terms, prescribed fire, and that costs money to do. And so when I'm looking at the BBB, section 10201 cuts all the funding from the forest restoration wildfire risk reduction projects. That's suicidal.

And it's going to have massive implications for our region. All right. So you're not a fan of that so far from what you've read. However, it is clear the administration, the Trump administration, wants to get a higher level of harvest. And would you agree that when you're looking at a federal government that is borrowing a buck out of every three that it spends, and we're at $37-38 trillion. I mean, once you're talking about millions, I think most of us don't even have a concept, but, you know, trillions. It's like it's way beyond I think our human concept. Could you understand why administration would say, hey, we got to be doing something to try to make these lands a little bit more productive and not be a burden on the people? Or do you see this differently through a different set of

lenses I guess? Well we're certainly going to have higher timber targets moving forward. Yes. You know that's that's baked into the pie. I think we both agree with that one and you know but do where do you think it would be best served then if you were to go out there from your conservation directors viewpoint? Where would be better places to go that could actually pay for itself because I think the idea the problem with the Loma Katsis and the various other collaboratives is that it's essentially you know, you're Well burning and building the taxpayer and it's unfortunately an unsustainable economic model and everything has to pencil George.

I know it's a tough one but it's reality. I hear you. When I take a flight in between Medford and Portland and look down on the landscape, irrespective of the ownership pattern, when you just look down, Oregon, Western Oregon is defined by a patchwork of clear cuts as far as the eye can see. It's a notion of clear cuts, right? And so this idea that, you know, we're one clear cut away from fiscal solvency seems to me to be a little far-fetched. What we haven't done is to invest in fixing the problems that we've caused. And that means small diameter thinning. So if you want to reduce fire hazard, you have to go

after the small fuels like you were talking about earlier. And how do you make that pencil financially? Do you know in your experience? It's tough. I'm not going to say that I have like some panacea for you, you know. There was hope biomass would help with that, you know. There are many of the mills have retooled to be able to accept small and mid diameter conifers, both the Boise Mill and the Murphy Mill here in Jackson County don't need the largest logs. And they don't even have to scale the Douglas fir anymore. They can scale the white fir. And so, there is a market, right? But the margins are tough. I'm not going to sugarcoat that for you. But do we want to be able to have house insurance? Do we want to be able to live in these valleys without fear of our communities

going up in smoke? It might take a little bit of an investment as well as a profit margin. Yeah, the investment side is probably going to be hard to come from right now. Speaking with George Sexton, George Sexton once again, conservation director at KS Wild. You know, George, I'm going to kind of bring this back here, and I don't know if you've ever talked with Bill Simpson. You ever talk to Bill Simpson down there in Northern California? Yeah, the horse guy.

Yeah, the horse guy, yeah. I talk with him, you know, quite frequently and of course, his deal is always about, hey, we're gonna get horses on the landscape, chew down the brush here. And in some places that could be perfectly appropriate. I'll be perfectly fine with this. But he does bring up an issue that a lot of our fire problem, especially in the open areas where there aren't trees right now, is with grass and brush. And would you as a chaos wild have any problem with perhaps more selective herbicides near

the hardwoods in some of those areas? Like a Polaris is how it's been described to me, something which is non-pervasive or non, you know, it'll go away after a week or two and it's no longer there. But taking down the brush issue because that seems to be one of our major issues with a lot of our wildland fire problem. And I don't know if KS Wild and you would have an opinion on something like that as long as you kept the Polaris away from the streams and things like that. Any thoughts on that?

Yeah, there is a better time-tested, cheaper way of accomplishing that outcome. How's that? That is the utilization of prescribed fire. And the indigenous tribes of this region did that for 10,000 years. So in the fall, when the time is right, they would do a low intensity fire and that would take care of the exact issue that you're talking about. It costs almost nothing. But wouldn't you have to do that every year because every year

it comes back and the grass is back, isn't it? Yeah, you do have to do it every year, but it's the cost of, you know, flicking a lighter. It's like the same way you have to fertilize your garden every year. It's part of land management. Is there enough clean air to do that with the millions of acres they would probably need such treatments around here in Oregon? I know we're talking in broad strokes right now. Please understand. Right. Air quality in the Rogue Valley is a problem. We get these inversions. In my

opinion, it's better to do prescribed fire in the fall or the spring when we're going to have less inversions than to do it than to have standard place in wildfire in the middle of summer where that smoke's gonna stick around all summer. So, you know, pick your poison. Yeah, well, County Commission doesn't permit the, you know, the prescribed fires in the summertime anyway, because of the, you know, the air quality issues here.

I understand that. I'm just saying maybe we would have less smoke in the summers if we were doing more prescribed fires in the shoulder seasons. Okay. All right. Now, doesn't...but you're saying that that's not a costly way of going about it? Prescribed fire?

Yeah. It is the way that we implement it currently. We've got to make it easier and more efficient, you know? But if you go down to how it's done on the Yurok reservation, or you talk to the Karukas practitioners who've been doing this forever, they know what they're doing and they know how to do it very efficiently and cheaply. All right, well, because... So you wouldn't be in any favor of any kind of what they would term, I think the term is hack and squirt, of any kind of what they would term I think it's a term is hack and squirt you know that sort of thing where you you know you take down you know the the

brush and then and then squirt the Polaris or some other non-persistent herbicide there not not in favor of those kind of things only prescribed fire? Hack and squirt is not gonna solve our fuel. But prescribed fire can. Okay, at scale? Really? Definitely. Because, well, how many years they've been working the Ashland watershed? I don't know. I'm just kind of wondering about the at scale thing. If there's enough money and or ability and enough time to be able to just burn everything they would need burned especially on a yearly basis George you understand why I'm maybe a little questioning on that? Yeah for sure. But we have a track record. It was done successfully for 10,000 years and now we

just lost the ability as a culture to do that. Yeah, I don't think so. I think we can do it. Yeah, and of course they were going after a low-intensity kind of small-scale thing. We weren't talking about forests which are incredibly overgrown, which we are dealing with right now. You agree with me on that much? Yeah, and again, that is the result of fire exclusion. The forest would not be overgrown if we had allowed the fire regimes to continue in a natural way. So it could not... I mean, you really couldn't do prescribed burn on an overgrown forest.

You would have to do some form of harvesting at first, would you not? It depends on the site. There are many sites where, yes, it would benefit from a fuels reduction project before you did the prescribed fire, and then there are many sites where you can do the prescribed fire without first doing a fuels reduction. A lot of it depends on what is the species and age composition of the stand that you're looking at. In the Applegate right now, there are too many small diameter trees and they are dying

in those sites. If you go higher elevation up in the Cascades, it doesn't look like that. It's a different situation. When you go up, because you were talking about elevation, I'm thinking of like Forest Road 20 area, you know, one of those areas, you drive past Ski Ashland and you go up in those areas. That's about 5,000 foot elevation. Are the forests healthier up in that neighborhood as contrasted with down in the valley below? They are, but they're changing as well with the

warming climate. And so, a lot of both flora and fauna are changing the elevation at which they exist. And so the tree species are kind of moving up the hill, you know, going for the cooler temperatures. So you can see that almost in real time. But if you go up, you know, I was just up 20 this weekend getting out of the heat and there's Shasta Redford stands up there, you know, quite healthy and looking good, doing their thing. But bottom line down in the valley you're thinking it's more of a hardwood valley. Yeah, we've got to get back to the oaks. That's if we want to have, you know, a sustainable and healthy

system in which we're within. Did we have a history of that prior to the conifer reforesting kind of deal or not? Indeed we do. We do? Okay. Yeah. George Sexton here with me. Ultimately then, your concern though, because you're saying that exactly what you want to do, prescribed fire, has been gutted in this Trump administration. Is

that the takeaway that you're having here? That's one of the takeaways. Yeah, Park Service has been gutted too. And so, you know, we're just talking about what can be the federal land's economic engines for our area. And if you're looking at it like per acre, what brings in the most dollars? Far and away it's Crater Lake National Park. And you know, to gut the funding for Crater Lake National Park is to direct attack on the economy of Southwest Oregon. Yeah, but that's kind of a one-off. We have a lot of forest around us that probably doesn't have that same kind of attraction, agreed or not?

Yeah, I mean a lot of people love to go recreate at Diamond Lake. You know, the Rogue River attracts people from all over the country and all over the world. Oregon Caves is a pretty good stop and off spot. So I think we have a lot of crown jewels, a lot of things to be proud of with our public lands around here. Okay, I'm fine. Now the thing is though, you have an essence though, George, and this is kind of a philosophical question, okay? In essence, Chaos Wild won, right, back in the day. I think you would probably agree with me when you think about it, because wide-scale timber harvesting has not been happening on our landscape for a long time, all right? And now, instead of any kind of large-scale harvesting, because you're saying that's

bad, now we're going to be doing, you think that ideally we're in large-scale burning on a yearly basis. Have I characterized this correctly? I would describe it differently. I think that there's two things going on with the federal logging program in Southwest Oregon. One is that the Rogue River Siskiyou National Forest has largely shifted their timber sale program so that it's about fuels reduction. Now that doesn't mean that they aren't commercial timber sales. Like I said, Boise and Murphy are pretty well-tooled to deal with small to medium-sized commercial conifers. And so when the Rogue River Siskiyou National Forest proposes a timber sale, it's designed

to accomplish three or four things. You know, it's supposed to produce timber, it's supposed to reduce fuels, it's supposed to make it easier to do fire suppression. And so, they have a... They're trying to do more than one thing. The Bureau of Land Management, they're still focused in on the only thing that matters is the timber production. And so oftentimes the Bureau of Land Management timber sale prescriptions will increase rather than decrease fire hazard because they're removing those large diameter trees that are more fire resilient

rather than going in and addressing all the smaller diameter trees that have come in since fire exclusion. So I kind of see that there's two paths out there and I think that the ROCESQ has been far more effective than the Medford BLM at developing timber sales that accomplish more than one objective. And because they're doing it that way, it's subject to a lot less controversy. If you are living next to a Bureau of Land Management stand and they want to take out the old growth and replace it with a second growth conifer plantation that's going to be less fire resilient, you probably aren't as thrilled about that as a neighbor.

So you might do what you can to try and oppose that timber sale, but if you're living next to the forest service and they're saying, we want to produce fuels next to your land and we want to make the forest that's adjacent to your house more fire resilient, you're probably in favor of that. So I think that the Forest Service has pointed us towards a better model than what's going on with the BLM. And the BLM, all right. George, here's the thing though, when I look at the Applegate, I just look at a huge, huge, massive threat to public safety, or at least potential threat to public safety. You think it gets true? And I think we're past the point of being able to do a little bit of prescribed fire out there or a lot of prescribed fire. Or am I wrong?

Yeah. Yeah. I'm pretty worried about what's going on in the Applegate. Okay. And areas like Merlin, let's say, you know, in the Merlin area, same kind of thing, a lot of grow-up, a lot of fuels load over the years. Yeah, and I'm trying not to just let your take over for me, but in trying to offer maybe a solution or some hope, I think that those areas could sustain oak woodlands for the foreseeable future. And so if we as a society are willing to say, okay, we're going to get out of the conifer farming business and the apple gate, and we're going to get into the oak promotion business, those folks living out there are going to be a lot safer.

All right. George Sexton, I appreciate your willingness to come on here and talk about it. I don't, you know, it's a lot that we probably don't agree on here, but I appreciate being a good sport about this anyway. How do you believe, I'm asking you for it because nothing will happen unless it could be paid for and I think the ability to write hot checks out of the Treasury as you have just noted here is very quickly coming to an end. All right. So how would you maybe come up with a solution here that will probably keep nobody perfectly happy but accomplish

more of that? Have you given any thought to that? Sure. You're not going to be totally happy, timber is not going to be totally happy, recreation not totally happy, but you know maybe we can actually pay for it. How would you see that? Okay, if I get to be king for a day, Bill, here's how it's going to look. Which is, um, in the Cascade Mountains and in the Cascade Foothills, we would focus on commercial small diameter thinning with a focus on white fur that have encroached into other conifer stands. And the majority of those trees would go to Murphy and Boise. Um, as, and then we would follow that up

and prescribe the fire. In the Applegate, we would focus on the conversion of the small diameter conifer stands that have developed since fire exclusion. We would try and convert those into oak woodlands for the safety of the communities. One of those things would probably pay for themselves, the other probably wouldn't. So do you think it's worthy to invest in the safety of our neighbors? I do. I'm willing to pay for some prescribed fire if it keeps people's homes from burning down. Yeah, I'm just concerned that the level, the scale of prescribed fire that would be needed

yearly because it doesn't go away permanently, as we well know. This kind of takes me back then to what Bill has been about. Bill Simpson was all about restoring herbivores, saying that we don't have enough nations of the natural lawnmowers on the landscapes out there. What can we do about that, do you think, from a conservationist viewpoint? Right. I was trying to suggest that I think that the Karuk tribe and the Yurok tribe have some lessons for us there. You know, the Tequilma folks were on this landscape for millennia before we got here, and they seemed to do pretty well on land management, and they did it primarily through prescribed fire, and I don't think it cost them a dime. So that

would be my place to look. All right. George, I appreciate you coming on. I'm short on time at this point. I'd like to have you back for another, for a longer talk and maybe take some calls if that'd be all right. Would you be open to that in the future? Yeah, I think it's good for you to hear from Gang Green. I appreciate the tone with which you have these conversations, Bill. You could try and divide people and demonize folks, and you aren't doing that. So hats off, man. Well, you're very passionate about your point of view. I'm not your total point of view. Okay? I just wanted to say that. I didn't tell you... You know the theme I wanted to bring on

when I was going to bring you on here at first I was going to use a different musical thing. You want to hear what it is? Please I was going to do this and just say George I'm having fun, you know, I would say George Sexton KS wild I'm gonna hold you to that. I definitely want the Death Star music. Okay, you got the Death Star music next time. George, thanks for the call. Okay, appreciate the talk. Have a good one. You too now. State 42.

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fire and various others. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Welcome. Hello. Oh, this is old Jason. But anyway, grease the trash, get it back. Give it back to the Indians and the loggers.

I know guys that still have old bulldozers and they're still setting up and they're little small guys that can still operate but they know exactly what they're doing. So let them in there and let them figure out what's going on. All right Jay, that's one opinion. I appreciate that. Let me grab, like I said, a little short on time this time around here. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Welcome. Oh, yeah. Hi, Bill. I wanted to raise, I would have liked to ask him about the prices on this. I'm familiar with a book called, about disaster economics, that's called The shock doctrine. It talks about selling low while the... If you have a big disaster, then all of the assets get sold for cheap in order to recoup

losses immediately. When you start looking at logging, say for example, there are massive wildfires and you've got to rebuild whole towns, then you would think that the price of lumber would be high, but if America sells its timber rights low, then America gets cheated while lumber prices go high. So I was wondering about that calculation. Yeah, I know one of the concerns about this has been the talk that the timber contracts, and I'm just spitballing, I'm spitballing, I think this is David, right? Bay Area, from whatever call. Yeah. I believe they're concerned that some of these contracts are very long-term

and would not...and maybe lead to what you're talking about right there, that there's no guarantee on when supply might be available to keep prices more reasonable. It's a very good point. I don't have an answer for that right now. Maybe next time we will. Okay? Well, it's not so much that the prices are reasonable. It's that America gets sold out cheap. Okay. Well, maybe he can address that. I appreciate the call there, David. Let me grab another quick one here. Hi, this is Bill. Who's this? Hey Bill, Swalwell Salmon. Hey Steve. Okay, this guy is missing out on one point. Okay. All of this stuff that took place with KS Wild and I remember Andy Kerr and Julie Norman and all that, the money shifted from the area to the

American Bar Association. So his perspective is how do we maintain enough agriculture or timber sales that we can sue for? So I think the guy has a perspective that's completely different from the rest of us. And it is true that this area is designated as Oak Savannah, and that was the way it was back when the Native Americans were here. But the old growth timber was so tall, there was no brush, so it didn't burn except for white fir, duck fir, and lodgepole pine are fire dependent species. So as they progress in age, the

stand will grow up until it dies of natural causes or whatever happens and then it starts over again. But it takes fire to make that happen, but it burns up the old growth to the natural process. Yeah, all right. All right, I'm short on time here, but I wanted to make sure and get a quick one in there. And maybe we'll have to continue this conversation tomorrow, Steve, and I'll grab one more call and then we'll have to wrap it up on this. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Good morning, Bill.

I'd like to reinforce George's assessment about the difference between Forest Service and BLM. And a perfect example of that is as you drive up towards Crater Lake and you pass Prospect and you go and you cross the Forest Service line, all of that area is gorgeous as far as how they managed it. Seems to be pretty well done, right? Pretty well done there. Very well done. Very well done. And there's no way a catastrophic fire will ever go into those areas that have been cleared out Dave the Forest Service has figured out a way BLM has not

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Come say hi. Thank you. Stay cool at the fair. I'm going to be there for the talent show on Friday. I'll make sure to drop by. That's so cool. And they have a Mariachi Outlaw Tonight concert for free. I saw some videos of them and it's awesome. That starts at seven. How can you not be happy with Mariachi, right?

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