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Episode Date: July 16, 2025

D62 Quiz, Mr. X responds to the Tuesday talk with George Sexton of KS Wild, some open phones, Fun Kansas ticket giveaway too.

The Bill Myer Show podcast is sponsored by Clouser Drilling. They've been leading the way in southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at ClouserDrilling.com. I'm so far behind on my show schedule this morning. I apologize for that, but Christian Briggs, that was just too important, talking about what they're going to do with the money, with the Genius Act today. Minor Dave, hello, Dave. What are you thinking, huh? I'm thinking that if we got the gold

that the United States says we have, you know, about eight tons, but if they evaluated it from $41 that they currently evaluate the reserves at, now I know they're not backing it with gold, but if they listed as an asset their $41 out well if they revaluated it's a current value it'd be we wouldn't have any debt. Well let's see how many ounces...

How many ounces in how many ounces though in 8 tons, roughly speaking? A pound is a pound, so there's 12 ounces to a pound of gold, but a pound is a pound. So if you figure it up by the 12 ounces, it's 30,000 pounds. Okay, now what is an ounce of gold? Now I thought 16 ounces to a pound. Am I wrong about that? No, not for gold. Gold is figured on 12 ounces to a pound. Oh, all right. I'll have to look that up. That still could be an interesting,

interesting little bit of financial slight on hand, all right? Hey, Dave, I appreciate the call, all right? Town Hall News will be coming up here in just a moment. Let's have a palate cleanser after that serious money talk. We're going to have a Diner 62 Real American Quiz after the town hall news finishes up. Okay? 7705633. Oh boy, I had that ham special last week from Diner 62 and it was just absolutely amazing. And that's still on special right now for 1115 through Monday through Friday, 6 to 9 in the morning, and all of your favorite breakfast and lunch. It's like diner food elevated as far as I'm concerned, all right?

And we're going to be talking today about the Ford Motor Company back in the very first days, the very first work, 7705633, 770KMED. After town hall news, you could win it. Your smile is the key to your health and confidence. Power to the people by Patriots. And boy, 6,500 watt generator that Generac from Patriot, that would be nice. That would take care of all of that, well, that intermittent chaotic power issue that the state of Oregon is doing with its sustainable development deal.

All right. At least they help you for a while. Okay, Diner 62 quiz. Let's have a little bit of fun now. Diner 62, of course, a wonderful fun deal here with Mike. Mike, you are first up this morning. How are you doing? Good morning. How are you? I'm great. Hey, Mike, it was July 15th. Yesterday in history, 1903, the newly formed Ford Motor Company took its first order from Chicago dentist, Ernest Fenning. It's an $850 two cylinder model A. Had a backseat, the car was produced in Detroit,

delivered to Dr. Fenning just over a week later. Henry Ford built the first gasoline powered vehicle, that was the Quadricycle, Mike, in a workshop behind his home. He was working for the Edison Illuminating Company in Detroit, so he's working for Thomas Edison back then. After a couple of unsuccessful attempts to start a company to build cars before 1903, Ford gathers up 12 stockholders including himself. They signed the papers and Douglas Brinkley writes in Wheels of the World his history of Ford. One of the new company's investors Albert Strehlow owned a

wooden factory building on Mack Avenue that he rented to Ford. In an assembly room measuring 250 by 50 the very first Ford model A went into production. So the question for the win Mike, what was the color of that very first Ford that they built? And it is it's interesting it went to a dentist okay. Was it A beige, B dark green, C Navy, D red, or was it E black? It's one of those five. What do you say? I'm gonna say black. You're gonna say black. know, that's what I picked yesterday. I was wrong. I'm sorry.

Yeah. When, when Brian said, well, what was the first one? It had to be black. Let me go to Jerry. Hello, Jerry. How are you doing? Good. Good morning, Bill.

Thank you. Very first, very first Ford that was built, was it beige, dark green, navy or red? What do you say? I'm going to go with beige. very first Ford that was built, was it beige, dark green, navy, or red? What do you say? Oh, I'm going to go with beige. Going to go with beige. Kind of a nice sober call. They were all sober colors back then, right?

Beige car? Yeah. No. It wasn't beige either. Okay, we're trying. Let me go to Vicki. Hello, Vicki. How are you doing this morning?

Good. All right, so we now have beige and black are out. Dark green, navy, or red. What was the color of the very first Ford ever built? I'm gonna say dark green. You're gonna say dark green. That's another great choice too. Very common. A lot of those cars had it. No, not the first one. All right. So we're going to go to Tom. Tom, you are a 50-50 guy on this one and it's either Navy or red. What was the color of the very first Ford car? I'm a flip a coin. I'd say Navy. You're to say Navy. No, we're going down to the end. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Good morning Bill, it's Jerry. Jerry, red or red? What say you? I'm going to go with that. Red might

be the perfect color today. Yep. You're a winner! And I had no idea because you know you think back to the colors of the car and we all knew that whole thing about remember they say you can get any model to you one as long as it's a black right and we all remember that old saying right right that's what I thought but yeah it was designed primarily by Ford's assistant C. Harold Wills the model A could have two people side by side. It was a big deal, but it was only sold in red by the factory in 1903. But later they repainted it in some other ones. It was quite interesting. Dr. Fenning's order turned out to be the first of many from around the country, and within two months Ford had sold 215 of these, and

by the end of its first year, the plant had turned out 1000 cars. It was a big deal back at that time. Wow. Yeah. So anyway, you hang on. I never knew they had a red car. I never knew that either.

That's why they are such a cool question. Hang on. We're going to send you to diner 62. Take care of business. 824. You hear from Brother Ford and Truckster, I've got 91 new Hob slash Q Hear KMED in Krantz Pass on 1059 K290AF Rogue River In South Jackson County on 1067 K294AS Ashland Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. X I'm burning out today

Burn out tonight And me I'm burning, I'm burning, I'm burning for you That is Mr. X's theme today because this is kind of a conversation continuation that we had from talking with George Sexton, who of course is conservation director at KS Wild. Mr. X, you have been researching these issues about wildfire, the Native American take on 10,000 years ago, everybody burned. And the one thing I will say is talking with George Sexton about timber and harvest and prescribed burn. It appears that he was really, really big on prescribed fire, prescribed fire, burning, burning, burning. And we were just going to have to burn the landscape again and again every year.

And I don't know how that happens. I don't know what that would even look like, really. But could you kind of break down a little bit your response given what you have researched in the past on these issues? Well, Bill, first off, in response to what you just said, what it would look like is our summers around 2018, okay, 2017, 2018, and then we started fighting back. And the reality is this idea of putting more fire on the landscape, and that's our only solution

because for millennia, the Native Americans burnt it. Well, let me ask you one question. How did the Native Americans burnt it. Well, let me ask you one question. How did the Native Americans survive it? How did they live in this valley with everything burnt to a crisp? And why would people settle here if it was all burnt to a crisp? Some of these things are basically ludicrous. Their whole foundation is basically part of a manipulation of information on this thing. Now, the way that I have told it, maybe you could confirm or just say that I'm full of it Ed, and you're willing to do that. I appreciate that. But did not the Native Americans do some burning on the landscape, but generally speaking to

open up the canopy? Didn't they do this because this is how you would end up getting your deer and your elk and your food source running around? Well, okay. Here is the actual historical information that I found, you know, with countless hours of research, Phil. In the, around the 1859 era when Oregon was becoming a state, there was a photographer that came out here from the east. And he ended up in the Willamette Valley first, and he made note that the tribes up there

in the wet season burnt the trails that they used to get out into the areas to go on hunting expeditions and things. That's the one documentation that is historically accurate. That's it. You know, in everything that I could find that was it. So where did we get to this point where the Native Americans just burnt the forest all the time down here in Southern Oregon. Where'd that come from? In my mind, it's just a magnification of that particular concept. And it's a justification for them. You know, this whole thing, you've got to come to an understanding of what it means and what it is. First off, the term restoration.

Ed? Yes? Sorry, I lost you there for just a moment. Try it again. The term restoration. Go ahead. The term restoration is defined, okay, and restoration means to them, and in their definition, is restoring the landscape to pre-white settlement conditions. That's everywhere in every aspect of what I've found for years on how they view this. Because you have to ask yourself the logical question. When they mention restoration, well, what are you restoring it to? If your house burns down and you rebuild it, what are you restoring it to? So you look at this and you say, well, if they want to burn the landscape, what did they want to restore it to? Well, the answer

to that is pretty much settlement conditions. Now, none of them know what that is. None of them have any idea what it is. But yet that is the policy coming from the Green aficionados of burning the landscape then, in your opinion. That's right. Okay. But it's a justification. But you have to understand the commingling of all of these things that happened since

the 1995 wildfire management strategy. This is when the environmental community first got in there. That has to do with the Northwest Forest Plan, all of these things. Now we've given them how many years since 1995? And what have they come up with? Have their programs been successful? Have all of the money that has been spent and all of the money that they have removed

from the taxpayer been productive? That's what you have to ask yourself. And now the second thing you've got to ask yourself is can we exist with their philosophies? And that's kind of what I'm wondering too when Mr. Sexton was talking about, and I did bring up to him, I said, well, you know, with burning the landscape, you would have to burn it every year because it would come back every year, the grass, right? I think it was a reasonable question, you know, to pose. And he said, well, yeah,

that was kind of ultimately, it seemed what their plan about fire on the landscape would naturally entail, wouldn't it? Well, that's the thing. That's what you have to look at. You have to look at it as a very, as an individual freedom type. I chose to live here. I chose to live here. You chose to live here. And you and I have had this discussion many times. This is our home and we're going to make a stand. We're going to fight the people that want to destroy our home. And you go back to all of the understanding. I sent you an email earlier and you go into some of the understanding, I sent you an email earlier,

and you go into some of the things that we talked about yesterday. Well, some of the things that were talked about was, he's looking at the big, beautiful bill, section 10201. Right, and the rescissions, the rescissions are the cutting back of spending in certain areas. Right, can you read that line in there, Bill,

if you'd have that email? Okay, let's see. I had it up here just a moment ago and you know, a sea of icon here. Hang on just a second, Ed. I thought I had it. And I don't... Do you have it in front of you? It might be a help just to save time. I don't, Bill, because of signal strength. I've got to stand outside here this morning. I'm sorry. Oh, here he is! Here, got it. Got it. Okay. Recission amounts... Recission of amounts for forestry.

The unobligated balances of amounts appropriated for the following provisions of Public Law 117. 169 are rescinded. Paragraphs three and four of section 2300 one and 137. Okay. So in other words, we have all of these rescissions but it doesn't have a dollar amount there, right? Or it doesn't? That's right. It doesn't. But you have to look at what is public law, I think 117 whatever, that's the Biden, that was the Biden Climate Change Budget Reconciliation Act. Okay. Okay. So now what you've got to understand logically is the fraud is being attacked. We are going after the climate change fraud on how it's destroying our country.

Is the prescribed burn agenda also part of that, in your opinion, Ed? That's, in my opinion, it is. And I look at this and the idea that the Native Americans for 10,000 years burnt our land, burnt, you know, burnt their surroundings, burnt everything in sight, is absolutely ludicrous. I think the other aspect of this too is that if they were going to do any burning on the land, it would have to be very careful because they certainly had no firefighting equipment, really, you know, in those days. Well, firsthand, Bill, I have, I told you before, I have several Native American

friends, okay, and long-term friends. And we've had the discussions that Native Americans burned. They burnt grasslands. They burnt this, whatever. You know what they burned it for, Bill? What? They burned it to dry buffalo off cliffs to kill them in mass. Okay.

That, you know, this this is this is the concept. It wasn't a situational thing where they had a 7-Eleven or a convenience store to stop in and buy a lighter. You know, this is not, they didn't have drip torches to conduct prescribed burns for, you know, the area. And they didn't have a firefighting group to keep their villages safe. They had to live here and survive on the resources of the region. So the whole aspect of that prescribed

fire on the land then has been morphed out of myth, in other words. Right, and it's handled hand-in-hand with the climate change thing. All right. Ed did it right. They managed the land. All right. Ed, I appreciate this and I know that we keep hearing about Native America, Native American, and of course that is supposed to shut up the argument, I think is what has been going on with what to see.

What did you think about Georgia's take on trees that would probably be more likely to live in the lower elevations such as the hardwoods? Do you think he was right about that? Well, I was listening to this whole conversation yesterday. I was just taken aback because I remember every timber sale that was announced, every timber sale that was announced, every timber sale that was announced was fought legally. In other words, it was challenged in the court that they had the right to have that.

Oh, okay. Yeah, because George and I were talking about the dangerousness of what was going on in the Applegate, the dead trees and everything else, right? That's what you're alluding to. Exactly. Right. Okay. You have to understand the mechanisms of these groups, right?

There, the, there's many subgroups that are broken out around here. And I don't, I don't even remember last year, one of the early season fires that we had, it wasn't prescribed burn, but they burnt our watershed for our, one of our main sources of pure water, which is the Bute Creek thing Handled cement for thing they burnt 4,000 acres And I look at that and what are you doing? it but now you got to go back and remember this is all done through their involvement in it that's Condoned and brought in through the consensus process, which is dispute resolution. So in other words, to keep the lawsuits at bay, they have...

They would agree the Forest Service or the BLM would agree to go along with the plan. That's right. Okay, all right. Ed, we'll have to have you back and talk about this further here, but I kind of wanted to get a quick take from you. I know it's almost, of course, a quick take of 10 minutes. It would take a little bit more to go into it more thoroughly, but the prescribed fire on the landscape, you don't think, in your opinion, looking at the history, is a distortion of Native American history, for one thing. It's a distortion and it's an attack, Bill. We don't get to live here

without health damage, okay, on every level. Okay, and that's an important takeaway. Ed, I appreciate the take, all right? I really do. I know that you have been involved in the battles here with the environmentalist overreach, you know, is really what you've been fighting a lot in, getting past this consensus process issue. All right? Thank you. That whole thing, Bill, is the thing that has to be fought.

People have to remember these lands are our land. It's not the environmental groups' land. They're our land, the public land, the BLM. The BLM manages land that was already disposed and given back to the federal government. That's what the Bureau of Land Management does. That's why there's a checkerboard pattern. This land was disposed, titled, and given to the railroad people, sold to the railroad people, however you want to look at it.

And then after they didn't develop railroads, it was given or deeded back to the government. Now the government is forbidden by the Constitution to what? To own land. They don't own the land, they manage the land in a public trust. So and this is the thing that people with misinformation, with misunderstanding, we make mistakes of allowing these people, they're an adjunct. In other words, they're an unnecessary presence. And now they're taking that unnecessary presence to say, well, here's the big lie. We're going to intrude ourselves amongst you. We're going to force you to breathe the air quality that we deem is good because we say

it is, and climate change forces us to do it and we have to start dispelling the myth. We have to start, you know, literally fighting it on every level. All right. Mr. X, thank you for the call. Got a roll. But out of time, we'll have you back another time. All right. Thank you. 843-770-5633 if you wanted to respond or maybe weigh in with your own take on it. But this was some response after the George Sexton interview. We had a good talk with him yesterday.

Need a roof that performs and lasts? Stephen Westfall Roofing installs SnapLock Metal Roofing. RedCrossBlood.org to look for local blood drives and get signed up. This hour of the Bill Meyer Show is sponsored by Fontana Roofing. For roofing gutters and sheet metal services, visit FontanaRoofingServices.com. Okay we'll have to do our best to kind of roll through calls here but I'll give as much time as I can. They're going to be giving away some Kansas tickets here just a couple of minutes. I'll tell you more about that but David is on first. Hello David. Hey Bill I'm not Native American but I think if this guy's going to use

Native activities of the past as a data point in his formula, one thing you should understand is everything the Natives did to my country was holistic for the benefit of their people. And the earth and the medicines and the food and the systems were all very holistically understood. These people nowadays seem to have a type of Earth anxiety, right? They use Western thought. So like I said, I'm not sure that they can just take native activities of the past and make them one data point in their formula that is not holistic about what the planet is, what people

are, what humanity is. We really need to have people making decisions that appreciate humanity holistically, and I think they'd be better off to appreciate anything that the natives did. The natives had a lot of wisdom, but they also varied a lot all across this country. Not every native civilization was very advanced, but there were some that were very advanced. You take some of those suggestions, but you have to balance it off with everyone's needs too. It's like we have to be able to live here also.

Right? I mean... Yeah. I mean, if the natives burnt the land to get the food, it was like, okay, food is good for humanity and the earth provides the food and the earth's part of creation. So there's this whole system. So I don't think one person with the Western, what we call information-based thinking, which is a whole other conversation, I don't think that one guy should get to go take this one

data point and put it in his formula, because those people were very deeply, what you call, they were very spiritual and are very spiritual people and are very connected to the earth and use it to feed people. So this guy, you know, that's my take on it. All right. All right. I appreciate that too. Steve's here too. Hi, Steve. Go ahead. Welcome. Hey, see, the deal is you guys have to spend a lot of money to keep me alive because I'm an old-growth human and old growth is like special. So, you know, trees never die. And for saving old growth, then we have to save old growth humans.

I love your sarcasm, but it is a certain point. I guess somehow that trees don't die. They just don't. It's all about money. It is an emotional issue drummed up by the people who want to control us when it's an actual engineering issue where we can figure it out if we try to use logic rather than emotion. All right. Thank you, Steve. Let me go to Gino. Gino, I'm sure you have an interesting take on this. Go ahead.

Yeah. So I want to get to the picture first. It's about 1973, and I'm part of an activist group working in the Lakota Reservation up in Montana. I'm sitting across the table from one of the elders and I'm looking at him, I'm thinking, his face looks like a catcher's mitt that's been left in the sun too long. Sure. And we were talking about the forest. And he said, well, you got the fire in the tree and you got the fire in the grass.

You got to make sure there's not enough grass to make the fire jump up in the tree. And then I said, well, how do you do that? And he said, oh, you just watch. You just watch and you keep looking. And eventually, you know, okay, that's enough fuel, and then you set the grass fire. And it doesn't go up in the tree. That's interesting that, of course, that's on a small scale, you know, generally speaking. No, no, no, no.

This was across the Buffalo Range as well into the trees where they lived. So they had a whole ecological perspective about the flow of water and where they lived on that flow and how you had to make sure that the undergrowth didn't get strong. But in today's society though, you probably could not just go ahead and set that all on fire, right? No, no, no. So imagine you live in a place and you're watching the undergrowth grow and somewhere within a seven-year period, there's enough undergrowth to cause the fire to ladder up into the tree. When you burn it, when it's just enough fuel at the bottom.

And I kept saying, well, grandfather, how do you know when to burn? He goes, you watch, you watch, you know, you watch. All right. Well, I know that the other folks were talking about burning every year. Every year. All of it. Yeah, that has nothing to do with what the Native Americans did. All right. Gino, thank you for the call. I appreciate that greatly. We're going to wrap this all up here in a moment. Maybe go back and revisit it here

just a little bit. Maybe more on conspiracy theory Thursday for sure. I want to take your calls right now at 7705633 because I would like to get you in to see Classic Rock Legend Kansas. That's going to be tomorrow night, 7 o'clock. These are silver reserve seats. So we get a pair of reserve seats. All you have to do is know your Kansas. I'm going to play a little bit of a Kansas song. You have to complete the lyric. So if you were, you know, just out there singing along to the radio, you ought to be able to do this. Okay? 770-5633-770-KMED. We'll do it next. You're worried because your home has been on market with no success. An expired listing can be frustrating, but it's

experts a call. Visit clauserdrilling.com. All right, we're going to have some fun. See if somebody would like to go to Kansas tomorrow night, seven o'clock, Jackson County Expo at the Jackson County Fair. Tickets.attheexpo.com. You can get reserved tickets, but I'm giving away a pair right now. And let me bring on Kevin. Hey, Kevin, how are you doing this morning? I'm doing great. How are you? Well, I'm well. Kevin, I have a famous Kansas song and I'm gonna play a little part of the lyric and all you have to do is complete the lyric. Okay? You ready? Okay. Yep. Here we go. On a stormy sea of moving emotions.

Okay, I'll play it one more time. On a stormy sea of moving emotions. What is the next line in that carry on wayward sun? It's not both streaming across the ocean. On a stormy sea of moving emotion is the first part. What's the last part? I know the pressure is intense. I gotta give you... Alright, I'm... You get across the ocean is all I can remember. You are so close. So close, but I need the complete part of it. Let me go to Ken. Hello,

Ken. Let's see if you can do it, alright? What do you say? Hello, Ken? I can't think of it, I can't have it. Okay, I get it. I understand. Hi, who's this? Good morning. Tom. Tom. What's the next part? Oh, it's right on the tip of my tongue, but I just can't come up with it. Oh darn. All right, let me go to the next one. Hi, good morning. Who's this? come up with it. Oh darn! All right, let me go to the next one. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Hello? Hi Bill. Hi, who's this? This is CW. All right, CW. I'm going to play it one more time here.

What's the next part of the line? Tossed about like a ship on the ocean close enough Yeah, it's had a course for winds of fortune and hey you're fortunate this time and you're headed to Kansas tomorrow night hang on All right, a lot of fun All right, you're welcome one Kansas tomorrow night. Hang on, all right? A lot of fun. Dead cashing, thank you, sir. All right, you're welcome. One of these guns. Good guy's gun. That was a lot of fun. Knowing you're Kansas,

Charles Anderson winning a pair of tickets for it. And you know, we're gonna give away another pair tomorrow. I'm gonna have another Kansas song, we'll do the same thing. It'll be a different song though, okay? Email Bill at BillMyersShow.com. Mark Lee Van Kamp and Robbins are coming up in about six minutes.