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Episode Date: July 22, 2025

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The Bill Myers Show podcast is sponsored by Clouser Drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at www.clouserdrilling.com. You're waking up with the Bill Myers Show. That's great talk with Chad McComas. It's great to see someone having a positive impact there and looking to grow that senior citizen housing out on Biddle Road. I think that's just wonderful, especially at such a modest cost, which is a big deal.

It really is. Especially when you look at what is going on with the federal government and the state governments, and you realize when you look back at what has been happening here in Oregon, even when you hear, okay, they're gonna lay off so many people at RVTD, and there's problems over with this budget and you realize how much of the Southern Oregon infrastructure, and Oregon state infrastructure

for that matter, whether it's Medicaid, Oregon Health Plan, all the rest of it, has been backfilled by federal government-borrowed money. And it's not sustainable and we're kind of like up against that wall and we're having to find different ways what does it take to actually keep a senior citizen out of the out of the weather and comfortable and and relatively secure because if you're having to build a five or six hundred thousand dollar apartment for every person it's in a situation like that. There's not that kind of wealth available at this point in time. There just isn't.

Fifteen thousand for a, you know, for a clean, comfortable home with, you know, communal kitchen and bathroom, things like that. You can make that pencil. Truly sustainable financially. It has to be sustainable financially too. That's something which has been forgotten in our progressive sustainable development creed. It has to be sustainable financially too. But anyway, I'm just glad that he's doing this. We'll catch up here on some local history and more with Dr. Dennis Powers. That's always fun on Monday where past meets present. Town Hall News is coming up in just a minute here too. We'll catch up. I love this. John ended up...let me see this. John just text messaged me. He says, hey Bill, because I was wondering about this, you know, happy

as a clam. These senior citizens happy as a clam. I said, well, they're happy until they're eating, right? And he says, Bill, the saying about happy as a clam, the whole thing is happy as a clam the whole thing is happy as a clam at high tide where they can't be dug. Thank you John, I appreciate that. I always wonder where that statement, where that old saying came from. Stephen Westfall Roofing is growing now proudly serving Brookings, Gold Beach and the entire southern Oregon coast. They specialize in metal roofing architectural show AF rogue river in South Jackson County on 1067 K 294 AS Ashland grab another cup of coffee and let's talk with dr. Dennis Powers retired professor of business of law every

Monday morning we get a chance to talk with him where past meets present which by the way is the name of his latest book which is still available at hellgatepress.com local publisher doing, and all sorts of other great ones. I like Treasureship, it's still one of my favorite ones you wrote here, Doc. Welcome back. You know, Bill, what's amazing is that in terms of different media interests, you're absolutely right, Mysteries at the Museum A number of others' discovery have come in on that particular one because sunken gold

and so close to the coast and the ghost ship are themes that really stand out. You have chosen, I love the movie, He Chose Wisely. Yeah. Instead of, he chose poorly. And having you poorly. Yeah, come to think of it, that was, okay, that was Raiders of the Lost Ark. No, it wasn't the Raiders of the Lost Ark. It was the third Raiders of the Lost Ark movie in that dated to Jesus. I can still also remember, I think my favorite line of it, because I think of it every time

I watch the Oregon State Legislature at times, and I'm surrounded by moron, the quote from Sean Connery back at the time. But be that as it may, hey, I want to talk about, you're taking us back in history with the formation, well Klamath Junction really, Klamath Junction and the immigrant lake and how this ended up really coming to me. And it's an interesting history here in Southern Oregon, Northern California. And where do you want to take us today on that one, huh? Well you know Bill, you know it really is a subject of interest because I can

remember some years ago when I was just a boy, my parents driving through Klamath Junction and they had the totem poles and Jerry the Bear and all these different things. And it actually went back where Immigrant Lake, a hundred years ago, was created. But that was, as folks read about, it was, Bill, it was a 110-foot concrete arched dam that impounded upper Bear Creek Basin for TID. But then this really gave rise to a lot of growing peaches and pears, houses, two gas stations, the Hills Cafe, a roadhouse, the dance hall, lots of different things. And so when in 1960, my friend, it went ahead to where the Bureau of Reclamation doubled the earthen dam, the whole town of Klamath Junction was buried

underneath water because the fact that it was twice as high and they had to go ahead and remove houses but there's a lot of artifacts quote-unquote that were there and then going back what only to we remember this 2020 and the bad drought which wasn't climate change the lake was only at 3% of its capacity yeah very low I remember. I remember that it was, you know, immigrant muddy, right? Instead of emigrate lake really at that point. I remember how low that was. Yeah, you had mud caked old building foundations scattered tubes pipes Tires because of the garage that was there both washers and all sorts of things. And now it's at 95% capacity. But what struck me, Bill, was the way that just like all of us, where people come and go whether or not they move out of the area and friends of ours, you have villages and

towns that come and go. You had Rock Point outside of Goad Hill that disappeared when the railroad bypassed it, Jacksonville. And there's this constant change that's in the air, and in this case we needed life-giving water because TID has really made a difference and so this is what happens. Now I wanted to ask you as far as Klamath Junction that ended up...was Klamath Junction where the lake is now, or was it up higher or closer to where the dam is now, the TID dam? Where was Klamath Junction specifically? When you go ahead and to give you the best

idea is that the Green Springs Highway...66 sure... then came down into the lake, disappeared, and you can actually go ahead and see where that was coming out. That was where, when you go into the lake, where Calamath Junction was. But then when you had the TID created, you had my friend the highway was rerouted around the man-made lake, which is the way that we do now. Because you know when we go around it, you can see the reservoir from where we are. So there was some substantial changes. All right, and even Highway 66 and much of those areas that we travel around here in southern Oregon, most of that was what the trappers, the fur trappers, the settlers, things like that. That's what ended up making most of those roads

in the first place, or maybe Indian trails a lot of times. It's interesting because for example, Central Point was one where you had two wagon trails that intersected right where Central Point is right now. And you had the wagon trail that was approximately north-south that was going towards Ashland. But then this was a torturous path before I-5 came in because of the Siskiyou path. But even then didn't we have kind of a toll road, a toll road going through a lot of that area? It wasn't necessarily maintained real well, but it was still, hey you're gonna pay if you want to play, right? Yeah, and you're

right because what it was was that it goes back decades to the mid-1800s, where the Hudson Bay Trappers followed these Indian trails over the Siskiyou from California. And then it was really erudite. We have pictures of what that road was like. But then when you're coming in from California, which was a torturous type of road, you had it was maintained as a toll road and then there is this fork in the road that became named Calamath Junction with a little sign and a little arrow. And that's how it all started. And look at it now.

You know, back in those days it was a big deal to travel over the Siskiyous, and now we wind at the Siskiyous Pass, where it gets closed for a few hours because of snow, right? Yeah, that's true. And you know, for example, an example of the changes, let's take Crater Lake. When Peter Britt, all those years ago, took the first image of Crater Lake that really helped to designate it as a national park, it took him a 13-day trip that took him five days in and about four days there and then

coming back. And in there, he had a wagon that was pulled by horses and he had 600 pounds of photography equipment. And now, if we're gonna write this down, there was a diary that we came across on Peter Britt's trip. But now my friend, it's like drove to Crater Lake, nice meal. Had a nice day, a nice day. Came back the same day Had a nice day. Nice day.

Came back the same day. Real pleasant day. Had a time, relaxed with a margarita. That's a bought-in. Yeah. We are spoiled by comparison, no doubt about that. So anyway, I'll put that up here today, which is the Climate Junction and Immigrant Lake, the connection in there by Dr. Dennis Powers.

Doc, there's plenty going on in the news, and we need to talk about Tulsi Gabbard in the in the treasonous expose from over the weekend and where that point might be going, okay? We'll talk about that and more coming up on the Bill Meyers show. Whether you've had your car for a few months or maybe you're hearing the Bill Meyers show on 106.3 KMED, Now Bill wants to hear from you. Well, maybe hold those calls off for just a little bit, but I will. I will before the end of the hour there for sure.

I was just checking price of gold, which has popped almost 2% this morning, 3,400. I don't know if the system is saying they're looking at more inflation courtesy of if it's I don't know Doc what are you thinking tariffs is it is it tariff activity or trade activity or do we even know right now or is it just because now we're still looking at a 37 38 trillion dollar national debt I don't know what do you think huh oh well you know we have the far left Democrats, spelled with a K, that have been colluding

again with their fish wrapper media, which is so true. I mean, whether it's the Times or even a modified Washington Post, you have all this disinformation that comes out. Well, I don't think the price of gold is responding to disinformation, though. I think, you know, when you have central banks buying it, I think they're looking at it quite seriously at this point in time. Well, yeah, but you know, when they should be going ahead and looking at those type of things. I mean, for example, you know, gold is about $3,400. In fact, it's exactly

$3,400 and now silver has joined the party, $39. Yeah, at $40. And so what you have is this enormous run that came in, but there's just nothing going in from the media or from everything else because this run is actually being overshadowed, I think, by all these other types of political-oriented different things. Yeah, well maybe we'll talk about that politically-oriented thing in just a moment here, okay? I just wanted to make note of this fact that gold and silver once again on a run, and is it going to be a permanent

bull? I don't know. But talk to Jay Austin. Jay Austin, of course, a local sponsor and of course big supporters of Talk, and of course, big supporters of Talk Radio have been one of my oldest sponsors here. Yeah, yeah, I agree, and Bill, specifically on that, because I was looking at the things that we're not hearing about, but in terms of that specifics, what we're having is that it's really gone up from about 2,500 up to 3412 now, pair outs, you know, since December of 2025. And it's doing kind of like a holding pattern in there. Yeah, yeah, it is.

What has been different about this though is that it has not been joined in though by mom and pop retail, for the most part. This has been big money. This has been big money. This has been big money going into this. Yeah, you know, that's true and I think the key thing that what I've done is I specifically just go to J. Austin and ask them about what they think. What would the price ability be? Where would it go? Yeah, I have to ask Mark about that at some point. But anyway, to do that, you can find out more. 1632 Ashland Street in Ashland, 6th and G in downtown Grants Pass. I know it was kind of

mixing our talk up with, you know, talking about Jay Austin, but it just seemed to be appropriate. I'm looking at this, it's like, holy mackerel, because it was sleepy the last couple of weeks, kind of holding at the, you know, the $30 holding at the 30 to 50, somewhere in there, and all of a sudden just like bim bang boom. Here we go again. Well, you know, there's other things because you can bring your jewelry in, which is what we've done, which isn't the most expensive around, but it was good quality of gold, of silver, and you could bring that in.

You could also bring coins. You can do a lot of different things just to take a look to see what you want to do. And it's almost Bill, it's almost like life insurance. You know where you have the these ads coming out where you know don't just toss it away or give it away. Find out that you probably have money in life insurance. Well, that certainly is on everything else that's in collectibles and jewelry. Yeah. All right, jaosinbrokers.com and fortunereserve.com on that part.

Just want to make sure and tie that off, okay? Let me then go to the latest news. The latest news, which has been making the, I'm not sure what to think about this because you know me, my cynicism has been tended to be rewarded by the news cycle. Do you agree on that doc? You know, for the most part. Oh yeah.

Yeah. And every time it's like, here's the latest one, we've got Obama now, or now we've got Trump now, or we got this and very little seems to happen. And you can't do anything about Epstein. Now I feel like we're being led down the Primrose path here to think that now talk radio and the right needs to focus on, we have treasonous Obama. Well, in case you'll tell me something we don't know, I think is what I would say. But when you have Tulsi Gabbard coming out,

you know, Dee and I had, and talking about the Obama administration manufacturing and politicized intelligence, and actually talking about it having broken the law, what are they meaning? And what are the odds of anything actually changing at this point in time? What say you.

On those specifics, first of all, as to the intelligence misrepresentations and the Justice Department opening up an investigation. Yeah, because remember, once again, as Tulsi said, is that the Obama administration took what the intelligence agencies actually said and

ignored it, because intelligence said it wasn't credible, right? But they moved forward as it was. This was after, Bill, and he was then to be sworn in in January of the following year. And this came out about, what, about a week before he was sworn in. Right. And the whole key thing is that this is tied in with Hillary Clinton's worse than Watergate tie in with Russiagate that she funded. So this whole thing is just totally, not just bizarre, but it is treasonable. However, you have statute of limitations that have run. Is there a statute of limitation on treason? Doing war against these United

States? It's on the statements made. Because you've got to prove treason. You've got to prove this. And you've got to prove also, given the fact that the bottom line is that there were different things that were released that were contrary to what Tulsi Gabbard has put in, that was by now President and Secretary of State. But if you take a look at the people that were there with John Kerry and all of the Brennan's, and all of them, it was a seething conspiracy of people that were trying to formulate a coup. Whether we're going to get

satisfaction, I have a feeling, this is just my feeling as just one person, Bill, is that it will be traded off for something else as to a law and that it's brilliant by Trump doing it because you have the Jeffrey Epstein situation there and I really do feel Bill that they were holding off not because of the damage to Trump but when Bill Clinton, and what did Clinton Hillary do with his 27 trips going back and forth with Epstein on the Youth Kid Parade planes? I know. You know, for a lot of people in the MAGA world, it's been disappointing to them, Dr., because they've been thinking like, okay, if you can't do anything about one of the most notorious pedophiles ever and who the clients were, reportedly most likely serviced by them very powerful people, what can be done?

And so you're thinking then that the Epstein list, is that what I'm hearing, is kind of being leveraged over what Tulsi is doing? To help in one way or another or not? No, I think it was a beautiful PR move that came in, I could be wrong, by Tulsi Gabbard and also Trump to make up for the waves that are going on with there's no list in the Jeffrey Epstein case. Oh, so it's a change the subject kind of thing. Right. Okay, all right. That makes sense.

That makes sense. Plus there's another thing, because when all of us, I'm disappointed, yes, as to not being able to get Clinton and not get John Kerry who was on one of those planes. Yeah, because we were told like, what are we going to do? We're going to lock her up, right? And of course, I remember thinking to myself, oh boy, you're going to be able to cash that check. Oh, I agree. But you see, the key thing is, is that this is really the disinformation that's coming in in a different way by the far-left Democratic Party, because I just come to a very fundamental thing.

First of all, the polls are not showing this unease with the very conservative MAGA supporters, whom I support. But the key thing is the fact that who do you want? Do you want to have Mamadi? Do you want to have Biden back in there? By the way, I've noticed that even the Democrats seem to be rather cool to Mamadi in trying to back away from that candidacy, like a Georgia mule. Yeah, I would hope that, but I think you see what we don't find out what the rest of us who are here going into social media and those of us who haven't given up on the New York Times, we find this disinformation that keeps on coming on to where what is true and what is not true and what we're

having now is that they're trying to go ahead and Take a goat which is my body and make it look like a thoroughbred now You're not talking about a goat as in greatest of all time. You're not using that acronym, right? No, okay I'm talking about a billy goat All right. Hey, I'll tell you what doc. Let me take a quick break I'll be right back and we'll continue to converse here. You wanted to go down, did you want to go down like a legal rabbit hole a bit on what's happening with our judiciary? How did you describe that? I just gave a little tease if you don't. Oh, judicial capture. Judicial capture. Okay. It is frightening.

Unless you're an attorney, you're not going to pick up on it. All right. Well, he's going to tell us more about that coming up on Where It Passes Me is present here on the Bill Maier Show. Now then, and now in the present, we have a great person, actually a couple of great people here to help you with insurance issues and needs. And one of them is Steve Yancey at Sky Park Insurance. I've been working with him for years, saving a lot of money. and he saves a lot of listeners a lot of money too, more importantly, because of working with multiple agencies and different insurance companies to find the best deal for you. Call him to get a quote. You can do that right now. 261-5444-261-5444. All the different lines, no matter what kind of insurance you're looking for. Now for the Medicare and the Medicare Advantage programs and the supplementals, that can be really confusing

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Most of us are not attorneys. You are. So tell us what we should be looking for out there right now in the judicial system which is indicating capture, please. Absolutely. This goes back to Obama. Keep in mind that Obama, after Harvard Law School, goes right into the deep corrupt state of Illinois as a community organizer which is to change voter perception. He started up this climate judiciary project which was to educate judges on climate control. Now this is really... Now you're not talking about climate control but climate change the the meme or the theme? Yes, climate change, climate change control on the climate.

Where everything is because of private enterprise polluting the air and that's what's causing the problems in the big cities. And when you're a Marxist, one of the things you have to do is set up dissatisfaction then, and you do this via the legal process? That's right. And Obama is a Marxist. Going back was always a Marxist. He just knew how to lie to the people. So what happens is, in this climate judiciary project, is that they would have different types of training in climate change litigation for judges, including emails and seminars. Now, I've been to what they call continuing education at the bar, Oregon, Colorado, California,

and you would have judges there, so you could always go in there because judges would want to go ahead and get a little bit more knowledge if they had complex cases. But the key thing is that they went with Obama further because they then set up direct emails to activist judges having to do with climate control, having to do with catch and release. So anytime you had a, let's say if you had the climate kids as an example with their liberal parents that are getting them involved in these class action lawsuits that would be going after, trying to go after, essentially de-industrializing their society under the guise of, we need to promise them a clean environment and a good world.

That kind of thing? Right? But then where the corruption comes in, and I actually saw this, is that an attorney who is very politically motivated to the far left goes up to a judge and says, you know, I love to hunt. How would you like to go hunting with me? And then you hear a word like out of state. Because then what happens is with the emails and these activists judges, so if you want to know what the hell is going on now, it goes to the biasness of these judges in

terms of giving them gifts, giving them money, and it's a very easy way to do it in the way that you fraternize and even talk to judges by themselves in the chamber. Is it even legal or is this something perfectly legal but just... Oh, it's illegal as hell. Oh, it's illegal. It's illegal. It's illegal. Alright. Well, how do you end up squaring this then with the fact that the American Bar Association, supposedly the watchdog, you know, the fraternity of the legal profession, is all in. And I mean all in. Even on their own website here, doctor,

about human-based climate change. And they are all down with the program. I don't think Obama started that. He may have just really pushed it harder. What do you say? And you know, Bill, it's not just on climate. It's much broader. Because when you go ahead and have these connections with judges who had, let's say, the federal judiciary, who were wonderful campaign fundraisers for Biden,

and then in the last months get appointed to a federal district judgeship, and then all of a sudden they are ruling on all these different lawsuits brought by the far left. It's beyond climate. And I would dare say these same judges are also probably the ones ruling in favor of nationwide injunctions up to this point. Oh, and it's even worse than that because the fact that that's kind of like a different offshoot. On the birthright citizenship, just as a fact, what we have is that as soon as the decision came down by the Supreme Court saying, no, we're not really in favor of nationwide injunctions by one district court judge in Indiana.

But they left a really big loophole there that all you had to do was just turn it into a class action, certify the class, right? And they did. Because what happened is immediately on birthright citizenship, you had an amended complaint that came in that said that this is really a class action lawsuit. Now this is perverting what a class action lawsuit is. Usually like Purdue Pharma, same issues, same identical issues of law, and they're getting an injunction that comes in on that. And then

if we get back to the American Bar Association, that's been as far left as I've known. Now this has been known for a long time here, Doc. My question being here is that obviously the judiciary has been captured, right? Someone like yourself is kind of a unicorn within much of the accepted legal way of looking at the world. Would you agree with me on that? Oh, I follow the law and I go exactly there. I have to give with you precise information as to the law. But what I'm getting at though is that you're not captured though, but when you have an entire system under such a capture of like what Obama was doing and essentially ideological capture,

how do you end up reforming something like that? How do you reform judicial supremacy? Because that's really what we're talking about, a judicial supremacy tyranny type of situation where, you know, the Constitution does not say that we're supposed to be living under the rule of judges, and yet we do tend to be going there. Yeah, get more judges out. That's why you're seeing this big controversy having to do with getting Trump's defense attorney to the second court of appeals and the way the far left boycotted the Senate meeting, the same way that Biden got in this push of biased judges with Obama was with the Senate majority. Trump should be really and is already doing it, working on that, and that's the only way

you can do it. Now, the ABA, to tell you how bad it's been, they were the ones working with Biden and Obama as to giving out the evaluation from the ABA standpoint. And Trump is now ignoring that, right? He's not going to the ABA for the recommendation. That's just recent because all the way up, the far-left left ability and if you can check to see how bar associations statewide have become oriented towards the far left you can see it in terms of the changes that are made and things like that. Yeah, I get that but here's my I guess this is the philosophical question this is the 64 billion dollar

trillion dollar question whatever you want to you know put to it as far as a number, is the system is obviously captured from the top to the bottom in the judiciary. The law schools, generally speaking, are all the same. They're drinking from the same Kool-Aid, the same Marxist Kool-Aid here, and they're quite powerful. And how does something like that, that big, that corrupt, that big fat of a pig, you know, the judiciary, along with the legal schools, it's much like the woke medicine. You know, it's not just the doctors or the people that are in the hospital right now, doctor. It's the medical schools.

It's the nursing schools. And it would have to be, obviously, the legal schools, too. Oh, I agree. And the answer is, first of all, you go after the law schools like the medical schools or in DEI, but the other thing is that it depends on what jobs are out there. Because you can have a person that's been indoctrinated by a legal professor in criminal law, but the job that they find is working for Johnson & Johnson. And I've seen classmates of mine who have gone in, one of them was running and has run

a major utility, and he was left in law school, but he went the other way. Others become writers. Others go ahead and do these things. Because the law is, I looked upon it as being a treasured occupation, but then I found out how reality comes in and changes that. So I went ahead and had a different career path where I only ministered to small businesses, went after the personal injury attorneys who were suing hospitals and showed myself that way.

So there are many paths that are going as you mature. Okay, what about the, you know, you say that the type of work that is available might end up dictating then the tenor of the candidates that ended up getting hired. Is this saying that in some ways shrinking the federal judiciary would be helpful, in other words, in other words having fewer of these kind of positions, or am I wrong, am I interpreting this incorrectly through you?

Well, the issue now, that's a good question, excellent question, the issue now is exactly that. Do you shrink or do you go ahead and expand? And right now, it's doing two things. One is there are open positions, appellate district court, because they retire, they die, this and that. Yeah, and Trump wants to fill these right now, which is why he wants the August recess canceled in the Senate to be able to do this. Right.

Then you go in, my friend, and you add judges because I'm still waiting to see what is on that in the big, beautiful bill that had to do with expanding the number of judges in the United States because it's an open question. It's not called for in the Constitution, but it certainly is there. And I am so pleased, Bill, that Trump got in because I don't even want to think about this country if he hadn't. I'm just hoping that he's able to make some real substantive change and not something which the next president is able just to automatically reverse. Because then if it's just going to be, okay, we get a handful of fewer woke judges for

the next two, three years, and then if we're there, God forbid there's a Democrat, then all of a sudden it gets reversed back the other direction. I don't know what's accomplished at this point? Yeah, these are good arguments the the argument though on all of these issues On the concept my friend is that he is trying to do it at all these different issues from reducing the size of government to getting out these illegal immigrants and to the extent that he can stay alive.

Do you ultimately think he wins the birthright citizenship case? That's really close, and the reason is is because the delay that are being put in by the far left, I think that's a close 50-50. Before we had this class action indication that came in on birthright citizenship. I said, you know, this might be a 5-4 with Chief Justice Roberts going with the majority, but now I don't know about what changes he's going to do to get other things through.

It could be four or five the other way. Yeah, yeah. Well, I tend to look at Chief Justice Roberts as being part of that captured judiciary. I don't know, you know, I don't know where the naked pictures are and who they are of, but they're there someplace, dog. That's all gonna let you say, okay? I gotta go, but I'll catch you next Monday, okay? Thank you. That's a great note. Take care. Thank you. Dr. Dennis Powers,

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boxes when you commented about the DARPA bee project as it, I was manager of facilities engineering at the Southwest Research Institute in San Antonio from 2012 to 2011. And SWRI was where the research was conducted. There was an area out in the brushy area of the campus where a screen mesh tent enclosed several structures and other things used for the research. And there were also indoor rooms in the buildings on campus that were used to simulate various scenarios where the bees were worked. Not if it was open to the public that I know of, and since I didn't have security clearance, I was never privy to what was done, but it was being done

while I was there." You know, the bee drones that we were talking about, it's like half joking about that, right? Oscar continues, there was always military and government-related work being conducted on campus and another very interesting DARPA project being conducted while I was there had to do with some ultra slippery slimy goo that could be spread behind a vehicle or applied using a large hose. The intent was to deny access to individuals and vehicles by making it too slippery for anyone to get past the stuff. Biodegradable and non-toxic, of course, Bill. I don't know if it ever went anywhere, but I do remember encountering some of it in a field test area where it was already dissolving.

Oscar, I appreciate that. A great little look at Oz behind the controls there, huh? My email, bill, at BillMeyersShow.com, and I appreciate you listening today and tomorrow on Pebble in Your Shoe Tuesday. Go ahead and drop me an email if you have anything else going on, and we will kick it around Tuesday for sure.