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Dr. Jane Orient MD joins me for a talk about organ donation. New York Times has an in-depth article indicating Hospitals may be harvesting organ donors who could still recover...yikes. S. Oregon resident Andy Pollack was at the White House - great story!

The Bill Myer Show podcast is sponsored by Clauser Drilling. They've been leading the way in southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Clauser Drilling dot com. It's 11 minutes after eight. Dr. Jane Orient MD rejoins the program. One of my favorite medical guests I have her on quite often. She's the executive director of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, Aapsonline.org. And AAPS, nonpartisan, it's a professional association

of physicians in all types of practices and specialties around the country. And Dr. Orient, first off, welcome. AAPS is really about medical freedom and patient first, right? Isn't that essentially, you know, where you're coming from these days? Yes, that is. Doctors should be working for their patients, not for the government

and not for big insurance. Boy, that's getting pretty tough to do these days given the encircling medical industrial complex, insurance complex, right? Is it kind of tough to be an independent physician these days? It really is. So many independent doctors have been driven out of practice by regulations and by insurance company requirements. I wanted to ask you about your take on the veracity and or what's really going on in the organ donation world.

The reason I bring this up is it was a few days ago I ended up getting my real ID and was down at DMV and they asked well do you want to be an organ donor? And I said no and I thought about it and I said no I'll change my mind I'll be an organ donor because I'm thinking okay if I don't need the body fine that's great maybe it can do some good after I'm gone. But then it's like a day or two later, I'm reading the New York Times, a story from the New York Times, and it was a big 15-page story.

It's a huge story about problems in organ procurement in which hospitals are being accused of killing patients, in essence, for the organs. And I'm wondering if you can kind of give us a thumbnail sketch of overall what's going on because you looked at this too. Well, I think this is a concern. That there's a big market for organs, and they really want those transplants. And they usually go by brain death. And what does brain death mean?

I mean, you may look pink, and you may look like you're living, except that you can't move or express yourself, but they say that, but you really are dead. Of course, you really are totally dead when they take your heart out, but before then, they said, well, your brain is dead. You're not going to recover. And so we might as well have you give the gift of life to one of our recipients. But the criteria for brain death are really quite demanding and a lot of times they cut corners on this and they've even admitted that they cut corners. They will say, well, if your brain is damaged, you're not going to recover and if you do

recover, you'll probably be brain damaged and you'll just be a cost and a burden on everybody. So we might as well take your organs where they can do some good. But as soon as they call you an organ donor, they're going to treat you differently. And I do know this with respect to one patient whose chart I reviewed in great detail. Yeah. Could you tell me a little bit more about this then? Because you had personal contact with this issue. So the question is where or when does true brain death occur, right? This is the issue which is being kind of sliced and diced right now, no pun intended.

Right. They say, well, your brain has to be totally dead and these are all these criteria that will tell us that. But sometimes they cut corners, they don't really check and they stop all efforts to resuscitate you and to give your brain a chance to recover, which it does have much more capability to do than we generally give it credit for. And that kind of, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Do we know for sure exactly when real death occurs? Because I have read amazing stories of people

who they claimed were brain dead, who ended up coming back and then even talking about, you know, doctors and relatives and people talking around them and discussing it. Do we have, I mean, dead bang, no pun intended again, scientific criteria of when we really die? Yeah. Well, you're not going to recover from brain death, but you may recover from the wrong diagnosis of brain death.

And there are some startling examples of this. Not all the people who live recover fully like that, but there are a few who do. And the staff is really intent on getting the organs and so they will tell family members to see something that, oh that was just a reflex. Because the story in the New York Times was talking about, you're right, family members, they would look and there would be herking and jerking and like attempts of the patient to try to get up and they were kind of soothed I guess or told by the medical professionals there that this is just the body reacting, right? There's nothing to be concerned about and that's not

necessarily true. Right. They will say, oh, it's nothing to be concerned at and that's not necessarily true. Right. They will say, oh, it's a spinal cord reflex or something like that, if the brain is still dead. But they are assuming that and they are often wrong about that. Anesthesiologists sometimes have a problem because they take the donor to the operating room and as it makes sense to anesthetize someone who's dead, But if they don't anesthetize, the person may have reactions as if he were in severe pain, like his blood pressure may shoot up. And so the anesthesiologist may wonder, well, what is really going on here? I didn't realize that if someone was brain dead, that they would then apply, if they were technically brain dead that they would be giving anesthesia because I would kind of go

into where you were Dr. Orient that if you're truly brain dead and not able to recover you wouldn't need pain medication or am I wrong about that? Well, if you're dead you don't. mean, these reflexes that raise your blood pressure, they are mediated in the brain. So if somebody cuts on you and your blood pressure goes up, something happened in your brain. You may not be able to express yourself. You may not even be conscious that part of your brain

is not dead if you have that kind of reflex. The way we have it right now, in other words, going with your medical experience and hearing what the New York Times had to say then, is there any way to estimate how many people are perhaps being operated on and donating organs before they're truly dead and before they needed to be harvested, so to speak. Well, I don't know how you're going to find that out because there's sure a lot of incentive not to have that found out. But once you're declared brain dead and you're an organ donor, they're going to treat you

like an incubator for your organs and not like a person. And they will treat you differently. They may give you anticoagulants, like this one baby that I know about. And so that may decrease still further your chance of recovery. By giving you anticoagulants? Yeah, to preserve your organs. But you've already got a bleed in your brain, say, and you're going to bleed more in your brain, but maybe your heart will be better off. Okay. So, this sounds to me like the real secret that I think people don't know or don't understand

and I didn't understand until talking with you and also hearing this article or reading this article is that they really don't want you dead. In other words, someone is dead and mangled in the traffic accident. I'm going to use a graphic example of this. They're brought into the hospital. They really don't want you dead with no heartbeat, etc. They really need your heart beating and everything continuing to work because you can't really donate the organs out of someone who is really dead and gone already you can't do that you can't do it from a cadaver so to speak how long do they have to be able to start transplanting or

harvesting organs out of someone who donates probably just a couple minutes now there is this thing called cardiovascular death, which means that they wait for the person's heart to stop. They may wait a couple minutes and then they take the heart, even though the patient's not brain dead, whereas the person could have possibly been resuscitated if they had tried. I mean, obviously the heart will start beating again when they put it into the donor. Have there been any cases that you're aware of in which they're going to take the organs of an organ donor and then they start cutting and then someone makes the mistake and they

realize, no, this person is still really alive and then they stop or does everyone just kind of go forward? Once you're moving forward, you're going to move forward. I don't know of any case where they've actually started cutting. There have been some cases on the way into the operating room when somebody sees signs of life. Some other team may be saying, well, look, we've got the recipient over there waiting for his organ. We've got to go ahead with the system reflex. And then some will say no, no, no, isocyanin deplete, we have to stop. So the decision I just think is generally made before they take the first cuts. But unfortunately the biggest takeaway that I'm getting

from all of this Dr. Oren is that there are amazing financial incentives and such huge demand that you think people sometimes look the other way and just move forward because, hey, the surgery teams are here, everybody's getting paid, we're all making money from this. Everybody makes money out of this too, out of the organ donation, don't they? Yeah, everybody except the donors, family. I think this happens and I think there is we have lost our respect for the sanctity of life and people will say well even if he isn't quite dead he will

be pretty soon or he won't recover he's going to be a vegetable and he's going to be a burden so let's just make the best of who we can take his organs. So now we're finding out that I remember reading a story a number of weeks of months ago I think I still have it in my stack someplace here, Dr. Orient. Dr. Jane Orient, MD, Executive Director of APS, Association of American Physicians and Surgeons. I was reading about how they were advocating over the European Union. I think it was some Scandinavian countries that, you know, we really need to be doing more harvesting of organs while the bodies are technically alive.

And boy, this is kind of has a, this is a serious creep factor and a serious ethical lapse that's going on. Has there been any talk of reforming this to tighten this up so that we all agree when someone is really dead before anybody starts donating. What say you in the medical world, huh? Well, I think there's an effort in the other direction to make the requirements more lax so that we can get more organs. But you know, you say on the doorstep,

okay, I want to give a gift of flesh that nobody did. You need to realize that there are incentives out there to not treat you with to give you the maximum chance of recovery if there's a chance of getting a good heart instead. And so I think you might look into a thing in your state. I think in some places it's not enough to just not be an organ donor. Maybe you have to take some action to say, I'm not an organ donor. I see. What about family? Family members, can family hold some sway over this and stop something if they think

that there is still some hope? Or is this decision made by the so-called scary air quote medical professionals? I think sometimes it may be made by the medical professionals. I think you may try to set it up so they can't take your organs without consent of your medical power of attorney. But these people are really pretty persuasive. And they're made people who are living with lifelong guilt because they gave permission to take their son's organs,

but it turns out that they're not sure that he was really dead in retrospect. What reform, if any, would you suggest in the medical world that could be done to balance the scale so that we have less of a danger of someone. You know, people want to donate organs, they want to think they want to help, but you don't necessarily want to be spent on. It's kind of like a real-life version with anesthesia of that old Monty Python movie in which they come for the guy's liver and he's still alive, right? But he said, hey, you have a liver donor card, right? It's like, wow. Well, some people think there's a real problem with brain death and that maybe it is not a valid concept and it's been accepted only because of the motive to take organs.

So this is really a dilemma. It may be that for failing hearts, we need to look for some better treatment than taking heart from somebody who might not really be dead. Would it be better to take the lack of heartbeat or what you called cardiovascular death as a more solid evidence of real death or not? Well if you don't wait long enough, it could be that the heart is going to restart when you put it into the recipient. And it might restart if you try to resuscitate the person it belongs to.

And so you say, well, okay, we're going to wait until it stops, and then we're going to declare the person dead. But if we didn't declare him dead, we might try to resuscitate him and he might come back and be totally alive. I mean, there is just a real moral hazard there. Would you suggest not donating organs then or organs for that reason? How do you see it? I think that you know you can plant kidneys from a living donor, you can transplant part of a liver from a living donor, but the heart you really can't. And I just think that there is an ethical problem with heart transplant.

An ethical problem with heart transplants for what you're saying because what you're thinking that a lot of times they just don't, they're not dead before they get the heart transplanted? They're not dead. They may have a chance of recovery. It may be a small chance of recovery, but they're not dead. All right. Dr. Jane Orient, MD, I appreciate your thoughts on it this morning and thank you for making the time. AAPSONLINE.org, great organization. And what else can we learn if we end up heading over there? if we end up heading over there. I think we can learn about ways to find an independent doctor about the ways that we really, things we really do need to reform

this over the expensive medical system, which means we need to get rid of managed care. We need to go back to direct payment for most medical bills and have insurance only for disasters, like car insurance is. Okay. Thank you, Dr. Orian. Great talking. Be well. Thank you. 27 minutes after 8, this is the Millmeyer Show. You're waking up on KMED 993KBXG.

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More at StephenWestfallRoofingInc.com. License number CCB250730. This is The Bill Meyer Show on 1063 KMED. Call Bill now. 541-770-5633. That's 770-KMED. Now that was a Conspiracy Theory Thursday interview there with Dr. Jane Orient for sure there. The conspiracy theory Thursday interview there with Dr. Jane Orient for sure there. And we were talking about this really big New York Times study. It's starting to get a little bit of traction now and then. I read this a few days ago and it was chilling, talking about what they consider to be a real risk of many people donating organs before their time, so to speak, because there were such huge incentives for hospitals and doctors and everybody involved here to

get the transplants going, you have future people, got the heart, the corneas, all these other sort of things. And I had a listener who popped me a message and said, Bill, is this why they are always pushing the do not resuscitate? The DNRs, every time you're going into any medical procedure, they're always putting the, do you want to be resuscitated or not? That kind of thing.

And I asked Dr. Orient off air because I got the message after I got off the interview with her. And Dr. Orient did tell me that, yes, that is part of the reason why there's a big push on the do not resuscitate. But the other part of this is a lot of it depends on whether they are looking at you as a viable organ donor. And let's say if you're an elderly person or someone who's just really old, maybe you're

not in great shape and you don't necessarily have a lot of viable organs because of whatever condition you have, it's more than likely that they're looking to free up the hospital bed or free up the intensive care unit kind of bed. And even that, of course, is once again the incentive to move us along, move us along into the medical abattoir, so to speak. So there we go. That's from Dr. Jane Orient MD over at aapsonline.org.

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And he said, sure, sure. I'll talk with you at 8.35. I can't get a hold of him. Could be maybe he got stuck someplace. He's been in the White House. He was in the White House the other day. But anyway, we'll see. We'll get him back on at some point.

This is the challenge when you're a talk show host and you're trying to get a hold of people who are on cell phones and The cell phones and in here it is we depend on everything about this cell phone cell phone cell phone Everything about your life is supposed to be in the cell phone and yet even after all of this amazing technology People still drop out you'll be in some place and it's a physical situation doesn't matter. They're gone I was talking with John O'Connor this morning and right in the middle as he's talking about this Tulsi Gabbard thing and all this thing, I mean, he just dropped out and I still haven't been able to get a hold of him.

He said, well, I'm out here on the bleeding edge. I'm out here by the lakes in Michigan. And then what is it? Then you start wondering, you start wondering with the Lucretias of the world that call the show and are always talking about they control, you know, who are they? They are controlling the weather or they are controlling this. And I can't help but think, all right, we had a guy that was involved in the Watergate scandal, you know, prosecuting it and working with Deep Throat, being Deep Throat's lawyer and things like that.

You got to figure NSA probably has a tap on someone like him all the time because of all these years and all of a sudden, all right, he's talking about why this thing with Tulsi Gabbard is so important and all of a sudden, beep, the phone disappears and you can't get a hold of him. Now, hopefully John is still alive. I'll just let you know. I just want to make sure it wasn't one of those things where he's out fishing in the middle of the Michigan lake like in some Godfather movie and then all of a sudden, you know, the guy who is with him, you know,

leave the gun, take the cannoli, you know, that kind of thing. You do wonder about that sometimes, don't you? All right. Now then, speaking of leave the gun, take the cannoli type of thing, the breaking news out of New York Times just came out here. Justice Department will be interviewing Ghislaine Maxwell. Yes, Epstein's squeeze and partner in the child trafficking and in all the other pervy action. The interview with with Galane serving a 20-year sentence for sex trafficking set to take place today in Florida and hopefully Galane Maxwell does not commit suicide between now and the time that the lawyers will be speaking with her from the DOJ.

So there's my Conspiracy Theory Thursday situation, okay? 770-5633. Open phones on Conspiracy Theory Thursday. Let me go to it. Hi. Who's this? Hello? Hi Bill. Oh, you were there. Here it is. Your ears were burning, weren't they? Yes. You have to have your theme though. Okay, Lucretia, take it away. Whether we're ordering the weather or we're ordering a hit on someone who's talking about the wrong thing.

What are we doing this morning, huh? Do you have your seatbelt on? Do I have my seatbelt? Well, I have my seatbelt on when I'm in the car. I'm standing up. I don't need a seatbelt yet to stand, but that could change. I think you do. All right. Bill, what known physics are you talking about? What do you mean? Are you talking about the ones they feed us, the lies, the scientism? Okay, which specifically, what are you going back to the... Bill, they've given us this lie that everything's based on this materialism. And in 1933, Prince Zonis is discreet. He claimed there's dark matter.

Guess what? There's no dark matter and's dark matter. Guess what? There's no dark matter and no dark energy. 96% of the cosmos doesn't exist. So your theory of relativity and your gravity is gone if it doesn't exist. Is this going back to Scott who called in and was talking about the magic car where you put water in the tank and they're able to move? Is that the one? Yeah, because actually water... Do you know, like when you see one little cloud in the sky, one cumulus cloud up there, it's not even a big cloud. Do you know how much water the weight of

that cloud is? It's equivalent to about 1,000 elephants. 1,000 what? How does that fit in the cloud, in the sky, water that weighs that much? I was listening to Dr. Pollack about water and how it changes structure, whether it's water, if it's vapor, if it's cloud, and then easy water. It's really fascinating, incredible stuff, but even going back to some of Mark Groger's and end to upside-down thinking, whether it's dealing with just even our freedom to, what's the other one, to thinking. Okay, now remember, don't spark on the ground. Okay, don't spark like a power cable on the ground, okay?

Focus, focus, focus. Okay. But basically, all the things we've been said, like you listen to this one, 25-year, they've been researching for the dark matter. It doesn't exist. And they said, well, why is it going? And he said, basically, like Dr. Pollack says, they know that what they've told us about water is a lie and it's based on Andrew Huxley, another Huxley family.

Okay, so all the science even from going back during the Enlightenment, it's all bad then. Okay, so I'll just kind of throw out everything we know about this. Now then. Now hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Lucretia, Lucretia, I'm cutting your microphone right now, okay? Okay.

If we're going to say that you can put gas or water in the tank, now granted there would be a lot of vested interests that would want to make sure that if you really could split the hydrogen away from water very easily and burn it, there would be a lot of rice bowls broken. Okay, so I'm going to concede your point on that. There would be a lot of rice bowls broken. We all know that. And there would be people that would want to make sure that truly inexpensive, non-profitable energy kind of sources would not make it.

Okay? I'm going to concede your point of that possibility. All right? I will. Thank you. All I'm saying though is that if there is a way, if it was Dr. Stanley Myers, whoever else, who was working on this and he had it and he was able to demonstrate it, he was able to use a little bit of energy and split the hydrogen away, there's no reason that information should not have been shared. If there's a frequency involved to be able to to vibrate water at a certain deal and split the the

hydrogen away from it, that would be great. I don't know if you can hide that kind of process just by killing a few people that had worked on it in the past. That's all. Where am I wrong? Well, you do. I mean, look at who they gave us, Stephen Hawking. Guy can't talk.

We don't even know what he's thinking or saying. They just, you know, make up something they say. You know, he was put up there. There's never been one single thing that quantum physics has produced. It's all been done other ways. Well, quantum physics, well, by the way, quantum physics, the quants, if you want to call them that,

they've already made it clear that zero-point energy is absolutely a possibility, just tapping into the energy of the universe. That would seem to be something that you would be happy with and yet you say quantum physics has created nothing. Listen, if you listen to Dr. Steven Young and the PhD... Okay, quit naming tons of doctors again. Okay. Please. He says that atoms don't exist. Atoms were made up. There's no atoms. There's electrons and protons, but there's not atoms. Nothing's sitting around. Well, I'm glad that he's not made up of anything then.

All right. Well, that's not what I said, Bill. If you would get on Dr. Steven Young, or you would get on Mark Gobert, an incredible former Princeton graduate with just incredible knowledge with looking at the opportunities. But he was, when COVID came along and these things came along, he started asking questions. Yeah, well, you see, now these people are asking questions. And like I said, not time in a four or five minute call, you know, to go over this. The basic take then is that nothing that we know is true. Nothing. Well, Bill, it's...

No, no. Isn't that essentially what you're saying? When I say that hydrogen is difficult to split away from the oxygen in water and that it takes a lot of work to do this, then that's wrong. And that because a cloud weighs so much it can't possibly float. So you can't there's no such thing as water vapor. In other words, you know the words I'm supposed to absolutely question every little bit of scientism The water changes structure it actually has I believe more hydrogen I have to go back and listen to that again

It was really like a two-hour podcast. He gives a talk on it, but it's incredible. All right. Like I said, you're asking me to jump over too many hoops at this particular point. And because there are certain things that I have been taught in science class, even in my government school classes, that I can repeat and demonstrate.

And if there are differences, they need to be able to repeat and demonstrate it for us too, and not just make YouTube videos. I appreciate the call. It gets a little exhausting sometimes, but you know. All right. So there we go. None of it's true. It's all a lie. And Epstein killed himself. This is The Bill Meyers Show. The Outdoor Report on KMED and the Jukebox 99-3 covers recreational opportunities and is powered by Oregon Truck and Auto Authority, your Department of Adventure off Vilas Road on Airway Drive. You're great at protecting your own personal information. You probably even use things like two-factor authentication, strong passwords, VPN, but as much as you try to be in control of how your information is protected,

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Terms play. Hi, I'm Steve Potter, Body Shop Manager of Lithia Body and Paint, and I'm on 106.7 KMED. Ten before nine, open phones on Conspiracy Theory Thursday. What did we get? We found Andy Pollack. We got Andy. Andy, glad we got you. How are you? You were in the nation's capital right now. Are you back home at this point? a hold of you. Now, you are in the nation's capital right now, or you back home at this point? Hello, Andy? Yeah, we lost it again. Gosh darn it. I'm just going to call him on the air here, because he promised he would be there. Let's see. All right, there we go. Maybe we can finally get him. Oh my gosh. Cell phones. Live by him, die by him, I think, apparently.

Is he going to be there or not? Nope, he's not there. Hi, this is Andy's cell phone. That's what happened every other time I tried to call out. Gosh darn it. Need a new phone plan, Andy. 851, hello. Good morning. Who's this? Welcome. This is not Andy's secretary. This is Michael. Hello, Michael. Good to have you on. What are you thinking? So yeah, I was just looking up on YouTube to make sure I wasn't losing my mind,

but there was a guy on the news, oh, 15 years ago. His name is John Kansius, and he actually had people there verifying that this was legitimate. He was using a test tube of salt water suspended with two RF frequency, RF antennas, and with the beaker between the two RF antennas and he was using a frequency or maybe two frequencies. I don't know what he was doing there but he had a 1500 degree flame consistently and it was on the news. I don't know whatever happened to him but I thought maybe we'd get something out of that but I guess in Japan they did figure out a way to get energy right out of water, right when you need it, no storage

necessary. It's just like the Stanley Meyer thing. And that kind of drove all the... Well, that's going back on what Lucretia was talking about here just a little bit ago. All I'm saying is that if you really have that and you actually have a proof of concept, put it out there. Because there's really no way that you're going to be able to really patent something like that. But if you distribute the information, let it happen.

And if it ends up destroying the energy markets and everything else, so be it. But talk about a wonderful world gift to have essentially unlimited energy when or where you need it. But as long as it's something where, well, we're only going to put it into a YouTube video or, oh, they killed this guy, etc., etc., for knowing it, if you find it out, if you really have discovered it, you might as well share it, because you're not gonna be able to make a million on it because it's scarce, it's no scarcity involved in something like that, okay?

All you have to do is take out one person that's involved in it and it sends the message to anybody else who's involved that your life is in danger, so you better get ready for that. Okay, I don't know about that part. If you freely distribute it rather than hoping like you know send $4.99 over to you know freeenergymachine.com then I think then you get it out there okay. I appreciate the call though thank you. And if there are ways to do it but yeah

there were people that would like it to be withheld for sure on Conspiracy Theory Thursday. Andy Pawlik is standing by. Andy, I think we finally got you on. How you been? Yes, you got me. You got me, Bill. Now, are you in the nation's capital or are you in town at this point? I got back last night from D.C. and let me tell you, I had the experience of a lifetime just the past week while I was in D.C. Well, we need to get you a better cell phone plan out there in Lake Creek or wherever you are, okay?

Appreciate you being here. We're working on it. What happened when you were... why were you in DC and hanging out with the Trump administration in the first place? You have a popular picture of it there. Yeah, it's pretty amazing. So So you had me on a while back. I commissioned a painting to the president and he ended up hanging it in the East Wing. And it is the most popular painting right now in the White House. Like everyone that goes there on the tours, they line up to take pictures of it.

Laura Trump just posted a picture of her sitting on the couch in the White House in front of the painting, and also the Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu just took a picture with the President and it was posted. So I was in D.C., the President was just thanking me for the painting, you know, I went and my son happens to work for Pan Bondi. He's at the Department of Justice. So it was like I went to DC to see my son and then the president wanted to meet with me. That's great. And what was the painting again Andy for those that don't remember? I don't even remember. It's that 555 painting where the president got shot in

Butler and painting where the president got shot in Butler. And I'm pretty friendly with this artist. His name is Mark Lipp, M-A-R-C-L-I-P-P. And I spoke with him about a painting. We made this painting. I had my connections in the White House. I actually sent two. So one is in the East Wing, and now they just put one in the Capitol building where

he has like an office, the President. So, Bill, so I'm in the, you know, it's pretty surreal. I'm waiting to go in. It's not my first time going into the Oval Office. I'm waiting to go into the Oval Office. It's like you're on another planet when you're waiting. It's quiet, but you can hear the president's voice. So I go in, I have my son with me, Hunter. The president's sitting behind the desk in the Oval Office. And we're chatting, he's happy to hear that Hunter's doing great. He's at the DOJ.

I'm working, I have a safety company that I work on. It's technology stuff to make schools and communities safer. It's going in hotels, places of worship, stuff like that. So we're there and he goes, Hey, Andy, I don't want you to guys to leave so fast. You want to sit in, I have the Japanese here and we're gonna negotiate a trade deal. So I'm like, I don't... So you're sitting in there during the negotiation? Really? Well he says, I want to stay here for the negotiation. So I'm like, okay, you don't have to say that to me twice, right? So I go into the back of the oval, I sent you the picture, it's where the president sits when prime ministers

and people come into the office and he doesn't wanna sit at the desk, he sits in these two yellow chairs. So I sent you the picture, it's my son and myself in the two yellow chairs, in front of us is the Japanese, right, Marco Rubio, I know Marco from Florida, we're kind of on a friendly basis. So we talk, we chit chat, and I just sit in the back. So they come in, the Japanese, and before they come in, he goes, Andy, he goes, these Japanese have been screwing us

for over 50 years. And I want you to see that's what he, just like that, but he didn't say screw, he said another word that's similar. And I was like, wow, I go, okay, yeah, they have been, you know, like every other country. So they all sit down and they start negotiating. Like you wouldn't believe it. Like it's like a car, like you're trying to buy a car for 10,000 and then you're saying 8,000. So the president's saying, you know, you should be investing 750 billion and they're going back to 500 billion and then they're going with the tariffs.

So it's pretty funny. Then they thought the Japanese start saying, well, our tariffs shouldn't be higher than any other country. And they keep going back to it. Japanese start saying, well, our tariffs shouldn't be higher than any other country. And they keep going back to it. It shouldn't be higher than any other country. And they bring up the UK. So the president goes, well, the UK, they're paying for our military. You guys, you're not really paying for our military presence in that region. And so how do they finally... I only got about a minute left and I turn into a pumpkin here.

Okay, real quick. I want to get this one point out. So he goes, you guys got North Korea over there and we know and you know we can handle North Korea. And then he goes, it was unbelievable. He goes, did you see what we did to Japan a couple of weeks ago? It was like it was just back and forth and it was just an amazing experience. And whoever doubts this president about putting America first, they're out of their minds because the president was there negotiating for America like it was his last hundred dollars. Andy, that's a fascinating story, you actually being in there, because I know that I think they got Japan to the 15% tariff and now Canada is upset because they're at 25, right? So let the deal making begin.

Thanks for giving us a little behind the scenes on this one, okay? Andy Pollack, great talking with you this morning, okay? Thank you so much. Sure, Bill. Thank you. All right. Andy Pollack, Southern Oregon resident now. This is KMED, KMED, HD1, Eagle Point, Medford, KBXG, Grants Pass. We're going to join Town Hall News in progress and catch you Friday morning.