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Episode Date: July 27, 2026

Where Past Meets Present with Dr. Powers - Profile of Lake of the Woods resort, other news and lawfare updates and your calls.

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Earlier I was talking with, well, I was talking about a post that State Representative Dwayne Yunker put out on Facebook yesterday. And I saved that, and I shared that. I almost will never sit there and read someone. But Dwayne did such a great job of laying out the problems here, the case there, with the ONA partnering with the American Federation of Teachers and how this, you know, really kind of an unholy alignment. And David writes me this morning, Bill.

Nikita Khrushchev used to say, we will bury you from within. Just listen to what State Representative Yonker wrote and just really take a look around at what is going on in the nation. Whether you like it or not, you have to admit that Eugene McCarthy

was right. Was that Eugene McCarthy or... No, I think it's a different McCarthy. I think you're thinking of Joe McCarthy. But, yeah, I know. That's the one. Joe McCarthy. Yeah, Joe McCarthy is the one

that, of course, was smeared with the deal of McCarthyism. You know, it's really interesting. Back then, they were talking about how McCarthy was smearing all of those wonderful, gentle leftists. And it just wasn't true. And then you ended up finding out the Vernonia papers. They ended up being released after the fall of the Soviet Union. And yes, yes, indeed, there are tons, tons of Russian agents, all festooned within the United States government,

especially in FDR's time, too. Yeah, they all know it now. I know that Anne Coulter ended up writing a really good book about that a number of years ago in which she detailed it. It was quite a good book. I don't remember the title of it off the top of my head. I'll have to look that up again. I have it somewhere within my archive, I think.

But anyway, we can talk about that. Other things on your mind here, too, 7705633-770 KM-E-D. Hmm. We were talking the other day about the prison situation, how there was, I should say, an audit that was released by the Secretary of State last week. And it was talking about how the state prison system is crumbling and especially, especially the state penitentiary. And Kevin Stradamus writes me this morning. We'll keep his legal name out of this one.

He says, hey, Bill, I unfortunately have spent time in five of Orrinuternia. Oregon's prisons. One was habitable. We'll take that as the voice of experience, Kevin Stradamus. A couple of minutes after eight, we'll catch up with the rest of it. I hope you stay out of it from the sounds of it. A couple minutes after eight, we'll catch up with the latest on Fox News, the Kim Commando Digital Update, and where past meets present. Yep, look back in Southern Oregon history with Dr. Dennis Powers. And drinks, paints and supply, we know your color. The covenant tomorrow's sunny and dry high at 91. This is Kevin Wallace for NBC5 News.

Your place. Nine minutes after eight. Coming up here in the next few minutes after Dr. Powers, we are going to have some fun, and I'm going to give you a chance to win the new mix-and-match trio appetizer sampler from Abby's Pizza. And it's pretty cool the way this works. You end up choosing from warm Idaho spuds. You get barbecue wings, boneless wings, garlic nuts, big mozzarella cheese pools. Wait, and that's not good?

Sounds incredible. Garlic Parmesan breadsticks. And what I'll do is it will be giving away some of those mix-and-match trios later this hour. Okay, so just stand by and we're going to get your fed over at your Southern Oregon Abbey's locations. That'll be a lot of fun. We'll talk with Dr. Dennis Powers, too, retired professor of business law and get the latest on some local history. And then see what else is going on in the law fair world, all right? Price of oil down this morning, I haven't checked the price of gold and or physical silver.

I've looked at it being on sale the last few weeks here, and I'm actually kind of thrilled because I'm looking at what central banks are doing. They are banking, in other words, the big money is backing up the truck and grabbing all these people, grabbing all the physical gold that they can and putting it in their vaults. And it's kind of funny. You know, regular people will act one way, and they see the price of it to dip here for a little bit,

like a pullback after a meteoric rise, which I thought was too big. much too fast in my view. And then all of a sudden, oh, man, I don't want this stuff around anymore. And the central banks are saying, we're happy to buy it from you here, give it. And why is that? Because they're looking for real assets, real assets for the long haul. They're not looking to do trading. That's not the way central banks tend to look at it. They're looking at a time in which having a real asset on the books is worth more than a paper promise, all right? And maybe you would be like your own central bank and maybe add a little bit when you see a bit of the pullback on those prices right now. Yeah, do it.

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You can get that at Hellgatepress.com. A lot of these historical profiles are in that. And this morning, Doc, first off, welcome back. Hey, Doc. How you doing? Always a pleasure. And looking forward as usual to where we're going to be going. All right. Let us go with Lake of the Woods first.

Let me talk about how, we know the great history of that amazing recreation area around here. How did that get all started? Well, I tell you, my friend, it's summertime and Lake of the Woods. It's a natural lake. This is for those echo tourists that want to take down dams. Don't bother with Lake of the Woods. It was one to where you have a mixed regulation. The U.S. Forest Service manages it, built a public.

campground years and years ago. But then, of course, it's called Lake of the Woods because of all the thick strands of pines, boos and fir trees that filled the lake shores. So we're talking, what, the late 1800s or so? Yeah, when this first came to prominence. 17 was when Applegate, 1870 is when Oliver Applegate named it while building a road near the lake and a cabin on the Lake of the Woods. Absolutely correct. But then what was interesting, too, is that after the U.S. Forest Service public campground, in 1922, over 100 years ago, cabin owners organized the Lake of the Woods Recreation Association, Bill, with plans for a resort. They formed a company, put up dollars. It grew over time to a lodge, marina, two restaurants,

campgrounds, a general store. I've been out there like many of us, including yourself. Sure. But what happens is you didn't really have electricity until 1938, but different bankruptcies of the resort. And the reason is that you have this real dicey way where bureaucrats in the U.S. Forest Service and Jackson County goes ahead. And they have to actually, the Forest Service has to issue to some 200-plus homes. homeowners, if you will, basic resident permits to be able to stay there. Is that kind of one of those things where you'll have like a hundred-year lease for a few bucks or something?

Or how does that actually work? I don't need to be ignorant of it. I don't own a camp or a house there, but according to people I've talked to, it's one that depends on how fast the bureaucrats get around to saying, okay, it's time for you to pony up some money to get a permit to stay where you are. If there's a change in ownership, of course, you get a new permit, you have to apply for it. It's a very difficult type of situation because of the fact of, and I was, you know, would go fishing there, that actually the Newman Hotel Group Bill came to the rescue in 1998

after different owners over 30 years from the last bankruptcy. Yeah, there have been many, several bankruptcies over the years. Now, what about Camp Loecho? I know Campo Echo, that was something that the DeBoer is into buying that one. Is that a separate one from this particular group or not? Yes, but the key thing there, I happen to be on some nonprofits at that time, and Sid and Karen DeBoer, who are really wonderful people down home that are doing their best to help out southern Oregon in so many different ways. but in 2013, Sid and Karen DeBoer bought and rebuilt the Campnade named Low Echo. Yeah, I hadn't been out there.

I hadn't been out there for a while. And when I was out there, it was in the late 90s, and I had to tell you, it was not in great shape at that time. Oh, yeah, and that's the reason why it closed because it wasn't. And again, you have the situation of you have to go ahead and get permits. It's a messy situation where you get bureaucrats in there. But what Sid and Karen did was that they bought it, rebuilt it, and then they turned it over to the Aschland YMCA, donated to them some, oh, 12 years ago, to operate it. And so that is really cool. But what I've seen is, and I remember talking to the owners before the Newman Hotel Group bought it, and they said it was impossible to go ahead and get permanent.

that they needed to go ahead and make changes because, you know, bureaucrats, no matter where they are, just sit back, especially you have like it during the Obama administration. Well, also, you're, you're, I would imagine that the bureaucracy, the permanent bureaucracy of the Forest Service is probably not a big fan of the, of people either having their cabins in the forest or people having resorts on the land. Am I wrong or right about that? No, you're absolutely correct, because it also during the Obama administration, When Obama was running the Biden administration, you would have these problems.

And then Trump would come in and say, wait a minute, you know, they can go ahead and when did you do it? But I would never myself go ahead and I made that decision years ago that when I saw the problems that were there, I said, I'll fish there with my good friends, but I'm not going to get involved in way, shape, or form in terms of getting involved with a season. summer cabin. All right. Now, today, does the Newman Hotel Group still have this Lake of the Woods, or is it somebody else's now? Oh, no. And that's a good question as we continue on, Bill, because they had two people, actually, George Gregory, was in charge when the Newman Hotel Group owned it, when they bought it in 1998, in looking over where they remodeled, rebuilt the lodge of Marine. I remember seeing that new wiring and plumbing for its, it had its own cabins.

And then George Gregory, who managed the resort for the Newman's end, and then John Doherty, with others bought the resort, and they've been running it ever since. Oh, okay. So it's interesting, you know, what the Newman Hotel Group has been doing around here in Southern Oregon. Of course, the old Mark Cantony, of course, you know, taking that on, which was an incredible project, as you can imagine, how much work and money had to go. into that and you know in downtown ashland and then taking on this there was an article i don't know

did you catch that article in the daily courier from uh from vicky that vicky ended up writing about the uh the hotel in metford and how it's related to like the mark antony or the old mark anthony what's it called now ashland spring did you say that by chance i totally did and i started laughing because uh i had written uh fairly extensively about the ashen spring's hotel yes and they were going ahead and making comparisons with the one in Grant's Pass, and that had closed. And I was chuckling with the fact that they, it's a long type of political type of discussion. But I like the fact that they were going into history to put it into the paper. Yeah. And part, the part I, reasons for that. And the part I found interesting is that the same designer that designed the Ashland

Springs, you know, downtown, ended up. up designing the closed hotel up in Grants Pass, which has been closed for a number of years, and they're talking about where to go with it. And it's one of those situations where the Newman group, if it hadn't been the Newman group, who knows what would have happened to that downtown hotel in Ashley? They have, and I actually had talked with Doug Newman way back when before I came up from Santa Barbara and before he came up from Santa Barbara, they are a very good team. Doug and Becky Newman as to what they're doing. Over the time, they've been involved in many different types of renovations that we've even discussed with on the air. But what they're doing

now is that they're turning over some of these for outside managements. And they're going ahead and taking a little bit. They're still in real estate, still in the... Well, I mean, to be honest... Well, yeah, to be fair, though... Well, to be fair, though, you also have to consider that they're in they're 70s now. They're in a different era of their life, and it might be one thing to take on all of those hotel renovation-type projects when you're in your 50s, but maybe a little bit later on, you're looking for a different priority in life. Oh, I couldn't agree more on that certain point. I couldn't agree more, but on the other hand,

whatever they get involved with, they do it because they have the interior design. And if you look at the Ashen Springs Hotel, for example, you know, you can see where in that particular one, they really bought it at a tax sale, but they put in millions. Millions. Gosh. On inside and out to make it into the grand landmark that it is now. At one time was the tallest building way before the Newman's got involved that was between here and Portland. I think the saddest part of that Daily Courier story, though, was the admission that, you know, that the odds of turning the Grants Pass Hotel into something like what they did in Ashland

would be a very, very tall lift in that its value today would most likely be renovation for use as low-income housing, you know, doing it, that sort of thing. I'm kind of like, oh, man. Yeah, that's true because you see you have a different political environment that you have to negotiate here. Whereas before, when I first came up here, what, over 35 years ago, Bill, there was still restrictions, but if you take a look at what we have with the woke city council in Ashland and also with the woke Salem crowd, a much different environment, and they're going into other states saying, Oregon, you've been Californicated. Yeah, it's starting to feel that way more often than not, Doc. But anyway, it's a great story of what you have brought forth this morning on Lake of the Woods and surrounding properties.

and various other things. I'll post that up today. And if you can hang on, why do we go into the, well, the legal nonsense and everything else? Are you ready? It's amazing on that nonsense. And what you and I've talked about for years comes right in in terms of who a judge was appointed by. All right. I can't wait to hear more about that. Dr. Dennis Powers will rejoin me here in a couple of minutes here.

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the tales of different judges. What's going on in the lawfare world right now? Well, you can see that in a number of ones. One I want to go into, and then we can come into, you know, different decisions, including one that has to do with Oregon. The University of Colorado, and Colorado is where I went to undergraduate. I remember years ago that I would work with different people going into the legislature to try to get better rates for out-of-state residents to attend as to the tuition between that and in-state.

Well, what Colorado did at the University of Colorado was just, is really, really upsetting to a lot of alumni, is that Colorado 10 years ago set up a bill that allowed illegal immigrants to get in-state tuition, even if they are living outside of Colorado. All they had to do was to attend a Colorado high school for at least three years, have a GED, and then they could be living in New York. Now, this could be a little irritating, I would imagine. Irritating. It's just inflammatory.

For Colorado, especially for Coloradans who are actually been paying the bills all these years and were actually legally present and perhaps actual citizens, right? Yeah, absolutely right. And you see, this is where the Justice Department is suing Colorado to dismantle this biased law. And at the same time, you had a district court decision that came in where Chicago and our good old Prisker, that they had one that allowed Illinois to give in state tuition to illegal aliens. And regardless of their status and regardless of whether they were not only illegally here, but it created. a felony. And so what happens is that that was declared to be unconstitutional just two days ago. And it just makes sense because of the fact that you cannot take illegal, even if it's

the Democrats for power, over citizens. And yet the judges appointed by Obama, and then especially when he was running the senile Biden administration has just gone ahead and continued to do what they could to get more illegal immigrants in to be vote carriers, and that is the problem, and judges that are going against the Supreme Court in their decisions as part of the Civil War that is going on. So let me ask you then, because it's not just about in-state tuition and votes and and, you know, the SAVE Act and all the rest of it. One of the biggest problems that I've noted here as of late is that we have state courts

that are essentially an open rebellion against the Supreme Court, given that the Supreme Court is actually supreme over them. How does this happen? And what is the remedy against states, like Oregon, frankly, which I believe are in open rebellion against the United States? Yeah, and you see that, you know, the, although if I was actively practicing, I'd have to be a little bit different, but I can certainly call it as it is now not being an active practitioner. And the reason is that the Democrats and the radical socialist do a much better job than the

Republicans in terms of getting judges in that will never waver. And the reason is, is you can go into all these type of decisions and you'll find out that Obama went ahead and appointed them, or Biden did. And they are done because they are totally political syncopan. They don't treat the judicial appointment as anything but a political appointment, in essence. Oh, yes. Okay, now, I guess then, though. Also, they're going for promotions, and they'll go against the Supreme Court, which is everything that they're doing right now, this communist thrust that's going on, ladies and gentlemen, it's real. Yeah, I get that.

I guess my question is, though, is that the Supreme Court doesn't really have an enforcement arm, does it? It does, because the way the enforcement arm is, is that it makes its decisions, and then the way the enforcement is that the attorneys are supposed to go ahead, and the judges to go ahead and accept that. But what they're doing is they try to find one little window that possibly was not covered in the decision, and they take it from there. And also the problem is we are in a legal civil war that I've never seen in my life. Oh, I know.

I know. We are definitely in that la revolution, as it were. Now, my question, though, is can the Supreme Court sanction states and attorneys who are in open rebellion to what they've already settled in their case law? No. And you see, what they rely on is the fact that when it goes down to a lower court, they'll try to, who that goes the wrong way, it will be up really, again, for the petitioner to make an appeal up there.

But normally you're going to have to wait to have some of these judges are bananas. And the only way can get rid of them is impeachment. And that's a pretty high bar. That's pretty high bar, isn't it, impeaching a judge? Unfortunately, because most of us are being caught one way or the other in terms of all these different things. And then you had a recent decision that just came out by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals that had to do, just came out on Friday, two-to-one decision. And, of course, I was interested to see, you know, why it was two-to-one. But it was there where a 15-year employee with an educational, state educational group

out of Pendleton, had books in his office as an educational counselor that also had. he is he and she is she. In other words, he believes in that old discredited science deal about two genders, right? I'm being sarcastic as I say that. So one trans student, one out of all the people, made a complaint, got the Democrats, the social radicals in Salem to get behind to go ahead and to put an injunction on it. Well, that started fighting it just to show the book. and they warned him with their quote-unquote Oregon's bias policy, which is absolutely ridiculous.

But in any event, what happened, Bill, was the fact that when he then showed it to middle schoolers, they fired him, they being this educational group, the I-M-E-S-D, Intermountain Educational Department. Yeah, it's out in eastern Oregon is where that is. Yeah. Right. But what happened, though, was that in the two-to-one, I said, how in the heck with the decisions that you came up with, you'd get a two-to-one decision on what is really definitely covered by the First Amendment. But this is the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, though. We have to remember that. You always have to. It's one Obama appointment and one by Obama through Biden. When Biden was running it, it was two really very far-left. attorneys who did a very good job in terms of raising monies for the Democrats who voted

to saying that it was not a First Amendment case. I didn't even have to read it because... Oh, how could it not be a First Amendment case? Oh, because I'll tell you why. For example, the arguments made on illegal immigrant intuition. I heard the Colorado governor saying, these are residents. And as residents, they deserve illegal immigrants. Yeah, they'll define who a resident is, I guess.

But still, though, First Amendment, but it's still First Amendment. This is a school counselor, counselor over there in Eastern Oregon that has the he is he, she is she books out there and is fired. And supposedly there is no free speech. And even though what he was actually talking about is, scientifically valid even. But still, he's fired? I don't get it.

And it was upheld two to one. The reason is that you have judges who are appointed for their political affiliation. All right. Does this mean then that essentially is this more about just intimidating other school teachers in Oregon? And this is why? Because I have a feeling if this ends up being kicked up the... Which it will. And it goes to the Supreme Court.

The Supreme Court would, if the Supreme Court doesn't take this case, it's derelict, in my opinion, if the Supreme Court won't take it. The problem, Bill, is what all they're doing with the elections coming in is to continue pandering to their electorate, especially here in Colorado, where our joke of an administration, every week, I wait to see where else Oregon is going to be in, some type of controversy out of the 40 lawsuits that have been brought against the Trump administration that the taxpayers are paying as they do everything. They being our governor running for election will put out all these committees to investigate, but nothing will change. She just wants to keep her woke agenda and get back in and stay in.

Well, I guess they got to keep Kotech here. They've got to find some way. It's just the circling of the wagons. Dr. Powers with me this morning. Hey, Doc, let me grab a call here real quick. They may have a question or a comment on something we have talked about already. Hi, KMED. Good morning.

Who's this? Hello. Good morning there, Bill and Dr. Powers. It's the deplorable Patrick. And as long as we're talking about political corruption designed to establish, to take your money in mind, to establish our invaders, I've been wondering. for a long time where this La Clinica thing comes from. I think I'll count about eight of them around the valley. Now they've got a brand new modern bus that goes out and billboards out there.

Where did this come from? That's one of my questions. How did that get established? All of a sudden they were there. It seems to me they didn't start out with one facility and then do a good job and then get a second one. They were just there. I would imagine a big part of this. It's a nonprofit organization, isn't that right, Dennis, from what I understand, and probably just lives on grant stream funding and medical grants, right? That's an excellent issue that Patrick brought up, Bill, because I can remember being on a board in terms of the Ashland Community Hospital,

And we would actually allocate before all the problems came in with Asante some monies that would go into La Clinica because it's for low income, as Patrick's pointing out. But what happened is take a look at all the problems we're having with Asante because of the way that Salem is trying to destroy, actually destroy that hospital system. and La Clinica is getting all the funding. It's coming in from the state, and that's what is going on. They're going for low-income, and all the illegal immigrants that will come into Oregon are not only getting SNAP and getting all these different things, but we as the taxpayer are taking second place, and that's why people are leaving Oregon in droves. Thank you for the call there, Patrick.

Would you argue that essentially the state with its support? court of various nonprofits and NGOs are actually warring against going to war against the providences and the asantes of this state? Oh, absolutely. And Bill, what really got me was the fact that the Nurses Association, which is unionized, wanted to have, and this was an article that just came out in the courier, a 4-to-1 patient-to-n nurse ratio. You don't really need that. It could be more like 10 to 1. But what was buried in that article, Bill, was that the Oregon Health Association, just run by our beloved governor, had a total of $935,000 in fines against Asante, having to do with the way it was manning as it has a $50 million deficit projected for its 12-year,

for its 12-month fiscal year. And it doesn't matter who it's losing. It doesn't matter if it's losing money, you've got to provide it anyway. Well, yeah, look at the COVID lawsuits, these idiots. That's why you, if you see a Democrat, vote no. You see anyone against that Democrat, vote yes. All right. Thank you for the call.

Let me go to next call. Hi, you're on with Dr. Powers. Who's this? Go ahead. Oh, this is Paul Williams. Yeah, Paul. Yeah. somewhere back to eastern Midwest that she's, look for what she's going to be convicted, losing

her case on appeal, where she let one of the subjects go out of the back door. Yeah, the illegal aliens. She lost her career. She lost everything, didn't she, Doc? Oh, that's an excellent issue. But what happened was she should have gotten jail time, but the punishment was that she first resigned horrible conflict of events. interest and a $5,000 fine. She's free now to raise monies for the Democrat.

All right. What was your question about that? Did we cover it or something else? What does it take and who can initiate the judge? The people have to come against and in places where you have elections for that judge, you have to come together and vote against that judge. But the problem is that when one dies or something like that. You know, here, there's one that would be appointed by our beloved governor. They're in there. And then when you take a look, my friends, as to notice in your election booklet when you get that, there's only one person there that you can vote for. All right.

Democrat. Doc, I appreciate the call as always here. Oh, I think they're good calls. Yeah. Yeah, the one thing that I think that, you know, I really want to take away here, and I've been talking about this off and on here. I notice in the RV Times over the week. and elsewhere. This actually came out of the Oregonian. Silent surge of Oregon immigration arrest stirs community fears. And I just, it just leaves me gobs back because if your community is not illegally present,

then there is no reason to engage in fear. But I have been astounded, and I don't know if you have been too, and how what are the claims about the illegal alien community, if you want to call it that, is that they're not lawbreaking. And Daily Courier had an interesting story. He was very sympathetic that they did a couple of weeks ago going into, well, here's this person. And the part that was buried in the story was how he had been deported and come back four times. Four times, right?

Yeah. And we have eight USC 1326. Once you've been formally deported and you come back, again, it becomes a federal felony. and there are all sorts of extra penalties that they could apply to this gentleman, since I'm putting that in scary air quotes, when he came back here, they could put him in jail for at least two years. There are even other things if there was violence connected to him.

Now, I'm not saying there was. It doesn't appear there was in this particular guy. But this idea of the people that get deported and then come back are committing federal felonies at this point, and it very rarely, if ever, gets mentioned. Now, I understand why we probably don't want to charge him with felonies, because they don't want to put him in jail at taxpayer expense for a number of years. How do you see this playing, ultimately?

Well, I think that's an excellent issue. And the bottom line bill is that the media industry, especially the drive-by media, and no matter even here, there is a fear by those that write articles that, hell no, I don't want to have someone demonstrating against my house. And so they're always going ahead and giving patronizing pieces to illegal immigrants. And no matter where it is, one of the things I love is when you see a picture on one of the, let's say there's an online newspaper in Ash and there's also the courier, there's this and that, is that in there you'll see the picture of maybe 10 people saying rally decries killings by immigration and customs enforcement.

officers. There's 10. And so the problem is that we have newspapers and social media people that will not stand up because they do not want to have the far left social radicals, the communists, going ahead and demonstrating outside their home or outside their newspapers. Well, they're definitely punching above their weight at the moment, though, those radicals, as you said. Now, the final question I have here, go the other way. Yeah, the final question I have here is Douglas County. You may have read or maybe you didn't know about this, but Douglas County ended up doing a resolution in which they declare themselves a non-sanctuary community,

which they say, hey, we're not going to, we're going to work it with federal immigration law, and we are going to ignore Oregon's sanctuary state legislation. What are the odds of being able to, make that stick, do you think, legally? I think low in Oregon because Oregon has been so far moved to the left. And it's really looked upon as a joke by the other 49 states. And the reason is is that once our governor and her administration gets past the November 3rd election, they'll put unbelievable pressure on saying, well, you're not going to get any monies from us.

you're going to change your policy. But you see, they do it in such an underhanded under the radar way. And that's how Oregon has moved so far to the left. When I do – and I talk my friend with graduates and alumni and friends of mine from past places I've gone to. They'll just start laughing, even if they're a Democrat. So I just read this about Salem. Well, let me just ask you then one more question before we take off. Okay? And that has to do with, all right, you have the county, Douglas County says,

okay, we are no longer a sanctuary state. That is essentially going and agreeing with federal immigration law and federal immigration law would have supremacy over any state immigration law right then and that. Is there not a legal challenge that can be pushed using that as a theory? I know I'm just grasping in a straw with you here, but I'm just... Oh, actually, Bill, it's very bright and you're really right on. There's been over 20 lawsuits already brought by the administration in different states having to do with this conflict of sanctuary, of sanctuary states that completely are unconstitutional in the conflict that federal law is supreme. But the Democrats, the Democrats and the social radicals are doing everything they can to keep this under wraps.

But do they control the, but they control the judiciary, in essence, is what you're telling me? Oh, they control. They do control because of foreign shopping. Okay. Because the Democrats come into a place, which I learned in law school how you can do it. There's venue and there's all these other complicated type of citrus. But you forum shop to find out where you can get your Democrat judge who will vote the way you want to, and you'll sit on it long enough, get it past the election,

and then if you get 35 communists in there, baby it's back to town. All right. Very good. Even though that's not good, but thanks for explaining it, all right. Doc, thank you so much. I will be out next Monday and Tuesday on some vacation time right before the birthday, and so we'll catch you then in two weeks. How about that?

Well, congratulations, and enjoy. You work so hard to get some time off. Yes, I will. Out to the coast with me is what I'm going to do, okay? Have fun. Take care, Doc. We'll see you that.