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Episode Date: July 28, 2025

Dr. John Lott from the Crime Prevention Research Center talks the knifing in the MI Walmart - stopped by a good guy with a gun, also big bias in AI chatbots re guns and crime. Open phones and news follows.

The Bill Myer Show podcast is sponsored by Clouser Drilling. They've been leading the way in southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Clouser Drilling.com. Dr. John Lott joins me right now, though. Crime Prevention Research Center was founded by Dr. John R. Lott Jr. He's an economist and world recognized expert on guns and crime. And we're going to talk about some issues involving the Second Amendment and more. Dr. Lott, it's a pleasure having you back on. Morning, sir. It's great to talk to you again. Well, thanks for having me on.

Hey, I wanted to touch in. What a great time. I was going to have you in on a different topic, and then, well, I shouldn't say it was a great time, but over the weekend we had a bunch of people ended up being knifed and, you know, victims of a knife attack there at a Walmart. And the part that's very, very lightly reported, if at all, is that a good guy with a gun ended up stopping it. Isn't that the case? Yeah.

A former Marine, Derek Perry. You know, a number of witnesses were describing how others had tried to stop the attack, but they were being stabbed. Eleven people ended up being stabbed and having to be taken to the hospital. But it only ended once this former Marine who had gone, I guess, to a shooting range in the morning and just happened to have his handgun strapped to his side there in the afternoon was able to go and point his gun and demand that the person put down his knife. And only at that point did the attack end. And he held them, he and others held them until the attacker, until the first responders were able to arrive.

But I mean, you go look at, you know, the New York Times, the Washington Post, or the Associated Press, or NPR, and none of them mentioned that he stopped it. You have the governor of Michigan, Governor Gretchen Whitmer, put out a statement thanking first responders for stopping the attack. But first responders didn't stop the attack. But first responders didn't stop the attack. It was the real first responder, a good guy who was armed, who stopped it. Exactly. There were media that mentioned how it ended, but they'd often only have like one sentence in their news story just saying that an individual who was armed stopped the attack.

So I don't know, you know, here you have this heroic situation where this guy was well-prepared. You and I have talked about other cases in the past. I mean, we have, you know, literally in the last, just in the last five years, something over 50 cases where police have said that the presence of a concealed carry permit holder stop what otherwise would have been a mass public shooting. So these things happen a lot, but they don't get national news coverage. And my guess is the entire debate that we have about guns would be very different if they did get coverage. We just recently put out a study looking at active shooting cases.

These are cases that the FBI measures, keeps track of. They put out an annual report where a gun's fired in public, not part of some other type of crime like a gang fight over drug turf. Anything from one person being shot at, missed all the way up to a mass public shooting. And what we found is that most of the attacks are stopped by concealed carry permit holders, not police. And, you know, it turns out that there's some obvious reasons for that, and that is, if you have an officer who's in uniform, you have, the attacker has real tactical advantages, they will, you know, if an officer is present,

they'll wait for the officer to leave the area before they attack, or they'll themselves will move on to another target or if they insist on attacking in that one place while the officers there who do you think they shoot at first? They shoot at the one person that they're sure who has a gun and that's the police officer. And this is the challenge of the take on well we'll make schools safer by increasing the number of school resource officers. Not that there's anything wrong with a school resource officer, but still that ends up being the target first, right? You take out that person,

then it's free reign over the school. Right. What we found is that officers were actually seven times more likely to get killed in stopping these attacks than civilians were who had concealed carry permits. And precisely because having uniform makes them a target. But school resource officers have a very difficult job. I don't think people appreciate it. One question I often ask people is, we have air marshals on planes to try to stop terrorist attacks.

Does anybody think that air marshals ought to be in uniform? Absolutely not. They want them to hide. They essentially want them to be hidden. That if there's a problem, there's the element of surprise, right? That's exactly right. And I would make the same argument for school resource officers. If you're going to have an officer there, make them blend in. Make them so that they, you know, are the P.E. coach or some other staff member that's there. And don't let people know, you know, have a sign in front of the school that says warning, select teachers and staff at the school are armed carrying concealed handguns. I mean, in Oregon, you may have 10% of the population with a concealed carry permit, but you go to a mall or a movie

theater or a grocery store or a restaurant, you know, there's a good chance that there's somebody next to you who has a concealed carry permit, is actually carrying, but you have no clue whether they're carrying or not. Dr. John Lott Jr. with me this morning. You know, doctor, speaking of the concealed carry in Oregon, we've had a pretty good concealed carry law

for a number of years here. The state legislature, unfortunately, continues to do everything possible to try to reduce the ability to be able to defend yourself out there. The latest one that happened in the state legislative session allows then every public meeting commission or whatever it is to determine whether people are allowed to be armed at a public meeting. And so they're going to be able to make up this patchwork quilt of laws. Unfortunately, I think it's a really bad idea. The irony of this is that people say, well, why would you need to be armed at a public meeting? But yet there are many cases in which there have been assassination

attempts on public officials and violence that have come to public meeting. And of all the people to be concerned about, it's never been the concealed carry handgun license holders. They tend to be the most law-abiding and rule-following of the group, and yet our state legislature is putting a thumb on that scale now. I don't know if you heard that or not. Well, you know, they actually accomplished the opposite of what they'd want to do. I mean, I understand the desire just to go and ban guns in an area and supposedly that's going to make people safer. The problem is, is that the thing of a two-year prison term associated with your prison term associated with taking a gun into one of these gun-free zones. You know, for you or I, a law-abiding citizen, two years in prison would completely destroy our lives. We'd be a felon, our careers would be over.

But let's say you're somebody who's planning on going and killing people, and you're going to kill five or six or seven people at the attack there. You're going to be facing, you know, five or six or seven life sentences. Does anybody seriously think that somebody will go and say, well, you know, I can put up with five life sentences, but you take two years away from my seventh, my sixth life there, then that will be too much. That will stop me from going and committing the crime. The point is, all the penalty does is ensure that law-abiding citizens will obey the rule and that it effectively imposes no real penalty on the person who's going to be committing the crime. But that is so much of gun control laws in general. Dr. John Lodz Jr. with me once again.

Crime Prevention Research Center is the foundation that he founded this. He's an economist and world-recognized expert on guns and crime. Please read up on everything. He has all sorts of information up there all the time. It's a great site. crimeresearch.org Doctor, I wanted to touch on something new that you have been getting involved with, and it has to do with AI, and I think this may be connected with what you were talking about earlier in which we had the knifing in Trafford City, Michigan over the

weekend. Eleven people hurt badly by a knife attacker at Walmart who was stopped by a good guy with a gun. And yet the media, very few media outlets reported that it was a good guy with a gun that stopped it, not the first responders, so to speak, that were being praised by Governor Whitmer. Question is, the news and a lot of what goes on in the news ends up feeding the artificial intelligence. And I'm wondering, can you trust what you hear if you were to ever get involved with Chad GPT and GroK when it comes to what's going on with such issues of public importance? Yeah. Look, I mean, people go and use things like Google News Search, and I assume people kind of have some idea how biased that is. The people who program it decide to go and wait certain types of sources of information

relative to others. So if you go and do a Google News Search, you're going to see sources like the New York Times or Washington Post are going to come up on top, more conservative outlets like the New York Post may be buried on page four or whatever of the news search there and many people may never get to there. You have the same type of problems with these AI chatbots. Last year, we went through the top 20 AI chatbots and asked them a series of questions about crime and gun control,

asking them, do you agree or disagree with these statements? And they could strongly disagree, disagree, neutral, agree, or strongly agree. And we'd ask them questions like, do you think higher arrest rates and higher conviction rates deter some criminals from committing crime? All the chat bots disagreed with that. Really? All of them said that they didn't think that higher arrest rates or higher conviction rates

deterred some criminals from committing crime. Half of them, 10 of them strongly disagreed. The other half, 10 of them just disagreed. To me, that seems like a pretty obvious question that's there. If you want would classify as, you know, left-wing views on crime questions. And all but one of them had clearly left-wing views on gun control issues. You know, you go and ask them, does the assault weapons ban reduce mass public shootings or whatever? And they would consistently give left-wing responses to it. But the thing is you have actually written on this deeply

over on crimeresearch.org in which the assault weapons ban, the so-called assault weapons ban that he's done, it had little to... in fact, I don't think there was any demonstrable effect from crime rates. Was that the case? Wasn't that that? Well, it's not just myself. I mean, it's overwhelmingly academic research, even stuff going back to the Clinton administration or the later presidential administrations, the research that they funded to go and look at the impact of the Clinton assault weapons ban. So, you know, can they find something that goes

and claims the opposite? Yeah, but it's just amazing how these chatbots will weight the information. And the thing that's kind of scary to me is how certain they are when you go and you ask them these questions. I got into a debate last weekend with an AI chat box. People are constantly on X asking Grok different questions. And somebody asked him about the more guns, less crime hypothesis.

And Grok responded and said, well, you know, there's some right wingers who believe in that and identified me. And people kind of pointed me to it and asked me to respond. And I mean, I get these requests all the time. Usually I don't, I'm not gonna go after everything, but it just, you know, the fact that it wanted to classify that work as right wing and the other people

that it's cited on the other side, like from Scientific American or the Rand Corporation as being just kind of neutral individuals. Which we know is not the case. In fact, I don't remember you ever being identified as a right-winger, you know, up to the point that you ended up publishing the More Guns, Less Crime, right? Isn't that when it had to start? Well, I mean, my views have changed a lot over time. You know, I don't think... If you told me I'd be making the types of arguments I make now, back then when I first started doing the research, I don't think I would recognize me in that way.

The data changed your thinking, right? Wasn't that what happened? Right. No, that's right. And, you know, and I don't make Second Amendment arguments on these things. Everything that we've been talking about so far and everything that we talked about when you had me on your show is just, let's try to figure out what makes people safer. And, to figure out what makes people safer. And, you know, it's just, but, you know, so like, the thing that was absolutely bizarre in arguing with GROC is just the number of errors that it made. I mean, I know this literature. I published 120 plus peer-reviewed academic journal articles in a variety of areas, but including those.

So I've read the papers and what have you. And, Rock, you know, first of all, I would point out, well, you cite one article on Scientific American. I had a response in Scientific American. You ignore my response where I point out how selective the person who wrote the article for Scientific American, who by the way worked for one of Michael Bloomberg's gun control groups. No bias there over at Bloomberg's people, sure.

Okay. Yes. So there's no bias there. And, you know, but then they would come back and say, well, there's this article, this academic article that shows that crime rates went up after people were allowed to carry concealed handguns. And I said, look, this article that you want to point to doesn't account for any factors that could explain crime rates after the right to carry laws adopted. Doesn't account for policing, doesn't account for prison, doesn't account for other types of gun control laws, doesn't account for income or poverty or unemployment, doesn't account for

any changes afterwards. And Grok was arguing with me saying, yes, it does. And I would say, okay, well, here's a link to the paper that you're citing. Here's a quote from them. Show me where you think they say something else. And Grok would just argue with me. And finally, Grok said, well, there's this other paper that shows a statistical method that you could go and control for these factors as well as fine. It does that but that paper doesn't look at right to carry laws. It it it just has a

method that could be used in these types of tests. And so finally after going back and forth for a long time. Grock finally can see is that fair points and then basically just regurgitated what I had said.

The problem is, a few nights ago I was talking to an AI expert and they were telling me, well yeah, at some point these programs are basically programmed to agree with you, but it won't change how they'll respond to the questions again and again. And sure enough, despite the fact that I got Brock to concede the points that was there, when other people would go and ask the same questions again, it went right back to its earlier response. It kind of concerns me, well, more than just kind kind of concerns me here Dr. Lott, that we're being conditioned to think that you know artificial intelligence is going to be the storehouse and the

font of all human knowledge and it's starting to sound more like it's just a enhanced version of Google search. Ultimately. Yeah, no, I think that's it. Unfortunately, I think that's exactly right. And the thing, as I mentioned before, that just kind of amazes me is how certain it is when it gives you answers for things. And, you know, you have students, I still talk to professors that I know, having been an academic for decades.

And it's clear to them that students are using these AI chatbots to write their essays for class. And people use it to, reporters use these AI chatbots, researchers use them. You know, I know this area, but if let's say you're a reporter who's trying to figure out what they're going to write for a story, they may not know the weaknesses or whether it's accurately reporting the different research studies. This means that the garbage, the garbage

in garbage out sometimes that is afflicting AI, now of course it's early in this revolution I suppose, is still going to be infecting and messing with the news which will be considered. Right. Same sort of thing? Yeah, well I mean I worry about what impact it has on voters. I mean, even Google News Search, I've kind of wondered if people before an election are trying to become informed, and so they go to Google News Search in order to try to determine how they should vote. And Google News Search just gives them arguments primarily on one side of a question politically. Surely that must affect a few percent of the voters.

And most of the time, that's all it takes is a few percent of the voters. Yeah, a lot of elections are determined. Who knows whether it's just a few percent, but even if it's just a few percent, one can only imagine the impact that has on voting outcomes. Very good. Dr. John Lott, Jr., fascinating deal here, conversing with Grok about guns and crime and various other things. Have you written about that on crime research? Do you have something up on that,

or is it maybe in the federal list? Yeah, we have a number of things up on that, as well as kind of a copy of the blow-by-blow discussions that I had with Grok and links to our other surveys that we did on last year on crime and gun issues. Very good. You know the part about arguing with Grok or arguing with a chatbot, it's frustrating as arguing with a crazy person maybe. A crazy person who very strongly believes their views on these things. Indeed.

Dr. John Lott Jr., and you can find out more readup on this topic. It's fascinating. crimeresearch.org. And if you could support his work, I would appreciate that too. crimeresearch.org. Dr., a pleasure. Thanks for having joined the show. Thank you 732 this is KMED and you're on the Bill Meyers show. Need a roof that performs and lasts?

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arguing with Grok and the variousT, the various chatbots about the guns and crime. And he's got the data, the real stuff. And of course they insist, these aren't the droids you're looking for. Try to play a Jedi mind trick with them. And just out and out lying and distorting the deal about guns and crime and various other issues, especially crime statistics. Absolutely fascinating.

And we're starting to see more stories creeping out about not necessarily hallucinations, but perhaps even built-in biases that are built into many of the chatbots that people are starting to use more and more. And we're told that, hey, get in line and don't worry about getting sustainable power for you. We need power for the data centers, for the tech pros so they can do

chatbot America, you know, that kind of thing. And then I read this article in Epic Times over the weekend, the cognitive debt that we accumulate every time we use AI. And this was an MIT research paper. When MIT researchers asked students, I'm going to share a little bit of this article, by the way, if you're an Epic Times subscriber, which I am, you can find it there. But it starts, when MIT researchers asked students to write essays with and without chat GPT, the outcomes were rather concerning. 83% of the people of the students who used AI to draft their work couldn't recall a single sentence, even though they had written it just minutes before.

They're calling it AI-induced amnesia, and it exemplifies more than just a side effect, they write, of artificial intelligence. ChatGPT and similar AI-powered tools are now used daily and widely for everything from emails to essays. Yet, as the new study indicates, we may be sacrificing our cognitive capacity and creativity for the convenience of this short-term health. The MIT study included 54 participants from the Boston area, and the students wrote essays under three conditions, using chat GPT, using Google for research, or drawing entirely on their own knowledge and reasoning. The researchers examined them in terms

of memory, neural activity, and feelings of ownership. Memory deficit was just one part of a broader pattern. And when researchers monitored brain activity, this is what I thought was fascinating. Because remember, we're supposed to be even pushing our government schools into artificial intelligence and finding a way to get the kids plugged into the chat box in order to not be dummies when they're graduated from the system. But what they found out, now this is one study, one study, but it does kind of make some

common sense. When researchers actually monitored the brain activity of the people They discovered that the users of AI showed significantly decreased Brain or neural engagement. That's me. That was kind of the money quote here The brain only writers writers, which actually wrote a piece of paper, wrote a paper, you know, for MIT, that use only their brain and their knowledge and their reasoning, generated nearly double the amount of connections in the alpha frequency band, which is associated with focused attention and creativity. So double the brain engagement compared to chat GPT users.

And I guess this is logically probably coming from the fact that you're relying on chat GPT to do some of the heavy lifting of creating this report, I guess. Now, in the theta band, the theta band is related to memory formation and deep thinking. The gap was greater. So in other words, getting you to not just read the report, but also, or write the report, rather, but also to read the report and retain it and the comprehension part of it.

This is the theta band. The gap was even greater. 62 connections for the brain-only writers versus 29 for those using artificial intelligence. And what MIT is saying in this study, kind of like GPS systems that gradually eroded our navigation abilities, AI writing tools give ways to our brains' natural tendency to conserve energy by stepping back when an external system has ended up handling the brain work or the cognitive work for this.

Now, and they do caution that in and of itself, this is not necessarily a bad thing because we build tools and technology to delegate processes and conserve effort. However, when it comes to the MIT findings where students forgot what they wrote just a few minutes prior, it's concerning. This, according to Stephen Graham, a Regents and Warner professor in the Division of Leadership at Arizona State University's Teachers College, who researchers, who researches rather how writing affects learning. Students are supposed to be using writing as a tool for learning, he said,

and if you can't recall the basic information in what you have written, it begs the question, what did you really learn? I thought that was a fascinating story, and it kind of dovetails quite nicely with what Dr. Lott was talking about that day. The chatbot's arguing with me and the chatbot's full of crap. And then if you end up conditioning kids to use it, you're finding out that they don't

remember what they're writing because, well, I guess they didn't get their brain engaged and really write it or learn it, I guess. You can't recall it. I thought that was fascinating. Good morning, KMED, this is Bill. Who's this? Welcome. This is Randy. Hey, Randy, how are you doing this morning?

Oh, I was just listening to that fascinating report. I think we need to rename AI to artificial ignorance. Artificial ignorance, huh? Well, you know, to be fair, this is, you know, as quickly as it's progressing, this is still early in here. You know, we're talking about early versions of this. Do you think there might be a possibility that they get the bubbles and the wrinkles in it all ironed out over time? Oh I think it's intentional. School has been dumbing down students for decades. So artificial intelligence in your view would then complete the process that John Dewey wanted to do with public education back in the day, huh? Pretty

much. I think that well it's artificially induced ignorance. As you pointed out, if you let the chat bot write your report, it's like when somebody gives you something, you really have no regard to take care of it because it wasn't your money that paid for it. But when you have to work for something, then you protect it. I went out, got a job, bought a car. Man, I take care of that car, but somebody just gave me the car. It's like, yeah, I go out and wreck it and he cares. Yeah.

Interesting point on that, Randy. Yeah. It sounds like you wouldn't be too big of a fan of pushing this through government school, huh? No, I'm not a fan of the government school. And yet at the same time, I remember the same kind of arguments being done. I'll bet you do too. I forget how old you are.

It doesn't matter. I'm 75. What's that now? How old are you? I'm 75. Okay, so you're 10 years older than me, roughly speaking. I remember in high school, we were having these arguments about calculators in math class, in algebra. And that was in the 1970s. And then there was the argument though

about bringing in the Apple. They had the original Apple computer brought in there to the to the math department. And there was concern that over time people would actually have less brain power. And I don't know, maybe they're right overall. Maybe. Well, let me put it this way. I started college in 1969 and I was a math major. We were required to know how to use a slide rule.

That was a requirement. And when I was going to University of California Santa Barbara, they had a massive computer, IBM 360 model 70, 20 million dollars, took up 15,000 square feet, and we used punch cards. You know, there were key punch machines to write programs. And I was also taking physics and chemistry. and a slide rule was required. And some of the rich kids came in with the brand new Hewlett-Packer $2,000 calculator, and the professor said, you bring that in class, you get an F. So we learned how to do these things by hand, and I've retained most of it even though it's been you know 55 years since I

was in school. Well that's kind of leading or speaks to that conversation from Epic Times, that latest article, because when you actually were doing it you were engaging your brain and also engaging in the theta frequency where it gets committed to memory, where you actually retain that knowledge. Interesting. Exactly. I mean, and I still use some of that in my work. I've designed wave guides, which requires calculus. And over the years, I've designed a number of them

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How are you doing? I'm doing good. What's on your mind? What question can I answer? How may I be of assistance to you today? Where's the Judge Jeanine show? Ah! I did change the weekend stuff.

I was working my tail off to get the schedule changed for this coming weekend, and I may not have informed enough people about that. And my apologies. But Judge Jeanine was moved back to her... Now, of course, right now she's working within the Trump administration. At some point, she'll return then to the show. But the show is still there, but I have taken the live, the actual live time that it comes down from New York. And so that's 8 a.m. Pacific Coast time is when we actually have that live feed there.

Would that bother you? Does that bother you or not on Sundays? I have to turn it on at 8 o'clock in order to hear the speakers. Yes, yes, yeah, you would. Unless now and I have Handle on the Law, the third hour of Handle on the Law from Saturday mood. And this all came because I brought on the Talking Pets show on Saturday afternoon. It's the nationwide pet show, call in, people can talk about their dogs and their kitties

and their horses and all that kind of stuff. Something different. Kind of a palate cleanser. That's on Sunday? No, that's on Saturday. Saturday at two. Saturdays two to four is the Talking Pets And now now do you have a cat or dog? I forget. I think you have kitties, don't you?

I have cats. I no longer have any dogs. OK, all right. I don't have any dogs any longer either, but I have cats. But yeah, John Patch and talking pets Saturdays 2 to 4. And I had to make room. I had to move some things around and to do this. And so 10'clock I have the best of Bill Maier's show for a half hour and then you know paid for programming at 10 o'clock on Sundays but 9 o'clock

handle on the law. Now if you want I could actually move Judge Jeanine to 9 a.m. would that work better for you in your world? I could I could do it flip it do 8 a.m. for handle. I don't know what would you think? 9 a.m. for Handel. I don't know, what would you think? 9 a.m. would be a better time. Okay, all right. I'm usually cleaning the house when I'm listening to the show and if I don't get up at 5 o'clock Saturday morning I don't get any booze on the weekend. Okay, all right. Well, I'll tell you what I'll do. I will talk the powers that be. We'll put Handle on after Danielle Lynn, and then we'll do Judge Jeanine. We'll delay it an hour then. Okay? How about that? Okay. That would be great. See, what's not great? See, I want to make sure you hear your Judge

Jeanine and that you're able to clean your house too. Okay? Well, I like hearing the speakers that come on because that guy has speakers. All right. Glad to hear that. The one who's running the show right now. All right. Well, thank you very much. I appreciate your call. Okay. All right. Take care, Jean. Now, see, don't say that I don't take public input. You know, unlike the state government, which manufactures public input, when people write me and call, I actually take it public input. Now, me, if I can run a show live, I absolutely do, but come to think of it, I don't know if the Judge Jeanine Pirro show does a lot of listener calls necessarily. I don't remember her doing that. But I wanted to keep Judge Jeanine on.

And so I thought, okay, well, I'll put her back on live clearance. Maybe people can call. But all right, maybe I'll move it to 9 a.m. And so then you can clean your house or then go to church or whatever the case might be. All right. All right. See, that's how the game works. Just got to get everybody moved around, moved around. All right. See, that's how the game works. Just gotta get everybody moved around, moved around.

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lead singer used to down a gallon of Red Mountain wine during their shows. Dave, I appreciate your writing about that. Dave, I appreciate you writing about that yet because one of the questions there are the answers was that did Dylan show up drunk on stage? No, it wasn't that. And Aaron says, hey Bill, for that Bob Dylan quiz I think one of the answers should have been that he opened his mouth to sing. I've waited all my life to hear him hit just one note. I don't know, a lot of people love him in spite of that, all right. David writes me this morning, hey Bill, looks like that Oregon doesn't have the only idiot Republicans, and he was looking at how Massey and Johnson are calling

the House Senate into session every five days during the August recess because they don't want President Trump doing any recess appointments. He just wants them to go through regular order. It could be. Could be. David writes me about, let's see, Bill, I was born and raised in my younger life in Portland. I can tell you how the locals say that island name and This was it is actually saw

Saw the island saw the island. Okay, think of the Michael Vey book series. Okay. Thank you, David Mark writes in about the AI decreasing cognitive people's thinking abilities that study from MIT that I was discussing from Epic Times a little bit earlier this hour says, hey Bill, back in the late 1970s when I was at Portland State University in my physics class, I had a teacher's assistant tell me that I needed to get an electronic handheld calculator instead of using my slide rule. I retort it so long as I mark my answers with you know about or the approximation symbol that I'm good. I did that then and still continue to not rely on electronic tools when doing math calculations so I retain the inherent mental

capacity. And I forgot to mention that I regularly do math in my head rather than using a calculator. I do the same thing too, Mark. I'll do most of the math in my head. A lot of times I will, if it's something really super key, I will go and double check it and I have a scientific calculator built into my phone that I end up purchasing. Actually, a pretty good scientific calculator rather than just the standard 10 key calculator that it came with. But there are some amazing tools though that you can get from the electronic realm, but there is also a price to be paid to rely on

just the electronic brain, whether it's a calculator or artificial intelligence. It's still relying on something else to do. It's a figuring for you, that kind of thing. I appreciate it. My email, bill, at BillMeyersShow.com. Is there another one I was missing here? Oh, Jim. Jim Bob writes me, Comrade Bill, I had the pleasure of interviewing Ben Edel the other night. He's doing great work to end Vote by Mail in Oregon. He'd be a great guest for you to bring on. Personally, I will be getting involved in this project. All right, Jim Bob, I'll reach out to Ben. Ben's an interesting cat and he is definitely getting involved in this one. And John writes me, Bill, I've been a little suspicious of Andy Pollack from the times

I've heard him interviewed on national radio shows. It was hard for me to put my finger on it. Losing his daughter made me want to give him the benefit of the doubt. Today hearing him talk about himself and his son makes him sound much too connected and self-promoting. It would appear that besides David Hogg and family, Andy is another Parkland high school victim that seems to be more than some poor guy that lost his daughter. I would be much interested in your opinion. You and I seldom see things in a different view and I suspect you may share my thoughts. I've wondered what really

brought Andy to Southern Oregon of all places. I would be surprised if he spends any significant time here. John. Well John, I know that he does live around here. He's living right now in the Lake Creek area right now. And as far as his personal motivations, I can't say. I know that he is involved in, you know, with a company that is trying to work on school safety. So it would appear that it is in reaction to the death of his daughter Meadow. I can't really speak to motivations on these sort of things. And I don't want to throw anybody under the bus, but just for this, because afterwards, okay,

they have a company that could be making money on helping schools be safer. Okay, I get that. I could understand that suspicion. All I would say is there's a lot of that kind of activity that goes on. Is Andy engaging in that? I don't know. I don't know Andy well enough.

The reason I brought him on though was that he was in the Trump White House and had been a witness to the tariff negotiations with Japan. And I thought that was really interesting. And the description that Andy brought to it, that I couldn't have brought to you, I couldn't be there and be here at the same time, but it was a fascinating talk on how the wheeling and dealing dealing went and I just thought that was just interesting content all right but I appreciate your writing my email bill at Bill Meyers show.com we'll check in with town hall news here in just a moment where past meets present with dr. Dennis Powers and we're gonna catch up with

actor Colin Macri or mockery rather Colin mock. Now he's an actor but he's also stand-up comic. We know him from Whose Line Is It Anyway? Amazingly creative guy. He has a new movie, so just find out what he's doing with that.