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Episode Date: July 30, 2026

Morning news, Fauci, and justice? Kater a great takj with MIKE OnEIL from Landmark Legal Foundation who breaks down the Fauci hearing, and why he has a pardon but still took the 5th.

This hour of the Bill Meyer Show podcast is proudly sponsored by Klauser Drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for more than 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausor drilling.com. It is conspiracy theory Thursday. Good morning. Join the conversation at 7705633-770KMED. Do you want to email the show? Email bill of Billmyershow.com. Cliff ended up, you know, emailing me this morning about what the Oregon

journalism project ended up putting out about the state Medicaid spending. I'll talk a little bit about that. Yeah, I saw that one, Cliff, and he says this is another self-inflicted gunshot wound. We'll certainly dig into that. Yeah, I know the federal government back during COVID ended up just gushing, gushing federal dollars into the gullet of the state and the various counties and all these other things. And it's just astounding the fire hose of money that was poured down over everything. rained down on everything. And Oregon, of course, put every person with a pulse that they could in the Oregon health plan. Now the state is saying, eh, we're running out of other people's money.

You know, $40 trillion in debt. And we can't, you know, we're starting to lose the ability to write you hot checks all the time. And now the state's complaining. Yeah, what are you going to do now? It's okay. We'll just have universal health care because the voters went for that a couple of years ago. I guess we want a free pony too, for that matter. Speaking of COVID, though, yesterday, the big question for you this morning is that we had our political theater yesterday. We had our political theater. And, of course, it lined up just the way it was with Fauci. You had the Democrats that were either defending or doing everything they could to blunt the Republican attack, the pouncing, you know, all that sort of thing.

Fauci pleading the fifth, what, some 120 times, 121 times, I think, at total. Boy, you wouldn't want the take the fifth Fauci drinking game, would you? Boy, that'd be something. Yeah, drink a beer every time he said on advice of my counsel, I take the fifth. But is it really going to go anywhere? Let me ask you that question. I just want your opinion this morning. Do you think it's going to go anywhere?

I was talking about this on social media last night and just mentioning that one of the biggest frustrations that I've had, and I think a lot of frustrations that we, the people have had. I think this is something, you know, you could say this is bipartisan, you know, no matter who ends up being in office. In this particular case, the Republicans are more apt to defend the Republican president and the Democrats are more apt to defend the Democrat president. or the husky even as bad as Joe Biden was, et cetera. But, you know, we retreat to our corners, that sort of thing. And then you have something like Fauci who obviously profited handsomely by his COVID situation and his fame. And he was certainly, you know, focused on this. And he pled the fifth, rather, 121 times.

And now I guess they're talking about they might be able to charge him criminally. for contempt for not answering the questions. And the story is that once you've received a pardon, you can no longer not want to talk about what you did. And I want to try to understand that a little bit more. I just don't know how you can be compelled to testify, period, in the United States of America, land of the free. Not that I'm any fan of Fauci, because you know I'm not. Mike O'Neill from the Landmark Legal Foundation is going to join me after 630. We'll kind of dig into that issue a little bit, kind of into the, you know, the legalities of it. And I'm confused because some people are saying, well, once you plead the fifth, you can't go back and answer anything.

And that's why the senators were trying to get him to say, well, what color tie are you wearing today? And I guess apparently that's to try to trip up people. I'd like to understand what that Fifth Amendment really means. Because we're in the United States of America these days. Now, let me just preface. Let me restart my statement on this one. I thought that if you plead the fifth that you can pick and choose, and then I'm finding out that yesterday, according to Josh Hawley and others,

that once you plead the fifth, take the fifth, you can't then start answering questions. You can't pick and choose what you want to answer. And then other sources that I was reading saying that, well, yes, you can, but you have to be really careful about that. And I wanted to talk with Mike O'Neill about this. And I think the reason why it's good to understand the Fifth Amendment is that in the United States of America, in which whatever is not permitted is required, because that's the kind of society that we have unfortunately created around us, especially the administrative state sort of thing.

We all need to understand the Fifth Amendment because the way things have been shaping up over the last 20, 30 years of my life, and I don't know if you've thought this too, but it's turning a lot of. into a bit of that Stalinesque sort of thing like, well, present the man or present the woman, and then we will find the crime. And I remember Harvey Silver, is it Silverglade? I think was his name? Yeah, a famed defense attorney wrote a book a number of years ago called Three Felonies a Day. And then if you were really strict and checking out Americans and following, most Americans have, you know, commit all sorts of crimes every day, things that people don't even think about. And if you were to really follow them, more than Americans than you know could get charged with two or three felonies a day if they were followed enough,

which of course gives rise to this irritation over the flock cameras, right? And I know that the police departments and the sheriff's departments, they love that because it's a great law enforcement tool. But you can see how the people get upset about this in reverse saying, all right, in a world in which you could be charged with three felonies a day, we better start understanding the Fifth Amendment. You know, can we pick or choose, or do we have to, can we be compelled to testify after that or after a pardon? I mean, all these kind of things.

You know, to me, I thought that, you know, the pardon is absolute. And then, you know, you can't even force anybody to talk about it. But maybe that's not true. Michael O'Neill and I will discuss such things here in just a bit. But, yeah, he took the fifth numerous times. I couldn't help but think, though, is this just going to be the wash and repents, a repeat, wash, rinse, repeat sort of thing? Josh Howley seems to be the 2026 version of Trey Gowdy. Wouldn't you agree?

Remember Trey Gowdy with Benghazi a few years ago? Yeah. He was good. He was going after Hillary Clinton and just going in there. And remember how folks on the right wing like me, talk radio, rush. would be all, we'd all be going in and out of this, man, look at Trey Gowdy. Didn't he do that? Man, he really took it to her, really took it to her, right?

I remember visiting Washington, D.C., and I know you may have heard this story before, I'm going to say it again, but I'm visiting at that time. Congressman Greg Walden, and Congressman Greg Walden has me in the office, along with Linda. We're there, and he says, Bill, I want you to introduce, I want to meet my friend, Trey Gowdy, and Trey Gowdy was the it guy at that time. Trey Gowdy. and he was the one that was going in there and prosecuting that and going after Hillary and we're going to let, man, listen to those hearings. Wasn't that great?

Yeah. And then after a while, Linda and I were saying, what changed? Did anybody go to jail? No. Any policies will he get changed? No. So it's like public theater, public political theater. And what I'm wondering is that do you think that yesterday was public political theater?

theater, just the latest version of the Benghazi hearings, and that nothing will really change? I know you can't really prosecute Fauci. Maybe it was just all about embarrassing him and tarnishing the legacy. And maybe that's what it has to be done. The process is the punishment. Do you have any thoughts about that? Let me know. It is conspiracy theory Thursday.

That's one of those open topics I'm just going to leave out there. Is it just another Benghazi hearing? or anything really change? Will the soul, the black heart of the administrative state and the medical industrial complex, will it change its ways, do you think? That could be another question this morning. 770KMED, but like I mentioned, Josh Hawley, the Trey Gowdy of this year, as far as I'm concerned. That's not a knock because they were doing what they were. They were set up there to do the slicing and the dicing and do the processing.

and do the prosecution, along with Rand Paul, of course, Rand Paul. And that was really something. But is it really going to change anything? And that's what worries me if it doesn't change anything. If it doesn't change things, it really concerns me. There was one thing, yeah, we could go back there to re-prosecute Benghazi and Hillary Clinton and what was done in the skumminess of that particular situation. The COVID was a big deal.

there are people, millions of people who are still hurting and suffering from what happened. I had mentioned this before that, and I didn't talk about it during the actual COVID event because I knew that I could get myself in real trouble and make myself a real target. But there were friends of mine, and yours truly, we would purchase Ivermectin from the veterinary supply stores. And you could buy it legally. It's just the injectable stuff. And there were protocols for treating COVID and also preventing COVID by taking Ivermectin at that time. And it was pretty well known that not everybody was helped by it, but a lot of people were.

And then it got to the point where there was, you know, a friend of a friend of a friend. You know, people would get in touch with me. People would get in touch with my friends in Grants Pass and in Ashland. And there was kind of like an underground railroad. of people trying to help people who had come down with COVID, that the medical system would just send home with an oxygen bottle and say, well, good luck. In fact, that happened.

It was a husband of a, well, someone I worked with. No, not what I worked with, but I worked with within the industry. All right. Husband of one of these people called her up and said, babe, I'm dying. You know, I came down with COVID. I'm dying. And she was out of town on a convention or something like that.

And I said, I'm dying. And remember the protocol at that point was to put you on a ventilator and remdesivir. Well, this husband ended up going over to Asante, I think, is what it was. And they sent him home with an oxygen bottle. They said, well, it gets worse, you know, come back in here. And he called her up and said, I can't, you know, I can't breathe. It's just, it's getting worse. And so this person knew a little bit about the Ivermectin underground railroad.

And we ended up arranging, you know, all this stuff right then. Nobody charged anything. It was just something we all did trying to help the community. And to me, the whole thing about the Fauci protocols and the restrictions, you can't buy ivermectin, you can't buy hydroxychloroquine, nothing. Now, all you can do is have remdivir. and a ventilator, and then off you go to die. If that doesn't work, well, too bad, so sad.

Just the way it goes. You should have taken the shot. Of course, this still happened to people who took the shot. That's the irony of this whole thing. But, you know, back to that husband of the person I was telling you about, gets the Ivermectin, and within about three or four hours is feeling much better. It says, I'm going to make it. And then the next day he wants to go back to work.

that was what people were doing that was what thinking people were doing back at that time and that's what our hospitals were not allowed to do not allowed federal protocols actually have federal protocols requiring this giving you bonuses for diagnosing them bonuses for being on a ventilator and people died and people were maimed by it and so i understand the the just white-hot hatred and all directed at one guy, Fauci. But I don't know if we're going to get her satisfaction on that. I don't know if we can.

Because there were a lot of people that were willing to be his henchman and get those protocols in there and influence the Oregon Pharmacy Board to not fill certain prescriptions because, well, you're not qualified to get this. And then what was it the, was it the FDA or the CDC that did the sneering horse paste? Remember that tweet? The horse paste deal. Y'all not a horse. And so watching and listening to a little bit of the Fauci stuff yesterday, and it's 121 times of taking the fifth,

I just don't know if we are going to get true justice. But what would true justice look like in Anthony Fauci's case? Is true justice going to be delivered after he passes? I don't know. I can't say for sure. You always hope for it. maybe it would have been okay if he just said, hey, this is what we thought, and we were wrong.

I guess it would be helpful just to hear more people say we were wrong. 770K, Amy, this is the Bill Meyer show. Do you think we'll get any justice out of this, or is it just another Benghazi? It is Josh Hawley just merely the latest iteration of Trey Gowdy. The bad cop going in there for the kill, that kind of stuff. And by the way, I like Josh Hawley. but I've just kind of seen this movie before.

Maybe it'll be different this time. Maybe. This is KMED. The Outdoor Report is every Friday morning just past seven on the Bill Myers. Oregon E-DELs. Hi, I'm Deb with Father and Son Dori, and I'm on KMED. The reason I was posing the question of whether or not we'll get any justice for Anthony Fauci or any of the other people in that system, in that evil system during COVID time.

is that we get more and more frustrated that elite never really get punished in our system. I think we figure this out after a while. There's a certain level where, yeah, you could get embarrassed. Yeah, maybe you won't get invited to as many Capitol Hill parties, but still nobody really comes after you. It's rare that an elite really gets taken down in the United States of America. Just kind of my observations about it. and my concern about this is as more and more people figure this out,

whether you're Republican, Democrats, something else. I mean, this is a bipartisan kind of skumminess, really, that we have in our country. You get to the point that it gets hotter and hotter and finally when it pops. You don't know where this goes. And then, you know, do you end up going into that French revolutionary, you know, kind of thing, the terrors in which, you know, you get your, your leftist or your rightest revolution of some sort, a whole bunch of people, you know, start getting shot in the streets and vigilante stuff.

And you just never know where that kind of stuff goes. And that's why I've always thought it was important that people really pay prices when they do the bad things. Now, I'm not talking about the way it goes in China. China is almost the other extreme. As an example, if you are caught embezzling or doing something against the state in China, for the most part, they'll just take you out and shoot. you. It's what you know, I don't necessarily, you don't want to do this. But I worry where it goes

if elites don't start getting punished. And I don't know if that's enough punishment for Anthony Fauci right now, but let me go to David. David, you're here on conspiracy theory Thursday. Good morning. Hey, Bill. You mentioned hydroxychloroquine and I remembered one of the most disturbing stories from COVID was that to keep the emergencies thing active, they had to have no, no viable treatment. So they were responsible to disprove hydroxychloroquine or to prove it was dangerous. So they had a trial in Brazil, they're right in the middle of COVID, where these clinicians visited people in their home, and they administered 1,000 milligrams, which is one gram of hydroxychloroquine, which is like a hundred times the state limit, right? And they did, they gave these sick people one gram per day

until it bioaccumulated to like three grams, and they died. And so these clinicians visited these people in their homes and literally executed them. So it was a setup, though, to keep the emergency order alive, right? Right, right. They say, oh, hydroxychloricant doesn't work, and it's killing people. And so they, you know, the idea these clinicians going to houses and executing people was just one of the creepiest, you know, insight into what that, what that whole thing was like.

But also, I just wanted to say as far as Fauci, you know, I forgive Fauci. And the idea that, you know, any amount of justice. This is going to, you know, I don't know that there's a really a linear equation to justice or vengeance satisfying the mob. So I don't know. That's a long conversation, but I forgive. Yeah. But you concede my point, though, that the concern is that when the mob does go for vengeance at this point, when elites continue to kind of skate punishment, that's a problem, don't you think? Well, the mob knows what they know from Facebook.

and the mob, whichever mobs you're talking about, where they will do their thing when the time is right, whether it's Antifa or people worried about Antifa. And so, you know, that's all social media driven at this point. I think it can be turned on and off very easily. You know, people, people, for the scandals that they want people to know about will find their way, you know. Okay.

David, thanks for the call. Let me go to Francine. Hey, Francine. Welcome. Good to have you here. Hi, Bill. Yeah, what, you know, well, first of all, you know, you talk about, they talk about contempt of Congress.

Fouchy exhibited absolute total contempt for humanity for the people or normal people, you know, like us. And that's just undeniable was going on there. But the whole thing with the pandemic, I have a copy of the one of the Rockefeller news report or the report, you know, for I think it was in 2010. And in it, they're talking about creating a pandemic and how they can gain control of society, of the world, basically. That was certainly a dry run. They almost succeeded. Yeah, that's what this was all about. It had nothing to do with, you know, a naturally occurring illness and people really trying to find out how to cure it. It was all about control of humanity. And these are the people that want to eliminate, like, 95% of people on earth.

So given that, given that knowledge, given that knowledge, of course, a lot of people don't, I mean, you have to believe them not by their words, but by their actions. All right. So what does the justice look like in those kind of situations in your view? I don't know how to deal with the, is you talking about for Fauci or just in general? Well, Fauci and others. Because I don't know, really. I mean, you know, I can sit here and make my comments like I did the other day, like,

oh, he ought to be on a chain gang or something. But that's all just emotional response. But I guess the best that we can hope for is the embarrassment. I guess that's it. Well, and I don't think he's actually embarrassed. I think he is so full of himself by his actions prove that he just thinks he's like almost omnipotent. You know, that's what these people are like. All right.

Francine, I appreciate that. Thank you. 770KMED. Conspiracy Theory Thursday. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Good morning, Bill. It's Vicki from the Apple Gate.

Take it away. Give me a quick one here. All right? Okay. Well, first of all, I totally agree with Francine. I think this was a conspiracy to kill a bunch of people. And the fact that Fauci said, oh, I plead the fifth. You know, in most situations when people do that, they're guilty of something.

It could be something really bad. It could be something really little, but they're still guilty. Well, I'm glad we have it, but on the other hand, that is, you know, it is about making the state prove its crime against you rather than forcing you to confess your sins, as it were. Well, and the whole point is, is that if we can, if, I say we, but I mean, if he ends up getting in trouble, I'm, you know what punishment I think you should get? Gas chamber. I know that hiring can be challenging. need someone. Hang on just a second. Hang on just a second here. So, Gas Chamber. I'm sorry. I hit the, I hit a button accidentally out of nervousness. I think I was just tapping because of you there.

Gas Chamber. He killed so many people. I mean, they're always, you know, back in 16 and in, you know, 2024, they were. So you would go then to the crimes against humanity. Got it. All right. Thank you. Got a roll. Okay. Thank you very much. 635. I know that hiring can be challenging. You need someone to match your role perfectly. Well, now you can meet them fast. On ZipRecruiter. You're here in the Bill Myers Show on 1063, KMED.

Ask me no questions. I'll tell you no lies, the appropriate bumper going into this one from Fauci yesterday. Dr. Fauci under oath in invoking the fifth and landmark legal foundations, Michael O'Neill joins the show. Mike, it's great to have you on here. We're trying to make heads or tails or sense of this. How can you be pardoned and then invoke the fifth after the fact here? And I know that Josh Holly was getting into his face a bit.

Can you help us understand a little bit on this conference, this process, really? Yeah, fantastic question, Bill. I mean, they really are. It really is. It doesn't reconcile. It's irreconcilable. You can't recognize. the fact that he has this insulation from criminal liability, this pardon that's been broadly interpreted.

The presidential pardon power has been broadly interpreted as plenary. In other words, it's applicable. It's almost virtually unchallengable. Now, I have my own issues. I have my own pet theories about why someone could challenge the constitutionality of Fauci's particular pardon. But I think, generally speaking, it would withstand a lot of scrutiny. I think that there might be a little bit of exposure. but generally speaking, the consensus is that he has this pardon. He's insulated and has immunity from criminal liability. Therefore, he cannot invoke the Fifth Amendment, right? He can't invoke his right to protection against self-incrimination

because there is no criminal liability that attaches. So how do you reconcile the two? You really can't. I think what happens is because he's trying to have it both ways, in other words, not really explain the fact that all of his diaries are inconsistent with his public statements, right? He was saying one thing in public, all the mask mandates, social distancing, keep kids out of school, vaccines, et cetera.

The parade of forables is just unendless. You can't reconcile his diary entries with his public statement. And I think he wanted to try to preserve some modicrum of self-respect for himself by not answering any of these questions. So he hid behind the Fifth Amendment, which I think is, again, legally irreconcilable and does expose him to contempt of Congress charges. Now, again, whether there's any teeth behind the contempt of Congress charges is one thing. But I think certainly that is a federal law. And so there is some exposure there because you can't reconcile the two things that we're talking about.

So I just want to be clear, though, being in contempt of Congress, is that a serious thing? Or is it just kind of like a process charge of some sort? I mean, it is semi-serious. I think it's a felony. I mean, there is some teeth behind it. But again, how often do you ever actually see anything here? But on that, on that, that being said, I think there is some political will here. I mean, the damage that Fauci orchestrated was part of, I mean, the point person of is immeasurable. I mean, everybody has these stories from the COVID-19 era of all of the horrible effects. We're still suffering, right?

I mean, you see kids now, I mean, young people who are children back during six or seven years ago who are still suffering the ill effects. I mean, think about this. I had a personal friend whose brother was dying of pancreatic cancer. and he couldn't even see his brother. So everybody has those stories. The damage is immeasurable. So I think there is the degree of political will for some sort of accountability. Look, I think I kind of want to illustrate this, the legal process here. This would be like, remember in Godfather two, Michael Corleone was testifying in front of Congress. Now, he was testifying, he was testifying in front of that congressional hearing, and he wasn't answering the question. If Michael Corleone

had had a pardon, he would have had to testify. He would have had to answer the questions that were opposed to him. And he didn't. And if he didn't, he would be subject again to some sort of contempt of Congress. So kind of envision it that way. I kind of like to think about it in that term. Now, I think, again, Fauci might have some sort of accountability. I think that a lot of the people in this country are calling for it, that there needs to be some sort of accountability for this. And I guess the congressional, the contempt of Congress charges is a possibility. Is there anything that could be done to him outside of this? Could people attack him civilly if they wished to. Yeah, I'm skeptical about that. I wish there was, but again, he was functioning in the

context of his position as a high-ranking federal official, and I think that there's immunity that attaches to that. And so when he's functioning in his official capacity, you can't sue him in his personal capacity. I think that's fairly well settled. The best line for accountability, I mean, I think there's some public accountability here. I think his PR image, his image in the eyes of Americans, has been irrevocably damaged. I think that in and of itself is an important. thing, considering when you read his diaries, you see the extent to which he wanted to cultivate this public image as America's doctor. So I think that there is some accountability in the fact that his PR image has suffered immeasurably. Next, I do think, I mean, again, we'll have to see whether any of these

whether Congress is serious about the Republicans on the committee surely seemed upset yesterday. I mean, based a lot on their statements and whether there's a referral to the Department of Justice and an investigation remains to be seen. That also being said is, and again, I might have talked about this earlier, Bill, with you. I do think the pardon is vulnerable. I mean, I think that if you look at Biden's execution of the pardon, President Trump a little bit poopoed this, but he left the door open a little bit by saying the auto pen issue, the fact that Biden didn't physically execute the pardon, that Biden was probably unaware of the fact that he actually issued the pardon and the fact that the pardon covers this broad swath of time, 11 years for anything that was not a specified

any kind of specified offenses in the pardon. I think that makes it constitutionally dubious. And I've long posited that an aggressive federal prosecutor should seek charges and actually try to indict. Fauci and see whether that indictment sticks and make the Supreme Court actually rule on the issue. I think that would be obviously the ideal situation for holding Fauci to account. But again, I'm leery about whether President Trump would want to go down that road because he doesn't want to delete the value of the pardon power. Let me ask you before you take up. Is it time to reform the pardon power, though? One of my concerns here is that when bad things can happen to society when elites don't get punished, but they get pardon, in my opinion.

Yeah, that's tough. Again, this is a constitutional power that's vested with the president via Article 2. So it would have to be incumbent upon the Supreme Court to delineate some limitations on it. And now, again, that's kind of the hypothetical I was giving you. And I think this would be the test case, right? If there are any limitations on the President's power, the Article 2 pardon power, and again, this is kind of universal. recognizes his most powerful power under his executive authority. But I have to believe, Bill, that there are some limitations to it, right? We don't have unmitigated power in our Constitution.

The entire structure of the Constitution is based on checks and balances. So I think you make a very good point with this. And this would, in my perspective, in my position, my opinion, would be the ideal vehicle to bring this. I mean, think about this, right? This is a man who's orchestrated immeasurable damage on the country. I think there would be some political will there. Again, I am a little bit reticent because I think President Trump doesn't necessarily want to dilute that power because he said, look, Biden exercised it this way. I want to have that power for myself as well. But I think it would be a great test case to figure out the limits on it. Yeah, and I've had questions of many of the Trump pardons too.

So maybe that's why everyone's trying to keep that in their back pocket. Michael O'Neill, I know you've got to go, but thank you for a few minutes this morning on that, okay? Be well. Thanks, Bill. I appreciate it. Have a great day. Thank you. Mike O'Neill, landmarkleagel.

org, landmarklegal.org. You can read up more on that. Rule number one, if you're looking to sell a home, choose a local real estate agent. Hey, it's Lars. And why? It starts with an overall knowledge of the area, but even more important. News Talk 1063, KMED. This is the Bill Myers Show. 10 before 7, conspiracy theory Thursday. Good conversation this morning. And of course, Fauci, top of the fold here. because there's that, I think there's that knowing that the odds for real justice for him are pretty slim, don't you think? But if there was justice, what do you think it would look like?

Do you think we will get justice? Will he get justice in this life? Or is it only in the beyond? I don't know. My precious. We go to Chris. Chris, good to have you on here. Everybody has a story about COVID time like Mike was talking about.

What was yours? Hi, Bill. Hi. Hey, so Doug Devine was a prominent person with a civic survey right off of, oh, 99, wasn't it? Yeah, downtown. Riverside. Yeah, Riverside, yeah. Yeah.

But he passed away in the hospital, and we were trying to get Ivermectin to him in the hospital. But he was a millionaire, and he was a friend of a CPA that I know. but we tried to get ivermectin in there to him but yeah they wouldn't let us in to get it to him anyway i wanted to say that it was an interesting exchange that chris stagall said this morning about trump he commented on he was quite fierce and about what he had to say about what trump said about Fauci was not good enough. And what Chris DeGall said, I couldn't have said it any better. I mean, he really...

Oh, that's Larry O'Connor. Yeah, Chris is gone now. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Larry Connor this morning. And it was right on, man. I tried to call in at like 430. What did he say, though? I must have missed that.

What was it? Because I was just busy doing my own thing here. Well, I know. But I don't know if you can get that. that pre-recorded. Well, yeah, but just, can you just relate what he said, though? Can you do that? Well, he just, he basically said it wasn't, he really said it wasn't good enough because

because Trump said, well, there was less death under his administration than under Biden. But Chris de Gaulle went into it that Fauci was, you know, he was going behind the scenes and going around Trump and making, making, basically, making enemies and going to the media and going to the Biden team, already knowing that Biden was going to be in office and made a big to do about it. And he wanted to get around Trump. Because Trump wanted to shut it down after like 15 days. All right. Now I ask you, what does it look like? What would justice look like? Justice will look like, okay, so an employer is called respondent, superior. And so like the other guy said, there needs to be a vehicle for this.

delivery, an employer in Latin, an employer, like if you're a foreman or a superintendent, you are responsible for the sins of your employees. So, Fauci being head of the, of his whatever. His agency, yeah, yeah. And all other people are not, are not pardoned. So they're on the hook. So he is on the hook for them. Okay. All right, Chris. 770KMED. Hi, good morning. This is Bill.

Who's this? Good morning, Bill. Hi. It's wild salmon. I get it, Steve. What's going on? Okay. I've been reading another book, another Jonathan Turley book called Rage in the Republic. I think we're at that moment. Well, that's kind of the point.

It's an excellent book. I really recommend it to people to understand what can happen. Because we're to the point where people are talking about voting for communists. And, you know, it's been... In reactions to the evils of the system and the shortcomings of the current status quo. Absolutely. Absolutely. But it's not really a solution. In fact, that has been the downfall of many governments. Because a unicameral Congress, meaning that there's just one group of people.

people who are supposedly democratically elected, they have too much power. And as Dr. Fauci, who had too much power, that explains exactly what can happen and probably will happen, because there's factions within the Democratic Party factions within the Communist Party. Then the factions start warring, and that's when the terror starts. So, you know, look at history. Look at things that have happened. You know who Thomas Paine was? Yes.

He started the – he was instrumental in starting the revolution against Britain by writing a pamphlet called Common Sense. But he was a believer in true democracy. Yeah. In fact, I'm glad we didn't get a – government the way Thomas Payne envisioned it, although he was part and parcel of getting the revolutionary, the revolution kickstarted, really. Yeah, his idea was democracy, the Athenian democracy, and he was happy that we didn't

get it. So he went to France, and he was instrumental in the French Revolution, and he himself almost got guillotined. Yeah, he was definitely, he would be probably a member of Antifa today, if he were around That's right. So I really recommend this book, Rage in the Republic, because you want to be careful what you ask for. And it goes through the formation of the United States. After the revolution, there was a period of time when we basically had no government. Philadelphia tried having just one branch of government. They almost killed the whole population because they had. had like committees that made decisions about what you could say and not say.

And when the Constitution was finally ratified, that all was calmed down. You know, the one thing I was going to mention here, Steve, before you take off, is a lot of the damage that Fauci did here was because of the top-down management of the American medical system and the fact that the federal government ends up paying the bill through printing money for so much of the medical care. And so it essentially says, well, we're the ones that are paying a lot of this one. And, you know, this whole idea that there are just nationwide protocols from down, you know, from up above. It was almost like the fixes in.

All it takes is one bad guy, one bad person, one bad protocol in charge of the country. And then many have to die or be maimed because of it. Well, does exist. And, you know, it doesn't, you don't believe. You don't have to believe in evil, but evil does exist. That's a pretty good record. Yeah, I get it. Well, thanks, Steve.

Yeah, this whole idea that, how many years have I been complaining now that doctors are no longer allowed to practice medicine. Doctors are allowed to practice protocols handed down from CMS. What was that, the Center for Medicaid Services or whatever it is? You know what I mean? Everything's from up above. It's like, well, you know, you're only allowed to do this. We will only pay for that, et cetera.

Yeah, we'll pay for remdissevere, but no, cheap Ivermectin, nobody wouldn't do that back during COVID. Hi, good morning, KMEDE.D. Who's this? Welcome. Yes, Brother Louis. Hey, Louie. Welcome. You know, I was going to call in and talk about my mother-of-all conspiracy theories is that it's really all about just keeping us in endless wars. and sure appears to be true. We get these wars that get started on some kind of a flimsy.

Well, to your point, now to your point here, Louis, Louis, Louis, Louis, Holy, before you continue on, to your point here, now look at the accusation is that China is involved in the Iran situation by handing over the manpads, giving them to Iran. And so watch, rinse, repeat. What starts off is just a regional conflict, ends up expanding. Yeah.

And there seems to be no effort being made to nip it. And I mean nip it soon because this could be World War in intensity, given enough fuel being put on this fire. Yeah, you're absolutely right about all of that, really. It's, it's, it, there's, there's never anything holding back. The war's getting deeper and spread further. And, uh, and I think that, you know, they're trying to evolve, uh, Ukraine and they're trying to merge the two wars.

Yes. Somebody was. Yes. And, you know, and behind it all is the effort to control the world, really. And the money system is what enables that. It enables a certain, you know, there's what we'd call a financial elite. You didn't happen to get the little email like saying you yesterday with the chart on it about how war affects. our national debt and our debt to ratio with, you know, the debt with the productivity of the

country. Yeah, I did receive it. I've not, you know, like I said, I have a lot of things I have to read every day, so I have not had a chance to digest that at this time. Either way, I'm not really ready to defend the whole theory of endless war, endless debt and being totally tied together. But I'm working on that because I'm even going to do a class in it. I'd like to hear more about that. Now, the thing is, Louis, when it comes right down to it,

that's the reason, I think people, a lot of people have figured that out, endless war, endless debt, right? And here, and of course, the thing is, is that the elite never sacrificed for this. The sacrifice is always demanded of the regular schmo. The elite, and or bankers, high finances, you know, the, well, you know, the tech bros, as an example, standing on stage with President Trump a number of months ago, you know, all these same sort of things. They don't pay prices for these kind of things. They don't pay prices for the inflation because for them it's a rounding error. And they're always telling us, well, the sacrifice is worth it. The sacrifice is good. But the sacrifice never involves them particularly. And this is what ends up leading to this rage. And then,

the push, well, capitalism is the problem. So communism, let's do communism, brother, Louis. Huh? Well, yeah. And it's a seductive thing because it sounds like real democracy, you know. Communism sounds like sharing in the prosperity with everybody rather than just having an elite class getting richer and richer all the time. Yeah. Thank you for the call, as always, Louis. 770KM.D. It's Conspiracy Theory Thursday. Good morning. Who's this? This is minor days. Yes, Dave. I got two things to say, one.

Yesterday I got a call saying I won a car and $5 billion. Okay. Yeah, Dave, I'm sorry, your phone's out. We'll have to try to get a better signal. Sorry. Hi, KMD. Good morning. Who's this?

Hey, Ron, here in Medford. Hi, Ron. Hey, as far as South, he's concerned, yeah, he was never prosecuted for the whole AIDS epidemic, which he was behind. So he was the perfect candidate to roll out the pandemic. So as far as him being prosecuted, it's probably not going to happen because bureaucrats, well, he was the highest paid government employee at the time, if you can believe such a thing. So he's embedded deeply.

And people like him and Gates, they'll walk around laughing at us the whole time. The biggest transfer of wealth in history, all mom, pa stores got shut down, targets, Walmarts, Costco's. They grow. Their stock almost doubled. And once again, that speaks a lot to that appearance of the fix being in. And Ron, and I really do fear for the Republic for this reason, when the elite aren't brought down low by their behaviors.

because it tends to drive that revolutionary rage that Steve was talking about a few minutes ago. I think it's being promoted by both sides. They're working together. Trump could do a lot if he had the will to. But like I think a previous caller said, he wants that power for himself and his family. They're getting very rich right now doing the exact same thing that Biden was doing. And that is an uncomfortable truth of the Trump administration, too, that not a lot of people want to talk to, talk about, because it is very uncomfortable, as you would imagine. Well, it's my team, my team.

It's just like I'm a duck fan, so it doesn't matter if the duck's cheek. I still love the ducks. I still love the ducks, and the duck was still better choice than the beaver, right? Yeah. All right. Hey, good call. Appreciate that. We'll continue the conversation.

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