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Episode Date: July 30, 2026

Open phone topics, emails of the day. later Nick Smith from the American Forest Research Council draws a connection between some wildfires and Gang Green lawsuits shutting down forest management projects.

This hour of the Bill Meyer Show podcast is proudly sponsored by Klausur drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for more than 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausurrilling.com. Now more with Bill Meyer. Nothing to talk about this morning, but we'll talk about it anyway, right? I'm just having fun with you. You know, 7705-633 on Conspiracy Theory Thursday. And one of the questions in play, do you think we will get justice for what was done to the

people. Kind of a bubbling rage from the Republican side of the aisle and the Democrats when it comes to Fauci trying to defend their golden boy, as the case word. I'm trying to figure out that why would the Democrats want to defend Fauci, though? Why would you want to defend him? Other than what? It's perceived as a Republican win, just the tribal? I don't know.

Michael, good to have you on. Welcome to the show. What are you thinking? Well, you know, I'd like to see some justice, but I don't think Fauci's where we're supposed be looking for it. I mean, he didn't create the vaccines that did all the damage. And I don't think there was a COVID-19. I think that was a failed attempt that, but they didn't, it wasn't ready or whatever. I think the flu was just misdiagnosed. That's what I think. But I don't know. Oh, okay. Well, I can't necessarily agree with you on that, but we will gently disagree.

What else is on your mind, though? You said there, was that the conspiracy or was there something else you wanted to add to it? Well, I'd just like to finish up with, I think, should see Alex, Alex, what's the guy, the wiser guy, that's who we should be talking to. Anyway, I do have a conspiracy, interesting conspiracy. In my conspiracy theory, and that's all it is, say like a handful of very rich individuals get together somewhere in the world, and they decide to create a little kill-bought farm that's, you know, going after these people who want to kill us off. So I thought it was pretty good movie thing or something. So you think that wealthy are going to kill the people trying to kill us?

So are you talking about like some white hats? Is that what you're thinking? Okay. So right now the elite are building these kill bots, right? Oh, okay. That's what they're doing you think right now. This is the theory. Okay, now I understand.

I got to follow you, Mike. They're not like hiding it or nothing. But yeah, they're building these little, you know, assassin drones. basically what they are. And so there's this group of rich people that got together and decided to make a list of names and create their own little army of bots. And so it gets triggered on certain things happening across the globe. So it keeps these people in check.

And anyway, it's an interesting script for a movie. I don't know if anybody's gotten the money to make it. Coming to Netflix soon, Michael. Appreciate the call. And if there's a white, evil person at the head of it, it'll be turned into a black person, right? Because that's what Netflix does with everything. Everyone has to be black in the starring role, I think. Well, no, maybe if it's evil, though, then they'd let the, if it was an evil character,

they'd probably let the white guy continue. Yeah, could that be it? Hey, Gene. How are you? Welcome. I'm doing pretty good. Good, Gene. What's up?

Well, going back on Pouchy. Take away his money and take away the right for him to have any profit whatsoever from the experimental drugs. I know that, I don't know if he got profit from the experimental drug, but he seemed to profit handsomely from many other aspects of this. But, of course, I've got to tell you, Gene, that seems to be the whole racket for everybody or so many people that go into government service there. relatively of modest means when they become a government servant, so to speak, and then they end up doing very well indeed. Well, nothing you could do to him is make him take care of the animals without torture them. To me, that would be a, you know, some justice for the beagles, in other words, the ones that had the

sand fleas biting their faces off, right? Yeah. Yeah. Well, he loved torturing animals to death. Why not make him take care of him without being able to harm him? All right. Having Anthony Fauci yarding out the excrement at the animal shelter, maybe that would be an interesting way to sentence him for the rest of his days.

I like the idea, though, of attacking pensions. That's kind of my favorite thing. Hit them where they really hurt. Of course, I'd like to do that for a lot of people. Heck, I'd like to take pensions for some Oregon state workers, too. But we digress. Back to the phones. Hi, good morning.

Who's this? Welcome. This is James and Selma. James, hello. Yeah, I wanted to speak on like World War III. It seems like we're headed that way. I think it's the Federal Reserve versus the BRICS nations, China, Russia, Iran, Brazil. But what I think is, like, we went after Saddam because he was trading oil in Euros.

We went after Gaddafi in Libya because he was trading the gold. Yeah, anything that was about stepping away from the dollar system ended up getting you a sword up the behind, so to speak, right? Right. Like China's wanting to be gold-back currency traded amongst other nations instead of the Federal Reserve dollar and treasuries. And I think our new system is going to be the presuries. They call it the table coin. Oh, yes, yes. and they're looking at this as a system. I don't understand it perfectly, James.

I just know a little bit about this from what I've read probably like what you have read. And I don't trust the Chinese gold. I don't trust any government honesty in either policy. And I think to keep the U.S. population, they're going to have universal basic income to keep us all quiet to us. subdue us. What do you think about Musk? Musk was actually talking about that the other day, and he was discussing this with the economist,

the Economist magazine, and he said that within five years, AI will essentially take over and run everything, and that everybody would have to be on a universal basic income, and it would have to be large universal basic income in order to

make it pencil, to make it work, to keep people quiet. Do you think people would be all right with that if if AI if you know the computer mind just ended up taking over the world and then the government's really in essence don't matter any longer what do you think about that I but I think that there's always going to be the barter system so you you have your universal basic income then you barter whether you got beans bullets or whatever but sounds terrible to me Either way, I have no idea. Yeah, you know, it gives me pause, too, when you think about something like that,

one of the, everybody in life, everybody in life, everyone who's alive, though, to an extent needs something to live for or something to strive for. And the concept that Musk has been talking about in which he says, A, I will get so big, so fast that it will essentially displace humanity and being control, being in control of most of the systems there. Of course, I don't know, is that, I know they talk about, well, people would just be living on universal basic income, but then wouldn't you think at some point the AI would say, you people aren't really necessary.

We don't really need you. I mean, really all yours, parasites on us. Wouldn't that be something? Right. They need to roll out another pandemic to, yeah. It's a lot more than Hal into. 2001 of Space Odyssey just shutting off the airlock or whatever it is or blowing the one astronaut out the, you know, out the spacecraft back of the day.

Yeah? No, I think we all need something to work for and a goal is in life. And I think we need to teach that to our kids, too. All right. Thank you, James. 770KMED. We're kind of musing on everything from Fauci to AI to universal basic income to what does justice look like for the little squid? I don't know. Hi, good morning. KM.D., who's this?

Welcome. Yeah, good morning, Bill. Terry. Hi, Terry. Well, a couple of things. I think Fouch, he looked very uncomfortable, which was a good thing. Now, let me ask you, though. Oh, go ahead. What's that? Is making him uncomfortable or embarrassment? Is that punishment enough, or where would you see this going in a proper world? Well, in a world, a perfect world, he'd be in jail already. but, you know, and I don't know if you guys talked about it, but he, because I didn't hear the very beginning of the program, but he has a full part, so he can talk on a lot of this stuff, and he won't get in trouble. But I get it. He doesn't want to make himself look like a criminal, but that's another thing. He could answer these questions. He can answer these questions fully and honestly, and then, in fact, the only thing they could get him on is if he lied about what he did, really. They could still get him on a new perjury charge if he were to perjure himself right now, the way I understand things.

Well, that's why he had a gaggle of lawyers behind him, too. And then also, I don't know if he used to watch all of it or some of it, but, you know, they also pointed out that this guy used his staff to apply for all these awards for himself. He's a real narcissist, too. He's a disgusting human being. I was reading a book from Niels Grubilius, you know, the last lawman. I talked to him every now and then. And he talked about how, in his opinion,

sociopaths end up being in psychopaths are manufactured to a certain extent. And I thought it was quite interesting that when people get away with a little bit of bad stuff every now and then, it ends up growing that personality. And, you know, he got away with it back during AIDS. Remember that? Remember the talk about what he did with AIDS?

He got away with it, kept his power, kept getting these rewards that kept building and building for his sociopathic behavior. And it just ended up expanding upon itself. Too much power is not enough power. So that's what these guys wanted. Yeah. Yeah, it's really sad. He was a manufactured product, really, of that system. Thank you for the call.

770K-M-E, 723. Hi, this is Bill. Good morning. Who's this? Here. Hi, Ranger. Yes. If Agenda, if Agenda 21 was an attempt to bring in the One World government, was the COVID vehicle to implement this one world government. In retrospect, it is certainly looking like that, Ranger, isn't it?

It's just a question in my mind, and it's a possibility. I think that it was an attempt. It was certainly a dry run. And I don't think it was fully successful. Thank goodness for humanity to an extent. But unfortunately, though, I think that, you know, what happened during COVID also broke a lot of people psychologically. And so I don't know. Maybe that is the longest term side effect of what happened back then.

And maybe they would be less resistant to that one world government or that university. soul power, as it were. What do you think? Well, the thing that worries me is that now they have agenda 30. 20, 30, yeah. Something to think about. All right. Ranger, I appreciate that. You keep thinking, too. 770K-M-E-D. Open phones on conspiracy theory, always colorful and lots of good conversation. This is the Bill Meyer show. One of each, Seltosven, 917324. M. Simple. Visit clouserdrilling.com. Welcome to the Bill Meyer Show on 1063 KMED. Give Bill a call at 541-770-5633. That's 720KMED.

727, some emails of the day, sponsored by Dr. Steve Nelson, Central Point Family Dentistry.com. By the way, they have a dental plan there. Works a lot like dental insurance, but less expensive and better benefits. Find out more. It's right next to the Mazlan Mexican restaurant on Freeman. road in Central Point, all right? A lot of good people writing me about various subjects here recently. Mark Johnson writes from Grants Pass Bill. In Southern Oregon, there has not been one family not affected by the illegal drug trade here. If it's not your own family, then you know

of another. The illegal drug trade is tanking the public schools, tanking the human resources budget of Oregon, too. The Oregon State Penitentiary is worn out. Jackson County needs a jail. Curry County needs a jail. There used to be a judicial tool called drug court. an accountable method to help drug addicts and criminal court find a way out fairly effective. If you're running drugs, holding drugs, or distributing illegal drugs in Southern Oregon, not good. And if your hemp row is actually 3% THC... Boy, I'm glad you brought that up because I remember that, Mark, when there was the big... I don't think there's as much of the industrial hemp going on right now.

but it was pretty well I even had a rubble tib that ended up leasing some of their land to what was supposedly hemp field because the hemp field was just going to be the hemp was going to be so popular and then they left the field in shambles because I have a feeling that

it was not necessarily industrial hemp if you get my drift point well taken on this one you got to let's see Mark writes me about Scott

Oh, this is funny. Oh, Scotty, the professional driver, says, Hey, Bill, how about sending Scotty a bill for every oops time? He says Mercedes-Benz of Medford. I'm thinking about ready to bill him. And what about his condescending use of Billy? He reminds me of the spoiled brat kid that Mommy never told him no. Kind of like Eddie Haskell on Leave it to Beaver.

I don't know by that, Mark. I've met him. He seems to be a good guy. But, yeah. Yeah, he has always tried to get that free plug-in. have to admit that one. Christy ends up writing me, Bill, I don't know why no one is suggested, but that Fauci gets jabbed with all the COVID shots and boosters that he recommended.

They should administer them all at once. And if he gets sick, he should have to take ramesivir. Hopefully he gets the side effects. It's an interesting one. Here's the medicine that you diagnosed, doctor. All right? Granny writes to me about Christine Drazen. By the way, I was watching Kobe yesterday.

Christine Drazen and Tita Kotech are going to have a debate in Medford. I think they were talking about October 7th is where this is going to go on. October 7th here locally. That should be interesting. An hour at that time. I think like 7 to 8 on October 7th. And granted he says, Bill, this has nothing to do with qualifications. But Christine Drazen's voice sounds like a Disney cartoon character.

A voice coach could help. The ignorant young voting population makes, well, the ignorant voting population makes decisions based on the dumbest things, also known as the Democratic Party. Laugh out loud. The rhinos also. Yeah, Christine Dresen does have a vocal thing. It would be, I would, I think that's actually a really good suggestion.

So that way Christine Dresen doesn't go up there and say, you know, I'm going to stop all, and they'll stop all those mean people. Of course, you know, your voice is your voice is your voice. All right. Chris writes me this morning, Bill, Lithia stock, check. it out. Yeah. Ended up getting a big, big high the other day, wasn't it? And Chris says, I'm proud to say I actually own some, but I haven't really had reason to be happy about the lithium stock until recently. Alan on Dr. Fakey, Bill, not only is he a mass murderer,

he's also a serial murderer. He started out killing helpless animals. Another person on Fauci. Yes, it is political theater, though. The Dems and the rhinos are not going to convict him of contempt. The frightening thing is all of the enforcers, governors on down to local cops, friends, families, and neighbors. A few creeps like Fauci can throw out false information and scare the sheep into panic, submission, and obedience. Trey Gowdy and Josh Hawley, that's what I was mentioning last hour, right? You can't throw a couple of tuna in with the sharks and expect the sharks to change their ways. I appreciate that. Thank you. And Valerie says, hey, Bill, this is in response to your Dr. Fauci question. Now, I don't think we're going to see justice for any of these elites, the elite Democrats that do harm to the American public.

As far as conspiracy theories, I encourage you to read a book called An Almost Insurmountable Evil by Mike McCormick. He was a stenographer for Joe Biden. He was a White House stenographer from 2002 to 2008. It seems to me that this virus was a long time coming and planned. If what's in this book is just half true, the public will never know. I heard Mark on one of the nighttime shows on KMED. Anyway, for those conspiracy theorists, you'll love this. But if you like me, you'll believe it.

Thanks for your show and station, Bill. Valerie, I appreciate that. Thanks for writing, okay. The email bill at Billmyershow.com. Nick Smith, he's going to join me here in a few minutes. Is there a possibility that gangrene lawsuits may have had anything to do with an extra sporty wildfire season? We'll dig into that on conspiracy theory Thursday. Go where the wild runs deep.

At Hellgate Jetboat excursions, you feel the power of the mighty rogue river. I'm Riley with Rotary Drilling Company, and I'm on KMED. Nick Smith joins me from the American Forest Resource Council. Nick, it's a pleasure to hand you on. Morning, sir. It's great to be back on the program. Thanks, Bill. Hey, tell us a little bit about AFRC, and they will dig into the latest, I don't know if it is a building outrage,

but an interesting theory or question that you have been posing about the wildfire situation here in Oregon. Well, AFRC is a regional trade association. basically represent the forest sector, the sawmills, the loggers, all of the people that, you know, help manage the forest and help make, you know, those organ-made, or organ-grown, organ-made wood products. And so we follow, you know, forest service lands, BLM lands locally, and Southwest Oregon. And so what we work to do is, you know, we work with the public land management agencies, work with them to develop and implement projects that not only provide timber, but also reduce wildfire risks, provide access, and all the good things that come with active forest management.

So obviously, you know, we've been following this year's wildfire season very closely. Yeah, I bet you have. There's been a lot to look at. Now, here in Southern Oregon, the major one we had, East Evans Creek, we ended up catching a break. We're able to nip that, you know, in after a while. We're in mop-up operation now, at least not growing. All the evacuations were canceled here recently. But, boy, I got to tell you, you know, you look out in eastern Oregon, the northern part of the state of Oregon,

and it's getting sporty up there, wouldn't you say? It has been a very rough wildfire season, especially in eastern Oregon, but also closer to Portland. And one fire that we've been looking at very closely is the grasshopper fire on the Mountain Hood National Forest. What happened on Mount Hood? I have not really kept track of that one. Well, we have what is called the Grasshopper Fire, and that is currently burning about 20,000 acres of forest that was really overgrown and ripe to burn. And it's also an area that the Forest Service and the local forest collaborative, which is, you know, conservation groups, timber industry, and others that, you know, want to see these forest

treatment have long known that this particular area needs to be sent out not only to reduce the intensity of these inevitable fires, but to give firefighters better and safer opportunities to suppress these fires when they happen. Something tells me that this is, in other words, this forest that you're talking about right now, Mount Hood, has been an accident waiting to happen, in other words, right? Oh, absolutely. This is an area that is extremely wildfire prone and an area that, you know, has really needed finning and also an area that just like Southwest Oregon is, you know, heavily regulated and heavily litigated whenever the Forest Service wants to do some thinning, you know, some treatment work. So what happened then with this green group? In fact, I just tend to just call it gang green. Gangree in general comes up there.

Anytime somebody wants to do anything to the forest other than I think usually leave it alone, the lawsuits start flying. Isn't that what happens? Oh, absolutely. And, you know, I know this is a conspiracy Thursday. It's definitely a conspiracy. It's not a theory. It's a practice. I mean, it's a really good example of how these anti-forestry lawsuits really delay, you know, needed forest management work,

how these lawsuits sort of rarely succeed on their own merits, but really, succeed to delay this work for years and ultimately how these groups profit at the taxpayers' expense. So, you know, backing up, the Forest Service had been wanting to send this area since at least 2018. As I mentioned, it's overgrown with vegetation. It's within the wildland urban interface, meaning this is an area where the forests and homes intersect. And so the Forest Service developed this, what is called the Grasshopper Project. Okay. And it was developed over several years, And it was approved in 2023. And it was made a priority of the Biden administration.

So this is nothing to do with Donald Trump. And so, you know, the Forest Service, you know, approved this project. They're going to do the thinning. And then, you know, what we saw is, you know, two years of lawsuits, you know, among several claims, you know, these anti-forestry groups claim that the Forest Service wasn't doing enough paperwork

to, assess, you know, supposed impact to the spotted owls following recent wildfires, even though hold on, Nick, you're telling me that gangrene is still suing over the spotted owl, which is now known to be one of the biggest environmental frauds ever placed upon us out here in the northwest? Very much so. I mean, there is 9 million acres in the northwest that has set aside specifically for the spotted owl, where we can't do active forest management, but yet, you know, these severe wildfires are burning up their habitat. Well, it's okay.

If we burn the spotted owl, that's okay. That's morally superior, right? Right. That's a win. All right. So roasted spotted owl good. Okay. Now that we understand the way the greens work here.

So what happened then? And what happened then with this grasshopper restoration project? And they wanted to get all this done. So it's going to be, what, 11,000 acres worth of treatment. This was approved years ago, right? Years ago. You said this happened. Yeah, and so, you know, the egregious part, though, is that the Forest Service ultimately

settled the lawsuit with these anti-forester groups, gangrene. They agreed to drop a few units from this Grasshopper project, which was like less than two, basically two percent of the project area, not a whole lot where they would have been overstocked sand. Now, this is where your listeners could get angry. You know, through a court order, Oregon Wild then resists. received $55,000 in taxpayer funds through EJA, the Equal Access to Justice Act. And so, you know, they reap attorney's fees. They claim victory that they're saving old growth,

you know, that they're saving the spotted owl. And, you know, this settlement came in 2025. So this is years after the Forest Service thought, well, you know, we should be sending the stand. And so this work was essentially never completed. We're in 2026 now. The fire inevitably came, and now this fire is burning severely through these overstock stands. And so, you know, here we have. We have the fire. We have the smoke.

Yet, you know, gain green, you know, got its payday. The Equal Access to Justice Act seems to be the linchpin of a lot of badness out of the forest, wouldn't you agree? I would agree, but I would say that the Equal Access to Justice Act, you know, fundamentally is a good law and that it gives average citizens the ability to challenge the federal government. But the problem is, is it also enables, you know, well-funded, powerful environmental groups to the Forest Service, to the local BLM, you know, stock management projects. And, you know, when they, you know, convince, you know, left-winging judges to rule their way, they get attorney fees for their work. And so we get no forest management, but they get our money. Nick, I'm just asking for your opinion on this particular situation is also one of the challenges for the Forest Service or the BLM or for the taxpayers, I guess, is that the BLM or the Forest Service might get involved with this lawsuit. And they don't defend it really because there are gangrene true believers within that system.

Is that a reasonable theory of what's also going on? And in other words, we have people within the Forest Service that say, you know, I really don't want this grasshopper restoration project to move ahead here. And I really don't. Well, you go ahead, Oregon Wild. You sue us. You sue us. And we'll make sure that we pay you. We'll find a way.

I'll get some influence going here and we'll pay you. Is there any evidence of that going on because it sure seems like the government acts that way? Well, I think the reality to me is that there is a real and perceived threat of litigation. Whenever the Forest Service and the BLM wants to do active forest management. And, you know, the public land managers on the ground who are on these forests every day, you know, they know these landscapes. They know the risks. They know, like, the forestry tools that need to be done. You know, but I think for, you know, the agencies, it comes down to, okay, we're going to, you know, try and get these projects done.

We're ultimately going to get litigated, and this is going to drag out for years. So, like, why should we go through the trouble? You know, we need active force management. We need these local public land managers to do what they need to do without this real or perceived risk of litigation. What would you see as a possible solution for this, given that litigation, it seems to be a lightning rod, no pun intended here, given all the lightning that strikes forest all the time, but it seems to be a magnet for litigation. Is there any way to do a forest, an active forest plan, and make it litigation proof somehow? Do you know? Well, there's a number of things that could be done.

I think the, you know, one thing that should be done is to, you know, finally end the EJA gravy train that enables these groups to profit at the taxpayer's expense. And how do you think that could be done? Well, you know, there are, there is a bill in Congress right now introduced by Congresswoman Harriet Hagamon of Wyoming that would make those kinds of sensible reforms to EASA where, you know, average citizens can use this law to bring action against the. federal government, but, you know, denies the ability of these anti-forestry groups to bring these harmful claims and to profit from them. How is there something specific in that bill? I'd really like to learn more about that.

It's curious. I'm curious about that. And does it literally say, hey, you can't use this to sue the Forest Service or is there some other mechanism, you know, in this? Because, you know, to me, I could see, you know, if it's called equal access to justice, people would say, hey, it's equal access to the grifters in gangrene too, I guess. I'm concerned, you know, how that's worded. Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, there are provisions in the bill.

I mean, first of all, Bill, you know, one problem with EJA is that there's no public information in terms of, like, the awards that are given to these groups. The Forest Service can't even tell you typically sort of what they're handing out their attorney fees. And so, you know, Haganon's bill, you know, brings transparency to that. just includes provisions that ensures that it's average citizens not well-heeled group that are, you know, bringing claims under Asia. Oh, so could it be kind of like a means test for it or maybe even how about a limitation in attorney's fees? Okay, you can't get more than, you know, $10,000 in attorney's fees on something like this.

I don't know. What? Yeah, those are all issues that certainly, you know, Congresswoman Haggman and others are definitely looking at. Okay, good. Needless to say, though, what's happened over at this fire, this grasshopper fire, what, 25 million board feet of timber has been destroyed, right, so far? Yeah, it's not only 25 million board feet of timber. You know, certainly there are many of other values that are being damaged right now. You know, those older forests, recreational opportunities, you know, critical wildlife habitat.

You know, it's not just the wood for the local mills. It's all of the other things that we, you know, come to expect and benefit from our forests. And so, you know, are these groups, you know, really standing up for the environment? I certainly don't think so. Nick Smith is with me from the American Forest Resource Council. We're talking about this situation out on the Mount Hood National Forest. I wanted to shift attention here just for a moment here. I know President Trump has issued some executive orders here recently,

and it has to do with getting more economic activity in the forests. Have you been keeping an eye on that, and is there a very good chance of that actually having some positive impact, or is this kind of like, you know, hoping and changing, and as long as you've got the Oregon wild types out there, suing and settling with the Forest Service and BLM, nothing much will change. Any thoughts on that? Yeah, well, you know, I think, well, I mean, to answer your question, yes. I mean, we're tracking all of these things very closely. And, you know, Bill, I think you alluded to it earlier.

This is all very complicated stuff. There are so many ways, so many ways that our land management system is so broken and so many hooks for lawsuits that tie up, you know, this type of, you know, sensible forest thinning. You have, you know, obviously the Endangered Species Act, you know, we talk about spotted out a lot, talk about National Environmental Policy Act, and, you know, the Trump administration, to its credit, is, you know, going a lot further beyond executive orders, and it is, the administration is really working to close all of the litigation hooks that exist within laws like, you know, the ESA and NEPA in terms of, you know, how critical habitat is set aside for any type of management. How long it takes, you know, for these agencies do the paperwork necessary to implement these projects.

You know, most often these anti-forestry groups, they bring lawsuits not because a particular project is environmentally harmful. it's because the agency simply didn't do enough paperwork under laws like NEPA. So the administration is doing things like reforming NEPA, reforming the ESA to really enable, you know, more of these projects to go forward without, you know, all of this obstruction and litigation that we see. You know, will they be successful? It's really hard to say. But, you know, this administration is swinging for the fences, that's for sure.

I'm glad to hear that. Nick, how are the Forest Services and the BLMs of the world in our United States paid for right now? Are they paid for out of actually forest sales anymore? Or did that end, as I have been told by some people? And that it's just essentially a line item in the federal budgeting process. Do you know? Oh, Bill, that's an excellent question. You know, the Forest Service and the BLM, unfortunately, due to things like anti-forestry litigation has really become a liability for the American taxpayer because, you know, over time, we've done less active forest management.

You know, the Forest Service used to be a money-generating agency for the federal government. It would sell timber. It would do the work in the forest, and the timber would, you know, return money to the Treasury as well as providing money to the counties and local communities. Of course, we don't harvest a whole lot of timber on these lands anymore. These lands have become overgrown, inaccessible. And when fires inevitably happen, they are a lot harder to access, because there's not as much road access as there are in these public lands. And ultimately, they become a lot more expensive to fight fire.

So these lands are essentially a burden on the American people, right? They're not a benefit as they used to be. Right? They've gone from an asset to a liability. Okay, great. So might it behoove us? Would that actually force the issue to more common sense to eliminate their budgets? To actually eliminate their budgets, eliminate them entirely?

In other words, just getting taxpayer money. In other words, you have to actually find a way to make money on these lands in order to keep your people and to keep it going. Is that something which is just being on the pale here? because right now the incentive would seem to be, well, we'll always give you money to fight fires. You know what I mean? So go ahead and let it burn. And we'll just, you know, do it that way. Any thoughts?

Yeah, I don't think we should eliminate their budgets. I mean, you know, we need people on the ground to manage these lands. I mean, what we need to do is we need to address the real obstacles to active forest management, you know, basically those issues that turned our public lands from an asset to a liability. Right. Yeah, because I just thought that somehow that if they didn't have the taxpayers to bail them out and also to pay Oregon Wild, you know, in the various other gangrene groups here, it might sharpen the mines and even maybe the employees in the forest system that may not necessarily, you know, agree with active forest management, as it were, if you get my drift. Well, I think there are a lot of people who work in these agencies, like I said, the local public land managers, you know, not the distant beer traps in Washington. in BC, but those who are actually on these forests every day and want to do that, the forestry that needs to be done.

I mean, those are the people we should be empowering to do the work. All right. Very good. American Forest Forest, pardon me, American Forest Resource Council is where Nick belongs in. You can find out more at amforest.org, amforest.org. And at this point, is all the timber that was scheduled for cleanup now just destroyed because of what the green delays have done on the active forest management? Well, the fire is not contained.

So, you know, it's continuing to burn. You know, it has certainly burned up a lot of timber. It's also burned up a lot of areas where people recreate and where wildlife live. So, you know, the final story of the Grasshopper fire, like a lot of other fires that are burning right now, the story hasn't finished yet. So keep us in the room, Nick. Thanks so much for the call, all right? Good hearing from you.

Thank you, Bill. Nick Smith, 756. This is KMED and KBXG. Medicare doesn't have to be. For service team. Again, dial pound 250. Say Mike Rowe and let the savings begin. The Bill Myers Show on 1063 KMED. You know, our friends over at our sister station, KMVU Fox 26, they gave me this Master Chef charcutery board from the Master Chef show that they have there.

I think we're going to have to give this away because I was, just looking at this and it's like it's the size of if you were to take a pickle ball paddle and then put it on steroids that would be it and i'm just thinking could you imagine if anthony fouchi in a in a proper world was able to you know had to run a gauntlet of senators of republican senators and each one of them could have taken the master chef's charcutory board and just gave him one whack whack and then, you know, there's Josh Hawley, whack. Senator Rand Paul, give him two wax.

Whack, whack. You know, a fella can fantasize, can he? You know, at least, you know, good whack with a paddle was pretty good discipline when I was a little kid, you know, it really did keep people from doing bad things as a little kid. Well, I remember my brother Mike,

my brother Mike, We had a paddle that dad made, drilled holes through it, right? Diana, Billy, on one side, and then Mike, the little brother, who tended to be just an ornery imp. I loved him. I still love him. I'm just saying, he had his own side. And one day my mom and I heard, observed him,

picking up the paddle and then going and hiding it under the couch, so we all knew he did something wrong. But wouldn't it be great to kind of go all Singapore on fire, Fauci, just a fantasy. Now, you'd have to be measured. You know, he's an older guy, so you wouldn't want to, you know, do too much harm, but just the physical embarrassment would have been delicious, don't you think? Let me go to Tom. Hello, Tom. How are you this morning? It's a conspiracy theory Thursday. Yeah, well, more conspiracies. You can hard to keep up. I know. You know, regarding forestry, this article on the last page of the Rogue Valley Times

today, and it talks about the 13 voting members of the gun. Governor-appointed Oregon Climate Action Commission, and they're basically weighing in on the forestry and so forth. And of course, you know that they're just a little bit to the left of linen in terms of wokeism and so forth. Are they concerned about the climate of forest smoke, or is forest smoke okay? Well, that's the question I want to ask you. Now, how much carbon was, is being a emitted by the Evans fire and all these fires across Oregon as compared if they had been cut down and harvested and used and people complain about not enough housing, but if that's been converting into housing instead of smoke, we're not seeing any kind of rational balance here. And I don't know if the study's been done. Are we getting more carbon emission from the smoker? We get in it.

you know, from cutting down trees. Well, I really can't answer that. It's an interesting question. I imagine there is a study. You'd have to probably correct it for the types of fuels in different areas. One of the interesting things about Evans Creek, the way it was described to me, though, is that it really wasn't a forest fire as much as it was a grass fire. And that's why I think it was they were able to get such a good handle on it in many cases,

is that it was burning low and slow in a lot of areas. Well, the other thing about all of this here is it's climate action commission and so forth is it's predicated on the idea that carbon is, you know, CO2 is a pollutant. Yes. And it has to be reduced and so forth. And that's not questioned. That is an underlying basic assumption as they go into all these commissions and everything. And I'm so disappointed that there doesn't seem to be any group in Oregon that I'm aware of that is really tallying up how much this carbon emission program that they have implemented on so many levels and so many places is actually costing Oregonians. There's no, we don't, we just know that they have this state program that's working on climate action and so forth.

Well, climate action is, the full cost of it. Okay, well, climate action, generally speaking here, and I guess we could do a little work and try to tally that up. I'd probably need a little AI help to, you know, to do this because some of the stuff can get. Well, yeah, I'd like somebody to do that has more capability. Yeah. I think you'd have to do this. The general, the, well, let's say. In fact, I think I actually did some stuff here.

Let me see if I can find it. I think I had it on close to the top of my stack of stuff. Yeah, I do, actually. And let's see, Climate Commission wants to store planet warming gas in Oregon lands and waters. It's one thing they're saying. So I guess they just want to use us for a carbon sink apparently. But actually I had something that actually talked about what our climate commission was really all about. It has mostly been the real fast walk away from coal, from coal-fired power.

That seemed to be the one big thing that it did. And it's always been about, it's just been about more money. It's been about more money and an increasing cost of living for the people. It seems to be the main result and the main sacrifice that the elite of Oregon wished. to make using you, of course. Well, if anyone wants to know what their city is doing in terms of that, you just type in the name of the city and then put climate action plan, like talent, climate action plan, Ashland, climate action plan.

And you'll get pages and pages and pages of all the things that they're doing for our benefit. and it's staggering to see how embedded this whole mindset. And it's all wrapped around this thing that poor CO2 molecules in 10,000 is going to kill us. I keep hoping that this delusion will come to an end, but much like the COVID rackets at the time here, it is the same mindset. This is the another state-created religion as Fauci. And his agenda was a state-created religion back at the time, too. I think that there are many people here just searching for someone with very simple answers to complex problems. How about that?

Yeah, all over the place. Well, you can't say it's hardly anything more noble than saving the planet. My gosh. Oh, yeah, you can do anything. How virtuous. How virtuous. You can do anything, pay whatever price, kill whatever people needed to be killed in order to do it. destroy whatever it takes to make that happen.

Yeah, we have to destroy the village in order to save it. Hey, it's Vietnam. Vietnam all over again, right? Yeah. That's where we're at. All right. Thanks, Tom. I appreciate the call.

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