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Read them all and answer as many as I can. I'm just one guy, but I do as best as much as I can. trying to keep the plates spinning. And speaking of the dinner plates, I'm just going to go with dinner plates yesterday. I had an interesting experience. Linda had planned on doing something special for me for my birthday, which was on, let's see, it's Thursday, Tuesday.

So Tuesday was my birthday. Yep, turned 64, still have my hair, unlike the Beatles song. But anyway, she said, okay, I got a surprise for you. And, of course, she's messing with me and saying, all right, now you make sure to wear comfortable clothes and your hiking boots and so I'm saying, oh, we're going to go spolunking near the Oregon Caves or something, and she laughs because I know there's nothing that she'd be into. But anyway, she took me to a really nice restaurant.

It's a restaurant which, this was last night, a restaurant which has farm table. It's one of these things where it's a kind of a boutique restaurant, a farm table that everybody sits on the commuter table. And we did not know this at first. We didn't realize this because normally Linda and I, we just want to get together on our table and talk because we find each other our best companions and we don't really care what everybody else is as thinking. And so we get there and then they, oh, yeah, well, just here's your name and it's just a big, long table, right? And so we're going, oh, oh, no. Because normally when we think about communal tables, especially with a place that's serving wine, we're thinking, lots and lots of liberals

because we want to talk about our community and our community is our liberal way of looking at the world and we weren't disappointed by that so we didn't realize it was going to be the family well they call it family style I think is what it was so so we sit down and we then realize that out of about 15 people sitting at our community table we're the only conservatives we knew that right away

and the way people you know started talking And it was a really, and of course they're asking, well, what do you do, Bill? I'm thinking, all right, well, you know, I'll work by Coastal Media, a morning talk show host on KMED, been here for a long, long time, and this and any other. And so off we go. And they were very nice people, don't get to be wrong, very nice people. But it was one of those things where you realize, oh, my gosh, these individuals, these progressive individuals, well-meaning, you know, big.

Big hearts, but absolutely no clue, I think, about how the real world works. Because we ended up getting into the conversations about Portland. And because one of the people at our table was just, oh, you know, what's happened is, you know, such a tragedy. I said, okay, what is Portland like? Since you lived there for so many years and you loved it so much, you know, what's it been like? Oh, well, my kids tell me, Mom, you don't. want to live here any longer, et cetera, et cetera, and going on down to it. And it's just a shame what has happened. And I said, well, you know, it doesn't matter what your political

persuasion is, you know, even, you know, doesn't matter what your party is, people want to live in safe neighborhoods, don't they? And they say, yeah, yeah, certainly. And there was a real, how do I put this? I guess a lack of ability to connect progressive policies in that progressive view that they were so big on, so big on with what had happened to their beloved Portland. And I wasn't going to get into a big, you know, argument, you know, about these kind of things. So I'm being polite, you know, I don't want to, you know, cause a lot of uncomforts, but they sort of started.

And then, and so we started talking about things at the table, about stuff going on around here. And Josephine County came up. And this individual, one of the people at the table, a very talkative one, very nice lady, though, is a big master gardener's type person, big on that, and said, I don't understand what, what is Josephine County messing with the master gardeners association and 4H, messing with 4H? And I said, well, you know, to be fair about it, You know, Josephine County is, you know, a lot of people of faith, a lot of children of faith in Josephine County, and they have abandoned. They were abandoning the 4-H project because you had this, and I said, it's a really woke OH or Oregon State University coming forth. And, you know, you'd have the people, the kids in Josephine County, wanted to be the faithful farmers.

They wanted to have the cross. the Christian Cross on their, on their t-shirt, and OSU, oh, no, I mean, their heads were spinning over stuff like that. And I said, Oregon State University and the, you know, the 4-H deal, it was completely tone deaf. And so they abandoned it. They ended up forming their own, their own group. And then, well, the master gardeners, I said, well, the master gardeners, most of those are adults who are paying their own fees. you know it's it's one of those things there were ways to do it and and you could just tell that this liberal at our table like I said well meeting just had no concept about the way people of

faith well well the one comment on people of faith that I that I remembered is oh I have family members who are evangelicals and she just rolls her eyes and I'm thinking yep the and these are the people that wonder why other people like you know conservatives just abandon their institutions, their beloved institutions, which are absolutely secular and tone deaf, and just don't seem to grasp it. And so once they found out that, well, I was working at a radio station, and I said I was an engineer, an operations manager, do a morning talk, this and that, the other. And they said, well, what do you think is going to happen with JPR and NPR and all the rest

of it? I said, well, you know, and then I was telling the story about KW. SO, which I've been looking at, you know, this one radio station out on the Warm Springs Reservation and how I was getting $600,000 a year. And I said, folks, do you realize what I would love to do with $50,000 a month? A check written to me, my gosh, there's all sorts of things we could do for it. And yet this was going just to one radio station on one Indian reservation, one radio station. That was it.

You know, these are huge subsidies. And I said, you know, we're going to have to try to figure out how to take care of Medicare, Social Security. and, you know, these kind of things are either going to have to be supported more by the community or else they just go away. So, well, what do you think that's going to look like with JPR? And I said, well, I would imagine the more marginal shows, the ones that don't attract enough listener support will probably end up going away, and they're not going to pay for them with, you know, JPR, well, Corporation for Public Broadcasting shut its doors down near

the other day. And it's going to be hard. And I said, but to be fair, you know, commercial broadcasters had to go through these kind of soul-searching, what can you actually afford to do kind of questions 15, 20 years ago. And I think that public radio is just coming to the, you know, to the table. And you could just tell that the concept of, well, you could just tell that they couldn't even grasp the concept that their news and entertainment. shouldn't be paid for by other taxpayers it didn't you could just tell but couldn't even it just didn't register like I said very nice people and you could tell that um you know they had

come from a bit of a bit of wealth they were always talking about all the places around the world that they had continually traveled to over the years and and and that was great those were some really interesting stories and I got the impression public impact employees may be in the educational system. That was the impression I got. I didn't want to dig too much because, you know, I just wanted to eat my mashed potatoes and brazed beef and, you know, enjoy wine in peace.

But, you know, it was a good conversation, but it was a really interesting experience with respect to, wow. These are individuals that just have big hearts. very progressive just it's not that they're mean people they just have no clue how the real world lives and how it you know it just they can't even conceptualize not having purrs pensions and everything and and taxpayers funding their particular entertainment choices they just can't grasp it it's going to be an interesting time over the

next few years. I mean, these are the sort of people, I guess, that would be going out and screaming at Cliff Bentz in town hall meetings and maybe joining indivisible. I don't know. These people seem pretty mild matter like they wouldn't do it. But like I said, you know, nice people, but just totally clueless about crime and community safety, about what we should be forced to pay for. It's just astounding. It really was. It was great. It was. It was. It a great experience even they were going, oh no, we're sitting at a table and they're serving wine and it's a family table restaurant and oh my goodness. And we just knew that being at a family table with wine and nice food and everything else, we were just going to be surrounded

by liberals. We weren't disappointed by it, but it was an interesting exercise in how the other side conceptualizes the world and it's it's not even within the same reality orb of real life in my opinion I don't now I'm not the first person to say something like that but it's really interesting to be there with him talking with them up close and personal as they as they go through this this worldview and it's like you don't have a clue but anyway so that was my interesting experience last night. The other interesting experience was being over at the Pacific Power

Wildfire Intelligence briefing. They had a big press conference and they've opened up this wildfire, you know, intelligence center here in which it's just, it's actually pretty cool. You've got about 14 people I think that are working in it and it is something with

just loads of cameras and all monitoring the power lines for wildfire. I'll talk more about that here in just a little bit. What was really interesting, though, is who I ran into while I was out there. That was State Representative Emily McIntyre, who I've tended to poke fun of as being part of the, let's reach across the aisle and get along with my friend's caucus of the Republican Party. And she knows that's probably irritated by it, and I understand. And Emily, very nice.

You know, very nice. We had a good talk there, and we were talking about the upcoming special session. And I said, why don't you just not go? All of you not go. And then we don't gavel into a special session. And then we just, you know, move on from that. Well, then it kind of got off into, she said that we're going to, if we don't gavel in, even if we stay away, the legislative counsel says that we're still going to have absences counted against us.

This is the Measure 113 thing, right? You know, which you're not allowed to run for re-election. And I said, Emily, that makes absolutely no sense. Because how can you have an absence counted against you when the session doesn't exist unless enough people show up to provide quorum so that there is a session? How can you be having an absence counted for a session that doesn't exist until enough people show up to do it? She's, I know, but this is what the Legislative Council is telling us. And I said the legislative council, which is hired by Kate Brown, right?

She says, yeah. So anyway, I'm still trying to figure this one out. It was good talking with Emily. I know that I, you know, I poke fun there at a lot of it because I disagree with this. We have to get along and reach across the aisle type thing. And there's a lot of people that are that way in the Republican caucus. As she said, I know we want to be liked it. The other conversation, though, is, well, what would you bring?

propose that we do then because they're not going to plow the roads here in southern Oregon. They've already, you know, they're going to fire all the people that do our stuff. And I said, yeah, they threaten us and then we just give them what they want. And it's not going to fix. We roll over. I just don't think that's going to solve our problems long term. And then Republicans get blamed for helping raise all these taxes. And I said, you know, as far as I'm concerned, I would say just stay away.

And, you know, if Governor Kotech wants to have a emergency sentence. I guess. Then she can just pass it with Democrat votes if she wants. An emergency is different from a special session. So I'm still confused about this. You know, what's in absence, et cetera. And so I'm bringing on Kevin Sterrett with me in just about 10 minutes and also state Senator Noel Robinson because I told him about this too. And he says, I know.

And he kind of agrees with me, but we're going to try to flesh this out because we're all confused about this. How can they try, how can they charge Republicans for absences for a a session which has not legally been brought into existence with enough people. See what I'm getting at? So we'll have a conversation with them about 10. All right. And by the way, thank you, Representative Emily McIntyre.

It was great talking with you. I'm sure that, but she's too nice, but she probably wouldn't have minded strangling me a little bit. But I wouldn't blame her either, I guess. Hi, good morning. This is Bill on Conspiracy Theory Thursday. Who's this? Good morning, Bill. This is come here.

Hey, that sounds like a very interesting dinner you have, and it's one of my ongoing searches is trying to understand where both the left and right are coming from. There is a great article on Lou Rockwell today by Brandon Smith. Oh, of Alt Market, that guy, Alt Market, I think it's what he writes for. Yes, yeah, and the whole discussion today is a deep dive into the very, issues that you brought up with the dinner and what the difference is why the left believes what it does and why the right believes what it does. But his basic take is that Western civilization really is based on the moral principles of Christianity. And from that

springs the kind of government, you know, even in the Declaration of Independence, it talks about certain inalienable rights granted to us by God that government cannot. neither give nor take away. And that's really, I think, the core difference between left and right. The left is communism. It's basically the religion of atheism, and that's socialism and so forth. It's like the big argument between left and right. It's about, what are we going to do with the money?

And the right has, you know, if you have inalienable rights, it's not right for the government to take a gun, poke it in your ribs, and take it from person A to give the person B. But the left really thinks that the only way that you have good things in life is basically the government. Well, everything about them is just explaining away or just supporting redistribution, taking from one giving to another that is more deserving of it. And just like they looked at broadcasting as, well, the best thing to do is to take money from A and give to all of these radio and television stations in order to broadcast stuff we like.

And there's no concept of the actual, that there are people that might not actually like public radio or public television being subsidized at the barrel of a gun, that kind of thing. Or, yeah, the same thing, taking it from person aid and giving it to schools so they can have drag queen story hour. Exactly. And so I've said it before. but I'll say it again, you know, both Jesus Christ and Karl Marx both promoted sharing the wealth. But with Jesus, it was voluntary.

With Carl Marx, wanted a government gun in the ribs. And that really is, it's a moral division there. To the left, government is God, and it's a source of all good and the solution to all problems. And it told me everything at that dinner when we were talking about the 4-H situation. in in grants past and i said well you know there are a lot of kids there people of faith and Oregon state university the government with the gun in the ribs you know like you had had talked about uh it was more or less saying you can't express any faith this is it and uh and here it's it's time for your pronouns in your LGBTQ trading you know coming from and i said this is

very tone deaf and and frankly what does that have to do with being a member of 4h you know They want to have their cows and sheep and learn how to farm, do all these other things. That's what they're there for not to get their left-wing indoctrination. And they just didn't, they could not grasp this concept, Tom, seriously. I know, and I hope that people, if you're really curious about what you're talking about and your experience, and as I say, a deep dive into it. Go to Lou Rockwell.com today and look up Brandon Smith as America's soul searches. All right.

I certainly will. and I appreciate the tip, as always. Thank you very much, Tom. Great call. All right. I'm doing great. I'll carry on. Thank you all.

Let me go to next line. Hi, it's Conspiracy Theory Thursday. Good morning. Who's this? Hi, Bill. This is Vicki from the Applegate. Hi, Vicki. What's up?

First of all, happy belated birthday. Well, thank you. And your dinner reminded me. I used to play the radio contest, all the radios. And about eight, maybe it's been longer than that. Anyways, I won tickets to the Noonan House in Jacksonville for one of their murder mystery dinners. Oh, yeah. And it was kind of set up like that, too, a really long table.

There was probably 30 people there. But it was set in 1933, and when the railroad, when they wanted the railroad to go through. And so you had, it was kind of like Democrats and Republicans. And the characters that my husband and I played, we were Ebby and Flo Canoe. and we lived on the Rogue River, we had a rafting business, and we were gold miners, and so, of course, you know, we're not environmentalists, like, to the caliber now, but, you know, we cared about, you know, tourism, and we just saw a lot of little towns be, like, wiped out, but it was very interesting because it's kind of the same vibe. only we were talking about something different, but that's kind of how you felt. You had one side that was like the city people

that were all four, the railroad going through, and then you had the more country people going, God, no, I mean, it's going to destroy all this beautiful and, you know, our livelihoods and stuff. But my husband's super shy, so he was like, as soon as we walked in, we stopped being us, and we started being these characters. So that was kind of weird.

But I recommended anybody. I mean, it was such a blast. I would do it in a hot second. Yeah. Well, I'm glad. Well, like I said, Lyndon, I both looked at each other and we just went, oh, no. When we saw the community table at the restaurant instead of individual, you know, places to see. But it ended up working out okay, but it was really, it was really interesting to hear, you know, for an hour and a half, two hours, a deep dive with people who have lived amazing,

lives, don't get me wrong, but have done very well and have no concept of people, of everybody else who maybe has not done so well, being forced to pay for the things that they like, right? It was really interesting. Vicki, I appreciate the call, and thank you very much. We're going to break for the rest of the news here in just a moment on KMED and KBXG. State Senator Noel Robinson will join me along with Kevin Sterrett, and we're going to just, you know, try to figure out how can you be charged?

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Joining me right now is a state senator. Let me just bring them on. I'm just getting the phones put together here. Noah Robinson, who is on the road right now, traveling out of market here. And we also have Kevin Sterrett of Oregon firearms. And before we start our particular conversation, we need an appropriate musical theme. And I'm trying to think about, you know, it's how do we negotiate this? this special session coming up, August 29th, in which they want to raise all your taxes.

And so when we look into the story, well, this is the thing. This is the thing that came to mind. Kind of cartoonish. Yes, the Rocky and Bullwinkle theme, kind of spy versus spy. I don't know what it was, but it's, the more I. I looked into this special session coming up. Kevin and I were talking about this yesterday, and we were confused. Kevin, isn't that right?

We were talking about this being very confused about what is actually the rules in this session. Would that be a fair assessment of what we kicked around? Well, not only what the rules are, but how long this is going to last, what exactly they're debating, have they seen a bill? Is this going to be one day, or is this going to be five or six days because the normal scheduling of bills requires, you know, multiple days. Those rules can be suspended, but I've been told by elected persons there's no intention to suspend those rules, which means this could last

five or six days. But more importantly, what is it that they're voting on? And given that the people who want to dramatically raise everybody's fees and taxes at a time when the Republicans are claiming that life is not affordable, those people are in complete control, and what exactly is the purpose of Republicans going, knowing that they have zero leverage, unless, as happened last session, some Democrats bail. So there's plenty of confusion. All right, so I'm going to go to State Senator Noah Robinson. Noah, thank you for taking the time to join us on the road. I know you're out of town. What do we know? about what is coming up

August 29th. What do we know so far? What have you been told as a state senator, supposedly, in the know? And, by the way, how many degrees do you have before we start, Noah? Noah? Degrade G2. Yeah, yeah.

How many degrees do we have, Noah? I lost your phone for a second there. Try it again. Right. Ah, gosh. Senator, I'm very sorry. I'm very sorry. For some reason, we just can't

get a good sell signal. But, yeah, okay. I'm sorry about that, Kevin. I thought we had him on there. Noah, we'll try one more time. Are we there? Yeah, it's not working. I'm sorry. All right, Senator, I guess that's not going to work there, Senator. We'll have to try another time. Kevin, I guess it'll just be you and me kind of expressing this.

and maybe we can get some information from Senator Robinson. I'm a little surprised, Bill, because, you know, I know a bit about the Robinson family. I'm surprised that he didn't just on the spot invent some kind of hyper antenna to solve this issue. I mean, everyone in that family has multiple PhDs. Yeah, that's what I thought. And I know no one does, too. Here is the question, and because Noah agreed with me yesterday when I told him, I talked with Emily McIntyre at the Pacific Power.

They had their big wildfire get-together in which they're talking about. Here's the Wildfire Intelligence Center that will shut off all our power, you know, multiple times. Any time we see anything, which is, you know, really weird out there. But we were talking about the session. And I was saying, okay, Emily, the way I understand it is that you have to gavel in the session. you have to create a session before there can be absences to count against you to, you know, not run for re-election. This would be for Measure 113, which Oregon voters, in my opinion, stupidly passed, you know, a few years ago. And, by the way, Republicans didn't fight it either, which I also found interesting, but that's another conversation.

And Emily tells me that the legislative council has decided that if they don't show, up for the session that these absences will be counted against them and they can, you know, miss up to 10, you know, that sort of thing before they have, you know, can't run for re-election. And I guess the point being, I said, Emily, this makes no sense. This makes absolutely no sense because the session doesn't exist to be counted until it's gaveled in. And if all you Republicans stay away, then the Democrats can't raise our taxes. And the Republicans are always saying they don't want to. raise our taxes. Isn't that right, Kevin? This is what we're told time and time again.

What we're seeing from communications, which are always tied to fundraising efforts by a lot of Republican legislators, is that this is an outrage. And I mean, you look at the recent emails and press releases, et cetera, from Helferich and Shelley Bozart Davis, who just did a hilarious interview with Rick Dancer, is that these fee and tax increase. are going to be catastrophic because everyone agrees that Oregon is becoming unaffordable for most people. So that is the message that they're sending is that these taxes are a terrible thing, but both the House Republican leader and the Senate Republican leader have indicated that they

fully plan to provide quorum. Now, if they plan to provide quorum, unless some Democrats oppose this bill, this bill, Like what happened in the end of the regular session, right? We had Democrats that really ended up killing that gas tax hike and everything else, right? That's what killed it. And, you know, it's kind of amazing to listen to people like Davis, who, as I said, did this. It wasn't really an interview. It was more like this puff piece that Rick Dancer did with her, where she indicated that Christine Drazen is this brilliant operative and how they outfox the Democrats, which he agreed with, you know, oh, this was a wonderful thing that you guys did.

but then kind of casually and probably accidentally mentioned that, oh, well, they didn't have the votes to pass it anyway. But if that is actually the Republicans believe that these new and we don't know, we don't know what this bill is going to contain because we're not allowed to know, right? And apparently we're not going to have any public hearings and no public input on this. This is the whole group just gets together, right? These are all the questions I was hoping that no would be able to answer because everything that I hear, of course, is unofficial. It's rumor. It's innuendo. I've seen reports that there will be no public testimony taking. My understanding, which could be very wrong, is that this was going to be a single day session to pass this bill. But I've also been told that that's not the case, that this could be six days because that's how long it normally takes if all the rules are, are completely. applied with to pass a bill. So will this be the only thing they'll deal with what's in it? Will the public have input, which I doubt?

And what exactly is the Republicans' plan if they are convinced that this is a really devastating thing to do to Oregon? What is their plan since if they show up, passage is almost guaranteed? Yeah, and that was kind of what I was getting at with the state representative of Emily McIntyre. I said, well, if you're there, the Democrats. Well, they probably wouldn't call this session. I didn't say this to her, but I think it's pretty obvious that if they call a session,

they're not going to call a session unless Governor Kotech already thinks that she has the votes to get all of these taxes, these tax increases that we're all going to have to pay, cram down everybody's throat, right? The votes have to be there. Otherwise, I don't think she'd bother. Isn't that makes sense? Well, you know, Kotech is a really, really vicious human being, but she's not stupid. and I think it's safe to say that after having lost this last round,

she probably wouldn't call a special session until she'd rounded up the votes. Now, of course, there's no guarantee of that, but I think that's pretty safe to say. If that's the case, then this stuff passes. Now, the only, and I would love that. I mean, I'm really sorry Noah's not on, although I don't know that he would know anyway. You know, I might have to talk with Noah separately and bring him on. Like I said, he's traveling right now, so he's in a different state. So whatever it is, apparently just bad cell phone reception, just the way it worked.

Sure. But, you know, it seems to me that if the Republicans are going into this knowing that they can't win, then the only strategy could be to say, let's go there, pretend to fight, which is absurd, because if they're there, they're not fighting, with the hope that these ridiculous, you know, catastrophic increases in taxes and fees will make the Oregon public so outraged that they'll start voting for Republicans. Now, that would strike me as most likely the underlying strategy, except I have seen no evidence from past situations in which the Republicans provided quorum and were there, that there

has been enough outrage from the Multnomah County type of people that tend to put in a lot of Democrats to actually start voting for Republicans. Now, I could be wrong about that, but I've seen no. evidence of that, are you? Zero history of this. No matter how bad things get, that doesn't change, that doesn't suddenly shift people over to the Republican camp. Not that it would matter, because the Republicans have no interest in getting people into

office who have a certain ideology. They just have an interest in getting people into office who have an R behind their name. But this was the same philosophy that they employed when ballot measure 113, which forbids them from running again after 10 on excuse absences when that was on the ballot, they made no effort to fight it, not even to educate people about why it was a bad idea and why the ability to deny quorum was a valid tool. Yeah, and this was something that I honestly think the reason why the Republican Party didn't fight it at that point is that the majority of Republicans, unfortunately, are not the type

of people like what Herman ended up whipping together a few. years ago and stopping the transportation plan and all of these other various things by denial of quorum. And the party as a whole didn't even respond to that ballot measure. And maybe this was this was part of the plan. And so people will stop hoping that we'll, you know, fight like the Democrats are fighting over in Texas. And I disagree with why they're doing it, but I appreciate that the Democrats in Texas are at least actually fighting for their people, I guess. And I was hoping to have a little bit more of that fight here in the Republican caucus in Oregon. at least, I thought.

Well, I mean, there's a couple of things. The Republicans didn't fight it, for one, because I believe they wanted to build an excuse to never walk out. And for two, because if you were recall at the time, people like Tim Canop and others were predicting this massive red wave. Oh, that's right. They were. Yes. So they're predicting this red wave. And, of course, with the assumption that they were going to take over, then...

there would be no benefit to them to have this ballot measure fail, because then being in charge, they could use it against the Democrats. But also, they wanted to have a reason to tell the constituents why they're spineless and cowardly and won't stand up for their rights because, oh, we'll lose our seats. But that philosophy and that strategy obviously was a massive failure, and it will be, again, if the expectation is we go in there, we vote no, we claim we fought, you people all really got screwed, so vote for us in the future. If they believe that's going to happen, they're clearly delusional. And while they're trying to implement this self-serving plan to increase Republican numbers irrespective of what those people's philosophies or beliefs

are, the people get screwed one more time. I mean, these fees, you live in a rural part of the state. Yeah. And gas is really expensive. and you have to travel far greater distances to do everything. But if you live in a rural part of the state, you do not matter. You are a knuckle dragon hillbilly and you don't know what's good for you. And by God, Portland Democrats who are now, you know, look at the stories about that Portland City Council was completely under the control of avowed communists. And you look at what's going on with that.

You look at what's going on with the complete collapse of purrs, you know, they're billions of dollars upside down. And you wonder, at what point to the Republicans say, well, it's bad enough. Something dramatic has to happen. And it appears that there is no limit to what they'll absorb by claiming to be geniuses. We kill this gun bill. We kill this. But you didn't kill anything.

You didn't have the votes from the Democrats to begin with. And meanwhile, while they do everything they can to maintain their seats and their positions, Obviously, nothing about the best interests of the people is factored into this at all. It's a kind of cynical response here. Now, when I was talking with Emily McIntyre, and like I said, it was good to talk with Representative Emily McIntyre. This was in the parking lot yesterday for a few minutes. And I was saying this whole thing that the Legislative Council says that they're going to count you not gaveling in as an absence. I don't understand how that works legally.

Noah Robinson did say that he can talk with me a little bit later and he'll be outside of the clinic. He'll be out of the place where he is that he can't get cell phone. So I'm going to try to get an answer from him a little bit later on in the show, Kevin. But the part that I'm trying to figure out is where is the legal logic or underpinning that you can be charged in absence from a session that has never been brought into existence? that's a reasonable question to be asking about this even if legislative counsel which is what Emily McIntyre said you know the attorneys said that it would be counted it would be counted as an absent I just don't know how that can legally pass any kind of sense common sense smell test here on something like that first of all legislative counsel as you pointed out earlier

are a bunch of lawyers who are put in place by leftist you know extremists what they say is their opinion all right it's not the force of law and most of legislative Council opinions begin with while this is not completely certain. If they've had an opinion about this, they issued it as a letter in writing. I would say, let's see it. It could be that they've said this. It could be that what they've said is that a special session is the same as a regular session in that you're required to be there. And that is part of the rules for a state legislator or a state senator. You do have to attend sessions. That's right. Absolutely, whether a special session or not, you are expected to be there unless you're excused.

Now, they very well could have issued an opinion saying that even if there's no session, these people are liable. I would like to see that opinion. Or they could have said that whether it's a special session or not, you're expected to be there. But there's two things. Once again, that is their opinion, and that is open to debate and has to be settled by the courts, which in Oregon will always find against Republicans. But the other thing is, so what?

What difference does it make? They said, my understanding was they were selling this as a one-day session. Now it's possibly a six-day session, okay? So between one and six, you cannot get 10 on excused absences. Even I can do that math, okay? But suppose you did, suppose you're an Oregon legislator from a rural part of the state, which is for decades, has been taking a beating by Portland, Salem, Eugene, right? why is it so important to you to maintain a position that's utterly powerless because in the long run you want to stay there even though you're not not only not accomplishing anything but you're contributing to the enormous damage that's being done to the people you claim to represent what is the what's the real downside of not going back there it's all about their personal egos their self-aggrandizement and never a matter standing up

and saying something dramatic has to happen. And when you look at the rhetoric from the, you know, from the help reaches and the Bozart Davis and the Christine Trasons and all the people who are endlessly sending you surveys that are connected to their win-red fundraising pages, the sky is falling. Well, I happen to agree that the sky is falling. Yeah, and I would agree, too, because everything that's coming out of Governor Kotech in this upcoming session is going to be bad for we the people here in Southern Oregon.

Now, it's bad for everybody, but particularly for people outside of Portland. You have to say, if they all agree that things are catastrophic, what will it take for them to say, we cannot, this can no longer be business as usual. The Democrats will, you know, as you see, Texas Democrats, they walk out and Democrats all over the country, including Oregon Democrats, are praising this while condemning Republicans for even considering it. The Democrats do not play by, they're not polite, they don't play by rules. And Republicans, even people like Cliff Bens, will say, well, we can't. behave that way we're Republicans. And then a part of me would then say, why can't we behave that

way? Because this is, and I don't know if it's because of the higher Christian bent to it in which we're thinking, well, you know, but you know, when you're in Caesar's legislature, and let's be honest, this is Caesar's legislature you're in. You're in, you're not in church. You're in Caesar's legislature. Okay. This is where, where raw power ends up being decided and exercised and debated. You know, the Democrats are more than willing to do that. fight, and are Republicans, if they're truly going to help protect us, they need to, frankly, they've got to use the same tactics. I don't know how, like when in Rome, right, and do as the Romans do, essentially is what I'm

looking at here. I think you and I both have discussed us and agreed that it's hard to understand this complete unwillingness to fight. And I mean, if every, if every, quote, conservative Oregon legislature decides that they're going to base everything on, like, Romans 13, that, you know, power. has to be a jay i would point out to them that the person who wrote that spent most of his life in prison fighting the government you know and the reality is is that there's just this institutional philosophy amongst the caucus and in the party itself that fighting is off the table that we have

to be polite we have to we just have to increase our numbers even if our numbers include people who have who will not fight and will not actually uh who worked to put the so-called agenda that Republicans claim to support into power or into effect. But not only not fight, but to actively take the positions of the other side. You look at, you have a house rep, Javadi, House Rasmatics, who were applauding this perversion on the House floor with men came out and dresses and twerked around on the House floor. And they applauded that. They voted in favor of it. You see this all the time.

You look at Jabadi's substack, you know, which I have fortunately been banned from, and all he's doing is praising leftist ideology. And you look at all of these people. And maybe, well, maybe that is the real issue that we're talking about is that even that so many of our Republicans are so-called Republicans will tacitly, either tacitly or actively agree with leftist ideology. Maybe that's what we're really talking about, Kevin. Well, absolutely. I mean, look at what's happened to Dwayne Younger, right? The one is probably the only person who unapologetically speaks out for our values, right? He gets attacked with this ridiculous investigation because some morons said he created a hostile work environment.

By reading from the books, those same people want to inflict on our five-year-olds, what has the caucus said in defense of him? nothing as far as I can see. I haven't seen a single word from a single house rep. But I did see the Oregonian, and I was talking with Dwayne about this the other day, the Oregonian put out an editorial in support of Dwayne Yunker's free speech rights there. And I thought, wow, isn't that great, though? You don't hear from the Republican caucus, but you hear from the Oregonian, the leftist failing newspaper, right? A failing left-wing rag who is more supportive of Dwayne Yonkers, willingness to stand up and speak the truth, then his own caucuses. And if I'm wrong, if there's

been a single word from any member of his caucus, I'd like to see it so I can publicly apologize. But remember, many of these people are the same people who voted universally, uniformly to eject Mike Neerman for standing up for the people of the state. We're talking about Republicans who threw out their most conservative member. I haven't seen anybody supporting Dwayne. And, you know, Dwayne's fearless, but he's also pretty much alone there. Yeah. And it's like if I could clone him or at least that fighting attitude, that principled attitude, you know, I would. And it's not that we want to be mean people. It's not like that at all. But on the other hand, our opposition has no problem being playing mean girl and mean

boy, mean boy politics. You know, they get that. They embrace it. But, you know, what is the point of being in that legislature providing quorum and well i mean we've gone and we've covered this ground a lot there was something that uh that state representative family mackintyre did say to me yesterday that i think is worthy of discussion and i don't know if you'd have a take on this but you said well bill who's going to you know what are we going to do then what do we expect them because they're already going to not plow the roads you can't get up the crater lake you can't get up the diamond lake in the winter they've already said that and i said you know what here's a problem, Emily, this is a choice that Oregon Department of Transportation made.

This is a choice. This is like, you know, hardball politics. And, you know, to me, Kevin, giving them more money after they've already, you know, essentially what ODOT did is that they know how, you know, how this place. They hold up Southern Oregon, put a gun next to our head and see, we're going to shoot Southern Oregon road services in the head if you don't give us all the money, even though it's a completely corrupt, wasteful institution up there. And they, am I wrong, you know, about that? No, no, listen, this is classic extortion, right?

It's like, it's like a Kotex said, oh, we're going to lay off all these people. Well, maybe we don't have to lay off all these people. Of course they're going to, look, Emily McIntyre has specifically said that she would never walk out because she did not want to jeopardize her good relationships with the Democrats. I am sure she's a lovely person, which she should be working in a flower. And we had a good conversation yesterday. Nothing personal. She could not be in a position of defending the rights of Oregonians against these psychopaths.

Of course they're going to say that. We're not going to plow your roads. We're going to screw the rural Oregonians one more time. And if you say, oh, my God, we can't have that. We're going to back down. Then you have demonstrated to them over and over and over again that these threats and these extortion, this extortion works. And they can get whatever they want. But we've seen this constantly.

I mean, like I said, Kotex says, oh, you didn't pass the bill. I'm going to fire all these union people. Well, she ain't going to fire any union people. Trust me on that. The fact is that if the Republicans are afraid of being blamed because the roads aren't being plowed, then they should consider the fact that they're going to be blamed because people won't be able to afford the cars that they won't be able to drive on the roads that won't be plowed.

Yeah, that might be a way to look at it. Now, I know we don't have the whole story here. We're trying to get the whole story. And I will get Noah on the program probably later this hour. He said he'll be probably at a better area for cell service around 830 or so. So I'll get back to him on that. And then I'll let you know what he says, okay, if I can get him back home. Well, you know, I'd be eager to hear it because I'm hoping he knows, you know,

because obviously you and I don't. Yeah, yeah. And I know it's not that I want to sit here and have a conversation about what we don't know, but, you know, there's just a lot of unknowns about this whole session, which is coming up in. and how can you actually be charged in absence for a session which isn't legally in session? You know, it's like all these kind of things. You know, common sense questions that we can't get answers to at this point.

And look, if it's true that legislative counsel has issued an opinion saying that even if there's no session, these people, which really don't have any risk anyway, because the session is not supposed to be 10 days, if they've issued that opinion, then obviously the people should see it. It's a letter. They should be able to share it with us so that outside attorneys can discuss it and decide whether or not it's accurate. But in the absence of seeing that, we don't even know if that's what they said. Okay. I'll get back to you, Kevin. Thank you for the conversation. Like I said, we're just, you know, shooting the breeze on this one and trying to find some clarity. And I think what maybe bothers me more than anything else is that a lot of folks, you know, on the conservative side are probably not paying attention to this or not realizing just what is coming up. August 29th. It's not exactly been highly publicized. Would that be fair to say? Well, what hasn't

been publicized is what the plans are. You know, how is this session going to work? Are the people going to have an opportunity to weigh in? There's no requirement that people have an opportunity to speak at a hearing. If it's going to be a massive bill like the last one, how come it's not available? How come people haven't had an opportunity to analyze it? And if legislators are going to be asked to respond to something that they really haven't had an opportunity to see, then, you know, what are the people supposed to expect except, you know, increased bills for everything? Indeed. All right.

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Everyone's supposed to attend it. But can you be charged an absence when it hasn't legally come into existence? These are big questions I'm trying to figure out. legislative council says yeah they're going to ding you anyway and there are certainly Republicans well-meaning Republicans that are just saying hey you know we're going to have to provide quorum anyway but then this means that Republicans are part and parcel in getting much much higher cost of living passed on to us and shouldn't we shouldn't Republicans demand a pound of flesh out of the Democrats shouldn't they do shouldn't

They just stop them. And, you know, if Governor Kotech, the way I see it, then calls an emergency session, then they can just pass what they want. But then they pass what they want with Democrat votes. And it's only Democrat votes. I guess my concern is that if you have Republican involvement, we're still going to get blamed for it. Maybe I'm wrong about that. We can talk about that to many, anything else on your mind here, too, for that matter. 770563.

We'll catch up on the rest of town hall news. Boy, big stories going on in Gold Hill. So other cities here, we'll talk about it all coming up. We have Jack Cashel, who's going to join me at 735, and he's known as the conspiracy theory's author's author. And, of course, everything that he's ever talked about is a conspiracy theory is practically now proven as fact. And we're going to talk about that Brennan thing, you know, this Brennan issue

and also his upcoming book, which I think is going to be a must read. Okay? This is the Bill O'Mire Show. Works at Southern Oregon's Trust Thank you.