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The Bill Myers Show podcast is sponsored by Klausur drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausordrilling.com. Happy to take your calls, 7705633 on Conspiracy Theory Thursday. I'll even take Gene's call, and she's not grumpy or anything else. How are you doing this morning, Gene? What are you thinking? But anyway, okay, I know someone in Eugene.

They have never heard what the state is doing to the Republican areas, which is often, maybe a few others. They've never heard what's going on. So they can't vote against the Democrats for what's going on because it's not being done to them. So if they were being punished equally, then it wouldn't be, well, it would be more apparent. thin. Is that kind of where you're coming from on this? Yep. And also another thing, not all atheists

are communists. Oh, what Kevin was talking about. Okay. Yeah, you could be right. You make up that not all atheists are communists. A lot of atheists are conserved like me. Oh, I didn't realize you were an atheist. Yeah, I went atheist some time ago when I found out a few things that were written in the Bible, but I didn't like. Oh, okay.

That's really interesting, Gene. Now, there is a difference between an atheist and an agnostic, isn't that right? If I understand, I'm not a real expert on this in any respect, but you don't believe there was a God or what is it when you say you're an atheist? What do you mean by that? I mean that I found out some things that were going on with the Christian religion. I disagree with, hopefully. Oh, okay. And so I'm not going to be worshipping.

All right. Do you hold out, do you believe that there is a creator of sorts or that we just kind of happened, that we just sort of happened through, you know, coming up through the month? You know, I don't know if you have an opinion on that or not. No, I don't think we come from monkeys, but I've seen a few that could be. Okay. Gene, you always make me laugh, and I appreciate that greatly, okay? Thank you.

Always make me smile. All right, open phones on conspiracy theory Thursday. It was there anything else I don't, I'm going to hang up on you before I leave. Are you okay? You good now? Yeah, fine. Okay, good. All right, I just want to make sure I did it.

See, I don't want Gene calling back and say, you hung up on me, all right? Now I'm going to hang up on her. Hannity Update, then taking your calls on Conspiracy Theory Thursday. Heard a good one, 7705-633. Turn up your radio. Here's the Sean Hannity Morning Minute. I'm becoming more and more cynical of those people that say that they are MAGA conservatives or MAGA Republicans or Trump supporters. And all they seem to want to do is find the one.

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I went to the Pacific Power Wildfire Intelligence Center type thing. The Wildfire Intelligence Center ended up being unveiled. And it was quite interesting, you know, a whole bunch of computer monitors and cameras everywhere and, you know, talking about how they were in the process of, you know, how they end up coming up with these decisions to shut the power off and monitoring either wildfires or what looks like wildfires or conditions which end up. could be triggering a short in the lines, which could cause a wildfire. And, you know, this is in reaction to what's been going on.

Pacific Power was sued for billions. And so now this is the plan. Now, the spokesperson I was talking with along with the rest of the media, there was Simon Gutierrez. Simon Gutierrez was there. And we were talking after the presentation. It was great. You know, all the television cameras there.

And I asked the question, I said, well, what is the long-term plan? I mean, this is great. They have this wildfire intelligence, and I understand why they're doing it. It's really irritating me because a lot of the places that I maintain are out in areas that get shut off all the time. So I've got to get all these generators up and working and fixed. And I thought I was going to be able to wait until it was closer to winter. But now we're getting to the time where the power doesn't fail. The power is being intentionally turned off, is what we're dealing with.

I said, what is the long term, the long term plan for Pacific power? because, you know, 24-7 society, I'm thinking to myself, 24-7 society just can't have the power just intentionally being turned off, off, and on, what can be done to actually improve the wildfire resiliency long-term? And I brought up the fact to Simon, as we were talking, with the media, that up in Gold Hill, one of the sites I go to on Nugget Butte, Pacific Power, ended up hiring a contractor of some sort. that took one of those big masticator machines or the crew or whatever it is. And they just went up the whole right-of-nuggett Butte going up that hill, that big hill, where all the communications towers are and the cell sites and everything. And these machines, these masticator machines, just grind it. They just take the trees and chew the trees down to nothing.

Small trees get chewed down to just fluff on the ground. and the big trees were cut and stacked. You know, and they stacked it. I guess they must have hauled those away is what they did, you know, eventually. But they cleaned like a 60, 70, 80 foot wide swath of the mountain going all the way up where the power was. And I thought it was beautiful because that is just not going to catch on fire. You could hit it with lightning and it doesn't matter or if it would burn, it would just be very low and slow. Very cool.

I thought that Pacific Power did the right thing there because I was looking at that area. as this is just a wildfire, big accident waiting to happen. Looking at that way, looking at that way for years. So that's how they did this. And he says, well, I don't really have an answer for you because, well, I'll have to direct me to your, I guess they're going to direct me and maybe get me in touch with the vegetation management plan. I guess that's where that all comes from.

But they're shutting the power off and on in our rural areas, making it that much more difficult to be able to live in the rural lands, which I think is part of the conspiracy theory Thursday aspect of we don't want you living in the rural lands. But, you know, you go out to the Applegate, and I have a site up at Jacksonville Hill for KLDZ. And you see how the power lines are running through just massive amounts of trees and brush still. and I have no doubt that a lot of these public safety shutoffs get done because of power lines that are running through those kind of areas and the wind will blow and they'll potentially spark the lines and why aren't we taking these masticator things, these big machines

and grinding up the entire right away of these Pacific power lines? He didn't have an answer, he said it was expensive, you know? And I had no doubt that it was expensive. And I guess maybe they're just masticating and chewing up the landscape of just the worst places. But I know that out in Roosch in the Applegate, Jacksonville, boy, they're getting their power. Their power was shut off, what, three, four times just over the last couple of weeks. And one time it was for a good four and a half hours. I don't think that's a great way to run society.

And maybe that ends up being the program. You've got to get all that stuff chewed down to the ground and make it totally bare around these power lines. Does that sound like it makes sense to you? I will try to get those specific power people on. Yep, they've got the intelligence now, the artificial intelligence and everything else, monitoring all these cameras and keeping an eye on the wildfire potential. But long term, we got to get either the lines out in the open or buried. Now, lines buried very expensive.

He did talk about, though, that they're starting to bring out more power lines that are actually covered in plastic, in a plastic material, which would then make it a lot more difficult. for them to create sparks and cause fires. I thought that was very interesting, but I just wanted to give you an idea what was kind of going on behind the scenes there, okay? On to your calls now.

This is the Bill Myers Show. Hello. Good morning. Who's this? Welcome. This is not so crazy. Well, hello, Gene. How are you?

Just that's a wonderful day. Good. I have to say that they happen all the time. Good. Glad to hear. What's on your mind? Well, I was going to call up and talk about time at. It was a gas giant that was out next to Saturn where the asteroid belt is now.

What were you talking about? What was that name again? Time at. And that's what they call it. Time at, okay. And it was destroyed in a war between the reptile races and the human races. And the Mars got blown up because Mars was a moon of time. Time had lots of moons, and Mars was one of them.

So this is a science fiction history, or where are you getting this history? This is nothing that I've read about. This is real history, just something you haven't heard about yet. Oh. And, yeah, so that's why all the damage you see on Mars and why the atmosphere was all blown up of it is because of the war, and it was cast aside by time out when time out blew up. and now it's now turned into from a moon to a planet. All right, so why, what is the point of you bringing this, this, probably

unaccepted history for most people to my show? What's good about it? Well, because it's conspiracy theory, and I'm supposed to talk about those today. Oh, okay. Who do I go to to prove you either right or wrong, though? Well, just a couple of books I read that talked about it, and I don't know. That's about the only way you could do it. Pre-history is that impossible to prove, even though it did exist.

All right. Point well taken. Gene, thank you very much, and stay spicy, okay? Thank you. I'll do it. All right. I don't know what I can do with that particular conspiracy about the war with Mars and the lizard people. It's like the Bush administration, the Bush people, right?

The Bush family. Anyway, let me go to the next call. all here. It's conspiracy theory Thursday. All sorts of wheredisaccepted? Who's this? Steve, Sunny Valley. Hello, Steve, what's on your mind today? Oh, the fire thing. Yes. 2019, I had to go to Northern California,

Southern Jefferson, to assist my father with dying. And while he was in hospice, November, well, through August to November, 2019, PG&E, who got hit with a huger legal sediment because of the Paradise Fire cut the power off

14 times and my father was on you know was he on an oxygen machine probably things like that right right and and if we had a way of charging for the time that's not

the power's not available to us because essentially that's like giving up it's like when the railroad says well we can't run trains over the Sierra because it snows too deep, they lost. And whenever they cut the power off, they're admitting defeat. I mean, they're turning us into a third world country. So maybe if there was a financial hit for them, every time I shut the power off,

they would find a way to balance out clearing the right away because they'd always been able to do it in the past. That's really interesting, yeah. Because you're right, there is no penalty for Pacific power to not provide power at this point. Right. We just can't, they just can't charge you for the power, I guess, right? Right. There really needs to be some incentive for them to do the job that they'd always done in the past

before the PUC demanded that they put their resources towards green and renewable energy. Yeah, I did bring that up at my question over to Simon Gutierrez of Pacific Power yesterday, or Pacific Corps, I guess. Right. And it is, boy, how can you do this? because I'm very sympathetic to Pacific Power because in many ways, you know, it has multiple masters, right? But the main master is the Oregon Public Utility Commission. It doesn't do anything without running it by the PUC first.

But you're right. They do have a guaranteed rate of return, but there is no penalty for when they shut the power off most of the time. Not that I'm aware of at least. Are you aware of any penalty at all at all? No, I did not get a refund on my bill. when they cut the power off. And they cut it off every time the wind blows, even out here in Sunny Valley,

where there is no wind blowing, it's blowing somewhere along that transmission line and we lose power. Yeah. And that is just unacceptable. So if there was a charge for not providing power, a certain pro-rated kind of deal, you're thinking then that Pacific power would do a better job of grinding down all the land around those power lines then? giving that down. Because right now, right now the, the, uh, masdicating the, uh, the transmission lines is, is nothing but an expense.

It's like when I worked as an aircraft mechanic for American Airlines, we were an expense. Without us, the planes didn't fly, but we were just an expense until we started working on other, uh, we did Hawaiian airlines, we did, uh, other airlines planes and which we charged them for it. And then we were suddenly at source of income and things looked a lot better. better for us as far as not getting cut so quickly every time there was a slight downturn in the economy. All right, very good.

Steve, good call. Thanks for, I hadn't even really considered that. Maybe that is something to bring up. I appreciate the call. 770563. Let me grab a couple more here quickly. Hi, who's this? Morning.

Hey, Bill, it's Lucretia. Hi, Lucretia. Oh, wait a minute. I didn't know you're calling, so I don't have your, I don't have your song ready. One of my. There we go. Okay, that's enough. What's on your mind?

I didn't hear Hey Bill, good morning I wanted to talk about Bill Gates' $635 million yacht that carries 134 people hydrogen powered 635 million dollar

hydrogen powered yacht but I because you're called yesterday with a fellow very concerned about the nuclear weapons dropped on Japan I thought I would put out this following information just to

help relieve everybody that there's no nuclear bomb. And it was opposed by Henry Macau. We know the doctor that did the forensic research shows that people didn't die of nuclear bombs to the soap, not any radiation left over, so it couldn't hardly any, like, almost you know, the creation, I'm having trouble understanding your call. It's a fuzzy phone connection. Are you claiming then that Macau, others are saying there's no such thing is a nuclear bomb and the radiation that Japan suffered from and also the atomic

radi that the atomic veterans ended up coming up back with cancers and various other things. That didn't happen? You can give cancers to people in other ways, though. Okay, so the conspiracies that we didn't really have nuclear bombs and that radiation cancers and burns were given to people in other methods, really? Well, put it this way. Number one, all the German scientists were locked up that were working on creating a nuclear bomb. Why were they locked up?

Because they would have talked. And so they literally put them in a prison so they couldn't speak during this whole incident. Now, number two, in 1982, ex-Prime Minister Harold Wilson confirmed this. and he basically, you know, said, in my opinion, spoken to skirt around Britain's official secret that act is that Britain does not have an effective nuclear deterrence, and he said no one else does these either. All right, so Israel, when it stole the nuclear bomb secrets from the United States and also got uranium supplied by us for the Samson option or whatever you want to call it, they don't have a nuclear bomb either then. well kind of like we didn't have any COVID virus it wasn't a virus causing the problem yeah those are

really great conspiracies i wish i had more time to explore that right now because i'm up against another conspiracy theory author uh coming up who's gonna join me but wow that's a big one lucretia that's a big one thank you for the call i'll grab two more then we'll break for news hi who's this morning good morning bill it's francine francine give me a quickie quick one okay um well I have a conspiracy, but since I have to be so quick, I'm just going to say that I've been thinking a lot about when the power keeps going out and the people that are on life-saving equipment. And I think part of the power companies should take some responsibility and develop a program where they not give necessarily, but supply people that depend on life-saving equipment being plugged in a generator to use. I think there is some kind of program that they have, which may be of limited impact. I seem to recall this.

If you have a type of – I know they asked if you have something which you cannot be without power, they'll mark you to not be locked out. I don't know about if they provide generators, though. I don't know about that. Well, they should because not – I mean, not everyone can. You know, not everyone can afford to get something like that. And I don't know. I just think there should be something, and maybe they need to, like, talk about it more

and let other people know because it's very disturbing. hearing that, you know, I understand, not that I like it, I understand why they think they need to do this, but they need to not leave people in the lurch. All right. Good call there. Thank you, Francine. Well, I'll try to squeeze you in for some more conspiracy calls a little later. Hi, for deeper ones.

Hi, who's this? Good morning. Welcome. Hello. Oh. Hi. Yes. I didn't hear the noise.

I'm sorry. It's okay. This Jim in Medford, I just wanted to tell you that I think Jane needs to stay out of the moonshine as early in the morning. You do, huh? Well, I don't know. I didn't detect moonshine thinking, but, yeah, but, well, you know, there are many atheists in the thing that she was calling about is that atheists are not the same as communists, not

all atheists or communists. That's all, that's all she was trying to call it about. Oh, I was talking about the stuff he was talking about. Oh, you're talking about other gene. Got it. Okay, that gene. Yeah. about the space stuff.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Listen, I am, see, that's actually a really interesting science fiction and maybe science reality, alternate history, but I've not touched on that one yet. I thought that was pretty descriptive, wouldn't you say? I definitely would say that. That wasn't the main reason I called, but I just wanted to ask, was there something new going on with the gun bill?

I had to go out of the house for a second on this. You're talking to that guy. Yeah, well, I was talking with Kevin Starrick. No, there's absolutely nothing new on the firearm bill at this point as far as the lawsuits and everything. It's still kind of in a holding pattern, okay? That's all we know. What I was talking with Kevin about, though, had to do with, we're just trying to figure out all the carnage that will come from our special session, and yet we have Republicans that are negotiating to provide quorum to make it happen and kind of giving into the extortion of,

either you give ODOT all the money at once so that way Oregon can use money that would go to ODOT to pay for other things that it was to spend on. And it's just we're kind of confused about it. All right. Thanks for the call, Jim. By the way, I did get a text message back from Senator Noah Robinson. We were trying to get him on with me and Kevin at the same time. And he said he'll join me in an hour. We'll talk with him in about an hour and converse about.

what we know about this upcoming session, what will be counted as absences, how can you have an absence charge to you if there aren't enough Republicans that show up to provide quorum? And yet we're being told by legislative counsel, this is what Emily McIntyre told me that, you know, hey, they're going to charge you in absence anyway. And so the Republicans are saying we will provide quorum, which means you're helping raise the taxes. But anyway, we'll have all that coming up. All right, it's a Bill Maher's show. Garrison's motto is, we got your back, but through August 11th, we got your back, pack.

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Hi, I'm Cassie from Clauser Drilling, and I'm on KMED. Jack Cashel rejoiced the program. Jack, one of my favorite authors, he's written some 1617 books, and he has a wonderful substack. It's a Jack Cashel.com. and he has an upcoming book. It's not released yet. You're kind of writing it on, well, as you go through your substack. Isn't that what's going on this morning, Jack?

Welcome back. Yeah, that's true. And I think I'm just one chapter away from finishing it. It's called Empire Blyze. The big media is a 30-year war on truth, 1994 to 2024. So I'm going to wrap it up in 2024. Yeah. It doesn't mean that big media stopped lying.

It really means that they. their lies no longer have the punch they want that. This is true. Very true indeed. And the thing is you have been fighting the conventional narrative. Gosh, there was a first strike, one of your early books, TWA 800, which was the first time I was talking with you in which you made it clear that that was another aspect of the empire of lies, the lies we were told. And that was the one in which the CIA ended up putting out that animation. showing how the fuel tank exploded, blew the nose off of TWA Flight 800.

The nose is falling down, but yet the plane then continued to climb, right? Right, right, like 3,500 feet. And every aviator in America, I'm seeing that, said, no. Yeah. So everything we're seeing in news most of the time, even today I would imagine news is still kind of a narrative control. Is that kind of where you're coming from a lot of a lot of time? It's even more so now. And what has happened is the big media have gotten more and more desperate as they've lost control.

So now you see them on the Russia collusion story fighting this with desperate rearguard action. It's just embarrassing what they say and what they do. It's like they're into total denial, denial to the point of parity. And it's easy to refute it. but I would say to your audience is that it's really important that they get a grip on the facts because they're going to be confronted by people who are going to say the exact opposite of the truth and they have to know it would really help to know how they're being lied to so they can repeat those lies and one of those stories in which we have been lied to on a continual basis about Russia Russia

You have a piece up on the American Spectator, Spectator.org, and this is very thought-provoking. John Brennan's intelligence bombshell that likely never was, and you ended up putting a subtitle on this, curiously, John Brennan never left out or left no way for future investigators to confirm or deny its existence. And could you take us down this rabbit hole? Because, you know, now Brennan, is Brennan still working for MSNBC? or CNN? I think he is. I mean, I continue to see, I don't watch one,

but I see the clips of him periodically. It's not like he's gone away. He was the CIA director for Obama and his, in Obama's second term. Nothing like having a CIA director toad then joining a major, well, so-called major media outlet in order to continue the narrative control. I love this.

Honestly. You've got to love this. You know, and after, In fact, I remember, you know, I was following Matt Tahoeba, even when he was writing for Rolling Stone because he had caught on. You know, he said there's one thing for, you know, major of the big media to be on a team, but to be on team, FBI and CIA is total betrayal of the profession. And he's right. Yeah. But what happened is that he was, his primary source for his leaks was the Washington Post.

And so, for instance, in December 9th, 2006... Are you talking about Matt Taibi's sources? No, I'm talking about John Brennan. John Brennan, okay. I want to make sure we were talking about the right, same person. Okay, good. So John Brennan leaks to the Washington Post. He leaked to them.

On December 9th, they have this big hush-hush meeting where there's supposed to be not a word gets out in which they were going to assess whether Trump was colluding with Russia or Putin was favoring Trump. And that same day, Washington Post runs a huge story with exactly the assessment that the intelligence community will come up with in a month after a month of review. It's already been done. It's already taken care of.

But the leaking question here comes in June 2017. Now, you know, a lot of these, the mechanics of the investigation are well underway. The Mueller, Comey's been fired, the Mueller Commission has been launched. And he decides to drop this story in there, and I'm not exactly sure why. But according to the story, and this is Washington Most reports this in this breathless article. In early August, 2016, he sends a, quote, bombshell report to the president for his eyes only. His eyes and that of three other age. And this is President Obama, correct? Obama, right. Okay. And he sends his report in early August 2016, and he comes to make sure that

there is no copies made and that he walks away with the copy of the report. So there's no paper trail at all. And this is why you talk about it, the story, how there's no way to confirm or deny this, right? Because all the paper is gone? Right. But we know at the same time, in a reality, from his handwritten notes that he had briefed the president at about almost exactly the same time about Hillary Clinton's plan to basically to frame Trump as the participant in a plot with Putin to bring Hillary down and to advance Trump's electoral chances in November. So you have two things going on simultaneously. One is this meeting where he shares with Hillary, his data, I'm sorry, he shares with Obama, his information about Hillary's plan, the Clinton plan, to frame Trump. And we have his handwritten notes that exist in real time.

Then he drops his seal. It comes back in June of 2017 with this likely apoccurrence. story of how he drops this intelligence bombshell on Obama at that exact same time saying that this is a real plan. So we have two things going on simultaneously, the Hillary fake plan, and Brennan's newly discovered real plan. I think he's going back to coverage tracks, not realizing that his handwritten nose would one day surface and that he had to account for this differential.

Now we see also, thanks to Tulsi Gabbard's releases, what's called the Durham Annex, where we have copies of these emails between, basically between Leonard Bernardo, who is George Soros's man inside the Clinton campaign. He works in the Open Society's Foundation. And a woman named Julianne Smith is a top-level advisor. and basically what, and the emails are from, and he says that HRC has approved Smith's plan to frame Trump. Okay, could you hold that thought for just a second here, Jack?

I'm going to recall you and see if I can get you on a better line. It's a little bit of a noisy line this morning. I want to make sure people here. We're going to hold at the HRC plan here. I'll be right back with Jack Cashel once again, and Jack Cashel substack here. and we're going to get him on see if we can get a better line and why this is so significant this article about John Brennan on Spectator.

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where the Hillary Clinton plan ended up being announced here. Go ahead. Right, and this is one of the revelations from the drop that came from Tulsa Gabbard, And this had been an appendix in the Durham report. But basically, they had captured these emails of these Clinton staffers talking about the plan and what it was for, how is to be used, basically to distract from Hillary's own email problems. And they had hoped they said, if you give us a bounce, at least through the convention, and maybe we could sustain it thereafter. And maybe the FBI can throw some fuel on its fire, which the FBI did, because like three days after. these emails were exchanged, FBI opened its crossfire hurricane investigation into the

alleged collusion between Trump and Putin. Now, we know that Brennan was aware of these emails in real time because he briefed the president and all of his policy advisors on the fact, and he had kept handwritten notes of that. And these handwritten notes have been preserved, so we've seen them. And he says, you know, basically there's a Clinton plan to blame Trump for, you know, colluding with Russia and trying to throw the election. And Putin's aware of it, et cetera, et cetera.

And yet, and then comes this bombshell intelligence report that the post reports months later in June 2017 in which Brennan claims that he sent Obama, and there's like a bombshell, intelligence report in which it wasn't a Clinton plan to frame Trump, but actually Putin and Obama were collaborating, and Putin had approved this at the highest levels. And he was, I think, creating this to sustain the narrative in case it came under attack that this had been the Clinton plan. Because, you know, his latest June 2017, and this is appalling, Bill, when you think about it, the media were not aware that Hillary Clinton had funded the steel dossier. Right.

I mean, that did not break until October, and only then because of the work of Devin Nunes in his committee and Cash Patel. So they were, I think Brennan wanted to, you know, to keep this story alive, to sustain the momentum against Trump and to damage his presidency. They kept this alive. I mean, Mueller knew early on. This was all BS, but he kept his investigation going past the November midterms. People don't talk about this as much as they should.

But in the lead-up to the November midterms, one article after another was coming out of the post and in New York Times about Trump and Putin colluding to steal the 2016 election. The Republicans, despite the fact the economy is going swimmingly, less 41. seats in the house, and they lost control of the house, which meant that the Nunez investigation came to an end. That was not coincidental. And the post article is what I was talking about in the American Spectator article yesterday, because no one's talking about this.

And yet it's such a deliberate plant to keep the story alive and to give Brennan credit for, you know, starting this investigation. So this is allegedly happening in August of 2016 when he shares this intelligence, but it's not until December that Obama meets with his staff, this December, famous December 9th meeting, and he commissions them to create an intelligence assessment. And that assessment would be delivered four weeks later in January 6th or 7th or something. And so it's a total sustained. attack on Trump that will last for more than two years, and that will cost them a lot

of goodwill and likely cost them the Republican control of the House of Representatives. The article is on the American Spectator, Spectator.org, John Brennan's intelligence bombshell that likely never was, and you're saying that nobody's really talking about this, and why do you, is there a reason why the media doesn't want to talk about this? Well, the major media aren't going to talk about any of this. I mean, you're just going to try to dismiss it. But even on the so-called, you know, Trump supporter side, is it difficult for people to follow, I guess, maybe the back and forth in the dating thing or something? What do you think?

You know, the guys I follow like Matthew Eby and Michael Schellenberger, who are really doing an excellent job on this, I don't think they've discovered it yet. I don't think they're aware of this yet. I came across this because I did a chapter in my book on Masking Obama. on this whole story this I did in 2020 and I focused on what Obama knew when he knew it and I came across

you know these various articles and when I discovered this article I mean it wasn't hidden it was a huge article filled with charts and graphs and pictures and everything and I just don't think our people have

seen this yet I don't think they're aware of it and that's why I took this article out of my own substack you know page and put it in the American spectator because I want to get it, have it get some attention. Yeah, you wanted to get some love then and other people diving into this.

What is the significance of this as we're talking about calling together or as the federal government is talking about calling together, a grand jury, getting a grand jury going and getting back and possibly get some prosecutions or some indictments over the Russiagate hoax and the scandal that's surrounded because it appears that this is yet another example, that everyone was really in on it, but especially Hillary Clinton, and they have managed to escape any kind of real legal risk, I guess. Is that a fair way of pointing it, Jack? Yeah, that's absolutely right. And so, you know, I'm just watching a highlight reel of Hillary post-election 2016, saying that Donald Trump was an illegitimate president that he'd conspired

with Putin to steal the election. And she knew it was a lie even as she said it. She knew. Yeah, exactly. Right, right. And she knew she had gotten away with a good deal because the FBI and the intelligence community picked up on it. Now, Schellenberger's latest revelation just came late yesterday, and he's been contacted

by a CIA whistleblower. And we said that Brennan totally took control of the intelligence community assessment. This guy was on that committee. And he just ignored everything that he was being told and rammed down the throats of the American people the idea that it was Putin at the highest levels was working, was conspiring with the Trump campaign to get him Trump elected. And it's amazing. It's really, you know, you expect bad things out of government officials because they, from the beginning of time, have done bad things. but the people who have betrayed their craft are the major media. It's really, now they're at the embarrassing stage.

You thought that they could have done nothing more embarrassing than whitewash Bidens and mental incompetence. Well, they are doing that right now and trying to rewrite this whole history to the point we're saying it's like they're denying that Hillary was responsible for the steel dossier, you know, or that these emails now, that Tulsi Gabbard shared our Russian disinformation. We heard that story before, you know, with the Hunter Biden laptop. But it must work, though, otherwise they wouldn't be doing this. It works for their own people because they don't want to know. Their audiences don't want to know. But their audiences are getting smaller and smaller.

Yeah, I noticed that 40% of CNN and MSNBC's audience have been vaporized, I think, over the last few weeks. You know, Jack, I was at, you know, I was talking earlier this morning, and this is kind of off the beaten, but it's kind of to your point, though, that they don't want to know when I was having this dinner yesterday in Medford with a bunch of liberals at the table. And I don't think I've ever been around more people that had less awareness, A, of themselves, and also be of how reality actually works. And I know, I mean, I know we laugh about this.

We life about this because it's like you can bring up, okay, here's the fact, you know, here's the evidence of this particular fact. And, you know, you could show it to them. And it's still like, I see nothing, I know nothing, or that can't be. You know, that kind of thing. And I heard this on. Did you get that on Fox News or why? Why, yes, yes, yeah.

That's been debunked. I don't know. Do you think that, and like I said, your upcoming book is Empire of Lies, Big Media's 30-year War on Truth, and you are sharing this on your substack here, bits and pieces of it as you go. I guess you're going to have this finish pretty soon. Yeah, I mean, by the way, it's for paid subscribers, get the updates. Right. But you don't have to pay to be a subscriber.

I'm happy to have any kind of subscriber, I guess. Yeah, I hope to have it out by Christmas, and, you know, I'll be finished with the first draft within a week. But, you know, I just, there's the historical ignorance of the American left. It causes them embarrassment in ways they don't even know. So, for instance, and this is a little digression, they're going off on Cindy Sweeney and the eugenics movement, right? Yes. Don't they know that that was their movement? Don't they know that Margaret Sanger was the ultimate champion of this movement?

You know, they don't. So they can go on and on about this being, you know, Nazi stuff. No. The left is always still, I mean, in the first 40 years of American, until the Nazis gave eugenics a bad name. They were the ones who were promoting this. I know. It's an uncomfortable truth, though.

But, you know, I didn't realize that, you know, pretty girls promoting blue jeans was racist, Nazi ideology. I never knew that. But I just... If it is, sign me up for that print. Yeah, exactly. You know, pretty girls. Works great.

The question I have for you here ultimately is Brennan would appear, and I've talked with legal people about this, and I imagine you have too. Brennan is obviously exposed for potential prosecution. Is that a fair assessment? More than one legal person is telling me this, do you agree with this? Or are we looking for, once again, Hillary Skate? Brennan skates, everybody keeps their pensions, everybody continues to get paid millions to give speeches, et cetera, et cetera. Is there a way that you, you know, looking through history and your history of history?

I'm not a legal scholar here, but I know that statute of limitations is going to be an issue. And so what they'll probably have to do is wrap these people up into an ongoing RICO scandal based on the fact that they're continued to perjure themselves and to obstruct. justice. Now, it's going to be complicated, and those people on our side are getting a little too demanding of results have already gotten results beyond my expectations. I don't think we'd ever see this, even just this exposure. We know that they'll fight a tooth and claw. I think if they could keep this out of a D.C. courts, we could actually get some results. In D.C. would be just a loss. That's why Sussman had, I mean, Durham had no chance taking these cases before you would have to have it outside of dc if you're going to get any real

justice on this one and i think they can and so if they say well mara lago was the raid was part of this whole deal which it probably was well they could go to mara lago the case that interests me most because there's no statute of limitations on murder is the case of seth rich and uh he was the dc data analyst who was murdered on the street to washington and uh they claimed it was a robbery right? A botched robbery in which they took neither his wallet, his cell phone, or his watch, which they beat him up and then shot him in the back through times. And he was a big Bernie guy, and this was right in the middle of the, you know, the whole release of the, just before, actually, the release of the emails. And Julian Assange, all but, you know, named him as his source. And they,

but they don't want to, none of the investigators are allowed to talk to Julian Assange. So why aren't they allowed to talk to Julian Assange? They chose not to. I don't know. They've kept him away from that. I think Solisand would be going to testify. He's been a little coy about it, but he did put out a $20,000 reward for the people who murdered Seth Rich. personally I think it's related and I can't prove that but the way that has been it would be the

ultimate way I'm being hopeful here beyond the expectation that that would be the tangible proof of a very dark conspiracy that was willing to resort to murder and that is the and that is the Clinton crime family ink kind of connection honestly that's really what we're looking at And Arkansas on the streets of Washington. Yeah. But he was murdered. I mean, there's no getting around that. And they just passed it off as a botched robbery and tried to wash their hands of it.

But that is the one I'd like to see them focus on. Okay. It's a long shot, long shot. And I'm not hopeful that we'll see any kind of reasonable outcome. But that's the issue right now is what is the crime? We know how evil it all is. We know how catastrophic it was for. with the American place in the sun, the place in the world, probably for the economy, certainly for the Republicans in the House.

But the nature of the crime itself, nailing that down and convincing a grand jury to go ahead with that is going to be a challenge. And I would request patience from our own people. Speaking of patience. I was going to ask you, does the Epstein thing matter? in your view at this point. You know, I had to, Bill, I had to, I was presented with a book to do a book on it, with a co-author of very incredible insight information.

And I spent a month going over it, looking at a proposal. I didn't see a book. I didn't see an end. I didn't see a, I didn't see where this book could go. And in the similar vein, I don't see where a legal case goes. Okay. He's dead. He's been dead for six years.

you know, Galane Maxwell is in prison, and basically you'd be chasing extremely wealthy, powerful people trying to prove that the massage they had from that 17 or 18-year-old had a happy ending. It would be ugly, sorted, and unfruitful. All right, Jack, like I said, you've dug into more of this stuff than I'll have and forgotten about more of it than I'll ever know, okay? That's why I bring you on, though, your substack is really, is fascinating. I really appreciate you talking about this. And it's Jack Cashill.substack.com.

And it's free to subscribe to, and you get more, of course, if you end up being a subscriber on this, too. And I'm looking forward to Empire of Lies, where you kind of tie it all together, all right? I appreciate it. I really appreciate your taking time. And you keep up to good work. And thank you.

And we've got to get this story out on the American Spectator here on John Brennan's intelligence bombshell that likely never was. Okay. Good stuff. Jack. Thank you very much. Be well.

Okay, very good. Okay, take care. Bye-bye.