Bill Meyer Show Podcast - Sponsored by Clouser Drilling www.ClouserDrilling.com - 08-14-25_THURSDAY_8AM

Episode Date: August 14, 2025

08-14-25_THURSDAY_8AM

The Bill Myers Show podcast is sponsored by Klauser Drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausurrilling.com. Open phones on Conspiracy Theory Thursday. Dr. Gilda, of course, talking about this whole idea is that men and women have to start talking again. And I only had just a few minutes with her, just like 10, 10 minutes. I have to get her back for another talk, but how do you do that? How do you get men and women talking?

Now, I'm very fortunate. I'm a little more comfortable talking given my particular line of work. So I'm more comfortable talking about it, even getting into my feelings, et cetera, et cetera. And I have a wife who is very communicative, not overly communicative, just good. But, oh gosh. I'm always thinking about the battle between men and women. What was it? Dr. Laura, I remember Dr. Laura Schlesinger?

Well, just Dr. Laura. Not Dr. Gilda, Dr. Laura, when she was on commercial radio. In fact, we used to have her on KMED years and years ago. I want to say about 15, 20 years ago. And I remember Dr. Laura said that men are very simple creatures show up naked or else if he's not that. Just give him a sandwich, make him a sandwich. which, you know, that kind of thing. And I always laughed because there's a certain amount of truth in that

in that simple aspect of things. But it's gotten really serious, really serious, especially for young men and young women. And I really get concerned about the ability of young men and women, especially Generation Z, to get together and do family formation and find that common ground. I mean, many of the Gen Z men are much more conservative, much more conservative, much more traditional, much more right-wing than past generations. This is not the Allen-Alda generation that we're seeing in Generation Z. And Generation Z men are at this point, just going, hey, I'm not doing this.

I'm not toxic. I'm going to be a man. There are things that men I like being a man. This is it. And then you have some of the most insane, I mean, well, that make the hens on the view. look relatively sane by comparison, but, you know, women on the left right now as a generation. You want to talk about something which is just, you know, destined to be an existential threat to society. Because, I mean, who are Gen Z men going to go and get married to?

Millennials? He have to go out and marry an older woman? That's not going to help with family formation, I wouldn't think. I don't know. Maybe the Gen Z women are going to have, or men rather, are going to. have to wait for what comes after gen z i don't know what comes after gen z z zz plus or something gen z zz top there we go generation z zz top anyway i don't have an answer for this one i just know that there is an issue well i remember uh my son will my son will what happened to him i don't

think he'd mind me telling us i'm going to leave names out of this but he was dating a uh a woman and they were living together. This was a few years ago. And then one day, this woman decided that she was going to become a they. All right? You know where I'm going with this, right? She decided that she was going to become a they.

Now, William was very confused at this. I have known you as a she and a her. And, of course, if it was me, I would have been talking to the girl. I would have been saying, okay, how many people are inside you right now? We used to call that mental illness. But this woman insisted that they've been dating for a while, insisted that we'll call her a they. And Will would make a mistake and then say, well, she is, it's they.

And then all of her other they friends were telling him, it's a they. Get straight with it. They. and finally they broke up and I said Will you dodged a bullet and now he's with a a sane woman also Generation Z but sane so I guess you know Will was lucking out at this at this point but I never had to deal with that kind of crap did you I am a they how many people are inside you right now we used to lock people up for being that way But anyway, hi, good morning.

This is Bill. Who's this? Welcome. Hey, it's Matt. How you doing, buddy? Good. I actually called for a conspiracy, but I just want to comment on this thing about the women. Yeah.

You and I come from the same generation. So I didn't have to deal with any of this stuff. But I have a 28-year-old son. And now you guys live in Florida. But this hasn't been an issue for him. all the girls that he knows are totally normal. So I would say don't overthink it because I think there is something natural and men to be a certain way and think a certain way. And I think it's the same for women.

I think what will happen is as they get older and they've been having these feelings, there's going to be a group of them that are just going to grow lonely and old. And then other women who were coming in behind them, which is the, you know, the jammed. see, I think you're going to see that and say, well, gosh, I don't want to end up like that. And that's where you get the transformation. But my conspiracy is this. Okay. Have you been following this mayoral race in New York at all?

Not a whole lot. Don't you think it's weird that it was liberals who made that city unaffordable with their policies and made it not safe with crime? crime and no cash bail and all that, that they lean harder in the same direction rather than saying, okay, we tried the Blasio. That didn't work. And then we thought, well, let's get a police chief in here. Well, he's got his own issues.

So he's actually the bottom in polling. And I'm sitting here looking at thousands of lists as the things that you do. One of them is take over one or both of the parties for Marxism. I think this is part of a plan. I think you get a Democrat, even if they're not super, super liberal. You run the place into the ground, and then you say, we need to go even farther. Yeah, we double down on socialism. Socialism light didn't work, so we're going to have to go all the way.

Well, I wouldn't be surprised about that because Marxism has not been exactly sleeping in the United States of America. over the last few decades? Yeah, I just, I really think this is actually, at first I thought it was, well, these people are just stupid, but I do think if you find a city you want to live in, people, you know, people who like New York, love New York, and I think they say to themselves, well, we just didn't go far enough. Yeah, here's the challenge that we run into as you and I both being Republicans, right, or conservatives.

I'd really like to be conservative first, Republican wealth, because I have to, I guess. is that Republicans believe in socialism, too, the socialism-light version of it. And that really makes it tough when you want to be, you know, truly conservative about this and being independent. I'm sure there are probably Republicans that are wincing when I criticize that, well, of course, there's federal money available to pay someone with a child over the summertime. Because we know that, you know, children are incapable of being fed by anyone except a federal grant, you know, coming in from the federal government, right? You know, that kind of thing.

And I bet you there are a lot of Republicans are thinking, yeah, man, we got to keep that going. Republicans, well, it's the same kind of Republicans that are elected into the state legislature that are part of the reach across the aisle caucus, too. Same kind of thing. You know what kills me is these conservative on doing air quotes. These conservatives who were on various news channels are always saying that we need two robust parties. And I said this, I think, like a month ago on air. I'm like, no, we don't.

We don't need to robust. We need the Democrats, just go away because we have enough Democrats in the Republican Party. So Democrats, we have enough arguing on liberalism within conservatism. Well, I'll say the Republican Party. Yeah. We don't really need two parties. Yeah, just split the Republican Party, right? Look at our own state.

See, split the Republican Party and exile the anyone who's not in the Republican Party. Party. I'm having fun with you, though. Okay. Isn't that what the Democrats are doing right now in New York and Minneapolis and L.A.? Yeah. Aren't they doing the same thing? They're basically exiling their old liberals, right? Yeah. Well, it's all over at this point except with the shooting. What do you make? Well, what's the famous line? You can vote yourself into socialism, but you have to shoot your way out of it. Yeah. Yeah. I hope that's not where it's going, but I'm not given a lot of hope on that one. Matt, I always appreciate the take on it.

All right. Thanks to you. Thanks to you. Let me go to the next line. Hi, KMED. This is Bill. Who's this? This is Minor Dave.

Dave. How are you? I'm doing pretty good. Remember when I told you I sent to President Trump through their website, you know, a request for them to do a strike force? I got an email back, and it was thanking me for my views. and, you know, it's boilerplate what they wrote in there. Yeah, that's called auto penny printing press thing. It's what all the presidents do, every administration, all politicians, too, really, for that matter.

But it thanked me for my views, and then I, but it was signed by the president, at least auto signed. And so when I sent something like that before, and it's come back to Autosin, within a week or two, there's announcement. And so I'd be looking for C.SQ County to get a strike force over the fentanyl gas. You see, the sheriff here, the department, they'll investigate it, right? It's a death of fentanyl overdose, but they don't have the ability to track where the fentanyl came from. Well, tell you what, if that ends up being true, that you send a letter to the president or to the office of the president saying that we need a strike force here and a Strike Force comes. I'm getting on the horn to the White House, too,

Mider, Dave. You keep me in the loop there, okay? Okay. And no knows that it'll happen. I've got a feeling about it. Okay. I hope your feeling is right. Wouldn't that be interesting?

Hey, all you got to do is write the president. Then Donald Trump, you know, while he's, you know, having, you know, a Big Mac or whatever it is, is going, oh. Dave wants a strike force. What does he do? He goes to Tom. Holman or someone like that or someone away get DOJ on the line wouldn't that be cool wouldn't that be great anyway hi this is bill who's this good morning yes this is david am i on the air david you are

on the air okay behave yourself young man young man i'm kidding i'm having i'm having fun with you okay okay you need to enlighten me about the generations you talk about gen z now that's in millennials that sort of self-explanatory i don't have a computer is smart ones. Right. Can't get this. The millennials are from 2000 on, right? Well, millennials usually they came of age close to 2000.

So we're talking about anybody that was born 1990 to about, you know, 96, something like that, that sort of thing. Okay. And so Gen Z follows that. Yes. My son was born in 1998. He's Generation Z's an early Gen Zer. Yes. Okay.

What's between the millennial? in the boomers. It's Generation X. That's it? Mm-hmm. Oh. Some are also claiming that there is an additional, an additional generation in the, in the boomer world.

What year were you born? 47. Okay, so you are an early baby boomer. You were like the earliest of the boomers, right? Right. Well, I'm 1961. You're a boomer? Yeah, I'm considered a boomer.

They consider a baby boom up until 1964, but there are some demographic folks that are saying that the later version of the boomers, 1957, 58 to about 65 or so, tend to be more like Generation X than the baby boomers. We didn't have the Woodstock thing. We were growing up in the broken homes of the 1970s. You know, it was a different kind of feel. So some are calling my generation, Generation Jones. I don't know if that...

Generation what? Yeah, Jones. Generation Jones, like I'm, like, dude, I'm Jones-in. I am Jones-in to be, you know, going out to the movie with you and getting some great food. Anyway. Generation X, what? They were born in 1965 till, I want to say, late 80s, maybe,

1965, 1970. I'm going to have to look this up here. I don't have it all off the top of my head. Okay. But Generation X was more of a latchkey kid generation, a growing distrust of institutions as institutions ended up failing. And that's kind of their characteristic. And frankly, I've got to tell you, they're turning into some pretty darn good parents,

in my opinion, when I look at some of the generations. Okay? All right. Okay, thank you, sir. All right. And then I don't know what's going to happen with. Millennials are kind of, I don't know, I don't know how to describe. I have a lot of relatives that are millennials.

I have a daughter. That's a millennial. There is a different thing. But I don't want to tar the kids. It's not the kids. It's not the kids themselves. I do think it is all based on the environment and the conditions and the training that was given or not given, as the case might be, to them. because nobody wants to grow up to be an idiot

who said I don't think so that doesn't explain how the view got to be the way it is but I digress it is a Bill Meyer show it's seven after eight Rob Schloffer it's going to join me here in a few minutes we're talking a lot of delving into why do people think the way they do and what he's been working on

is why is it that the left and right can't even agree on what facts are that's a big deal how do we communicate we can't even agree what a fact is, a fact from an opinion. A4VIN168. Rob Schlaffer joins the show. I love talking with Rob.

He has worked so hard at the past to try to organize resistance to insanity. I can't count many times that you have been out there and working, whether it was wokenness in the library, whether it was what was going on in the educational system. But anyway, welcome back to the show, Rob. It's good to have you back in the area. Good morning. Good to be here, Bill. I always appreciate talking to.

You are my favorite radio talk show host by far. Oh, gosh, I'm turning red. Of course, I'm colorblind, so I couldn't tell it if I did turn red. But, hey, Rob, I wanted to talk with you about this because I enjoy your thought process. And I can't exactly say you're a man of the right or left, but you're really good, I think, at being able to see the myths and misconceptions of both sides of the political aisle. and you're talking about it in a piece that you sent around. And by the way, you're not doing anything organized right now. You're just kind of like putting out emails and doing web work.

What are you doing before we get into this fax email that you sent me, huh? Well, I launched the Organ Education Project in hopes that we could organize parents to do some smart resistance against woke education. But there just really wasn't any interest in support in doing that. So what I'm doing right now is just giving people information. So the Oregon Education Project is basically an information hub, free information hub. And I'll be publishing things over the next few years to try and help sort through these issues and to help particularly local educators, teachers, parents do something about schools to restore American education.

I've been kind of thinking, well, I've talked about this a lot, and I can't help but think that as much as I would love to be able to reform public education from the inside out, I don't know if it is reformable because of statute and the way things have been working. And so the only way to reform it is to leave it. And that's what I'm thinking. And I don't know if that's where you are coming from now after your experience or not. Well, I still think that work needs to be done in that area. Oregon is a very tough case.

You know, again, I keep reminding people, and I become a pretty strong critic of the right in Oregon and Republicans because, you know, there's all this talk about flipping Oregon red and making Oregon great again. The problem is you have a school system with 90% of the young people in Oregon being indoctrinated. They're being prepared to be social Democrats. And they are, the changing that down the road is going to be very, very difficult. And I do think it's just short-sighted to say, let's just ignore that. Let's, you know, let's not deal with it. It's a reality that's not going away. And if we don't do something about it, you can be assured that Oregon is going to be a progressive one-party state for a very long time. Okay, so you see, I recognize

the problem, but that just abandoning the system or withdrawing from that system is not going to be effective, you would think, so you don't think it's a good idea, right? Yeah, I think it's a necessary process, but there just doesn't seem to be the will, especially among Oregon legislators, Republican legislators. For example, to this date, not a single Republican legislator, including Kim Wallen, our local rep, has spoken out about the indoctrination happening with the new social science curriculum, with the transformative SEA, social and emotional learning. These things are literally destroying the minds of children, and yet can't seem to get any Republicans even to speak out about them. You know, again, we're not talking about trying to do legislation. We're just simply trying to get awareness in communities around the state. Nobody wants to do that.

I'd scratch in my head, Bill. I tried really hard, you know, to organize some resistance, but there were no takers. and, again, especially among the leadership of the GOP. I find that interesting. Thanks for sharing that with me, Rob. I think that I really wanted to clarify when I said withdrawing from the system. What I think what I forgot to include, though, is that if you want to save the children in the future, you reform the system and you work within to completely revamp public education in order to save the future.

if you want to save your own children, I think you have to take them out right now. Absolutely. Absolutely. I think you're absolutely right. I would not put my kids, you know, in. And again, a lot of it is still under the radio. One of the things I'm going to be doing in the fall is doing an investigation on transformative social and emotional learning, which is one of the reasons why we have this mental health epidemic among young people. So it's being driven by what's being presented and taught in most of our schools, social and emotional learning, I think. Sounds good, has some good aspects to it, but ultimately it is undermining the mental health of children, not helping it. Yeah, when you have fallacies presented as facts. We'll talk about those facts here in just a minute.

You said you wanted to weigh in on some of the stuff we were talking about with other guests this morning. You kind of caught your ear. I'd love to get your take. I always enjoy your thinking. Really do. Well, yeah, when you come to me, I just published this piece. about, you know, why we disagree about the facts, which really is a short dip into cognitive psychology. It's one of the things that explains kind of what's happening with the

divide you day. But listening to the conversation, there's a whole other dimension that I think is really important to weigh in on that. And that's, that goes to the subject of moral psychology and what's called moral foundations. You know, the, one of the things that I used to teach when I was doing classes before I got into education was what I called psychology for democracy. And the basic premise was that people on the left and the right experience different worlds. And this is due to psychology, not politics. The source of our political divide today is actually psychological. And one of the key ways you see that is by looking again at what moral psychologist called moral foundations. If you step back, it's important that people understand

what's really driving the divide today. And I think people who listen to your show who tend to be conservative understand that our division today is primarily being driven by the political left. And if you go out to say the Pew Research Group, they've been tracking people's feelings about politics for about the last 30, 40 years. And if you look at the charts that they produce, there's been a huge shift to the left. The average Democrat in 1995, 30 years ago, is now a Republican. That's how much the Democrats have moved to the left. And what's really driving that is that Democrats have been abandoning basic moral foundations.

and they have, they've left behind the broader morality that kind of built America and brought us together as a country. And they've begun to focus on really one key dimension of morality. And that's what a moral psychologist called the care, harm dimension. And you see that, of course, with what's happening here in Oregon. They are relentlessly focused on caring for victims. They're relentlessly focusing on fairness regarding those victims. This explains, you know, Measure 1-10. It explains all kinds of policies. And it even explains climate change and why they're, you know, they're so focused on the harm that they perceive to be done.

And they do that to the exclusion of all the other moral foundations. For example, one of the other foundations that they completely ignore is what's called the authority foundation. The authority foundation in a culture is what holds people accountable. You know, we need to have police. We need to have, there needs to be a teacher-student relationship where there's some authority in there. There needs to be, you know, again, the police versus the citizens. There needs to be a way to hold people accountable and maintain stability. And progressive-minded people, people on the left, the far-left, have pretty much abandoned all that.

And so when you, they don't have a taste for it. And one of the books that I would strongly recommend, people are interested in this that they read is Jonathan Heights book, The Righteous Mind, where he lays out the science of all this. And he makes the point that if you abandon the moral foundations that hold society together, society begins to disintegrate. We see that with immigration, the disintegration of the book, border. The disintegration, the kind of the lines that hold people in proper places that allow

for a society to flourish. Those begin to be diminished. The society basically falls apart. And that's what's happening. And you see that again when you go to the Pew Research and you see how the Democrats have moved so far to the left. That's kind of really what we're seeing. And it's no surprise because they're so focused on what they call, again, this care foundation. Well, even within, you think about this, Rob, Rob Schlaffer once again, or an Oregon education project, you think about how there has been a focus on care with the drug addicted and really problematic homelessness community, people within that community, in which we're not going to get you off the drugs.

Our first thing to care for you is providing of needles and paraphernalia. That's kind of that moral foundation or the lack thereof of moral foundation. Correct? Exactly. It's a kind of pathological empathy. And empathy is what drives progressives. And it's important to notice, and it's no accident that progressives are dominated by women. Look at Oregon. Oregon is one of the most progressive states in the country. It is absolutely dominated by women. And women, of course, empathy and caring in terms of our species, in terms of mammals and primates, that really comes from the female in our species. It comes from children. child care and the relationship that a mother has to a child, which is why women score much

higher on empathy. But on the other hand, when you control the entire system based on empathy with no accountability, yen with no yang or yang with no yen, I guess, is what you're talking about? Society deteriorates and deteriorates rather quickly, doesn't it? Oh, exactly. And again, one of the key things that's missing is this authority foundation. It's no accident that the groups on the left now are calling Republicans and Donald Trump authoritarian. Because if you no longer have the taste, so to speak, the moral taste for authority, which is an important part of building a successful society,

anytime you apply what is a normal good use of authority, somebody who doesn't have the ability to sense and appreciate that, sees that as a terrible offense. they see what is really a good moral principle as something that is immoral, hence their constant diatribe about the authoritarian nature of Republicans, when in fact it's actually progressives that are authoritarian when it comes to, we'll look at the COVID lockdowns, look at the council culture and the free speech. But all of that under the guise of caring for victims. All right. Right.

And again, so that's one of the things. things that really drives the divide is that progressive simply are, they do not have the full range of moral intuitions that allow society to thrive. And again, your listeners, if they want to know more about this, they really should pick up Jonathan Heights book, The Righteous Mind. It's one of the most important books for understanding why it is that people on the left in the right experience different worlds again politics is not what's driving this psychology is what's driving it it's a psychology but also a lack of moral foundation which you're talking about that the left has completely abandoned that now right and that's what i mean by psychology it's the

moral psychology they no longer have the full moral psychology required to really sustain the culture which is why bill i'm i'm constantly nagging people about not calling what people, you know, Oregon Democrats are not liberals. Liberals had some of the, had more of the full range of moral intuitions. Liberals believe in law and order. Liberals believe in accountability. These are progressives. These are far left radicals that are running Oregon right now. And they're running the Oregon Department of Education, and they're instilling that kind of narrow moral vision on our children. And so kids growing up in the school system are not going to, they're not going

to imbibe the full range of moral intuitions needed moving forward. And they're going to be reliable social Democrat voters. You know, I hear a lot from the, from the right wing on the political side of things in which, you know, gosh, all we have to do is just let it get really bad, Rob. And then people will rise up and then elect Republicans, even though I've never seen any evidence of that, but the reason for this is that in the training grounds, they are trained in the educational process to already be plugged in to being a Democratic Socialist of America, right? Well, again, this is about psychology, and psychology, particularly as people get older,

it's much more difficult to change that psychology, which is why the idea that a lot of these Republicans talk about making Oregon red is just a... a fantasy. You're dealing with a, you know, what's happened in Oregon is there's been a demographic shift over the last 30 years. People have poured into Oregon who have a psychological orientation toward progressivism. That's not something that can be changed by dialogue, unfortunately. I mean, this is the sad news. The sad news is it is almost impossible to counter what's going on at the psychological level, which is why people like Jonathan Haidt, who, who really first expounded on this have given up on the idea of bridging the partisan. That's why I

finally gave up on bridging the partisan divide. There's really no bridging it. Do you see then as separating the tribes then is the only long-term solution? I look at how people have been talking about wanting to do greater Idaho, for example, or other things, or breaking states up into smaller enclaves that are more politically aligned. I mean, how do you see it ultimately playing out, Rob. Well, a lot of people talk about a revival of federalism for that very reason, and we may be seeing that. I mean, I personally, I don't see the West Coast becoming, you know, MAGA America anytime soon.

I really think we're, I hate to say it, but I think we are headed towards a permanent divide in America. Unless there's some, you know, again, you know, for the Christians out there, you can always pray for revival. You know, I wanted to bring that up because you know there was that huge 43,000 people attending the revival, the Christian revival in Portland a few weeks ago. And they were doing it openly to save Portland's soul. They were actually doing it for praying for the revival of morality, I think, in Portland. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, and, you know, and this country has a long history. Of course, we had the Great Awakening in 1740s and 50s, which led eventually to the American Revolution. We had the second Great Awakening, which transformed them. So those kinds of things do happen, but from a scientific perspective, those are psychological, deeply psychological changes that take place. We're talking about conversion, which is a psychological kind of phenomena. So this is really, again, this is not about politics so much. But don't you think that there's a possibility that if prayer, that prayer could actually bring about that kind of,

that the spirit of sorts could be reawakened in Oregon with enough prayer and attention on it. I know I'm getting, now I'm getting off into the religious realm a little bit here, but I think prayer is quite powerful. But what do you think? Well, I think if you are a Christian, I would certainly make that a number one priority if you are a Christian. I think that really is, and again, I'm not speaking as a Christian,

I'm not speaking. I'm speaking more from a scientific perspective, but just looking at history and what has happened, definitely. You know, that may be the only kind of intervention. But again, this is one of the reasons why we disagree so much on facts. We are, you know, as I wrote in the piece on my side bias, we are setting aside this huge divide, which is ultimately a moral divide, just as humans, as homo sapiens, we have a tendency to want to go along with our tribe and believe. our tribe's facts, and not the other side's facts. And that's one of the reasons why, you know, we see this problem of not being able to agree on things. But again, at its root, it is a psychological, and I think you could say many of your listeners would probably say, when I say psychological, they may say that's spiritual. And I think there's good reason to say that they're very much very similar, if not the same.

Rob, I really appreciate the talk. I'd like to have you back for another time here as you continue to flush these things out because I appreciate you being able to see in fact I was reading a substack I forget who did it I'm going to have to dig this out again in which you know the civilizational myths that we all believe in

and I would dare say that even our political divides the myths that we believe in are more morality based than we might like think we blame it on politics we blame the problems on politics and gosh you know gosh if you know if we can get our

politics fixed everything would be okay, but it goes much deeper than that, ultimately, doesn't it? And importantly, this is where religious-minded folks, particularly Christians, and science-minded folks agree. The science actually supports a lot of what Christian folks have been saying about these kinds of things for a long time. And so I see this as a wonderful way to bring together people that don't necessarily always agree on things. But we can definitely agree on the fact that America needs a moral reawakening, especially on the left. Now, that doesn't mean that people on the left and their emphasis on care should be abandoned. It doesn't mean that, you know, we should do away with wokeness and ignore the problems that we have in black communities in America. But like you

said earlier, it really is something that's gotten out of hand. It's gotten too extreme. And again, go back to the Pew Research Studies, and you can see the data on where Democrats are today. And they're moving even further to the left as we speak. And so, and they don't seem to be making any attempt to modify and moderate. You know, many people thought that after Trump was elected, they might finally say, hey, what went wrong? But we don't see much going on there. It doesn't seem that way. Rob, the righteous mind. Who did the righteous mind again? I want to make sure people hear that author again, because I want to get a copy of that. Yeah, Jonathan Haidt is the author, and some people know Jonathan Haidt, the Mepard School District, just used his book, The Anxious Generation, his more recent book. He's one of the leading proponents of getting the iPhones out of the schools. But his book, The Righteous Mind, came out in 2012 or so. It is the book. I think it's one of the most important books that's been written in the last couple of decades. If you want to understand political division and religious division as well, spiritual

division. It's the book. It's a science-based book. Got to read it. Oregon Education Project, Rob. What's the website again? OregonEd.com. Always appreciate the call. Great having you back on, okay? Take care, Rob. Chatting with you, Bill. Cheers. Thank you. Cheers, indeed. Rob Schloffer. It is 836. You're on KMED. If you've been injured in an accident, you've got Reed Law Firm on your side. This hour of the Bill Myers Show is sponsored by Fontana Roofing. For Roofing Gutters and sheet metal services, visit fontanarroofing services.com.

And I can't help myself, I'll be singing coastal farm and ranch. It always kind of picks me up and carries me along. The power of music, huh? Let me go to Michael. Hello, Michael Krebs. It's Conspiracy Theory Thursday. Have that it, my friend. Might help, Michael, if I push the button.

I didn't push the button properly. Go ahead. Now you're on, Michael. Go ahead. Okay, sounds good. Thanks, Bill. Not so much of a conspiracy, but I did attend. one of the three services at the PDX crusade last weekend, or a couple weeks ago.

And it was wildly successful, very well organized. I've known the pastor, Brett Metter, for close to 40 years. I understand what his heart is and the outreach to the Portland community, because even though he has a church of, oh, 10,000 to 12,000, 40,000 people showed up. So in that, there's a hunger for what your guest was talking about, but it's not, and towards the end, he was speaking, he came around and said, yeah, as Christians, we would look at anything psychological as being spiritual because that's much more where the root of the issue is. It is a spiritual battle that most people do not see or understand, but also your guest was speaking. on psychological terms in which the vast majority of people do not understand what psychological even means, but they do understand what spiritual means.

Was I correct when I characterized it, though, that they were praying for Portland's soul, or the northern part of the state's soul, in essence? The short answer is yes, because Portland itself is one of the least church large cities in the country. The per capita of people who live in Portland that are church, and I'll give you an example why. The Aze Creek Fellowship is in West Lynn, which is south of Portland, and there were several churches that were involved in the bringing together of the crusade. The one churches that did not get themselves involved with are the inner city churches in Portland, because they didn't look at the problem the way that the church is on the outside.

side looked at it. They didn't get involved because they didn't think, well, it kind of is a black eye to them for not being effective enough in the inner city Portland to get them involved in church. Well, that's spiritual warfare. There's no question about it. All right. If you get 40,000 people together in three different services inside the motor center, praying for Portland, yeah, that's real spiritual power. All right. I appreciate your take on it, and thanks for sharing it, Michael. 770-5633. Let me go to next line. I think it's Steve.

Hello, Steve. Go ahead. Good morning, Bill. Yeah, I couldn't hear all of your last guest because I was out doing chores, feeding chickens and stuff. But he found it awful, he didn't have a bright forecast for our youth. And I would like to bring up my example. I went to public school in California all the way through college. I got a degree in communications and journalism and political science. And I went to work at a need camp, an environmental school for sixth graders afterwards,

first job out of college as a naturalist. I was on Bill Clinton's one of his first classes of the AmeriCorps program. I mean, I went to Washington, D.C., and I canvassed for Clean Water Action. but people change. I am completely a different person now, and I think that is going to happen. I see a lot of promise in our youth. I really do. I see a lot of promise in some youth.

Well, yeah, I drove school bus for District 7 for seven years until Kate Brown said I needed the jab. And I saw a lot of kids in public school. And I don't know how they did it, but somewhere between kindergarten and high school, they turned into rational people for the most part. You could have a conversation with them. And I think that there was, I don't think it's there anymore, but there was a balance to the education in some of the people that were hired, I think that requiring people to get the shot, the balance was forced out. Okay. I appreciate the call. Thanks for that. Thanks for that, Steve. If you're on hold, I'll get right to you. We'll continue. Conspiracy Theory Thursday calls on the Bill Meyer show. Stephen Westfall Roofing is growing and rebuild lives.

You're here in the Bill Myers Show on 1063, KMED. Granny says, Bill, why is the radio ahead of your Facebook page? Because the Facebook page is delayed. It goes through Facebook's buffering. maybe it's even censored. I don't know. Well, if you want the most quickest, easiest signal, granny, listen to the radio. It's direct. There we go. Everything else is always going to be delayed a little bit. Even the stream gets delayed a little bit, too, for that matter, because of buffering and going through it.

But I appreciate your writing. Okay, let me go to Scott. Hello, Scott. You want to talk a little Bigfoot here. Got about a minute here on Conspiracy Theory Thursday. You want to give me a big take on this? Go ahead. Yeah, I've been researching for 40 years now, and I've come to the conclusion that the science of Satchquatch is so much related to the science of psychology, being out in the woods. I want people to really be aware. Be very careful when you're out there, and leave it the way that it was. Just observe, enjoy.

Selective reading, Jeff Milgram's book, Satchewatchewatch, Legend, Meets, Science. He has a field guide when you're up in the woods, netherplugs. Zolio, it's $20 a month. So if you get stranded out there, people can get to you. Water, lots and lots of water and good clothing. The North American Bigfoot Center, Nether Plug, and it's out of Boring, Oregon. I know a great name, right? And then also the North American Bigfoot search has over 350 verified siding locations going back for like 1,800 and something.

Native Americans have it in their creation story, the hairy man and the star people. So I'm saying, you know, psychology, the hunting that I've seen. myself of that, you know, of people hunting satchelage, don't go out and try to kill something that is going to take you out, you know, just show respect when you go through the woods. Hey, Jeff, let me ask you about this. There are some that are claiming that they think that Bigfoot, I've talked to guests, I forget the guy who was talking about it, that Bigfoot is actually Nephilim, fallen angels. What do you think about that? well i think we can all speculate but um they're highly intelligent and i've actually found tools out the woods that will cut glass um so using their fingers to cut into an elk or a deer to take out i don't really think that i think they're actually using some primitive tools all right i appreciate your opinion thanks for the call and uh flipping it over that maybe we'll talk more

with Greg about that tomorrow. I know you are, you have worked with him too. Let me go to Tom. Hello, Tom. Go ahead. What's on your mind? Good morning. Boy, I really enjoyed that. Rob Schlafter's talk and the recommendation of the righteous mind. I've come to the very same conclusion that the main difference between right and left is based on morality, spiritual. And even a guy that I don't necessarily respect all that much, but Jay Edgar Hoover said that our economic, social, and political ills are based upon our spiritual ills. So I think all this division really comes down to whether you believe that human beings

are God created or whether it's just a matter of motion, like Karl Marx said. And one tool of thinking about that is whether we have inalienable rights, because the entire leftist agenda is based upon violating those inalienable rights in the name of sharing the wealth. But, you know, it's the force and violence of government with the government gun and the ribs for sharing. And it's a moral issue. It really is. And look at a, like he was saying, the forced education. I don't believe, I believe there should be a separation of state in education. but it's right. He's right. He's using the education process to really warp the minds of people

and turn them all into good little communist. Well, the communists always were about the hand that rocks the cradle, right? There you go, yeah. Give me a generation, and I can switch the whole thing. That's what I think that with Lenin or Stalin. Yeah. Appreciate the call. Thank you for that. And Francine is here on Conspiracy Theory Thursday. Good morning, Francine. good morning um well i'm sorry i didn't get to catch the entire conversation with the the fella and also the call after about what they were talking about you know the spiritual spirituality and how large crowds of people are very moved by the spirit blah blah blah blah and i just want to say i mean

you get any crowd of people for any topic that are all kind of on the same page and it's going to feel that way because i remember very very clearly i'm not a big football fan but of many many many years back, I was taken out on a date to a 49ers game. And when everybody got up and did the play or sang the star-spangled banner, I had tears in my eyes. I couldn't help it. You know, there's a power that people in large groups have. And, you know, I think that is, that is where many, you know, spiritual type philosophers and whatnot all say that, oh, you know, So if everybody had the same thought, we could move mountains and stuff like that. Well, they're probably right, you know, I mean, in a sense, you know?

Yeah. And it doesn't have to be about God or politics or anything like that. It could be anything. It just takes a lot of people feeling something really deep. But if you do get a lot of people together looking to pray for the Spirit to awaken in Portland, 40,000 something there, that would have to have some effect, wouldn't you think, or hope? Well, yeah, it does. You know, and that's why you have so many libt cards running around with, you know, half their brains hanging out.

Oh, boy, that's a mental picture. Thank you very much. Let me grab another call here. Conspiracy Theory Thursday. This is Bill. Who's this? Bill, Jerry. Jerry, go ahead.

Somewhere in scripture. get which one, but it's in there. It talks about how if you can control the head, you can control the whole person. And in a practical sense, when I wrestled in high school, that's what we were taught, too. Control the head of the men, and you could control him, basically. Yeah. Anyway. Works in wrestling, works in everything else, too, control of the head. Right. Right.

Now, Tom inspired me to tell you, I was astounded recently when I opened the book that I ordered to begin reading it. And there was a quote that is a biblical quote from John, the book of John, the book of John. saying that you shall know the truth and the truth will set you free. Anyway, you'll never guess where this quote is even to this day. Where?

It's in the, when it was being built, I think, in the 60s or whenever it was built, CIA headquarters. Really? Alan Dolis insisted that that be put in there. Was he mocking it?

I wonder. Well, you know, I don't think so, Bill. I don't know why it's there. I don't know what his motivation was. I do believe from what little I've read, which is very little, that he may have been brought up in a church environment when he was a young kid. I think his dad may have been a pastor or priest or whatever he was. But I, like I said, I haven't done an exhaustive search on this.

All right. A great call, though. Thank you. And let me see if we can squeeze a couple more calls here before Conspiracy Theory Thursday raps. Good morning. Hi, who's this? Welcome. Hey, Bill, David.

Can you hear me? Yeah, David. Got about a minute. Can you give me a good one? Yeah. You know, I'm a paraphrase Ram Dass. Jesus said, if you had faith such as these, you could move mountains. But what he didn't say was, or what he should have added was if you had a little more faith,

you would realize the mountains are exactly where they're supposed to be. That was missing, right? Well, I mean, what are we got to have all this energy to change? I mean, life is unfolding as it's supposed to, according to, a divine plan. Hmm. But there is always free will, is there not? Well, I mean, you can have a divine plan, but obviously free will can modify that, or can it not, in your view?

Well, you don't have, you can't talk about free will until you've cleansed yourself of all the negativity that we're carrying around, the anger, shame, guilt, greed, lust, anxiety. When you cleanse yourself of those things through forgiveness, then you might have some free will. But, you know, as you and I have talked before, people don't really have free will. Not until then. All right, that's your opinion. I don't know if I agree with you on that, David, but it's always stimulating. And I have one more call here on Conspiracy Theory Thursday. Who's this? You're going to be the wrapper-upper. Okay, hi, Bill. It's Dave. Another Dave. Yeah, Dave. What do you think? Yeah, well, we have a lot of problems, and I think one of the biggest problems that nobody wants to mention it is the women and the men are in competition with each other who's going to be the head. The women want to be the head, and the men want to be the back. We see that on TV shows. We see a lot of women on the television that are taking the place of the headship, and the men are taking place with the women.

Are you advocating then return to a more traditional role? Oh, absolutely, because it's actually a war between who's going to be in charge. Is a woman going to be in charge of the man's going to take the back seat, or are we going to do it the Bible way? All right. Hey, thank you, Dave. Have you heard about Jackpocket? It's America.