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Episode Date: August 21, 2025

What are folks thinking? Email of the day segment with a lot of comment on things discussed, later syndicated talk show host JOHN GORDON joins me from Georgia, we talk the vote by mail Trump EO, can we stop the shutdown of Town Halls from disruption?

The Bill Meyer Show podcast is sponsored by Klausur drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausordrilling.com. Here's Bill Meyer. Good morning. Join in 7705633, just like the man says. And we can talk about anything that's on your mind this morning. I'm going to go over some of the other stories that caught my interest today,

including some emails of the day. Let's do some emails of the day because people have been writing in about some of the topics we've been going over the last couple of days. I want to make sure, you know, what the Southern Oregon jury is thinking about stuff. Emails of the day are sponsored by Dr. Steve Nelson at Central Point Family Dentistry. Central Point Family Dentistry.com. That is on Freeman Way, right next door to the Mazitlan Mexican restaurant, which is next door to the McDonald's. So it's kind of that neighborhood.

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And I'm not a fan of Senator Wyden's policies. I mean, you know this. I've talked about this before. He's pretty good on civil liberties, though. I'll give him that. I'll give him his due. But this whole idea that you have the Gaza folks, you want to protest about Gaza, that's fine. But the thing is, you know, when you're inside the town hall, ask a question.

question and they get an answer if you really wanted to do this but instead they disrupted it so badly that he ended up canceling it and jan ends up writing bill i listened to your story about widens disrupted town hall i have to wonder is that really a bad thing he's just a win bag democrat who lives in new york yet is able to represent Oregon and i use that term loosely jenn i appreciate that i get that my point being though is um i don't want people who did want to ask a question of Ron Wyden to have their speech disrupted. And this is what is happening all the time. I'm going to be talking with John Gordon about that, who is an attorney and also a fellow talk show host. He does a show. And I want to go into what can be done about this. I'm wondering

if the only way we're going to be able to have town halls and be able to ask a question of a representative where a political figure, some official, is to put it in private property, put it private property. So it's like, all right, you want to do a town hall, then we're all going to have to take, maybe you have to rent the criterion or something like that. And so under the rules of this, we rent it. And then when you're disruptive, we throw your butt out, you know, that kind of thing. Now, I don't mean being disruptive as asking an uncomfortable question. You know, the whole idea of town hall is to have uncomfortable questions being asked and to hear what an elected person has to say. And there are,

all sorts of rules about this. There is some case law. And I want to talk with John Gordon about that. We'll do it maybe about 10, 15 minutes or so. Keith ends up weighing in here on the situation. We talked about the tragic death.

This four-year-old girl gets mauled to death by this just huge muscular dog. Goes at Corso, Pitbull, Rottweiler type of mix in Cave Junction. and she's just mauled to death, and the sheriffs and the ambulance company ended up showing up,

they couldn't revive her, and it's just tragic. Last time we heard the dog is in custody of the animal control in Josephine County, but I don't get it. Keith says, Bill, parents are responsible for their kids. What about their pets? Parents should be charged with manslaughter. Appreciate the opinion, Keith. And Betty weighs in about the dogs.

You will note, Bill, that the homeless often have pit bulls because they are often free. These dogs are originally bred for distinctive purpose, okay? Which writes me, Bill, I read that story about the girl being mauled in Josephine County, and it's a tragedy. Sadly, some folks think that they're badass when they have these kind of dogs, and then to add to the mess, they breed them rampantly because they were popular. My daughter and former wife worked with friends of the animal shelter and concentrated on socializing pit bulls and bull mastiffs. It got to the point I could not visit with my border collie because they would randomly attack him out of nowhere. My daughter still has her pit bull, and he's a wonderful friend, but I could never trust him around any of my border collies. This has been a huge obstacle to our relationship as my colleagues go everywhere possibly with me, Butch and Gold Hill.

I imagine, Butch, the colleagues are relatively friendly. right? Just like, you know, you have a yellow lab, friendliest dog in the world, right? Robin writes me, Bill, there's a famous doctor named Mark Hyman, who has a podcast called the doctor's pharmacy, pharmacy with an F, F-A-R-M-A-C-Y. Oh, is this going back to when I was talking about reforming of SNAP benefits in food, trying to get America healthier, right? And anyway, this podcast talks about food as medicine, great information, trying to eat only wild-caught fish and free-range beef, et cetera, would get wildly expensive, but even integrating some of these healthy ideas into one lifestyle can help. On a side note, I was on a strict keto

diet for over three years, had to go off because of excessive weight loss, but I got rid of my asthma and eczema, which are autoimmune diseases. I rely heavily on exercise to keep my sugars down at the age of 76. I'm packing the car to go to a stand-up paddle boarding this morning. Thank you for the good talk about nutrition and healthy other morning. Happy to. I appreciate that, Robin. Thanks for weighing in. Betty says, Bill, grocery outlet, frozen chunks of

avocados, perfect for smoothies and other things. Healthy, there we go, right? Dale writes in about the demonstrations and protests. Morning, Bill, in the case of situation similar to the widened town hall, it seems to me that no one knows when the peaceable word

or what it means, including the courts. Good point on that, Dale. Mark also weighing in on, let's see, no, I take that back. Oh, here we go. Randy weighing in on the left's agenda. Bill, the left's agenda seems pretty clear to me. The fundamental transformation involves removing the status quo

and replacing it with something new. That's something new is Marxism, but first you gotta destroy the current norms. For instance, married, well, men or men, and that women are women. You have to destroy that. norms like that must be questioned allow criminals to reign over society creating anarchy and once the right rebels they will be the scapegoats taking blame for something that the left instigated rather

Marxists in power arrest all dissenters as insurrectionists the trial run was January 60 says anytime the left put something off that works as well be assured they will try it again Randy I appreciate that I hope you're wrong about it kind of hard to argue with it finally Hans Albuquerque Hans writes so often and I appreciate I don't know it's a it's anonymous it could be a man could be a woman I don't know says Bill Western Journal article the other day about a New York Times interview with the editor of the new republic who recently wrote a book about democracy

isn't that ironic his book gripes about how unfair Senate representation is because Wyoming has as much strength as California he whines about that part of our political system being undemocratic, inequality, and political standing, et cetera. Hey, moron, that's because we live in a republic, Hans, right? And if that's the case, using your logic, then Wyoming should have as much right as California in determining political policy. Flashback, the Senate was originally set up with a democracy-style vote from each state, democratically elected state representatives who voted en masse for their two federal

senators, but no, the Democrats couldn't have that. so they slam the 17th Amendment down the Sheppel to bring more democracy to fruition. How's that work it out? Plus, this jerk wants to just dump the whole Senate and Electoral College for pure power need be. The solution is as evident as the windshield on his EV, repeal the 17th Amendment. You would have more democracy at work. Senators would answer to the state reps. Yeah, isn't that interesting?

That's the way it used to be. The state reps. The Senate was actually directed by the list. legislator. Your senator was actually representing the state. Not a whole bunch of people in the state who ended up voting, not, you know, 50% and one plus one vote. It wasn't that way. It's the way it used to be. 17th Amendment. You know, some Hans, there's a book out there that talks about the 17th Amendment saying the 17th Amendment that never was. They're still claiming that it was never voted in properly. Same with the income tax, the 13th. 725 at KMED. My email is Bill at Billmyershow.com. I know that was a lot. longer email section than usual, but there's a lot of good stuff coming in. There's been a crew of roofers out. Directly instead at best of southern Oregon.com. News Talk 1063, KMED.

You're waking up with the Bill Myers Show. 728. John Gordon joins me here, about five, six minutes. Ready to talk about the disruption of these town halls. And if there's anything constitutional, that can be done about it. Also, some other things involving the Trump administration. We'll dig into some of that news. Another story I found interesting, this was in the Associated Press reporting, that some big media deals are going on. Of course, our station, I hadn't much had a chance to talk about this.

I'll talk with one of my new owners of people coming after 8 o'clock, but bi-coastal media ended up selling our Southern Oregon radio stations to marquee broadcasting. And we're going to talk more about that. Marquis Broadcasting owns KMVU Fox 26 across town. and they're in the process here over the next 60, 90 days of moving television into our building. So we will certainly be multi-multimedia. Maybe I'll get a new camera or something or they'll put a different camera in here. We've got a Fox 26 camera on you, Bill. Boom.

Who knows? But we'll talk with Gene Steinberg. He's the C-O about what is next and get to know him a little bit. That'll be after 8 o'clock this morning. All right. But there's another big media deal up in the northern part of the state. AP, like I was mentioning, the owner of coin television bought the owner of KGW television, $6.2 billion deal.

This is a massive, massive deal. Next star buying its, buying Tegna, its rival, and bringing together a couple of major players in U.S. television and the local news landscape is what the AP. is saying here. If the transaction is approved, Next Star pays 22 bucks in cash for each share of Tegna's outstanding stock. So that's how that works. And what I was kind of wondering is how the regulatory world works these days. Because it used to be that the FCC, the Federal Communications Commission, would make it clear that, okay, you can't have too much of a market share. You can't have a big monopoly on everything. It's not like one television owner could then buy every single television station or every competitor in your particular market.

Same with radio stations. Yeah, you can buy a few up to a certain point, but there's a lot of talk within the FCC. The Trump's FCC is really favoring, loosening the regulatory reign, so to speak, and let more of this consolidation go on because there's been a real challenging economic situation within legacy media, television, radio, you know, newspapers, you know, all those kind of things because, frankly, you can own as many online stations as you wish, you know, those sort of things, and you're competing against those, satellite, everything else. So it's an interesting regulatory world that we could be entering in.

I don't know if they're going to loosen this or not. The Trump administration does seem to be more in favor of that. Another interesting story that I saw OPB reporting this one that $40 million in federal loot through the national electric vehicle infrastructure that got given back to Oregon so they're going to be building some more electric chargers these will be on the big interstates

the most used highway corridors over the next five years of course I remember the was that thing that the big Green New Deal or whatever it was that Biden was doing all those years ago. And they had that big national charger thing. There was only like a handful of chargers ever made. But I guess that Oregon is all in on this. So look for a number of those chargers to work up. Brett Howell, ODOTS Transportation Electrification Coordinator,

said the plans to build out about 60 charging stations, Four charges per station along 11 of the states, major highways, and interstate. So you'll probably see more of that on interstate five, no doubt, okay? And what else do we find interesting? Oh, this was in Fox. Christy Noam ended up announcing a change to the border wall. She announced yesterday that the entire southern border wall is going to be painted black. I've got a border and I want to paint it black.

Yeah. they're actually doing this to increase border security. Here is the thought process there. The entire southern border wall is going to be painted black to increase the effectiveness of the wall. And this is how. And because when you paint the border walls black, in the summertime, they'll get really, really hot.

And so it's a lot harder to climb because it'll just be smoking hot. Also, the black paint will protect the steel and make it last longer overall. Of course, another way of looking at it is that if it's too hot to handle in the summertime, I don't know, maybe in the wintertime when it's cold, do you think maybe it'll just kind of be a nice little hand warmers when you're climbing over the border? I don't know, just saying, I just thought it was an interesting story, nonetheless.

We'll get the rest of that, too, coming up. 733 at KMED. An intelligent solution saves you money. This is Randall at Advanced Air. It takes a 210347. Hi, I'm Riley with Rotary Drilling Company, and I'm on KMED. I've had a few legal questions in one of the talk about some other politics with political analyst John Gordon. He's in Ohio Wesleyan University, BA in politics and government and economics.

He's been an attorney, been involved in all sorts of things, national political analyst, and he hosts a syndicated radio show The Truth with John Gordon on the weekends, and we might have to talk about that sometime here, John. Welcome back. Good to have you on, sir. Welcome. Thank you. Delighted to be here. Okay. And by the way, what is your main website for people to find out everything about John?

And then we'll... John Gordon. Dot TV. Okay. Good. See, that's so easy. I'm glad it's not like the... We try to make it easy.

Good. It's not like The Truth. John Gordon.com, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. We love America. Dot TV. You know, don't make it tough. That's right. Hey, John, there's a bunch of stuff going on in the legal world.

And one of them that I have been concerned about, has been the rise of disruptive dirtbags in town hall meetings that we've been having out here in Oregon. Congressman Cliff Benz, is a Republican. We had Senator Ron Wyden, who was in town a couple of days ago. And it just gets to the point where, hey, listen, I am happy to have people that are supporting issues in Gaza that they want to have their voice heard. I get this. But it gets to the point where it's happening so often now and so disruptive.

everybody comes in they're banging their drums they're yelling they're walking around and being disruptive and nothing seems to be able to be done about it and they're shutting down these town halls and so people's ability to address their senators and their congressmen or their state reps and governors whatever it ends up being being squelched and there seems to be not a lot being done or discussed we're saying well you know there's been case law that says that they can be disruptive as they want on public property. And I don't know. Do you have any thoughts on that, given your background in the legal world?

Well, to me, it's not a legal issue. You know, one of the biggest concerns I've got, my peers, we are to blame. We have tried to be our children's friends rather than their parents. And so what we end up with is a generation of overly sensitive, hyper-sensitive people that lack civility. And that's the issue. And I don't think you can legislate against it or on it. I mean, if I were conducting a public meeting, I would open it with some structure of the rules and ask for civility. But then, you know, you're going to get some people that are unhinged.

That's part of the other side of it. It's part of what you sign up for when you want to go into public service. And it's part of the price that you pay because censoring or not allowing that conversation is not the answer. Because that penalizes everybody that does have a legitimate voice that needs to be heard. That's my paradigm. Now, I'm certainly okay with, you know, if somebody wants to ask a question to Senator Wyden as an example about God, I'd like to hear the answer too, though. I would be curious to hear what his particular take is on that Israel situation,

which, of course, we sent a lot of foreign aid over to Israel. And when you come in and you're banging pots or you're walking around and you're making sure that nobody else is able to get any business done, is that really a conversation, though? And I'm wondering, you know, what... No, that's a disruption, and it should be treated as a disruption. And if people want to play nice and they want to be civilized and they want to participate in a process, then great. But you can't do it in a disruptive and in a manner that is not civilized or productive.

And that is the issue. Who gets to decide that? And I think that just common sense at the end of the day is going to have to decide it. And people on the dais are going to have to act in good faith, too. I mean, just because they don't like what someone is saying, they can't label that as disruptive. Yeah, you can't do a prior restraint on someone because you want to ask a question about Gaza. Let's say, Senator Wyden can't say no. And, you know, throw this person out, so you can't do it based on content, right?

But you could do it. That's right. But you could do it based on time, what do they call it, time, manner, and location, right? That sort of thing. Isn't there a legal principle involved here? I think my home city of Atlanta actually is a good example. I'm not a huge fan of the city government, but one thing that they do do right, in my view,

the first thing on the agenda every week of the city council meetings or every other week is public comment. And anyone who wants to come and address council can do so for two minutes. And, you know, I know that those councilmen are sitting there saying, oh, my gosh, am I going to have to sit through another 45 minutes of this gibberish? Because you get a lot of that. And that comes with the territory. We know that.

We know that. Yeah, there are two guys that come there every two weeks, every council meeting, and they just pontificate on everything from the Braves to the weather. And it's laborious. But like you said, that's just part of the price we pay for freedom and freedom of speech. when you have town halls though being canceled by Republicans and Democrats in our particular area here is it a matter that maybe the senators and the congressmen are actually hoping that maybe we'll just get to the point where we don't do town halls anymore and I'm just wondering if that

might be kind of a back-ended way of saying you know it's too there's just too much going on here we can't do this anymore you think about that I think that would be a rule shame and a big loss, and I would hope that those people would be summarily turned out of office. Okay. I'm good with you on that one. Your job is to go and listen to your constituents, whether you like it or not. When somebody behaves badly and acts out in ways that are destructive and violate the just common sense laws of decency, I don't think they should be permitted to stick around. Now, Oregon does not have a... suck it up. Now, Oregon does not have a, I think they call it the Brown Rule in California. California

actually passed a law that was very specific in protocol. And, you know, there are rules in Oregon and there's a lot of case law about when you can shut people down. But time, manner, and place restrictions, if you made that clear in the beginning of the meeting, you think then that there would be a heft enough to be able to, you know, take people that are banging pots and or interrupting everybody and then escort them gone you think you think that's okay trespass them off there i mean yes i do i mean i think you laid the ground rules out very simply and ask for respect from from flowing both ways and that if people misbehave then maybe a majority vote of the people on the podium or the diast could ask them to be removed from speaking or the venue depending

on the egregiousness of, but not the content of the speech unless it's, you know, absolutely forbidden in our society. If it's just that you don't disagree, you don't like it, tough. But unless they pick out a race or a class of people and they're disparaging in a manner of it's disrespectful, I think anything goes, basically. Yeah, I'm not even sure that that could be restricted, you know, these days looking at court interpretation but who knows about this john gordon is with me once again and uh the name of his uh show is the truth with john gordon we'll get that information up there um what do you think

about uh if if we get to the point we're no longer able to see our elected representatives except through either news reporting and or through zoom meetings that was the way one of them was doing zoom meetings it's like oh man you know then then those can just be a excrement show in in my opinion What would you think about the smartness or not smartness of putting these town halls on private property? So that way you're not looking at any of the rules when it comes to public property and not being able to trespass rules off of that. What would you think, John? Well, I wouldn't think much about that. You wouldn't?

No, I would not because there was an example in Georgia of just that. And people that I know, people that I'm friends with, went to a state meeting of the Georgia Republican Party. It's an annual event. The governor was there. And they wore T-shirts that said something about fair elections. Somebody, I can't remember the specifics. I'm trying to recall. but maybe one was 20-20 stolen or something like that.

And because it was on private property, they took the position, and I think that's a, I think that's a, there was a stretch, too, for that matter. They took the position that they had the authority to remove them that they didn't change their t-shirt. It sent me into orbit. It did. And we talked about it on my radio show at Link. And that is just the lowest of the load to me. Our first amendment, for going out loud, is free speech.

And if you can't take the heat, then get out of the kitchen. Yeah, but you see, that was almost a content-based restriction is what they were doing on that. Totally. It was because the governor didn't like it because he had not done his job. Brian Kemp did not do his job after the 2020 election in Georgia, on which I served on a legal team with three other lawyers. They were on the pleadings. I was not a member of, I was not on the pleadings,

but nevertheless participated actively in the case. I edited briefs. I gave them my suggestions. I've traveled to state, educating the citizens, and raising money to litigate the lawsuit, Jefferson Seteer versus the Fulton Board of Elections. It's one of the few cases in America that actually got to present evidence before Judge Ryan Amaro, and he ruled that we had demonstrated a prime official case, or did the absentee ballots be unsealed, and for us to be able to inspect them.

It's a long story that that never took place. And there's just no question that the constitutional officers... Brian Kemp, Brad Raffensburg, Raffensberger, who you may have seen on 60 Minutes, saying, oh, Georgia was the most fair and three elections ever. He just lied. He just lied through his teeth, and I can't figure out from the life of me how you orchestrate something like that and who was behind it. But we had forensic accountants that looked at the votes and they concluded that there were 40,000 illegal votes in Pulton County alone, 400,000 in the state. And I've seen the evidence. I've talked to the witnesses.

I've played devil's advocate with the expert witnesses. And there's just no doubt in my mind that Georgia was stolen in 2020. But you know, God works a mysterious way. It's on my radio show, I said, it's time for God to show up. If he didn't show up on November the 5th, 2024, and he had a plan. And he knew better than any of us what the plan was and how to do it. And, you know, you look back on it, I don't think Trump would have been able to accomplish half of what he has done if he had not had that four years to sit there and meditate

and think and strategize and visualize what a Trump 2.0 would look like. That's how he has been able to do so much in such a little period of time. He hasn't done it in six months. He's done it in four years in six months. Yeah, it was the planning. I sat in his office and I'm met with him. And we met for two and a half hours. I know that he was planning not only his reelection, but what he would do once he got reelected. Once again, political analyst John Gordon with me. John, I wanted to steer this more into some current Trump administration actions. And President Trump is saying that he wants to get rid of mail-in ballots before the 2026 midterm election. Now, besides transgender and LGBTQ agenda being the one true faith,

in Oregon. The second true faith in Oregon is mail and ballots. That didn't vote for it when it came up. I was never happy about this. There is no chain of custody. There is no real making sure that everything is on the up and up. But we're not supposed to question this, because we've been running faith-based elections in Oregon for a long, long time. All right? Question for you, though, is that President Trump is talking about crafting an executive order to eliminate mail-in voting nationwide. And I'm curious, do you have any idea where the constitutional authority would come from on something like this? Because no doubt it would be challenged in one form or another and back in the courts. What do you think?

What I think is that it is an extremely uphill battle legally. The states have the authority and are required to secure and determine the manner of their elections. the federal government just really cannot do that. Now, he might be able to do it in the case of federal elections, but when do you have a federal election that they're not down-ballot elections as well? And how do you reconcile those differences? But here's what President Trump is doing. Here's what I think, and I don't have any inside knowledge of this,

but just as a student of politics and an unhealthy amount of time on a day, daily basis of what is going on. My belief is that Trump is on a mission to purge the federal government, which I think is rotten to its core of the deep state. I think he is going to surgically remove bad actors who are inside our own federal government. And you may have seen that Tulsa Gabbard just yesterday removed, I think, 27. Yeah, security clearance is stripped. ...of the intelligence agency of her department and took their security clearances away. And I think they are on a mission, and I think Russia, Russia, Russia was Chapter 1 of the story that is being written.

I predict that chapter two will be revelations to the American public, undeniable and controvertible evidence showing that 2020 was stolen, not to re-litigate 2020, but to allow the American people to get the facts, the true facts, not the narrative that they've been spoon-fed by the people that conducted this conspiracy of grand proportion. believe then that we're looking to happen okay do you believe then that perhaps this incontrovertible evidence that you speak of John would then be used to leverage in-person ballots voter identification I think I think it will be designed to galvanize the will of the American people who have tremendous power when they

exercise like they did on November the 5th 2024 but look at what had to happen to get them off the couch and out to vote. Yeah. Are that right? 3,000, oh, gosh, not, not, what is there, um, oh, you know, they, they wear all black and they Antifa. No, no, no, this is, these are religious sect, this is a religious sect, this is a religious sect in Pennsylvania in Ohio.

Oh, uh, Mennonites, uh, Amish? Amish. Thank you very much. Gotcha. Okay, good. I'm getting old. So 3,000 Amish people traditionally voted in Pennsylvania in presidential year elections. 90,000 Amish voted in 2024. Really? It's unbelievable.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg of the turnout that we experienced. And the American people finally, they're the ones who showed up. and said, enough. We're not doing this. We're not going to be fed a line that there's nothing wrong with Joe Biden. We're not going to be fed a line that inflation is transitory. We're not going to be fed a line that crime is going down in America when my cousin or my niece just got murdered or raped last week in our city. I'm speaking metaphorically. Of course. John, final question before we take off here. It worked. Yeah, I know. It did. And I'm glad. You know, when it comes to what happened in 2020,

though. Like I said, you can't really relitigate it, but I've always tried to find out, and I don't see a lot about this. You being around Georgia, I still remember the video showing the

the suitcases of ballots being run through the machine multiple times after GOP observers had been dismissed during that time. Remember there was supposedly the water flood, the bathroom flood, something like that. Oh no, You're not supposed to see what you saw.

You're not supposed to be able to, we're not supposed to be able to believe what we saw. Okay. I understand I'm not supposed to believe it, but, you know, I'll, I'll just go with this for a little bit with me. Did that ever get solved or figured out? Or is it just? No. No. Rudy Giuliani ended up having to, or got socked with a $40 million dollar verdict of defamation suit

from the women that did it, Shea Moss and her mother. What was her name? But anyway, I mean, this was a travesty in the fallout from it. I mean, there were 19 people that were indicted by Fawney Willis. We just found out last week that Bill Barr was meeting with Fonnie Willis on a regular basis while she was conducting this witch hunt against some of the most honorable and smartest and dedicated people that I know, like President Trump and Rudy Giuliani and Bob Shealy, who led the lawsuit that I was referencing earlier, who care about our country and want to have

free elections. And I just don't know. It was a horrible dark day in our country's history. And I don't want to relitigate 2020 either. I just don't want it to ever happen again. Yeah, I know. But the thing is it with them winning, they won the people actually counting the balance again and again, they won? I couldn't believe this. Well, I mean, we saw there are 3,200 duplicate ballots on Brad Raffinsberg's only own website. We paid 20 interns to go through there and look at every single ballot, and they came up with 3,200 that if we showed them to you, you'd say, yeah, that's the same ballot. Yeah. Susie Boyle's Scott Hall and now a city or a county commissioner Bridget Thorne. Each testified independently that they saw a stack of a pallet full of absentee ballots

that had been untouched by the human hands that were all scored identically sitting in the State Farm arena waiting to be counted. Yeah, there's nothing corrupt looking about something like that, right? Well, I just don't know how they get away with it, and I don't know how they're able to cram this down our throats. But I think I would, you know, I would just run straight into him and say, you know, you're going to jail. I think Trump is being so much smarter than the way I would handle it. He's not running through them. He's running around them. And I think what you'll see is that we'll have revelations of undeniable fraud in 2020. That will get the American people galvanized through election, integrity, and reform once and for all, and then we can

get some paper ballots that we can devise systems that cannot be tampered with or that will certainly be as foolproof as we can make them. And we can get this country back again and ensure fair, free elections. The only way the Democrats can win is if they cheat and steal and lie. I mean, they've proven it over and over and over again. Prach it, brother John. They're siding with the criminals instead of the victims in these crimes. They're becoming the party of crime. Oh. Well, crime must still pay here, John.

So, Preach it. We appreciate the take on it. Hey, it got to Ron, but I'll get your information up there. And once again, political analyst and a talk show host, John Gordon, and it's the truth with John Gordon. And what is it, John Gordon. Dot TV, right? That's it.

All right. Thank you so much. I really enjoyed it. Thanks for... John, a pleasure. ...this morning. All right. I'm always happy to let some good people vent.