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The Bill Meyer Show podcast is sponsored by Klausur drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausordrilling.com. Here's Bill Meyer. Hey, if you can hold your calls just for a few minutes, maybe about 10 minutes. Then we'll get right back to your conspiracy theory Thursday calls. Because I wanted to do a quick chat here with Josh Phillip, who was an award-winning chief investigative correspondent for the Epic Times.

By the way, my dog in the fight, I am a subscriber to the Epic Times. And Josh is also host of Epic TV's Crossroads program. He's joining the show now. Josh, good to have you on. Morning. Hey, a real pleasure being here. You know, no shortage of news these days. It's nothing else.

Man, it's like a fire hose, isn't it, day after day? You know, Trump driving the especially national news cycle, I bet it's a little exhausting for the folks over at Epic and all the other places, wouldn't you think? You know what? You've got to enjoy the ride sometimes. That would is. Something that has been intriguing that he came out with the other day, though. I wanted to talk with you, Josh, and that is the push to get rid of vote by mail.

And Oregon has been all in on vote by mail for a long, long time. Our state of Oregon, of course, is reacting in horror at President Trump's push to do an executive order and make this go away and make the federal elections. At least the federal elections would be not vote by mail. and they're saying, no, he can't do it, and he can't do it, and we're not going to do it, and et cetera. What I was kind of wondering about, given the way you've been reporting on this and looking forward to it, does he have the power to do it? And I'm not sure that he does, but maybe there's another agenda in play around this.

How are you seeing it already epic times, huh? He might have the power to do it. I might. Without a doubt, without a doubt, he's going to be legally challenged on it. The biggest challenge is going to have is from military, votes because, you know, remember, let's go back in time before COVID-19, vote by mail, you had to have a real excuse to do it. It wasn't something just anybody could do. You know, you had to have a real justified, you know, request for it. For the most part, it was, you know, people serving

in the military. When they did universal mail and ballot, the issue wasn't just in the ballots themselves. You know, you could argue that opens some doors. I think Trump may be able to do it if, if the case where Cash Patel, FBI director handed over the hidden, now-discovered documents the FBI had, suggested the Chinese Communist Party was playing to rig our elections with vote by mail. Remember, Cash handed those FBI reports to Chuck Grassley and then, of course, Congress. Trump may be able to use that as a justification, but really, I think the problem a vote-by-mail is a several-tiered problem. One is how do they, you know, when they were doing universal mail-in ballots for COVID-19, what they were doing is they went down a list of everybody

who is registered to vote. The problem is if a state doesn't clear its voting rolls, well, then you have people who left the state. You have people who died. You have people, you know, whoever, during COVID, during the 2020 elections, when I was living in New York, I got like three mail-in ballots that weren't even mine. And I just assumed, they were former residents. And then if you do it, so they have ballot drop boxes, anonymous location, you could just fill something out and drop it out off that. And if on top of it, you legalize ballot harvesting, where you're legally allowed to drop off other people's votes. How do they determine if you didn't just fill them out yourself if you're getting random

votes sent to your house? And then on top of that, when they were getting rid of signature verification, where the signatures don't even have the match, they opened the flood. gate, basically getting rid of every normal safe card we have on the election. And so I think Trump, it's going to be hard from to change it, but I don't think it's going to be impossible. Interesting. Now, like I mentioned to you in the beginning of this, Josh, Josh filled up, by the way, with me, and he's a chief investigative correspondent for the Epic Times.

Oregon has been all in on this for a long time, and we've had what I've termed a faith-based voting system. So Oregon was doing this before the rest of the country kind of did it. And I just don't know if people even can remember back to when we would go to a polling station. A person, nice lady, would open up the book and then check you in, check your ID, et cetera, et cetera. For all of its flaws, at least that there was voter identification. People were IDed before they voted. There was a chain of custody also.

And that's something that doesn't get talked about nearly enough. there's absolutely no secure chain of custody dropping something in the United States mail and then hoping that it gets there and that it is open properly, not tampered with, and then also run through the voting tabulators properly too. There's just no way to make a vote by mail secure, is there? I'm not, it's just physically impossible it would seem to be, not without great expense. There's no way you can make it completely secure. You know, you could argue that you could put safeguards in place,

like you mentioned, chain of custody, you know, signature verification is a basic one, having some kind of system with the ballots themselves to make sure that, you know, they have different ways of doing a paper and different ways of doing barcodes, or they can verify this not duplication, but they just don't do any of it. I do think that mail-in ballots, the process of having it were, you know, I don't think you could have total, you know, a total system of track it through the entire mail system. So in that, you're always going to have some problems, but, you know, chain of custody, like you mentioned. But, you know, there are some mid-level areas they could secure it that they're just plain all not doing.

And I think it's because, A, expensive, B, maybe nefarious actors, and I'm talking about both sides of the political aisle, may like it this way, because there's a little bit of a, squish that could be sometimes used for a political advantage for one party or another. I mean, I would consider how, well, the way that we do it in Oregon as an example, you can do vote by mail, and now the law has been changed to make it even looser, goosier, if there is such a term, in which we wait a week for all the ballots to come in before we start figuring out what it is. What could possibly, oh, as far as postmark, that we don't really care to.

much about that. What could possibly go wrong with such a rule of regulation, Josh? Kind of stirs your imagination, I'll bet. Yeah, yeah, the imagination is the limit on that one. Well, you know, you know what is interesting, actually. Well, so, I mean, just on your question, a lot can go wrong. Like, for example, people being like, okay, we lost the election by 1,000 votes. Oh, lo and behold, I just found, you know, 5,000 votes in the trunk of my car. Yeah, they're pristine ballots, no marks on them. They all look the same. There's no down-ballot voting, but count them anyways. And by the way, don't verify the signatures because they don't match.

Right. You know, that sounds far out, but that similar instance that have happened, quite a few times, actually, over the last, you know, two elections. So you're thinking, though, that it would be a tough lift or a long put for President Trump to be successful at this. are you aware of the mechanism that he would do this? Because I'm just looking at presidential authority to be able to do this via executive order. I don't know how he can, not without some kind of amendment or some kind of federal legislation, only because that traditionally it's been pretty well known that states run their own elections. Yes and no. COVID-19 changed a bit because he had a national emergency. see. I do think they probably will need some buy-in from Congress, but Trump may be able to change

some of the, not everything, but some of the standards by which federal elections are maybe verified or certified. He may be able to do that. And I do think they're going to, I do think they have an avenue where they probably can't close every loophole, but they can probably do that. The other big thing right now is that in the Supreme Court, is a case brought by a judicial watch with Tom Fitton. It's being brought against the government of Illinois, and they're trying to overturn counting ballots after election day because they can count up, I believe, 14 days after the election.

So that alone will probably impact mail-in ballot. That would be really interesting, depending on how the Supreme Court rules on that. But I read about how in the country of France, not exactly a right-wing kind of state, right? We know this. They get together, they do paper ballots, they're in person, and they count the ballots that night, and they count them locally, and then tally up all the results, and it's done. It's over.

Most countries do that. You know, I was in Taiwan for their elections because, you know, I do a lot of on-the-ground reporting, and I was amazed. I went to some of the ballot, several of locations. They'll let you in. Everybody can watch. They have the ballots are passed through several hands. they have several different checks and balances.

They count every ballot. They call it out. They show it to the public. They write it on a board. And they do that. And, you know, some people, and it's done within a few hours. If you know, voting days done by, you know, they know who's president by midnight. It becomes voting day or election day, not election season.

Or, like, you know, counting the votes month here, you know, the whole month of November, right? Which, by the way, Republicans note is what it says in the Constitution. that there is a day for it, not a week for it or a month for it. Yeah. Well, there might be some constitutional support then for some reform. And under the guise of convenience, we've kind of let it get slide and get looser and goosier over time. And maybe he will be able to do it. We'll keep up on that.

I'll bet you'll be keeping up on that over at Epic Times, right? Oh, tell me about it. Yeah, the ride never ends. But it's an interesting time, right? Hey, tell me about Crossroads. You're going to get a new one up there in just a few minutes. What are you doing today? Oh, yes.

I'm about to do the show. So Crossroads is my daily news show. And so I do news analysis, sometimes investigations. I've done several pretty big documentaries, including going to Panama, the Daring Gap, investigating the border crisis. I'm covering how the UN is basically running the whole show. I investigated the COVID-19 outbreak. traced to the Chinese lab, basically within a few months of the whole thing starting.

Got in a lot of trouble for that. Sometimes true information is a little too true for the moment, you know what I mean? Yeah, got that right. But I'm launching now an investigative show, too. I have a feature coming out tomorrow, in fact, about the artificial food colorings and going into what are the actual health impacts of it, and why are they not properly regulated in the United States. And we're looking at food colorings, which overseas have been banned for a long, long time.

Isn't that right? Yeah, and I go into the studies they use for their bans and why there's not taken in the United States. The simple hint is this. We have what's called Grass, generally regarded as safe. FDA doesn't even look into it. Guess who generally regards these things as safe? It's the businesses. Yeah.

Are those the same people that brought us safe and effective back during COVID time? Same people? Yeah, you know, you've got to trust. The science, you know what I mean? Yeah. Just turn on the blinders and trust what you say, what you've been told. Josh Phillip, and he is the award-winning chief investigative correspondent for the Epic Times, host of Epic TV's Crossroads. I've got another one coming up here in a few minutes.

I know you've got to get ready. Thanks for taking the time this morning, Josh. Be well. Pleasure. Thank you very much. By the way, I'm big fan of Epic Times. It's worth your subscription. It is 721.

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Great. Tom, it was today, August 23rd, 1926. Rudy Valentino dies, star of the silent screen. It was just huge. He was only 31, sent his fans into hysterical states of mass morning and in his brief film career. Rudy established a reputation as the arch typical, well, the archetype of a screen lover. Everybody knows that, right? Now, he was born, Rodolfo Guglielmi.

Gosh, I wish they wouldn't give me all these names to try to pronounce off the top of my head. But anyway, he immigrated to the United States in 1913, worked as a gardener, a dishwasher, a waiter, and a jiggle-o, before building a career as a vaudeville dancer. And then in 1917, he goes to Hollywood. he'd appeared as a dancer in the movie Alamone. He became known to casting directors as a reliable Latin villain type, and then he had a bunch of parts before winning a leading role in the four horsemen of the apocalypse. And he had all sorts of amazing films for that time,

The Sheik, Blood and Sand, and the Eagle. And I guess this morning, Tom, for the win, what did Rudy Valentino die? They got everybody so upset, hot and bothered. Was it A? appendicitis was it b did he fall tragic fall was it c suffocation d a ruptured ulcer or was it e complications from syphilis it's one of those and what do you say i think it was appendicitis you think it was appendicitis no it was not appendicitis let me go over to carroll hello carroll

how are you doing this morning i'm doing fine how are you I'm great. So it's not appendicitis. Rudy Giuliani, he dies, everybody goes crazy. Was it a tragic fall, suffocation, a ruptured ulcer, or syphilis? What killed him? Where it has to be syphilis? You're thinking it has to be syphilis, right? The lover, right? No, not this time. Sorry. Nice try. Let me go to Wally. Hello, Wally. How are you doing? I'm good, Bill. Thank you. All right. Well, we know it's not syphilis, so it's a tragic fall, suffocation, or ruptured ulcer. What? ended up killing Rudy Giuliani. Did I say Giuliani?

Giuliani. I did say Giuliani? Yes. Rudy Valentino. I'm sorry. Rudy, Rudy, Rudy. You know how it goes? I actually have Giuliani on my mind because I'm just very upset about how he's been trashed out there in the world.

But anyway, Rudolph Valentino. What killed him? Fall, suffocation, ruptured ulcer. I would say ulcer. Your thinking ruptured ulcers. Survey says, you're a way. Hey, good for you, Ollie. Valentino, Hollywood's first, male sex symbol, Rudy Giuliani, not sex symbol.

But we loved him anyway. By the way, Valentino lay in state for several days at a funeral home. Thousands of mourners rioted. They smashed windows. It was kind of like an NBA championship, really. You know that kind of thing? They smashed windows. They fought with police to get a glimpse of his body.

Standing guard by the coffin. Four fascists, allegedly sent by Italian leader. Benito Mussolini, but actually hired by Frank Campbell's press agent. August 30th, a funeral held at St. Malachi's church, and a number of Hollywood notables turned out. Everybody was there. Valentino's body shipped to Hollywood where another funeral was held at the Church of the Good Shepherd, September 14th. So a little bit of background. That was a big deal.

He was probably the original influencer out there in the culture, really. All right. Hang on, Wally. We're going to send you to Diner 62, and have a good time. News brought to you by Millette Construction, specializing in foundation repair and replacement. Get on solid ground. Visit Millet Construction.com. From the KMED News Center, here's what's going on.

It's a 10-year jail sentence for a Medford woman involved in a hit-and-run that left a bicyclist dead on the South Pacific Highway last year. Cassie Kavagnarro pleaded guilty in a Jackson County Court Wednesday to second-degree manslaughter, failure to perform the duties of a driver to an injured person and driving under the influence. The accident claimed the life of Ben Sheff and cyclist Jim Lee, Jason Thomas. Kavignaro also had her license suspended for life. Oregon's jobless rate reached 5% in July up from 4.2% a year ago. That's the highest it's been since the state recovered from COVID-19 lockdowns that pushed tens of thousands of people out of work in 2020.

Locally, Jackson County sits at 5.4%. And Josephine County has the second highest rate in the state at 6.8%. An extreme heat watch will hit the area starting tomorrow and is expected to last through next Tuesday, with highs around 105 throughout. The heat will also affect the fire danger throughout southern Oregon. Bill Lennon, KMED. It is 733. I believe that Francine, I don't know if I hung up on you if we just lost your call.

Francine, you're back now, right? Lost a lot these days. What is that now? I say the calls get lost a lot lately. Okay. It's been happening more and more. Yeah, well, I'm also told that the KMED.com website, site is down right now. He's right. And I'm reaching out to our people. I know we just got sold

the other day. I don't think it's connected. Hopefully it's not. All right. All right. We sold you. They forgot to transfer the domain or something. You know, maybe it is something like that. But actually, we'll get that chip. I'm sure that somebody just has not rebooted the server. It's probably what happened. That is possibility. All right. So that's a conspiracy theory Thursday.k.com is down because of the new owner. Not really. Okay. Well, what got me going was when you mentioned Rudy Giuliani by mistake.

Yeah. You know. That was pretty funny, though, actually. I did have really Giuliani on the mind. I'm talking about Valentino, but I couldn't help him. Yeah, I know. There is such a crushing of him in the culture right now, and to me, it actually discussed me. I sent some money to his legal defense fund a few days ago.

Well, I'll tell you what. Giuliani is not a good guy. He's really not. You know, people think he's, I mean, during 9-11, he was totally complicit in the lie, the big cover-up. Oh, I will agree with you on that. No, I know that there has been, there have been, it's checkered. It's complicated, as they say. I will agree with you that there was a, generally, shall we say, shading of the truth,

and there was the big lie we were all supposed to believe a lot of what happened out of 9-11. So I will concede your point on that. But on the other hand, what happened to him on election integrity and everything else, the crushing and the canceling to me was a huge injustice in my view, in spite of the other things. Okay? I've got another one, though. All right. All right.

When the prosecutor, I forget which state because somebody went after him, we're going after Purdue Pharma for the Oxycontin horrible drug debacle that went down. and he met with one of the uh prosecutors i think um she thought he was to her meeting because he was going to support her and he was oh no i'm supporting to produce pharma he supported the bad guys okay all right well you can you can still hate him you can do that if you want all right he's just not a good guy he he presents this really great you know persona and and i i got really when I found he was Trump's lawyer, you know, that knocked a whole bunch of points off at Trump besides many other things. But really, Bill, he's not a good guy.

I don't care about the other stuff. I was talking about the election integrity. That's what I went after him for. Rudy Giuliani was crushed not for being a bad guy, okay? And if there are other stuff, great. We can sit there and talk about it. I'm not saying that he was an angel, all right? But what I am saying, though, is that the voting integrity situation, the slap back there from Dominion and all the rest of it, crushed any real investigation at that time, okay? Well, that's true, too. All right.

So he can still be a not perfect guy and also have been unjustly treated in that situation. So that's where I'm coming from, okay? Well, you know, Bill, nobody in no situation has ever just flat one-sided. So I'll give you that. All right. All right. We agree. All right.

Bye. Back to your corner now. This is the Bill Meyer's show. CCB number 32787. Hi, I'm Lisa with Kelly's Automotive Service, and I'm on KMED. 738. Mark Hotto is in studio with me. If you're watching him on Facebook, there we go.

Mark, wave to the folks. There we go. All right. Give me another talk. Maybe I didn't have your microphone on. You're still there? Oh, can you hear me now? Yep, hear me now.

All right, I'll get a little closer. Yeah, we got everything there and into the broadcast. Now, we know you're from Jay Austin. We've talked to you off and on, but we're actually going to talk about you in your personal life in this particular time. and it has to do with land use planning. Oregon is one of those states, arguably, in my opinion, is since we have centralized state land use planning, is, yeah, you own it in name only.

Kind of. Essentially, Luba and the administrative state via SB 100 and the various other intrusions really control the ability of people to use their property for peaceful purposes. Fair enough? Yeah, there's a lot of heavy controls going on, And then the problem is, though, is when you can't even, when you can't follow the law, like they will not let you do what is legally permissible with your property.

And they do this by not answering questions, avoiding serious questions in order to obfuscate the process. And in the latest example we have is when I was on my case at Lubiger and oral arguments, the county attorney added a new criteria for being able to get this forest labor camp, not forest, but forest labor camp. He could submit a forest management plan. Okay. Well, that wasn't in the application. It never was, right?

So it's more, so to speak, shade thrown on you. We'll now jump through this hurdle. And it's not supposed to be that way, by the way. By law, my research indicates it's supposed to be very clear from the very beginning, right, where there's a check-the-box type of experience. And there is very little of that check-the-box experience when it comes to land use appeals. And I want to talk about this, okay? Yeah, it's okay.

Go ahead. All right. All right. Let's start it right from the beginning for people who weren't here months ago. Yes. When we were, because we were talking about this originally, you have some land up on the plateau, right? Yes, up on, yes. All right?

Yeah, up on dead Indian. And it is zoned what again? So it's woodland resource. It's approximately a 40-acre parcel. It has a Measure 49 home-side approval. And we initially bought it with the intent to do some selective logging because there's a lot of dead standing. So that would be salvage logging, actually. And to do some salvage logging up there to make it a little more fireproof, right?

And because it had the old Measure 49 home-side approval, then we were going to be able to build a home up there. That'd be nice. It'd be great, right? Everybody be happy, 40 acres, plenty of room. Right. And so, you know, at the time I didn't understand, I had not researched the land use laws as much as I have now, obviously. And so I built some small structures that were under 200 square feet. There was one existing structure, by the way, that didn't show up on satellite, which, interestingly enough, we didn't really discover until closing because it was in the forest.

It was under a tree. It's very small. It's like 100 square feet. And so there was one existing structure. And then there were some other small shed-like structures that I built, that we built. and then a carport for heavy equipment and such. And this is all for Woodland Resource use for the logging. Yeah, Woodland Resource means you're going to actually log up there.

Right. You're going to use it for the for the Sinbill 150 and 10, which is why all this, why we have all these problems with our land now is everything's categorized and you have to use it for certain purposes, right? So I was issued, I had a watch person for my equipment up there and an RV. At the time, I didn't know that you needed to get an ODF notification.

It's actually not a permit after I've investigated. But it's a notification for heavy equipment use. And that notification lets them know that, hey, I'm in the forest doing things. And in the year, you report how much you've harvested. And then they apply a tax to it if you didn't pay it already at the mill. Like if you sold it independent. Oh, yeah, per million board feet or whatever. Yeah, yeah, for a thousand board feet.

So, yeah, there's a limit of like 25,000 you can do that's kind of just for small foresters, such as myself. But so I didn't know about that. So I learned about this through the process. But one of the things that was happening was, is it started off with, it started off with a complaint from the neighbor who, who didn't want me using the easement, which I had a right to use. I have an unrestricted easement. And so I was having deliveries of materials to cover the sawmill at the time. So she made a complaint to planning. And then she speculated that there was, you know, home and such things up there.

Not true, okay. I'd say, hey, there's a home up here, unpermitted home. That's what she was alluding to. She was very careful with how she worded it, I think, is what she said. And then the dogs of hell from Jackson County planning released on you? Yes, that's right. So the problem, so normally what would happen is you would get this drive-by, and they would look and see, right?

Well, my property is way off the road, so you can't drive by. There is no legal reasoning to go in there. You can't say I saw it from the road. There's no emergency, right? I looked all this up. I've researched this. And internal messages, by the way, I'm planning it, admit the trespass.

I got my hands on one of those. And so they've hidden most of those from me using, you know, obfuscating the records process. And you can't do this, by the way. You can't run this operation without attorneys because they defend you while you're behaving and lawfully in planning. Okay. And so the issue is, is,

so there was the, There was the trespass, three different trespasses from code enforcement. I caught them on camera. I got their images through a records request, and their images on there where this person was within 100 feet of me taking photos, and they were driving a white vehicle. Well, all the contractors I ever have come up, and myself included, we have white Chevrolet, 2,500 HDs, are the GMC version, right? And they're all white.

And so my watch person recorded the county vehicle, not realizing it was a county vehicle, saying, hey, there's somebody, we thought they were working on the pipeline because they drive the same truck. So they got by because they're driving what everybody else does. Yeah, exactly. They look like a contractor. They look like a contractor. And so they trespassed three times on the property.

And, you know, there were some issues I wasn't in proper compliance with the law. And so I'm like, well, I need to get in compliance. And this is where the battle begins, because they will either not respond to your emails or, in my case, Don Cox, planner number three, lied to me about how to comply after she initially denied my permit. And this creates a problem, but they do this boldly. I was like, well, this is going to be easy. This is clearly not legal, right? And when I was, after I was on the show, the first time, I had a lot of phone calls from people who had similar things. and I started to look at what she did.

And this was the lie. So I applied for the permit, which was suggested. Apply for the permit for what? For the forest labor camp, because you need to have someone. You need, so the permit doesn't exist, by the way, but that's another story. I'll get into that later. So when you put in your ODF notification of heavy equipment, you have to have all your fire suppression stuff, right?

All your equipment available because you can't let your situation cause a problem for your neighbors, which is perfectly fine. Makes a lot sense. Yeah, yeah. No, it's really good. And it's very detailed. And if you follow those rules, you're not going to have a fire. I mean, it's pretty good.

And so, well, you're not going to have one get out of control. If you're able to get your equipment running and I test it all the time, it's my property. I don't want it to burn. And so when I applied for the, when I gave them the heavy equipment notification, I also applied to the county for a type one review. So there's type one, two, three, and four reviews, right? To my, this is my research. I'm not a lawyer, so be, you know, be careful about quoting this as legal advice because it's not. So the type one review is a very simple, and it was, you check the boxes.

And once you check the boxes, to my understanding, if the land qualifies, you're supposed to get the permit, which is not really called a permit, but you're supposed to get the use, you know, approved. Permits, I believe. For having some heavy equipment out there to do. Well, to have people. To have people. Because it's, well, if they're staying overnight, like. like the person in the RV, right? So if you have...

Because you can't leave equipment out there in the middle of nowhere because it will be vandalized and or stolen. Everybody knows that right now. That's right. You can't do it. And so, honestly, I think she just thought I was a poor person making this up and decided to treat me like that.

You're speaking of one planners? Don Cox, planner number three. I think she thought I was dumb and poor. I honestly think that, Bill. Sometimes my writing looks like chicken scratch, you know, And so you can make that mistake because my hands were damaged when I was younger. And so you can make that. And I think that was the mistake that was made.

Hey, we're going to destroy this guy. He's poor. He's dumb. You really honestly think that Jackson County planning is that serious, that there are people within that that are there to destroy people? After I was on the show. Well, okay, so first of all, when you talk to them, like I know people who know them, right? And they're very nice. They're very nice.

They're very kind. very cordial, I mean, people that would be like, wow, it would be really great, you know, to hang out with these people. They're so nice, okay? But what we have to do is we have to look at what happened. Okay. So you can be nice, but we need to look at what happened and how you dealt with it when it was brought to your attention. This is extremely important. And in this case, when she denied the permit, she said, well, you can't get this, this camp permit because you have a home on the property, right? But you don't have a home on the property? I don't, but she, they took photos, they

trespassed, they took photos, and they didn't have evidence, by the way. That was, I can't, you can't call it falsification of evidence, but it was construction of evidence. You did not have evidence that I have a home on the property. What you saw was a green building built by the previous owner, okay? And you're saying someone's living there because you saw someone standing in front of it loading and unloading a vehicle who've been on the property for two hours at the time are less. And so, and trespass. And you have to prove yourself innocent. Is that? You do. So when you look at the paperwork, it says when you come to your administrative hearing, you get to state your case. Well, they're supposed to put the evidence first, right? Not you state your case. But it says right there

on the document, you'll have a chance to state your case. It's like, well, no, you're supposed to see the evidence against you and why that evidence counts for that. purpose, right? How did they construct this evidence to say there's a home, right? And how do they obtain the evidence? They obtained it through trespass, right? So whatever you get, you can't use. Well, you're talking about a constitutional court, all right? You're talking about Article III standards. If I recall correctly, one of the most insidious aspects of land use is that there is no Article three constitutional review kind of court involvement. These are administrative courts, is it not? So do my understanding, and I'm not an attorney, once you get past Luba, which is an administrative hearing, you get into the Oregon Court of Pills, which is more difficult because there's a lot of technical aspects to making sure that appeal comes out right.

And so being a pro se or self-representative litigant in this case, it's easy to make one of those mistakes where Luba, they will send you, they're more likely to send you a notice of correction, and then you're going to have a chance to correct it. So it gets more difficult when you get into the Court of Appeals. And that's where I'm at right now. I just mailed the brief off yesterday. So you didn't get your permit. You don't have a house up there. So I did get it. I did get the permit the second time around, but they put an expiration date on it that made it unusable.

And they admitted, thankfully, in oral arguments, the county attorney admitted that they knew it wasn't going to work. All right. So that's a total abuse of process. But yet, why would they issue, why would county planning issue the permit to be able to do this? but with a time frame on it that they knew you couldn't use it. Well, I got a better question for you. Why, when you're asking how to comply, they would give you, Bill, a method of compliance that cannot be achieved on your property and would ultimately result if you were poor in the loss of your property.

Why would they do that? Very nice, by the way, very nice person. Beautiful doctors. So why would that person? information is given to you then yes why would someone do that so this is the real question and what the amazing thing about it is is this is a problem that's not just in jackson county and because it's administrative in nature elected officials really can't do anything about it and that's the amazing thing about this because i have no doubt you likely went to of course county commissioner

yeah and by the way we have the absolute you know now that i'm talking to people at a national level and have even been talking, communicating the Department of Justice at the federal level, okay? This is a national problem, okay? And what happens in our little communities is a beautiful place to live is people misconstrue what the planning department is doing with their elected officials. And then they seek this change of elected officials and you get worse. And we can only, like, we have the best. county commissioners you can get. I mean, I've researched this. We have incredibly good county

commissioners. And because this is administrative in nature, you can't go in there. And it's not a situation where you can just go in there and fire someone. And what's amazing is, in the administrative state, lying like this is not a big deal. And it, see, to me it is. To me, it's like, if I were, if I were what I think she suspected I was, what would have happened is I would have paid the several thousand dollars to get the home site approval, which I already have through Measure 49. And because my property doesn't meet the woodland resource guidelines, from my study, it needs to be over, I believe, 140 acres, or in my case, since it's a 40 acre parcel, it needs to have a certain number of homes within 600 and, six, a quarter mile, you know, a quarter mile, no, a square mile, like 640 acres, 600 and some odd acres.

And I don't meet that criteria. So I would have paid the fee. After paying the $900 fee, which I couldn't find in the code, I would have paid this multi-thousand dollar fee for the home site approval while I've got these citations, okay, going to the administrative hearing. an administrative hearing, they would have found me guilty no matter what. I believe that, okay? And then the fines would have started to compound daily, and they're pretty high. And what would the fines have been for again? So the fine was for the unpermitted dwelling and for the RV that the watch person was staying in.

And there were some grading ones that were remedied because I got the ODF heavy equipment notification. So it becomes under state, state guidance, not local. And so you're sitting, and then they give you a citation for every person that's on the deed. So it's my wife and I. So she got one and I got one. And then we got, she got one for the RV and then I got one for the RV. So you've got four citations. So that starts out at 4,000.

And I believe if you, you know, if you fight it, it can go up to 1,500. But then they can start to apply daily charges to you. of that hearing, right? And these are outrageously high. So within a year, you know, in our property, we've probably, probably exceeded the value of the property. In the meantime, not answering questions on compliance. County attorney to this day has not answered the question. So what's your criteria for a forest management plan if that's what it takes for me to get this permit that you guys made up, right? So we've got a made up permit, right? And we have this lack of providing the criteria to get the permit and then before the court acting like you don't

understand but but don't they but don't they hide this behind we are not here to give legal advice they do but they do give legal advice she told me to get a home site approval that's legal advice under their definition if that's but at the same time won't tell me how to meet their criteria do you see the problem so so telling me so asking me the question okay so i'm just trying i'm just running this through my uh you know my my your head gets turned upside down with you hear of these kind of stories because I have a feeling there are a lot more Mark Huddo's out there's a ton more there's a ton more yeah that you know heads planning wins tails you lose yes that's that's it that's it and people are

terrified like I I can't really a lot of the information I get I can't really share because it exposes who the person is right like their experience and they're terrified because they're afraid like in my case and I understand why they're terrified because in my case, I said, what law did you use to trespass on my property three times? No answer. So it occurred to us because this is an administrative situation that maybe they took our Measure 49 Homeside approval from us. Maybe they stole it because they wanted to, because they're doing whatever they want, right? To a certain degree, I can't say they're doing whatever they want, but within certain boundaries, you can define it as they're kind

of making things up as they go along. All right. Now, you already had, you bought the property with a Measure 49 home site approval. Right, but she said it was invalid. It clearly said on the county website that it wasn't. And so we're looking at each other going, maybe they took it. So what you want to do when... Which makes it essentially worthless for you. Totally, totally.

It just becomes a salvage logging situation and the intent and purposes are gone. So, and I believe that was a form of mental terror. And I believe that it's not unique to me. me. I don't think I was the only person that had this happen to them. And so you want to ask questions. So you're like, you're trespassing whatever you want on my property. And it's legally trespass under federal definition and state and the constitution of state and federal. How are you doing it? They don't answer. So at this point, you would think if you were looking at this and you were an attorney, you would think, well, this needs to stop. And so he did say, they won't come on. He

did admit they said well they won't come on anymore unless they have a legal reason yeah well i don't understand why they didn't just use drones they have drones right now well i don't know about so there are some laws over drones around drones i don't know what they are oh but i think there is a reason for that uh but i i i'm not a specialist so i don't know that and i don't want to go into the area of the unknown that i haven't researched so i can't even give you an opinion on that all right why don't you hold this sure i want to give you some more time because yeah i have a feeling other people are going to be checking in with maybe a similar story they might be Yeah. And they may not. People are terrified of planning. They're terrified. And rightfully so.

And you know, and we shouldn't be terrified of anything. No, you shouldn't have attorneys helping you do this. You can't do this without the attorneys. You should not have them helping. The second you start lying to an applicant, the person there that's supposed to be upholding the law should be going to wait a second. Don't do that. No, but there's none of that. There's no admission that she was lying until their motion to dismiss to try to deny me that. the ability to be heard, and they admitted, well, she misspoke. No, no, no, no. Back when we said, how did you take our home side approval, someone should have responded and said, no, we didn't take your home side approval. That was a mistake. But that would take away the terror of the control, because if you throw something at someone that's way more, it's like a larger stake than what they've got, you know,

I'm fighting now for just to have a caretaker and occasionally someone stay up there when we're doing the logging operation. Now you're fighting for your home side approval, do you see? So when you throw that at someone, you're like, well, you don't have what you thought you had. So you're totally off base. And now what's going to happen? Most people, if they're afraid of you and they're the mouse that you thought you caught the trap, not the pit bull that you actually got, okay, they're going to back off. And they're going to try to make everything okay.

And they're going to do whatever they can to comply and be obsequious to get this done. And this is what most people do. and I'm not doing that. I'm on the radio exposing this and I'm in the court exposing this and there's more court cases coming from this. All right. Talking with Mark Huddo this morning on KMED, KMED, HATO,

Eagle Point, Medford, KVXG, Grants Pass. We're going to break for Town Hall News and we'll continue a bit more on this and flesh it out where we find ourselves now. Are there more Mark Hottos out there? Probably and we'll dig into the frustration coming up. to all our best of Southern Oregon.