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Episode Date: August 21, 2025

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The Bill Myers Show podcast is sponsored by Klausur drilling. They've been leading the way in southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausor drilling.com. Mark Hutto, back from, of course, his property up on the plateau. And he's talking about the legal challenges of dealing with county planning, state law, and how it appears that, I guess, like I mentioned last hour, heads planning wins, tails you lose. and advice is given even though they're not supposed to give advice.

Well, no, they're supposed to give guidance. They give guidance, okay. Right, but they don't give guidance under the guise of not giving legal advice. But then they give legal advice under the guys. Like in my case, I got the bad legal advice, right? Go get your home side approval you can't get. Go through this other gauntlet of compliance. You're never going to get it.

The point being, though, is that there appears to be a totally different branch of government which is untouchable by political power. And I think that's what we're really, which you're kind of really bringing up here with planning in the state land use realm. Right. They're well trained. So they know that they can frustrate your compliance by simply not answering questions.

And then in my case, of course, they did answer questions, but they answered them intentionally wrongfully from the best perspective I can see. And you're just trying to take this woodland resource harvest a few trees, get a home site, which your site was approved for. Yes, back in the 90s. When you bought it back in the 90s.

And it has been one frustration after another. And so they came after you. Correct. And then they wouldn't provide proper guidance to get in compliance, at least the people that work in planning wouldn't. And so the amazing thing about this is they're well-trying to do this, I believe. and so while they're she's misguiding me which I'm not sure if they were trained to actually lie I can't find that anywhere because that's that's a verifiable thing right to to lie to someone about their property well I think lie is also intent though has to show intent she intentionally lie

yeah absolutely and I think the record will prove that because they didn't correct the lie and in fact they downplayed it it was a misstatement well no it was a lie from an experience planner. And you can know that because when I put in the records request, the answer was, well, I've got some records for you, but they won't probably prove how long she's been working as a planner. So I had to do some background research. Yes, this is an experienced planner we're dealing with. This was no accident. And if it was, they could have mentioned it like immediately after they said it and we began to question it. So the problem is with this is that when these things happen and you bring it to their attention, especially to, you know,

one of the county attorneys, you expect them to fix it. For example, in the case of the citations, where the information was obtained illegally, where they trespassed your property. Correct. That's right. And the information was not even substantial. Like, it doesn't meet any narrative of evidence based on my research. And so when you bring it to their attention, you expect them to do something.

But, no, they wait to see if you can be heard, if your case will be heard. right and then they correct it when they realize you're going to so it's not about it's not about right or wrong it's about well does the process require us to do anything and if not we're we're going to let you twist i would argue the process might require them to do something i'm still researching this because you know they're paid by me too and the job is to follow course don't ever go to a county employee and then say hey i pay your salary i don't know of course not you would never say that no and i would never i would never say that that that is not a smart move It's like tell that. Tell back to a cop sometimes.

Yeah, no, no. No, but I'm speaking just from the perspective of they're not supposed to be representing someone for the purpose of unlawful activity. They're supposed to be representing the law as my, you know, is the way I'm looking at this. And so using the courts in this manner where, well, let's see if he gets to appeal and, you know, if he can get that heard. Now, the county backed off, though, once they actually saw that. you were kicking it up into a higher realm, is that right? Had, for example, I'm not being able to get my case accepted by Luba, those citations would have still been there.

They should have been removed the moment that I provided the evidence. You know, I had a camera photo and I had the evidence that they came on in trespassed, right? And that it was trust. There was no way they could explain that it wasn't trespass. And so once they saw that, when I brought that to their attention, it should have been corrected immediately. But it wasn't.

Well, let's see if he can get his case heard. Well, okay, now I got his case heard. oh, now he's going to file for an extension citing the law of illegally obtained evidence, now we'll remove the citations because they knew that was a federal issue as well. Because we're caught now. We're caught now, yeah. So we've got to do it. So now, so the thing about it is, is Don Cox, the planter number three.

Now this is your opinion. I'm not. This is my opinion. Okay. And, well, looking at the way planning works, I believe she's still making decisions when I'm asking questions. So they say, well, she's no longer on the case. because the manager got assigned to it. Well, manager is not the same as a planner.

You've got a planner, and they're just not saying who it is. I mean, they're claiming they are. They're claiming. So put it like this, I don't believe them because there is a history here of not telling the truth, okay? And I have a right not to believe them. So basically you're having to go through these procedures before you can get justice. Now, here's a couple of things that clearly I believe they know.

And one of them is that that permit they issued me that they charged me for doesn't actually exist. No one's ever been issued one before in Jackson County. And so we're fighting in the courts over something they made up that they're presenting to the court like it's not made up. To me, I don't know, that just seems a little sketchy, right? I mean, to me it does. It's like you need to be a little bit more transparent. Now, if the job is to, and this is why I believe this may be the job, the job is to obfuscate compliance for the purpose of denying people use of their land, then they're doing a really good job

because it's an excellent job because basically people who don't have the money to fight can't use their land when they decide that they can't use it for the purposes that they want to. I can use my land. I can log it if I go up there during the day and bring all my equipment up. there and log it for a couple hours and haul all my equipment back down, including my, you know, 2,000 gallon water tank on three trips, okay, I can use it. But if I want to legally have a watch person there, you know, I've got to go to the appeals court, probably the Oregon Supreme Court is what I'm guessing. Now you are outside. And then federal court. Now you are outside

now, your legal status right now. This is outside of the administrative, right? Well, I'm in the appeals court. So, yeah, I, so the appeals court can only use from the record of what was in the Lubba appeal, right? So the administration, the administrative state limits what can be seen. Okay. Now, I am arguing that some of these things should have been seen that they didn't allow because of, they didn't allow it because they claimed there was a technical error or something like that, when the purpose is actually the truth at the lower level. They're not supposed to throw things out on technical errors. But, yes, so I'm arguing that the ODF's testimony, which I signed an affidavit to saying that these permits are not issued in Jackson County, that this is another obfuscation,

basically, this doesn't exist. And these are the permits of, for the camp. For the camp. Yeah, you're supposed to just, once you put the ODF notification in that you're going to have heavy equipment up there and you have your fire gear, they can do spot inspections. It's actually, I mean, in some ways it's stricter than the county. For fire control, it is. district or the county because we have to have water with this and available wherever we're working. And there's fines if you don't. What is next then? What is coming next? So the next step is obviously the, I'm in the Oregon Court of Appeals. And so I filed my brief yesterday. So it was a new learning process. You have to learn what they accept, what elements they want in

their brief. And then you have to serve everyone properly. And so if they accept the brief, then I need to fill another paper for oral arguments and then we'll argue before the Oregon Court of Appeals. And you're doing this pro se? I'm doing it myself, yeah. Is that good idea? Well, you know, people talk, you know, like,

there's certain things, you know, they always say you want to hire an attorney, but the thing about it is when you've got a million dollars worth of lawsuits you need to file, you might want to learn how to do it. you know what I mean you might and I've won some motions

I've definitely won some motions you know there was a motion to one of the most important ones I won which was they filed a motion to dismiss which is you know commonly filed yeah go away a little boy yes and so the

you know this motion to dismiss basically says you don't have standing and you can't you can't do it it's not a land use decision and so how could you don't have standing it's only your land

Well, they're trained, they're trained to, the argument was it wasn't a land use decision. So you wouldn't, you wouldn't be able to, not so much that you don't have standing because, you know, you're right. It's my land. But it's more of the argument, the way I read it was, well, it wasn't a land use decision. We, after we made these things up, we, we read them out. And because we read them out in the line, it was not, it was ministerial in nature. There was no, you know, there was no subjectivity to it. Boy, what a bunch of unaccountable crap.

It is, it is. It's only made possible. In my opinion. It's made possible by the attorneys. The attorneys are the ones that make it difficult to get the internal communications and make these arguments knowing that this person lied, knowing this permit doesn't exist. And presenting it, you know, it's like the court, when I mentioned, hey, you know, I've got these affidavits. I want you guys to look at, which they didn't, they did, but they didn't allow it.

He started talking about, well, there could be people logging on federal land. The state has no, ODF permit has nothing to do with that. Yeah. So it's good to get oral argument. It's because it's really, so this is the only time you really get solid answers is in the court. And sometimes the court will actually ask the questions that you really need to ask. And they did. They asked the right questions.

And it looked like if you go online and you look at the case, Hutto v. Jackson County, you can get a better understanding of it. It's on YouTube. You, it looks like I might win this thing because they're asking, well, didn't you know this permit wasn't going to work when you issued it? Yeah, but we only looked at the evidence presented before us, which by. the way it's not a type one review it's check the box that's type two and above okay i get that we're going to take a break and then take a few calls maybe some people have a question about this sure flesh this out maybe they've experienced them themselves but what is concerned me then and and this is a philosophical i don't know if you can if you can engage in this or not sure i know

with my interviews with mr x and you know who has come on and talk to me about the law sure There is peace and security and tranquility within the law, and the problem is trying to get to the law. And I think that's what you're trying to do here. The challenge that you're dealing with planning, and I would dare say practically any planner here in southern Oregon or 90% of them, is that their association, planning, you know, planning.org, their website is completely and totally.

I mean, we're talking sucking from the teat. of sustainable development, smart growth, you know, doing everything possible to keep people off their land, especially in the rural areas. And I can't help but wonder if your experience with county planning or maybe someone's experience with planning in some other area is just representative of this is the agenda that the entire planning world, unelected by us, by the way, I would add, right this is their agenda yes so you're dealing with planners that came out of the schools right the schools play a role in this for sure yeah yeah the schools play a role in this it's too tight the

ship is run too tight and it's too obvious you know that there's something wrong here at while this is happening right while I'm observing these activities and listening to what they're saying and and them taking as long as they can to respond to requests and and of course people within the government are saying these are not the droids you're looking for but yes Yes, indeed. These are the droids that are doing it. I can't help but wonder. So normally you could try to make that argument, but, you know, if you look at the case, if you go on to the YouTube site and you look at Hutto v. Jackson County and you listen to the oral arguments, this is no accident. This is intentional. And while they're engaged in this, they're so used to winning against people that they're just openly just don't care. It's like, you know, if I were a planner, I'm planning.

I'm from county planning. I might have lied or whatever it is. No, I didn't even say that. I don't care. I don't have to. They don't have to. They can do whatever they want because it's administrative in nature. Elect officials don't really, you can't go in there and fire someone.

You can't go in there. Have you talked to any of the county commissioners about this? Yeah, and we have a great body of county commissioners. What do they tell you? Well, they can shed light on it. And they did. You know, they shed light on it. It's like, well, first of all, um,

There is a little hurdle. You have to have your evidence to show that you are, in fact, being truthful, right? This is important. And you need to be diligent. You know, you don't want to sit back in your chair and expect everyone else to do this for you. The reality is, you know, the way the situation is set up, people can't just walk in there and fire people. Okay, there's a union. And those attorneys are, it appears, are protecting these people who are in that union as opposed to protecting the public trust.

and so it's a very difficult shield to penetrate. And it's the reason it's a national issue. It's everyone's dealing with this. Because it's not Jackson County. It's not Josephine County. It's everybody. And you want to see it get worse. You put somebody in office who doesn't care like those people that were running the Jackson

County for all situation. You put one of those guys in. You're going to see it get worse. And unfortunately, in some of the counties, people confuse this with the commissioners. and it creates problems and we don't want to have that happen here. All right, I'm talking with Mark Huddo. Happy to take your call

if you have a question or a comment on this and it is, wow, you know, makes your eyes water a little bit of glaze. It does, yeah, it's pretty insane. But that's why it's Conspiracy Theory Thursday. This is the bill. Talk about it on News Talk 1063, KMED. It's the Bill Meyer Show on KMED,

Southern Oregon's Place to Talk. What a story is Mark Hutto. He is sharing. his experience of county planning and citations, permit denials, obfuscation, being told wrong stuff. And now he's going to be going, you've taken this, you've actually busted this open and going into the Oregon Court of Appeals stage of this. Correct, that's right.

Okay, and so September 30th, you're going to be... I believe that's when they're going to be taking the case in. Taking the case. I put the appeal in, I put in the notice, and then I sent my brief off yesterday. And so once they accept the brief, then... Yeah, and your basic take on this right from the beginning has been that, generally speaking, planners in the government, as a rule, just assume that the little people aren't going to fight. And so pretty much people are trampled and their property is not being used or they're not able to get their permits or they're so frustrated that they can't get any real use. Well, yes, if you look at what you're dealing with here, you're dealing with, you know, a type 1 permit and you would have to go to land use board of appeals in order to do anything about it. And that's going to cost you thousands and thousands of dollars with attorney fees, especially if you're going to go to oral arguments. All the rights start with property rights, though. And it does. Yeah, the rights, exactly. They start with property rights. And so when you have this process set up, the courts are kind of a weapon because they're a barrier for people to,

be able to get justice and so you just will take it to court to go hire an attorney and uh if you have to do that every time you need to use your land they're draining the wealth of society by by doing these parasitic loads so to speak right i i let me go to uh scott let's go to scott and grand span scott you had a question for mark and his experience there with planning go ahead yeah i actually got a couple of questions you know years ago i i used to do the I could go into a county. This is up in Washington State, but I could go into a county in 20, 30 minutes I could walk out with all my permits. This is like 30 years ago.

Well, then one day I go into the county and all of a sudden the people I need to talk to aren't there, and I'm dealing with some of the county doesn't know what's going on. I can't get to the person I need to talk to. Correct. So my question to you is it looks like it's going to cost you several thousand dollars here to get through this, the time frame. And have you thought about when you get done with this, publishing your process you went through so the rest of us could go do the same thing? Yes. And do you think that what you're doing is going to cause the system to change or is it just about your particular

situation? So I'm not in this just for my situation. I'm in this because this is the only way to bring accountability to the system. And I actually have registered a domain that I have not published yet, planning.com. Sue planning.com. Oh, I like that. It's not up yet, but the reality is, as, I reckon, you know, I love this county, and I believe we have a really good county and it's really well run, and planning kind of runs independently of that.

And it does in most counties, you know, Josephine County has their problems as well, and so does Lane. I've spoken to people all over the state, all over the country. It's a national issue. And it needs to be. fixed and part of this is extremely stressful too, by the way, knowing that someone can just say whatever they want almost. Yeah, because when I walk in there and talk to them, it's like extortion.

It is. Give us $5,000 to $7,000 and we'll tell you if you can do what you want to do. Right. They won't tell you. They should be able to tell you right at that count. They are. They're able to tell you. That's what my understanding is.

they're able to tell you, and then they hide under not giving legal advice. If they weren't able to tell you, then why would they give me the bad advice? Why would they give, you know, you hear from all these people, they got bad advice. And so they don't know what it is, is they're not allowed to tell you the proper way of compliance is what it seems like. But then what's the purpose of the rules then? The rules are to obfuscate the use of your land is what it appears. That's my opinion. Yeah.

At least that's the actual actionable. That's what happens. You can be nice all you want, but ultimately, if you're telling me things that aren't factually correct and you know you can't be fired and you have an attorney that you can hide behind on a type one permit that's supposed to be checked the box and you can claim attorney-compliant privileges, which is what's happened here, then you are operating with the intent to deny people due process and the use of their land and rightfully, because I'm only asking for stuff that's available under the law.

Thank you very much for the call, Scott. Did you have any more questions? Scott, was there anything else? I'm sorry, I didn't want to cut you off. Yeah, one of the thing here, with the RAND Corporation, they are ones, I think, that puts all this stuff together to change things so that we can't get through things. So my question to you then

would be is, what do you see your time frame for finishing this, for getting to your answers and getting things changed. Well, what I'm noticing is the only way you get answers is in the court in oral arguments. It appears that you can get meaningful answers. And I haven't really looked at the time frame. I'm not really worried about it because this is a, this is such a serious issue. And it's such a simple permit that they obfuscated intentionally, I believe. Well, I think it's clear.

I think the evidence shows it. This is an incredibly serious issue, and it is not lawful activity, in my opinion, from what I can see. And so to me, it doesn't matter the time frame. It doesn't matter how many courts you have to go through. This needs to be fixed, and there needs to be some form of accountability. If we don't do this now, if we don't look at planning as the source of the problem and start doing something about this now, If you look at the sequence of events from 1978 until now, if you apply that from now for the next 40 years, you're not going to have any property rights.

Period. Yeah. All right, Scott. Appreciate the call. Let me grab another one here. You're on with Mark Hutto on KMED. Hi, this is Bill. Who's this?

This is Logan, Bill. Hey, Logan. What are you thinking? Hey, Mark, I just want to thank you for having the courage and the backbone to stand up and tell your story about what's going on because I guarantee you're just a drop in the bucket. I am. I am, Logan. I am one of many. Most of the stories I can't tell because the people are too terrified to even have it repeated on the air because they'll be identified.

Oh, yeah, no, it is what it is. Yeah, it's amazing how people come out of the woodwork and tell you things that you would never believe when they, and you'll get some calls now from people. Yes. I'm sure you'll get a lot of contact. That said, I just want to thank you for having the courage to do this. That attorney you're talking about, is his name happened to be Joel Benton? No, it's not Joel. It's Peter Philbrick is the county attorney in this case. And I can't tell if he's being instructed or not. So that's one of the reasons I didn't really, haven't really mentioned him because in the capacity as an attorney, frequently you're being instructed by someone what to do. And so it's a tough area to really, I don't have enough knowledge in the area to discuss it. You don't necessarily know who has agency to make choices on it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, just do that. Yeah. Appreciate the call there, Logan.

I'll take one more, and then we'll have to wrap up, and we'll definitely keep you in the loop on that, or keep us in the loop on this story here. Hi, this is Bill. You're on KMED, and you're with Mark Huddo. Who's this? Is it me? Yes, it is.

It's you. Hi. You know, I want to tell you a story about opening a restaurant here in Ashland back in 84. Tell us. I sat down with the city officials, got all my ducks in a row. Everybody agreed to everything. I went out and started working on the rest of it.

restaurant. Lo and behold, another official came in. No, you can't do that, but I was told I can back and forth. Anyway, the next time I had to go down to the city, I sat there with my day planner open, and I made a log of everything he said, and then at the end, I said, okay, item number one, you said, such and such and such and such and such and you go. That's what I said, and I flip my planner over and I said, would you please initial that paragraph? Oh, no, I'm not going to do that. Exactly. So that I wrote down, I wrote down verbally confirmed so-and-so refuses to initial. And I went through the entire thing. I thought a copy, did hand him a copy. And I said, if I have any problem with any of this stuff that you've

agreed to, I'm coming after you personally, not corporately. And he backed off. They never bothered me again. Right. So that's the key. And I believe, you know, I believe they're personally liable, especially when they lie. And I don't, I do. You know, it's because you're not, there's nowhere in Oregon law that allows them to lie are give you bad advice. And so that's why they hide under the advice that it's legal advice. But this is a false argument that they can't give legal advice. They do.

And so I've heard from other restaurant owners, by the way, one of them went out of business. He spent $125,000 trying to comply. And they kept changing planners on this individual as well. Something to do with the floor and trying to get it into compliance. And then the rules kept changing. And this is, by the way, when they talk to public officials, like the elected officials, I've seen these letters, they write the letters in a way that everything's okay. Well, we did this. And so, and the officials legally can't do anything. We have to realize there's a level of separation. There is, yeah. So they can shed light on it. But there's not a lot that they can do. Now, if you get them in court and you keep them in court, it seems like maybe there could be a light at the end of the tunnel if enough people do it. We are on the verge.

We're not there yet. But I think within a year, you will be able to have tools available to you as a pro se litigant that might be able to assist. Most likely through AI. It is. Yeah. It's, you know, representing yourself is always a danger. And you should always, you know, get an attorney if you can. But it's not an easy thing.

And I didn't do it. And the other thing, though, is that the attorney, the American Bar Association, He's completely plugged into sustainable development. They are. They're not going to do this. Land use control. Smart city. Smart growth.

All the rest of it. Carbon is a threat to the environment, you know? Right. A lot of the people you get in front of are going to disagree with you on the issues. That doesn't mean that taking it before the court doesn't help expose it. Yeah, I get that. And Luby did ask some really good questions. They really did.

Why do that? That are helped me. It'll help me on appeals. and yeah so it's you you may initially lose but you have a chance as you record and document you know I'm hoping that I can win at a higher level it might have to go to the Supreme Court I'm okay with that though all right Gino great question thanks for the story there really appreciate that before we wrap up here this is how I wanted to wrap up because you told me that you got a degree in international studies yes international studies so I was a UN guy when I was growing up

So I went on the exchange union program. I lived over in Europe, got indoctrinated, and, you know, came back home. And my brother was like, that's crazy stuff. Okay, oh, maybe it is. Well, you know, I had really smart friends, so it took like 10 minutes to unwind all of that. Yeah. Okay, well, I'm glad to know this.

But the reason I wanted to bring this up, though, is that ProPublica, there was a reporter from ProPublica that dragged me through the mud a few weeks ago. Okay. And they set out a request to me, which ended up going into spam. They didn't call the radio station or try to get a hold of me. He's like, well, you know, Meyer wouldn't respond. Yeah, they love to do that. You know how that goes.

It's a type of thing. But he was, when I looked in there, he was writing from the perspective of that I was talking about conspiracy theories of Agenda 21 and keeping people off the land. And I'm thinking to myself, boy, anybody who's a reporter who is writing from the point of view that Agenda 21 is a conspiracy theory and that this is all of. So is he unaware of Rio, Rio de Janeiro, George Bush, Sr.? Yeah, the Earth Summit. I mean, it's an actual resolution passed in the U. U.S. He signed onto it, 1992.

Yeah, yeah. And then Bill Clinton signed onto it further and actually had a commission for it. Right. So they're denying that exists. I guess. You know. Well, that is, so that is a process. I've noticed that during this appeal that they pretend like things don't exist or aren't

true. and they do it straight to your face. Well, you know, it's through email, but that is a method. And I believe it's a trained method to pretend like they don't understand. And the problem is when you run into someone who doesn't really understand it, you don't know if they're, you know, if they're, you know, if they're a true number or not. But I just knew there was no way that that was going to be able, if I'm talking, a reporter wants to talk to you, that comes from that point of view that you're just.

They've never heard of it. So they can't get on their. on their search engine look for like Medford 2040 and try to read that and understand what that is. Oh yeah, the Vision 2040. Yeah, yeah. It's documented.

So that's really strange that they would pretend like it doesn't exist. But that is a method. You know, I saw that with the dark side during the, what is that, the movement when they were trying to take the Jackson County for all. I call it the dark side.

They were pretending like they didn't understand things when you would point out issues with land use law and things like that they would pretend like, and you know they did, you know they're informed, they understand. So it's part of the process. Pretend like you don't understand. Don't answer questions. Pretend like you asked a question you didn't ask.

Got it. These are all part of the. Keep us in the loop here, Mark. Absolutely. And I wish you the best on getting accountability for planning, not just for Jackson or Josephine County, but for hopefully all of us at some point. Right. Putting a crack in this wall of separation.

And I don't know what can be done, though, because it should be. under political control, under your local elected officials? And we need to get together and figure out a way to put this under the control of elected officials. You know, type, from what I was reading, you know, type 4 reviews are, you know, that you get that process. Our charter in Jackson County is also very special. All of the.

And the home rule. Yeah, the home rule. But it's also Sections 5 and 8, it delegates all the authority to the county commissioners. And if planning isn't mentioned in the charter, they don't have legislative ability. So by creating this permit that doesn't exist, they have taken on a role that they're clearly not supposed to do under the charter. But, you know, they'll pretend like they don't understand that at planning. Interesting talk. Thank you very much.

Thank you, Bill. I know it's enough to make my eyes and head hurt a little bit. It's extremely stressful. And there's, you know, I feel for not just, you know, me, I really feel the most for the people out there who don't have a voice. And I truly believe that when she did this, when she lied about this compliance, I believe that she thought I was dumb or she thought I was very poor and couldn't defend myself. Because this is something... Surprise, surprise. Yeah, exactly.

All right. Mark Huddo, thank you very much. It is 842 at KMED. American, Richard Garage, United. RV Country in Kalameth Falls. This is News Talk 1063, KMED. And you're waking up with the Bill Myers Show. And make sure when you go to RV Country and get your RV Country.

that it has good air conditioning. As to return it on, right? It's going to be 105 this weekend from the sounds of it. So you want to make sure it be cool and comfortable, right? Let me go to Horse Lady. Hello, Ann, Horse Lady. How are you doing this morning? What's on your mind?

I'm doing fine. I feel so sorry for Mark Hutto. What a nasty, nasty mess. Yeah. And one of the things that I've seen is it creates outlaws. All those requirements by the county, don't even bother. Just build what you want to. bill then ask permission later you wonder if it's going to get to that point

Ann yes that if if already there once the system is once the system is so designed to that when that it is impossible to imply to comply and if you do try to comply well then we will still find something to to find you or or take you out of commission for this that it does lead to the rise of outlaws in California Yeah. And I got two stupid attorneys and a bad judge, and you know what I did after it was all over? It cost me about $150,000, which I didn't have. In cash, it cost me.

I wrote a real hot letter to the Bar Association in the county, and within a month, that judge was out of that courtroom. No kidding. Yeah. Oh, I was maddered in a hornet. I figured, I told my friends, I said, if I live through this, it's going to be a miracle. And I had a miracle because I'm still alive, but it was a nightmare. And I was, I was ready to kill somebody. I was so mad.

Just inadequacies. And I feel so sorry for Mark because you have to go here. Then you have to go there. Then you have to go there. Then you have to go there. And you've got to go all these loops, all these spots you. you have to jump through, and it just goes on and on, and everything costs money. I admire Mark, actually.

And, of course, he was telling me about this several months ago. I had him on a few months ago when he first started bringing up these challenges of getting the use of his property. And I have such admiration for his doggedness because I think 99.9% of people would have just given up, hey, there's no way I'm going to be able to fight City Hall or County Hall, as the case might be, on this. So it was, it was really something. He's to be admired, and he's to be admired for our county and our city and our state

because he's not doing it for himself necessarily. So he should be, he should get every accolade there is. Well, and I hope he's successful because if he is successful, then it is defending property rights for a lot of people, not just him, and that is something which has been needed, but he's standing up. So there we go. Thank you, horse lady. I appreciate the call. It's a great story.

Yeah, frustrating, but maybe out of Mark's frustration, we end up having a better future and better control on, and frankly, there should be political control, real local political control of the planning process, and that everything is being adjudicated by all the people that are coming out of planning.org, went to the same schools, have the same point of view, into the same agendas speaking the same bureaucratic ease language and it's got to change okay

all right so after all of that money that mark has spent i'm going to go over to sheree now and open for business because she's going to help you save money if you wanted to save money and then maybe you know go after planning or you know do something else where that that might be more positive i don't know sheree over at no wires now how you doing this morning sherees welcome to open Good morning. Good morning, everyone. I'm doing really great. I'm here to help you guys save some money. There you go. And what we wanted to talk about, what are the services you offer first off over at no wires? Knowwires.com, and it's a 1560 Biddle Road Sweet Bee in Medford if you wanted to go and stop by, okay? What are you doing? What are your services?

If you want to save some money on TV, internet, cell phone service, I'm the girl to come and see, come talk to. I mean, where else are you going to be able to go that you don't have to call the 1-800 number that you don't have to talk to someone in another country. I'm right here in Medford. If you have DISH, if you have DirecTV, if you have Spectrum, you could be my client. I could help you lower your bills. I could help you save money. I can get you free cell phone service for a whole year with a brand new phone for free. I have free phones. I'm getting iPhones too for free. So, I mean, I've got a good selection of phones. Now, restrictions apply, but they need to just check in. You'll explain the rules because you do have to have, is this

one that you have to have spectrum internet in order to get that? Yep, yep. Well, I just got back from Vegas, so I'm actually going to be a Verizon retailer, so you don't have to have Spectrum now. So I'm going to be able to start offering Verizon without having to have Spectrum. Oh, okay, because I ended up getting my cell phones transferred over to you, both Linda and me, and we did the Spectrum deal because we have Spectrum Internet at home, and we're paying $30 a month for both phones, just $30 and both of them, because technically one of our

One of us is free for a year. And then we'll go to 60, but still, 60 was about what I was paying for one phone prior to that. Right. It's going to be like two phones. So I'm liking it. I'm loving it, really. Right. Working out pretty well.

And then I can help you get your Internet down to $30. So for $30, a brand new customer, I can get you Internet and cell phone service for $30 a month, tax-free, unlimited talk, text, and data on the Verizon Network, which is the best in our area. AT&T is not that great here. A lot of you know that, especially if you got it at Costco's, and it doesn't even work in Costco's. I mean, come on. I mean, why would you want that? Yeah, it is kind of ironic, isn't it? I know.

All right. Let me ask you, though, about, there's a lot of people calling me and talking about the fiber, which is coming in. Now, at the radio station, we have Hunter fiber, and it works out pretty well. Now, at home, I have Spectrum, you know, Internet there. But I guess the fiber is going out to all the various neighborhoods. and there's rolling this out both? Yes. So I do offer Hunter fiber communications as well.

So if you have a spectrum and you want to try something different, I can switch you to Hunter. I can put you on the list. So it's a lot of different places are coming up with Hunter. They'll say, oh, you know, you'll have it in two or three months, you know, so it's something new. Well, there's a lot of work. I see the trucks out there. They're doing a lot of work on the streets everywhere. If you know you're getting Hunter or if you know you're getting Spectrum, call me.

Don't call the 1-800 number because I'm going to help you lower your other bills. Who's going to do that? No one. All right. Well, that's why you're here. So got all these offers going on right now. And are they still, are they still, pardon me, sending out sureies those dish visa cards? Are they still doing that or is that over now?

I haven't seen one in a long time. Okay. We are getting three months free TV service. Any of you mentioned, you heard me on the Bill Meyer in the month of August, I'm going to throw in a $100 visa card, so that's over $400 in savings right there. All right. Stop by, no wires now. Restrictions apply, you know, and Cherise will give you all the details here.

Cherise over at no wires now. No wires now.com. It's 1560 Biddle Road sweetbeats over not too far from People's Bank and your next door, a couple doors down from the cigar cave. Nowiresnow.com. Best thing to do is what, text message, a copy of the bill that you're looking to get some work on? Yeah. Call me. 541-680-5-875. Call me, text me, make an appointment with me, or just come on down to my store. I'm there from like 10 to 4 Monday through Friday. Walk in, show me

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8.56? Well, I've got to tell you, that's talk with Mark Huddo. That was the conspiracy theory of conspiracy theory Thursdays. You know, that's where you go in. Hopefully that justice will be done and will be able to crack that wall of separation between planning and the political process. So that way, because Mark is absolutely right. you can say this about all of our counties in the state of Oregon.

People are thinking that this is a county commission issue, but it is surprisingly resistant. It's kind of like, well, this is the state within the state, right? Land use planning, you know, the way this has been going here. And I can understand why so many people are frustrated. It's like you'll go to your county commissioner if you're having problems with planning, and then, gosh, they really can't do anything to them. Hmm, what a great system, right? What a great system where people are absolutely immune to accountability of the political process,

and yet we get all excited. Well, you know, I've often joked about that off and on with even when we talk about our city councils, right? We make a big deal about electing our county commissioners and our city councils, even to an extent our state representatives and senators and things like that. And then, hey, they've got the power. They've got the power. Then you find out, oh, it's the administrative. state. Oh, it's the people who are the hired help.

We put all this energy in and force into electing good people to be the ribbon cutters, right? They're the ribbon cutters, but then ultimately aren't able to slay the bureaucracies that are just keeping people pinned down because of law and statute. So it's about piercing all of this wall of invisibility, this inviability, if you want to call of that and then get into the bottom of it and maybe this court case with mark hudder will do that we'll just have to see he's going to have oral arguments a little more than a month ago all right quick email of the day we're going to give that to dan dan gives me an email we were talking a lot about the industrial complexes around here says hey bill the disabled industrial complex i lived

on the corner of lone pine in the small side street for 20 years during that time i watched the city demolish and rebuild the corner twice within a three-year period to accommodate the newest requirement for wheelchair access. In that 20-year period, I never witnessed a wheelchair use it. It has truly become a shakedown, just like one of your callers was mentioning the other day. Appreciate that. Thanks, Dan. Emails of the day, sponsored by Dr. Steve Nelson, Central Point Family Dentistry.

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