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The Bill Myers Show podcast is sponsored by Klausur drilling. They've been leading the way in southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausurrilling.com. Let me get to Dr. Stanley Goldfarb. I want to talk about something we've kicked around now and then that has to do with Woke in Medicine. And I'm a big fan of the people going in a medicine being the most qualified individuals they can possibly be not checking any particular boxes one way or the other.

And there's a group called do-no-harm medicine. Do-no-harm.org. Do-no-harm-medicin.org, I believe, is the website. I'll check that with Dr. Stanley Goldford right now. How you doing, doctor? Did I get that right? I'm doing well. Great to be with you.

That's right. Do-no-harm medicine. Dot org. All right. Tell us a little bit about what do-no-harm medicine is all about. And then we'll dig into this medical school issue, which you've raised in your latest op-ed. Right.

Well, we're an organization that has now 30,000 members, including doctors and other health care workers and patients who are interested that's devoted to getting rid of all identity politics and discriminatory practices in medicine. And another mission that we have is also to stop the so-called gender affirming care of children. We don't make any point about adults, but we think children should never go through those kinds of procedures that are dangerous to them. But the focus sort of our discussion today is the fact that we want to get rid of identity politics and health care. And exactly, as you said, we want to have merit be the driving force,

and who gets to be a doctor, who gets to teach doctors, and how medicine is practiced in this country. How long has medicine, the practice of medicine, been afflicted by a whole lot of identity politics? And something tells me it's probably for longer than we thought, but I don't want to put words in your mouth. Could you help us understand it? Yeah, some of the ideas actually go back to the end of World War II, but in America, this became an issue sort of around the turn of the century, around the year 2000. When the decision was made that, you know, we have to have more minorities in medicine, particularly black individuals. And the argument went that that would improve health care for black patients. Black patients tend to have worse health outcomes.

and it was just easy to attribute it to the fact that in more recent years that doctors were treating them in some sort of racist fashion. Was it kind of a correlation equals causation kind of approach that they were taking back then? Exactly. And when this issue has been studied, and it has been studied extensively in the medical literature, and our group has reported on these studies, there are six systematic reviews, which encompass all the 60-some-odd publications that have been done about this issue, it shows that black patients want the best doctors. The outcomes are no better if a black patient has a black doctor than if a black patient has a white doctor or vice versa.

And this idea really is simply one of deciding that diversity in and of itself is valuable and we should have it. Not diversity is fine under certain circumstances, but when it comes to health care, when you go to the doctor, you want the best person available to be caring for you. And you don't want people admitted to medical school. simply because of the way they look. And unfortunately, that's been going on for quite a while.

The Supreme Court case, students for fair admissions against Harvard and North Carolina, had the Supreme Court declare that we should get rid of all affirmative action and higher education. And our organization is firmly committed to trying to make sure that the same is true in medical schools. And medical schools have had a problem because they have had a desire to bring in minority students, again, for this false idea that that was going to improve health care somehow, and that has led to people that are more qualified not getting admission. For example, there are 55,000 applicants for 22,000 places in American medical school. So if someone gets taken in to medical school that really is less worthy than someone who's rejected, that person who's rejected,

will not get to be a physician. Has it been conflated, though, to have the highest quality or the most accomplished student going into medical school. Has that been the, it's been conflated with racism? Is that how it's been done over the last 20, 25 years here, doctor? That's right. And the fact is that there is no qualified black applicant that's been rejected for medical school, and that's fine. I think any qualified individual really can get in.

But the point is to make sure that they're the most qualified. And to set a low, a low, you know, bottom to the, to the, a low floor to the admission process is doing no one a favor. And there's a higher dropout rate for minorities who have been taken in with less good qualifications than others. And particularly the Asian students are the ones that are hurt the most. And that's been true in the undergraduate admissions as well as in medical school. Now, wasn't it the Asian students that actually sued Harvard over that, in that case, the Supreme Court case of I recall? Exactly. And they won the case. And the law now is in this country that you cannot use race as a determining factor in admission to any higher education facility. Well, then, Dr. Goldfarb, why do we still have this problem then? What has happened?

Has someone changed the rules or trying to hide it behind the scenes in the medical school system? Yeah, exactly. That they have sort of ignored it, and they've ignored it by denying that they're using race. but they're doing things like making sure that they have an applicant comes from a certain geographic region that we know has a particular racial characteristic, that sort of thing. So our organization has done some research on this, and it turns out that in a pretty small sample of medical schools, we tried to get data for many, many more, but only 23 supplied us with data. The majority of them, there was good evidence that they were admitting black students and other racial minorities over more qualified individuals.

And when I talk about qualifications, I'm talking about grades in college as well as the medical college achievement test, which is an objective test that people take to determine their suitability for medical school. And how well someone does on that exam does predict how well they're going to be due as a medical student and ultimately as a physician. There's very good evidence for that. Is there any evidence, though, that the MCAT, the actual exam itself, Dr. Goldfarb, has some racially biased question. or methodology that might give credit to, well, this is why we have to do something. No? None at all. And I must say the other argument has always been that, you know, disadvantaged people

don't get the tutoring, don't get this and that for objective exams when it comes to the SAT for college. But remember, medical school applicants have finished college. So they are supposedly well-educated. And I think those issues about preparation and all that. sort of go out the window at that point. So it's a very good predictor of who's going to be admitted to medical school. And unfortunately, we found evidence that in some schools, a black student has 10 times the chance of being admitted as a white student. We found this at University of Wisconsin. We found this at Eastern Virginia Medical School. And again, we only had a small

sample of the 180-odd medical schools in the United States. So we think this is going on much more widespread than has been supposed. And so schools are getting around. We've called it skirting scotus. We wrote a paper about this that we published, skirting the decision that the Supreme Court made, that there should be no more racial profiling when it comes to admitting people to medical school.

So I came up with a plan, which I think maybe we were alluding to, that is the way that medical school admissions ought to go. Yeah, what would you suggest here because it's certainly great to talk about an issue who's been suffering with Dr. Goldfarb, but is there a way out of this problem? Well, I think there is. I think that the way medical school admissions have gone has really gone off the rails, if you will. There's been so much of a focus on diversity. It's not only been racial diversity, it's been all kinds of diversity, whether people have had interesting other careers before they went into medicine, whether they, they've climbed mountains, whether they've got all these sorts of things, which to me is really

absurd, because when you go to the doctor, you just want someone who really knows what they're doing. That's the key thing, and what their past experiences really becomes irrelevant. You want someone who's kind and empathetic, but you also really want someone who knows what they're doing. You know, we want someone who's kind of hyper-focused on the task at hand, right, getting you better. Exactly.

I mean, those other things are wonderful traits, but really the job for a physician. as far as society is concerned is to make people better. It's to cure disease when you can't comfort people when you can't cure and give them the best possible treat. That should be the goal and not, and it shouldn't matter what they look like and it shouldn't matter what their past experiences were. It should only matter what they're like right now as a caregiver and someone who can provide you with the best possible medical therapy.

Now, Dr. Goldfarb, I was looking at your op-ed then, your piece in National Review. And so what you think should happen is a minimum, is that all medical admissions should have a minimum score in what the college entry tests and the MCAT. What is your plan, like how high should it have to be? Yes, here's the plan. First of all, we think that everybody who's that you should have at least an average score in order to qualify. In other words, you'd be in the top 50% of all those who take the exam. And remember, only one out of three students who apply to medical school gets in. So there would be plenty of people in the top half to allow filling medical school classes.

But you at least have to hit in above 50%. I think that's a reasonable way of looking at it. Okay, what then? The next plan would be every school would determine its own floor for its admissions based on the scores on the MCAT and grades. and every student would have to have letters, multiple letters, to show that they are people of high ethical standards and character. Harvard Medical School might set that floor at a very high level because they have the most talented students apply there. Very prestigious, yes.

Other schools might decide to do it somewhat lower. That would be fine. Whatever they want to do. But after they have this cohort that achieves their floor, at that point, there would be a lottery. And the lottery would determine which students are ranked in order to be admitted. So a school might admit three or four times as many students as they could accommodate. The lottery would list the students from one down to whatever the bottom number was, and they would just pick people from that ranking. So there's a pre-qualifying educational

attainment first, and then into a lottery. The lottery ends up making the final decision rather than, I guess this would also get rid of legacy, right, of legacy admissions, too. It would get rid of everything but the student's academic achievement as the basis for entering medical school, as long again as they have evidence of good character, good ethical standards. All right. Now, who would be the one to make that decision of imposing this? Just curious. Well, you know, I think as much goes on in higher education, it sort of depends on who the funders in states that have public medical schools, University of Oregon, for example, for other states that have public medical schools, the state would determine these are the rules for medical schools receiving state funding.

Oh, boy, I'll tell you, in state of Oregon, they love the DEI world, though. That would be a high-lived care. But, you know, there are a lot of states in the union, and there's also the federal government, which, as we've seen, has had tremendous sway over education because of the fact that so many schools are dependent on federal funding, either through their grant programs or through other federal programs. So there could be, you know, sort of the leverage that could be used through funding to sort of push this. And I also think it's the sort of thing that, you know, that people ought to start to ask for. They ought to talk to their representatives and push for this because right now there really is a game being played in medical school admissions, including, as you point out, legacies. There are an awful lot of, an awful lot of that going on where more qualified students are not having this opportunity because of these kinds of programs that medical school admissions committees have. Dr. Goldfarb, I wanted to just float a theory to you, and I'm wondering if there is a hope,

and like I said, I don't know this for sure, but I listen to want to flow a theory to you. Is there a possibility that the rise of artificial intelligence being merged into medicine is being championed by the medical world in order to cover for the failures of unqualified medical people being rushed through the medical system? Any thoughts on that? Yeah, I think this whole issue of dilution of the rigor of medical training has been driven in large part by this whole issue. So, for example, in medical school now, the number of people who pass medical school and graduate is over 98%. In most professional schools, the number is far lower than that, because many people enter the professional school.

like law school or nursing school or veterinary school, and find out that they're just not up to it, either because of their personal abilities, their intellect, or, you know, their willingness to work hard in a field. Not in medical school. In medical school, everybody gets through. Wow. You know, of all the professional schools,

I would have thought that medical would have been the toughest to get through. Exactly. But it isn't. And the reason it isn't is because of this push to have. diversity. And in fact, the accrediting agencies have pushed for this for many, many years. If schools have too many students who don't do well and leave, that becomes a mark against them when accreditation time comes. So they're supposed to have all sorts of coaching programs, and most schools have this where they spend enormous amounts of money and faculty time on

coaching students, making sure they pass exams. They're given the information on what's going to be on the exam. They take the exam. If they fail the exam, they take it again, they fail it, they take it again. Occasionally someone actually just can't do the work, but it is quite a rare event in medical education for students to flunk out of medical school. I had no idea. Is there any way that we as a patient, you know, we go in and we have a medical doctor, physician, surgeon, or whatever, is there a way that we can tell if someone was kind of

pushed through this system because of checking boxes rather than being the most qualified? I don't know. I thought at least ask you. Not really. And, you know, what's really unfortunate is that minority physicians who were really talented, brilliant, very effective, successful, they become, they become demean because of this, the current activity, because patients then go into the room and see, you know, a face of someone of color and say, oh, this must be a DEI. Yeah, this person got through because of not, because they weren't, okay. Yeah, that hurts them. That's how it harms the minority physicians who really deserve, you know, to be physicians

and deserve to have all the credit that they may have accrued to themselves. So that's another problem with affirmative action and these kinds of approaches in general. But no, there's no real simple way. It used to be that one could look for whether their physician was in one of the medical honor societies. And there are a couple of them. And the problem is they've even diluted that. It used to be that medical honors societies were based on grades.

Now they're based on overall citizenship, this sort of thing. So even best and the brightest don't get that. But nonetheless, I think if someone's in a medical honor society, Alpha, maybe Alpha is the medical society, the most prominent one in medicine, that's a sign of a student who's in the top 15% of their class. That's the requirement to get into that. It used to be they cut back on that and said, you know, You don't have to be in the top 15 percent, but you have to be an outstanding citizen.

Well, I don't, you know, when I go to my doctor, I really don't care whether they're outstanding citizens. I want them to know what they're doing. Yeah. Give me the best. Exactly. You know, if I'm going in for brain surgery, I want to make sure that they know how to do brain surgery in the best of all, of all worlds, that kind of thing. Interesting. Hey, really common sense that you're talking about here.

I'm going to post that link to the National Review deal. And is there a, do-no-harm Medicine.org is the main website. Is there any other place where you're writing on so people can catch up on this? Because it makes perfect sense what you're proposing here. Well, our organization writes a lot. We've been in the Wall Street Journal. We've been in a whole number of publications. And our website is really just chock full of interesting information,

a lot of research that we've done. We're very data-driven organization. So that's not ideology. We're pushing its data and science. And anybody, and we'd love to have people join us as members. there's no cost of membership and it will allow us to continue to supply people with information about these issues. I appreciate that.

And final, final question, since you can't really look at someone's qualifications on the wall and understand that they didn't get through because of the DEI push over the last 20, 25 years, what if you were dealing with a very old doctor? And I know someone who has been maybe practicing 35, 40 years, did they maybe get through, without that that kind of philosophy running the medical schools? Could that be a way of looking at it? Yeah, you know, people have said that. You know, it's complex.

I mean, it's also important that you be trained in a rigorous fashion and know the latest kinds of approaches. So it sort of depends. I think a good thing to do is when it's to sort of ask the primary care doctor that you have about who they think is the best physician in the community for a particular medical problem if you need a referral. and go with that because the best doctors have the reputation of being the most effective ones.

That's good. I'll keep that in mind if it ever comes up here, all right? Dr. Stanley Goldfarb once again, and he is the chairman of Do No Harm Medicine.org. Dr. Great Talk. I'll have you back on. Be well. Thank you so much. Bye-bye.

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I am the vice chair of the party, and normally we have one fundraiser year. we're adding a new fundraiser this year, and that is a poker tournament. Yeah, this is something different. I don't recall having heard about a poker tournament being done now. And let me just give the date to this right now. And it's September 27, so it's going to be three weeks from this Saturday. And it's going on over at Triple Tree Restaurant and Lounge, Highway 234, Central Point. Pretty easy to get to.

Everybody knows where Triple Tree is. And what's it all about? Tell us about it, Commissioner. So this is a fundraiser benefiting two great organizations, not only the Jackson County Republican Party, as we look to actually get a office again and grow, hopefully great support for great candidates and elected officials. And then also Joy Community, who's putting together that being put together by set free ministries that Chad McComis is doing. Oh, yeah, it's the tiny houses for the elderly folks out on, and it's on Biddle Road in Medford. Yeah, I'm planning ahead for all of us out there, right? Yeah, I suppose.

But, you know, it was a good deal, so the percentage of that going for it. So I don't know if, let's see, I've played blackjack. I don't think I've ever played a poker, really. And, of course, I'm not a big game person, but I'll bet you are, right? Well, I played in one tournament. Oh, you have? It wasn't good. But it is a lot of fun.

And Triple Trees doing our food out there, and if people don't play, they can pay the $60, come have dinner and just fellowship with us out there. Okay. But it'll be, if you're good at playing cards or you want to join in the fun of playing the tournament, the seats are limited because of the space. But once they're filled, they're filled, but we still have lots of seats. We have opportunities for sponsors who are helping us with this tournament. We've got some great sponsors, if I can give them a plug. Okay, go ahead. You can abuse my show for a little bit here.

Thank you very much. So we have Travis Snyder from Snyder Creek Development and Steve Self-Repair and Grant Rider Concrete is as partnered up with us. He's our food sponsor with a huge sponsorship. and the Melissa Malasca from Futurity First and Investment Advisor. Sure. We have Bill Powell from Red Robin, and we have our own Steve Yancey from Sky Park Insurance. Cool.

We have a few more sponsorships available. If there's organizations that want to join us, you can go to the website. There's a QR code. You can do everything online, or you can call the office number that's on our website. And what's the website again, Colleen? It's J-C-O-R-G-O-P. Okay, J-C-O-R-G-O-P. Now, so here it is.

How much does it cost to enter, you know, to actually be in the Texas? So it's $120, and the 20 of that goes directly to the dealers, but the players for 120 get 20,000 chips to start out. And then there's always buy-ins. If you run out, there's a $50 buy-in that you can get another $15,000 chips. Now, 15,000, now, see, this is, this is my ignorance about playing poker, all right? So 15,000 chips or 15,000, like, dollars in value or something like that. Is that what you mean when you say 15,000 chips?

No, it's, I don't think, because it's a fundraiser, it's a value of money. It's just chips, and you play for so many, you play for, say, the buying at that hand is five chips. got it okay but but it's not like they're going to bring over 15,000 chips and dump them that would seem to be a lot of chips to sit next to you on the table I think there'll be different values got it all right yeah this is this is worth a thousand chips this is worth a hundred chips okay got it okay all right that see that that makes sense I'm just thinking you know 15 20 thousand chips I mean man okay well once again I'm not the the gambling type there really so 120 bucks get you all that group okay there's a group called gamble for good

They run the tournament. Fortunately, you're not relying on me. They know what they're doing. And he's good at it. All right. You know, it'll be run efficiently, and it'll be a lot of fun. Now, this is going to sell out. I have no doubt.

So if you are into this, go to j-c-o-r.g-O-P and get your seat reserved for this Texas Hold'em 2025 GOP poker tournament. It's going to be three weeks from Saturday, starts at five, probably runs to around 10 or so. A lot of fun. and this will be like $120 if you want to play, $60 for dinner and hanging out, right? That kind of thing is seeing all the fun. That would be great.

Okay, so. If people are not interested in the online stuff, you can call our office number, which I can give you it's 541-770-527. All right, very good. I'll get all that up on KMET.com, too, but that'll be a lot of fun, Colleen. I hope you have a great time on there.

I'm excited. Hopefully it's our first annual. Okay, and let's see if we can do this and earn some money and get. So now up until now what there was the old clubhouse downtown, are you still using it at the moment? You're looking to get at some other place? What's the story from the party? No, the Republican Party gave that up a few years ago, and we didn't have an office. And we have an office that we had hoped to start moving in this week.

We haven't actually end up with the contract yet, but I can get more information once we get that signed and secure and ready. We're really excited about moving into it. It's going to be a great, large place for our meetings, for candidates, for signs, for people to pick up signs, and more to come on that. All right. I want to ask you, now we'll put all that information up. Now I'm going to ask you about something a little bit political over the weekend. I was noticing that Jackson County Roads and director ended up testifying in favor of the, well, of the big gas tax increases and everything else, the ODOT bailout bill, right?

And can you tell me it is, where did that come from? Is that actually Jackson County? Because a lot of municipalities are going up there and testifying in favor of this. And of course, none of the people want it. What happened? Well, I hated Steve Lombrook thrown under the bus because he was testifying in support. He came to the board and got that support. It was our board stand to support that bill with some amendments, which they pushed for.

And I think got, they felt it made a bad bill better. In my opinion, I did not vote for that. I think you have a bad bill. You have a bad bill. No matter what you do with it. So this was, so you didn't vote for it. So it was 2-1, 2-1 voted. Yes.

Okay. It is our board's stand, and he was standing with the support of the county commissioners here to do its testifying. Okay. Well, I didn't mean to throw Lambert under the bus. I was just told that Steve Lambert had testified and going, well, what? Really? Where did that come from? I know.

I understand Emily McIntyre called and said, the board supporting this, and I did return her call and said, the board did support it but it was not my vote and I said feel free to vote no I think she did all right it's a lot it's sad for Oregonians in my opinion yeah I was just wondering what the story was I appreciate the clarification and if the other two commissioners want to come on and and explain why they were going to want to give for what everybody else didn't want except for ODOT employees and SEIE's then just let me know I'll bring you on the show anytime okay yeah I will

what a shame you know they they threatened like southern oregon rural people we're not going to plow your roads we're going to you know well yeah essentially it was like essentially it was essentially commissioner it was a ransom it was a ransom it was just kind of like you know you either do this or we shoot the snowplow engines in the head you know that kind of thing um from the city of portland right yeah exactly they understand snow plowing yeah yeah it is bad it uh the whole way it's old and i just think everything in Salem this year was pretty, pretty sad. It'd be not a fun place to work, that's for sure. I'll give you that, for sure.

All right. Commissioner, we appreciate it's coming on, and, of course, a vice chair of the Jackson County Republicans, Texas Holum, GOP poker tournament three weeks from Saturday. It's going to be a great time. Go out there and raise some money for everyone, okay? Yes, thanks. I register early.

I don't think you'll be able to show up that day and expect to get in. So hopefully people will plan ahead and get registered to play in. enjoy the evening with it. All right. Thanks, Colleen. I appreciate the call, all right. Be well. Thanks for the opportunity.

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Let me go to Jack. Hello, Jack. How are you? Doing good. Bill are you? Great to be back, is what I say, Jack, okay? And it is today, Jack, is September, well, actually, yesterday.

September 1, 1777. Sam Mason, Patriot Captain in command of Fort Henry on the Ohio Front. Frontier survives an attack on the fort by Native American allies of the British. He was the son of a distinguished Virginia family. Sam Mason became a militia officer assigned to the Western Frontier Post of Fort Henry in present-day West Virginia. In the summer of 1777, with the colonies fighting a war for independence, Mason feared attacks by the indigenous allies of the British.

So August 31st, 1777, ban of natives from several tribes attacks the fort that Native Americans finally. fired only on several men who were outside the fort, rounding up. Hearing the shots, Mason gathered 14 men rode to their rescue exactly what the warriors hoped they would do. They ambushed the party, killing everyone, but Mason.

He escaped death by hiding behind a log, so there we go. The bottom line, though, is Sam was known prior to that as being this hero. What was he well known for later in life after this Revolutionary War? Was he A, the first governor of West Virginia?

Was he B, the first to captain a Mississippi Riverboat? Was he C? He hunted down all the Indians that killed his men. D, he became the largest liquor dealer in America, or E, he turned into a notorious outlaw. What do you say here? Jack, it's one of those five. I think he was a bootleger.

You think it was a bootlegger? There's a lot of money in it back in those days. Not this time. I would have chosen that. let me go to let's see do I want to go I guess I'm going to go to this one hi good morning who's this Dan right yeah this is Dan all right Dan so we know he wasn't a bootlegger what did Sam Mason become first governor of West Virginia first to captain a Mississippi Riverboat he hunted down all the Indians became an Indian killer or was he E turned into a notorious outlaw

what do you say I would say B first the captain the riverboat. No, it's not. Let me go to the next one. No riverboat here. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Hello? Tom. Tom? Yeah, Tom. Okay. Turn down the radio, please. Yeah, boy, it gets really confusing, you know? Oh, yeah. Okay. Sam Mason, what happened after it? First governor of West Virginia. First to, he hunted down all the Indians or he turned into an outlaw. What do you say? First governor. No, it's not that either. Take one more.

This is going to be a 50-50. Hi, who's this? Okay. Let me try this one. All right. I don't know what's going on here. We still have two left. It's notorious outlaw.

Or you hunted down all the Indians. Hi, good morning. Who's this? No, you got to hold on. All right. I'll give it. I'll give you one more chance. Hi, good morning. Who's this? You have to answer. You have to listen to the phone. Do not listen to the radio. Gosh, you forget how to work, talk radio. Ten days I'm gone. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Rich. Rich. Did he hunt down the Indians? Or did he turn into an outlaw? What do you say?

He hunted down the Indians. He hunted down the Indians. No, he didn't do that either. All right. So whoever's here is going to win. morning, who's this? Who's this? 800,000 idiots! Okay, you have to answer the phone on the phone when I pick you up. Hi, who's this? Good morning. This is Dan.

Dan, you want to give another try? Outlaw or outlaw? Sure. Outlaw. Miraculously, it comes to an end. Yeah, he turned into an outlaw. He fell on hard times, became a thief. Young American Frontier, he was out there, a pirate on the Mississippi River, praying on boatmen.

That's what he did for a living. Yikes. Finally, we got to the... Well, we just need to do more practice at Diner 62, and we'll do some more of this. Maybe next time, okay? Remember, when you are calling the show, though, and you're doing the game, listen to your phone, not the radio. You're about 20 seconds behind on the radio. Thank you very much.

com. Hi, I'm Amber Rose. with Siscue Pump Service, and I'm on K&D. Brad, you're going to wrap it up this morning. What say you on commenting on, I guess, the session, in the money and more? What do you think? Brother Bill, welcome back. So good to have you back.

Yeah, so here we are talking about something that we wouldn't be talking about in the state of Oregon. Why? Because they don't have enough money. Why doesn't the state of Oregon have enough money? because the leadership of the state of Oregon has set themselves against the policies of the current administration. Otherwise, they'd have all kinds of money. You know, I'm glad you brought that up, and that's something which has been left unsaid up to this point. So much of the money which has vanished, and this includes transit money, various other things,

are involved with sanctuary state policy, isn't it? What they're admitting to right now is there about a billion dollars short. I think it's a lot more than that. I think they're actually probably close to $12 billion short on a two-year budget, maybe even $14 billion. But here's what we know. What we know is that at 2 o'clock in the morning, January 20th, these Doge guys were finding out where all of this money was going from USAID and all of these other government programs, there has been a gigantic financial shift in the availability of money for people on the left. And the left is having to plunder us more to make this happen.

All right, we'll talk more about that tomorrow, Brad. Thanks. Southern Oregon's place to talk. KMED and KMED, H.D1 Eagle Point, Medford, a bi-coastal media station. It's 9 o'clock at KMED. Breaking News this hour from Town Hall on John Scott. Trump says it is imperative that the Supreme Court reverse a federal court ruling that declared his tariffs illegal.

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