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Episode Date: September 5, 2025

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Nice kind of humidity feel like it wants to rain again, and it's still going to be a hot one, though. to $199 or so, but that's okay. You have your air conditioner, or do you? My first question for Conspiracy Theory Thursday is, would you turn control over to Pacific Power of your air conditioning and or heating system? It's like my house.

It is combined, HVAC. It's a heat pump one way or the other. Heat, kind of, in the winter. It's an old heat pump. Cools really well in the summer. winter, not so well. Heat pump in my household means put on more clothes. That's what it is in my house.

But we stay nice and cool in the summertime. No problem there. You know, the reason I bring this up is that Pacific Power and you knew this was coming. You knew this was coming. We were talking about this a number of years ago when the smart meters were being rolled out. Ultimately, the smart meters are done for the same reason why the state of Oregon wants you to have chips on your car so that they can, ding you or control things for time of use. It's not enough just to charge you for the power in Pacific Power's case, as an example. It's not enough to just charge gas tax on your vehicle

as you drive into a city. And, you know, the whole idea is that there has to be some kind of social engineering. And Pacific Power is finally going down the road here and hoping that everybody will sign up for this particular program. I got an email from them yesterday. Maybe you got an email too. Matt got the friend of mine in Grants Pass. He sent this to me. He said, you get this?

Yeah, I did get it, Matt. I got the email too. I think everybody that has an email set up with Pacific Power got this. But here it is. And it starts off here. We have the, you know, the elderly fellow playing his guitar. And there's the granddaughter who is, you know, singing karaoke or something like that. And so already we're being primed.

by the PR Departments of Pacific Power to, oh, this is going to be in order to help grandpa and grandma and the granddaughters. It's for the kids. And it says, be cool for a smarter energy grid. What do they want to do here? Okay. This is the story.

And this is, of course, crafted by Pacific Powers PR department. And they have a very good PR department. As summer weather transitions to fall, your air conditioner can still make a difference. Pacific Power is introducing a new program to optimize energy use in our community. The new Cool Keeper Program. The Cool Keeper Program. I love that name. I wonder in the C-Suite, who came up with that term.

You know, let's just call it the coolkeeper. Because everybody likes the term cool. Yeah, that's really cool. Yeah. Cool program, right? The Cool Keeper program helps manage the flow of power in response to big shifts in energy use, allowing us to better manage the grid while ensuring homes stay cool all summer long. Be among the first to join Cool Keeper in Oregon, and you'll receive $30 in bill credits every summer. $30. Wow. $30. That's like, I don't know. about three, four days worth of power use for a lot of people. So you give Pacific Power control of your air conditioner.

How does it work? Well, I'm glad you asked. I'm glad you asked me Pacific Power, or we asked Pacific Power, I guess. This is what we're all supposed to be thinking. A small, cool-keeper device is connected to your outdoor air conditioner unit. When activated, it briefly cycles off the AC compresses. Well, the fan keeps running so your home stays comfortable. These activation events are so quick, seven minutes on average, you probably won't notice.

But those few minutes make a big difference on the grid. What are the benefits? In addition to the $30 in bill credits you will receive every summer, participation in Cool Keeper. Oh, boy, there's that cool. It's just cool name, right? Poolkeeper helps us use energy more effectively and keeps costs down. Well, what is using energy more effectively? How can we use more energy more effectively?

Now, they didn't say efficiently. They just said effectively. Now, to me, being a customer, and I don't know if you feel this way too, being a customer of Pacific Power, using energy more effectively means that Pacific Power provides the energy and it's always there when I need it. That's how I look at the energy being more effectively available and used. Now apparently Pacific Power says that the best way to provide power

is to give it to you when they want to give it to you rather than when you would like them to give it to you. In other words, specific power is kind of like turning into a solar plant. The solar plant that will generate power when the sun's shining, and then the cloud comes over the solar plant, and then the output drops by half or whatever, right? You know, that kind of thing. But, of course, this is all due to that kind of program

that has been going on in Oregon for a long time. The decarbonization, the decarbonization. Notice how there's no talk about building out the capacity of the grid. Have you noticed that? Everything in Pacific Power's communication is not about increasing capacity of the grid. It doesn't appear to be about building more base load power. You know what base load power is? Base load power is something like a hydroelectric dam that is always spinning up on the Columbia River.

because the river is always spinning and it has a good solid power or it was like what used to be at the gold at the boardman coal power plant for PG&E which was shut down of course because carbon, right? You know, the same sort of thing. We decarbonize that. And so every time they blow up a dam like they did on the Klamath and that actually had some power plants on it. I forget the actual power capacity of that.

it wasn't a huge amount of electricity generated on the Klamath River, but it wasn't nothing, right? And they were able to use that. I remember the folks in the power world were telling me that they were using the electric power at the dams in the Klamath as peaker plants. They didn't necessarily use it all the time, but when demand got heavy, those hydroelectric plants on the Klamath would actually provide. a good amount of juice to keep lights on everywhere, keep it on the grid. Well, that's gone. What's it been replaced with? Intermittent, solar, and wind.

That's what they do. So I would imagine there is a little bit. This is a symptom, them, of the fact that we have decarbonized the grid. We're not really building out capacity. And what capacity we are building out is intermittent. Sometimes it's there and sometimes it's not. You can't really call that baseload power. But nonetheless, this is how Pacific Power wishes to, well, balance the resiliency or the lack of resiliency on the electrical grid

by turning your heat pump or your air conditioning on and off as they see fit. Now, I do love it that they say that when the Cool Keeper device, this is the device that will be connected to your smart meter. You have a smart meter, and then it will send out a little signal to the coolkeeper. And the coolkeeper device is just a remote control relay or whatever it is, and it'll turn it off. And it'll turn off the compressor to your air conditioner or your heat pump. And it says, though, that the fan keeps going so your home stays comfortable. Problem is, though, is that with the compressor off, all you're doing is circulating the air in the house. It's not making it any cooler.

So coolkeeper, I don't know. Maybe you'll have a cool keeper, maybe if you turn your backup generator on at home, then you can actually turn the air compressor back on or the air conditioner compressor back on. That's how they'll end up keeping you comfortable. And I love it. They say these activation events are so quick, seven minutes on average, you probably won't notice. Now, that seven minutes on average is what they're saying. In other words, there's enough peak and there's enough sagging on the lines at some point

that, gosh, you know, we're just going to have to start cycling people's, turning people's air conditioners off or turning off their heat pumps and all these kind of things. But on average, seven minutes. Now, on average seven minutes, which means that not on average, you could be a lot more. Maybe it's a half hour. Maybe it's an hour if things are really serious when you have 105, 110 degrees. Interesting that the solution to our power problems with Pacific power is not to build out more capacity, not to build out more base load, solid generating capacity

out in the state of Oregon. It's to make you deal with shortages. That's effectively what their cool keeper program is all about. Yeah, we're going to shut off your air conditioner compressor for a little bit of the time, and you'll still remain a couple. And we'll be able to use energy more effectively. No, you're just distributing your shortage.

You're just distributing the shortage to people that are willing to do it for $30, $30 in bill credits a year. My question for you is, would you turn over your heat pump or your air conditioner's control to Pacific Power for a $30 bill credit once a year? 770563. Maybe we talk about that off and on. It is conspiracy theory Thursday. Hope you are well. Hope your air conditioner is still working under your control, at least for the moment. Need a roof that performs Anlasts.

Great story coming out in the email box this morning, how Pacific Power wants to have their, well, you know, their Be Cool program here. For a smarter energy grid, it's the coolkeeper device. They want to install the little gizmo on your air conditioner or heat pump to turn the compressor off when they need to in order to preserve the grid. In other words, to stop a blackout is really what they're saying. That's the unsaid part about this. And a question for you is for 30 bucks a year in electrical credits, is it worth it to you to turn control over to your air conditioner of your air conditioner and heat pump to Pacific Power's whims?

Tom's in talent. Tom, appreciate having you on. What do you thinking here on Conspiracy Theory Thursday? Well, that's a great conspiracy by Pacific Power. It's all based upon the climate hoax. and people got to start seeing through this whole thing. Because, yeah, this is a result of the decarbonization, Tom. It is. Absolutely, no doubt. Yeah, so it's a whole thing. And there's a great article on Lou Rockwell today, a second article on that site,

and it's a climate CO2 hoax, and it's how the bankers took over the environmental movement. And I think it's something that people need to realize that this whole climate hoax. thing is basically about control and not just Pacific power, Pacific power kind of downstream from the banksters at the top that are trying to set up this complete control technocracy over our lives that we live the lives of the Chinese, you know, social credit score and everything. It's a totally controlled society. Could you see a day coming, Tom, in which

your social credit score, like what afflicts the poor Chinese people, ends up coming. to us in even how you use your energy in which they'll come out there and say, you know, I know you pay your taxes and you follow the laws and such, but you do use an awful lot of electrical power for your house, Tom or Bill or someone else, and, you know, and we're thinking this needs to count against you. Could you see it actually expanding to something like that at some point? Hey, I think that's the end goal. And then the question I have is how in the world can we get through the to the minds of the Alan Jernays of the world and our glorious senator here, Jeff Golden, and Pam Marsh and so forth, how can we get, be able to somehow get through

their mind hypnosis and see that they're being used as useful idiots, if you will. Yeah. I don't know about this. This is something that I have pondered for years. I know you have too and you'll talk with people every now and then because individuals like you described in the power structure they are true believers they are true believers in this that uh that somehow with uh us destroying our lives will somehow save the planet you know that kind of thing and to to become poor and uh and to pay a lot more to live is somehow going to save the planet They don't really have proof about this. I don't know.

Maybe they don't really think about that until it impacts them. I don't know. Could it be something as simple as that is that they don't actually have to live the principles yet, but they are being brought in bit by bit. That's sort of a boiling frog kind of syndrome maybe. I'm just spitballing with you, Tom. Yeah, I know. I agree.

I think about it quite a bit. I mean, you know, this whole thing about climate. It's a scientific question. Is CO2 causing a climate crisis? It's a scientific question, and I've looked at it from upside down and inside out and so forth. And I think the whole thing really truly is a conspiracy hoax to set up this total control grid over our lives. Well, you would have to think that that must be part of the conspiracy because every solution to this so-called CO2, the carbon crisis,

involves making people poorer and or living less well. Every single solution that comes up, and that is always the solution. And so, I mean, so much for this thought that, you know, we're always progressing to a better future. Oh, yeah, just look at the streets of Medford, all this, you know, road diet and so forth. I mean, this is all part of it. And you were talking about yesterday about license plates and so forth. And again, that's part of that control grid that they're setting up. They want to be able to, as you say, make sure that when you come into town at a certain point,

you're going to have to pay a little extra more during the rush hour and so forth. It's just like it's absolutely just overwhelming to see what they're trying to set up this control technocracy. But that's where we're headed. Yeah, and sheep, and when I say the sheep, I'm talking about we, the sheep, I jokingly, you know, refer to it at that some point. You know, part of it is having to look up from social media and look up from the programming being thrown your way and understand what's really at risk.

And I just don't think most people grasp it yet. Or they even, maybe there's just too busy with other concerns living their daily life that they don't really give it. All they see is that, oh, the bill went up, all the air conditioner just got shut off by Pacific Power, you know, that kind of thing. and you just kind of get used, you get used to the uncomfortableness, I guess. Maybe that's all it is. You do it a bit by bit by bit.

It's like they don't do it all at once, as you can tell. Well, it's the frogs in the boiling water. Yeah, I guess so. But yeah, getting through, maybe when Pam Marsh is no longer able to enjoy a good life, maybe something comes out there differently, not until then, all right? Hey, Tom, I appreciate the call. I always appreciate your thoughtfulness here. I assume that means you're not going to be, you know, inviting Pacific Power to control your air conditioner.

Is that what you're going to do? Yeah, absolutely. You know, the terrible thing about this is that they're building all this up. And then I really do believe that, you know, between the COVID hoax and the climate hoax and so forth, that it's costing people's lives at this point in time. And it's going to just keep getting worse and worse and worse. I don't know. But yet at the same time, there are a lot of people waking up.

So I'm hoping for the latter rather than the former, okay? Tom, I got a roll. But I appreciate your call so much. Very thoughtful on Conspiracy Theory Thursday. All right. So that was deep, thoughtful conversation with Tom. Coming up, I'm just doing a little bit of celebrity cheese. So it's a little bit of a pallet cleanser.

I'm going to have a longtime TV announcer Randy West on. We're going to talk about all the dirt behind the scenes. He wrote a book about it. It's a lot of fun. And then we'll go back to the serious stuff. We'll lurch back and forth. What do you say? Are you feeling lucky?

Well, head to the Texas Holden Poker Tournament. Saturday, September 27th, Triple Tree Restaurant in Sam's Valley. $1202 gets you dinner and $20,000. News Talk 1063, KMED. This is the Bill Myers Show. let's just face it i mean i'm on radio and i love radio and uh i've been doing it for 45 years but television is a big part of our job too a big part of our life here and i read a book the other day started reading it by uh randy west and randy west is a long time tv announcer it's done the

price is right dealer no deal supermarket sweep and he wrote a book and i enjoyed the book so much i uh even though i had a review pdf copy of it i immediately went and bought a copy of it and for my own, because it was just so much fun. And I wanted to talk with Randy West a little bit about that. Randy, how you doing this morning? Great to have you on the show. Great to be with you, Bill. Thanks.

It's a great morning out here in Hollywood. I'd rather be up in Oregon. I'd rather be up in Oregon where real people live. Well, you know, you're kind of playing a tape, I think, from 1970, too, Randy. But that's all right. We'll let you deal with your fantasy. We're not all that different from Hollywood, honestly, when you get to. to Portland. Have you heard about Portland lately?

How disturbing. Okay. Randy, you added up, but you've been the TV. You've been the booth guy, right? You've been like the Johnny Olson. In fact, you wrote a book about Johnny Olson a few years ago, right? You know, the longtime. Johnny was the guy who started me in the business.

I used to watch, you know, TV shows, the game shows out of 30 Rock in New York. And he put me in his warm-up act and encouraged me and gave me his old scripts. and that somehow the bug bit me. And the crazy symmetry is we remained in contact for a lot of years. He passed in 85, and I think, well, that's the end of everything. Then the family finds letters that he and I wrote to each other and says, he's passed away. We're cleaning out the house.

Would you like all of his possessions? You know, the personal stuff that he kept. I was like, oh, my God, yes. And then the craziest thing of all happens, 2003, you get a phone call for the prices right. Hey, Rod Rod Roddy Hill. would you come down and fill in. Yeah.

So there I am standing where Johnny did. Crazy. Man, I'll say, and it's a small world, too, in the Hollywood world, right? So you have to be careful the way you deal with people because on the way up, because maybe on the way down, you have to, you know, try to get a gig with them again. You ever deal with that kind of thing in Hollywood? It's a merry-go-round. It's here.

Oh, you again, you know, and thankfully I didn't say anything negative. You know, it's just got to, Johnny said, keep your head down. it blows over, just be friendly and happy with everybody. He was that kind of a person, naturally. I'm not. So I'm working all the time to put a smile on my face and say happy things. But I wouldn't trade any of it for the

world, but what I did get to see working all these TV shows for decades now is the craziness that goes on behind the scenes, and that's what motivated this book. You know, TV Inside Out, flukes, flakes, feuds, felonies. And it's just amazing

stuff. And it's just one And listen, Randy, it's one story after another, after another story. Every time as I'm going through this book, TV Inside Out, like you just mentioned here, like I said, I liked it so much, the review a PDF I got. I went out, bought a copy of it immediately because it is new. I was going to want to finish it and hang on to it. And it was, that's high praise. And it's like every time, it's almost like you are saying in the entire book,

hold my beer as you go to the next celebrity story. Wouldn't that be a fair way of characterizing it? I love that. That's a great analogy. That's fantastic. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, if you work in these studios, you work in a talk show and here's this guest or that

guest, someone you always wanted to meet, whatever, you sit at lunch. It's very relaxed. Or you're just working with crew members who have stories from working with. I've been stage manager Doug Quick on the prices, right? I used to work the Dean Martin TV show at NBC. I mean, yeah, everyone's got a story or two, and if you can vet them and make sure they're real, so you don't end up being sued. You start writing, and it fills a book very quickly.

You know, all sorts of crazy stuff, the feud between Jerry Lewis and Joan Rivers, Rodney Dangerfield, lay in a coma, and I guess Louis Anderson comes to see him every day, spends two hours holding his hand, not even knowing if he's being heard at all at all. So some of the stories are touching, some of them are scary, some of them are real felonies in the making, you know. with a $2 million blackmail demand against David Letterman. There's another great story. And there was another great story in there about David Letterman in which that caused the feud with Oprah that you had earlier in there. And it all started with what him scamming a free meal out of Oprah.

Did I get that right? Is that how that works? That's it. He's in a restaurant. And there's Oprah in New York in the same restaurant. And they waved at each other. It was kind of a cool relationship because she had turned down doing the show. and then she said she didn't like when she did do the show, whatever.

So he just decides, tells the waiter, well, Oprah's picking this up. And, you know, an meal to Oprah's, you know, making a million dollars a minute. Yeah. So it's not so much the money, but how dare he do that? And, of course, he's just being David Letterman, who's just, you know, wacky and funny and strange, you know, but she takes it to heart, and there goes the feud. It fires up again.

You're right. Yeah, and it's just, it's an incredible book. It is a lot of fun, and there's all sorts of stories. that I didn't know, like, and I thought I knew a lot about Johnny Carson, and I thought I knew a lot until I started reading some of the stories that you were bringing in here. And, and of course, Mr. Las Vegas, Wayne Newton, and he had this insane, insane rivalry. It was like a bloodthirsty kind of battle royale going on back in the days. What to control the Aladdin Hotel in Vegas?

That's it. The Aladdin was for sale. They both wanted a piece of it. You know, they wanted to buy it, and they got into a feud about it. Johnny was on air, alluding to Wayne not being a total man, if you will, you know, questioning, challenging his man to it. Wayne took his private plane, flew into Burbank, got a cab, and drove to NBC, unannounced, walked in on Johnny Carson, who was sitting there with the producer, producer who got up and walked the hell out very quickly. I heard Johnny tell the story, and I heard Wayne tell the story, and they equal, they match, which is Wayne, gets in his face, points his finger at his nose, and says, I don't know what food I took out of your kid's mouth, but you start talking about me one more time, and I'm from Vegas where a lot of people know a lot of people who know a lot of ways to just return the

favor. So get out of my face and get out of my life. Yeah. And that only brought the feud even hotter to where they both wanted the Aladdin Hotel. Wayne got it. Johnny said I backed out, but in reality, Wayne had some momentum behind him with the guys in Vegas, if you will. Uh-huh. And, uh, yeah, there you go.

And, uh, they went to their grave. Johnny died first. And Wayne was like, you know, I, I have to tell you the story and started telling everybody what I write in the book, although I got a greater detail because I knew Wayne that had worked for him when he had a hit record. All right. Now, I have to. I have to ask you of all the celebrities, like I said, we're just scratching the

surfers. They're just hundreds of pages on this one. But it's a TV inside out. And I'll get all the information up. What celebrity most support? prized you in your meeting of them in which you they were they had one image and your impression of them was completely different could you give me one of those randy yeah you know i'm going to give it to you with a positive spin and that would be j leno i jay has his 200 plus

automobiles in burbank i live in burbank we run into each other all the time at that the restaurant is a hot dog place on olive avenue he loves to go to and he's always driving a different car and then when i worked at nbc doing weakest link and 21 he was doing the tonight show at the same time. So I'd see him in the hallway, and down the hallway at NBC, they roll a bar to make the guests a little happier. And he said, Jay said, anytime you see the bar, just get anything you want. So I'm like, okay, so here's the part that's surprising about him. He's the most friendly down-to-earth guy you ever met in your life. And you just sit and talk with him. He's just so generous and kind. But he's got stories, too. When they asked him, where do you want your

star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame? He said, in front of the McDonald's by Highland Avenue. Why? Because when Jay Leno first came to town, he was arrested in front of the McDonald's for vagrancy. Oh, man. He was an unknown at the time, a comic trying to make a life in show business, arrested for vagrancy on that spot. I mean, it was time to get the gold star in the concrete needs that I wanted there. Great story. So friendly. Great story. I got to tell you, Randy, you got a million of them. It's TV inside out. I'll get all the information it up there, a must read, and a lot of fun. Great history. Thanks for being on the show.

You'd be well. Thank you. Thank you so much, Bill. Have a great day. 20 before 7. Running a little bit late, we'll get the rest of the news, and then, you know, back to your calls. It is Conspiracy Theory Thursday on the Bill Meyer show. Bill Meyer here, and the reports keep coming in from listeners who have saved. Welcome to the Bill Meyer Show on 1063, KMED. Give Bill a call at 541-770-5633. That's 770 KMED. We started off the show this morning after a celebrity break there with Randy West, which, by the way, I have to tell you that TV Inside Out is, I read so many serious books and so much nonfiction, so much, you know, politics and public policy, things like that.

It was such a wonderful break. It was like my book reading Twinkie over the last few days. And, you know, you need some of that sort of stuff along with the other serious and. all the life-threatening things that were going on. But anyway, I'd highly recommend that if you're looking for a little bit of fun along with all the serious stuff out there, too. It is Conspiracy Theory Thursday. Earlier we were talking about a brand new program

that Pacific Power is rolling out now, and it's called the Cool Keeper Program. And this is about, you know, for a smarter energy grid. The question I'm posing this morning is, are you willing to turn over control of your cooling and heating to Pacific Power? in order to get a $30 bill credit each year. This is a symptom, once again, of having closed down base load power, power which is on all the time, and you replace it with wind and solar.

Now, there's nothing wrong inherently with wind and solar. It provides power. It has a role in our energy grid, but it's not there when we need it. It's only there when Mother Nature chooses or Danes to provide it. Cloud comes and the solar output drops from the farm by half, et cetera. It's hot. A lot of times you don't have wind when it's really hot. You just don't.

And then the windmills don't go, but yet demand for power is very high. So this is how Pacific Power is managing the decline, not by building base load power, but by we're going to balance it. That's okay. Warren Buffett will still get paid. Don't worry. Warren Buffett will continue to get paid and be paid handsomely through the ownership of all of this. But the coolkeeper would shut your air conditioner or you're here on and off when need be to keep the lights on. Is it worth it to you? Good plan or not. David's in the Bay Area. David, maybe you have something like that already with PG&E in your town. What do you say? Oh, yeah. As a matter of fact, they've been doing that for 20 years. There were a lot of protests about it down in.

Santa Cruz and whatnot, but did you say that it's a $30 a year rebate, or is it $30 a month? It says $30 in bill credits every summer is what it says.

Well, I can, my wife is nuts about turning up the heat in the winter, and I can remember an $800 a month bill, and that was 30 years ago. Oh, my gosh. That is like heart attack-inducing, David.

Oh, I know. Yeah. And needless to say, we couldn't afford it. And it was killing us. But the idea that solar panels, for example, are relatively cheap. If you can buy a pallet load of them, I haven't looked at the price recently. They are, and you are right, they are getting cheaper. There has been a big sale or, They are coming down in costs. You're absolutely right. Yeah, and it used to be, I haven't looked at the price in the last month or something, but it used to be about five grand, and you could get between 18 and 25 solar panels on a pallet load.

And most houses need about 10 of them. So if a person were to put 15 or 20 of them on their house, they would be able to sell it back to the grid. and the power companies hate that. They like having the central location, whether it's coal fire, gas fire, whatever. They don't want every house in town chipping in and adding to the grid. Are you sure about that because it seems that during peak they're happy to buy it from you. I could be wrong about that, but, you know?

Well, but they're buying it from you at like seven cents. and they're going to bill you at, what, 11 cents? Yeah, I don't think they're doing that anymore. I think the latest tariff is they're only giving, I think there were some people that were selling solar power. I'd have to look more into this for what it's like with Pacific Power, David. But it is, you know, right now we're in a situation where wholesale cost of power is about seven and a half cents. And I think they bill us right now 15, 15 to 16 cents.

kilowatt hour on the end, on the end side. Yeah, I'm down here in the Bay Area, so I'm not sure what you're paying per kilowatt hour. But the point is, is that we could have an economy that's based upon the electricity on your roof. And the idea that one of the first things that Trump did was to cut all of those programs, all of them. And he wants us to go back to coal and nuclear. Now, can remember, and I work on alternative energy issues down here in the Bay Area, and when you start looking at a nuclear power plant, the radiation makes the concrete weaker, makes it brittle, and the idea that the original power plants that were put in like 50 years ago were said to become so dangerously brittle that a power plant might only last 20 years.

Well, I don't think that's been happening that way. The type of designs they're talking about now, you know who's really pushing the nuclear power, David? Nuclear industry. Well, not besides that, though, it's the tech pros. The tech pros, the Silicon Valley types. Yeah, they're the ones that want it because, you know, they want their nuclear for their AI data centers. So people like you and I live with intermittent power and the power going up and down, while the data centers end up getting a good steady base load of whatever power is most steady,

kind of what they're looking for. And that's actually one of the big scams of this. I got started working on the alternative energy issues when Enron was going on, and that's 27 years ago. And one of the big scams was that the big companies could buy electricity in bulk, and they could guarantee, you know, 10,000 kilowatts a month or something like that. And the average citizen had to buy it individually. And so...

Yeah, we have no buying, well, we have no buying advantage, no leverage in the situation right now. Well, what was worse than that was the people that were poor on the low-income programs, they had to buy at an auction rate when things got bad. And if you remember the numbers from Enron, this is just before the turn of the century, the average price of a kilowatt was between 8 and 11 cents a kilowatt hour. Yeah, and that was at the end user, not the wholesale cost. Yeah. Right, right.

Yeah, and the wholesalers were getting at about four cents or some, actually below cost even. And the idea that the end user, if there got to be a crisis, you would have to pay an auction. rate at, you know, the more you turned up your thermostat or the more you played your radio or, you know, different. Oh, yeah, yeah, all time of, if you actually used power when people need it, then you're going to pay through the nose, essentially. And that's the plan for Oregon, too. You're already been dealing with it.

See, you're about 10, 15 years ahead of the pillaging for, you know, compared to us here, I guess, David. As much as $1,700 a kilowatt hour. as opposed to $0.0.0.0. Don't you think, though, isn't that indicative, though, of the need for more baseload power, steady power that is there all the time and not just when Mother Nature provides it? What do you think? Right. What I'm saying was that the power companies started, they intentionally would shut down a plant, so there would be less electricity, and then they started charging $1,700 a kilowatt-hour.

It sounds like power companies doing a little bit of leveraging, huh? So much for working in the public interest, huh? And they didn't get prosecuted, and Enron became a famous scandal in America. Yeah, well, that was more of a financial scandal, I think, more than that. But point well taken. Do you have a problem, though, if we actually were to work on more baseload power, David? Would that be okay with you? I don't have a problem.

I like the idea of spreading the – after 9-11, And most of the power plants in America became a security concern. And Homeland Security has to protect the power company. But if you start spreading it around so that there's solar power on every roof, the terrorists can't win. All right. Hey, I appreciate it. David, thoughtful conversation. We don't always agree on a lot of things, but I'm glad to have the give and take, okay?

You'd be well. There's a conspiracy. All right. There's David's conspiracy. We have Dave here. Hello, Dave, on the Bill Meyer Show, Conspiracy Theory Thursday. Hi. Yeah, I was going to say, since Trump has cut off all the money to, you know, all these grants,

you know, that the Democrats only have $14 million in their congressional fund for the elections. I think that's enough to buy coffee, isn't it? Well, you know, money doesn't always win your elections, but it is the mother's milk of politics. money's not everything, but it's not nothing, right? That kind of thing. Right. But anyways, you know, they have like $84 million in the Republican money. So, you know, the Democrats, the reason why they're streaming is because a lot of that money

from grants was being funneled back to them, and now it's not. There is something to be said for the reduction in grant stream funding. Appreciate the call there, Dave. Good hearing from you. 7705-633. Little open phone time, conspiracy theory Thursday. We will have more after eight, especially. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Welcome.

Yeah, Ron Graspass Pass. Hello, Ron, what's on your mind today? Well, I got an elephant in the room here that's been bugging me. What's that? And maybe even, you know, a conspiracy, but probably not. But here's the problem. The Oregon State Legislature and Governor have signed and passed a bunch of laws and violation of the Second Amendment not to infringe against people's right to keep and bear arms.

I suggest that the Trump administration, Pam Bondi, get a lawsuit going against all of the laws that Oregon has passed that infringe on everybody's right to keep and bear arms and to prove that it's constitutional what they've done. I don't know if they have the, if Pam Bondi has the power or the constitutional authority to sue the state of Oregon just because, There is something which appears to be contrary to the Second Amendment, which is practically almost every gun control bill in the state of Oregon. Honestly, Ron, I mean, I'll concede your point on something like that. The challenge that we face is that the way our system is set up is that you challenge a law on its constitutional basis in the state of Oregon, and then you have to go through the appeals court process in the state Supreme Court,

and then it goes to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, and then maybe goes up to the Supreme Court if they choose. to take it. I'm suggesting that the Pam Bondi and Bunch forced the state to prove that whatever laws they've passed are constitutional and do not violate the Second Amendment. I just don't know that she has that authority. That's all I'm saying. It's one thing if Pam could say, hey, you're violating a federal statute. Yeah, but the Second Amendment is a national federal rule or right. that the people have. It applies to everybody, not just the people in the state of Oregon, but then also everybody.

Yeah, the Supreme Court order, like the Bruin decision, which, of course, it didn't make it clear that this is an individual right. It's not self-enforcing, is it? Well, true, but the problem is we need to make them prove the negative. That is, if they think that the laws that they've passed are constitutional, tell us where it's constitutional and not in violation of the Second Amendment's freedom to keep from being infringed. All right. Okay. Like I said, I like the idea. I just don't think there's authority to do such a thing. That's all I'm getting at here. It's like it'd be nice. It's like, hey, you know, while we're fantasizing, you know, that kind of thing. That's all I'm getting at here, Ron. I may be absolutely off base on this. Maybe there is authority for the, you know, the Attorney General of the United States to go after it just because we think.

think that they're you know that this law is unconstitutional on its basis but or on its face you could be right it'd be right i don't have the answer for that but i like the thinking anyway it's a 657 at kmany 993 kbxg at montana rufeing it's one of the most wonderful times