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of your heating and air conditioning and you get a $30 summer bill credit. Yay! Dan writes me this morning, Hey, Bill, what they're not telling you is how cycling your compressor off and on constantly will shorten its life. $30 a year

won't help much when you have to replace the unit. Okay? I don't know. Maybe this isn't cahoots with the air conditioning manufacturers there. Dan, maybe that's what they're, you know, hey, we can sell you some more. We'll turn that compressor on and off so much that will blow the unit up.

You could be right. Scott Seaford writes from Jacksonville. Says, Bill, I never opted into the smart meter program. I also have 48 solar panels on my roof and 60 kilowatt hours of battery backup and a 12-kilwatt propane generator because I saw this coming years ago. Absolutely.

Hey, Scott, nothing wrong with that. But I'm just glad that you had the money to be able to invest in something like that. And your typical schmo, maybe more at, well, just more, to be preyed upon by this particular system. But you're right, you're going to be in pretty good shape from the sounds of it.

If things really go south, everybody is going to have a dinner at Scott's house in Jacksonville because he'll have power. Just having fun. You know that, Scott. Randy writes in in Ashland, Bill, I learned a brand new term. Gender fraud. In law, fraud

is intentional deception to deprive a victim of a legal right. Males pretending to be females are committing fraud by depriving genetic females of their legal rights. Females should never have to compete against males in sports or give up their rights to privacy in locker rooms and

restrooms. The Democrats rather, transgender agenda amounts to committing organized fraud against females labeling someone transgender is intentional deception. It is genetically impossible to change one's gender. And finally, Elaine writes in this morning

and it has to do with how Oregon, Washington, and California have got together and formed a health alliance. Essentially, they're saying, we don't trust the CDC because they're not following the Fauci science any longer. And so we're going to tell you what to do with vaccines, which means take them all.

You know that's what this means. I'll talk more about that with Dr. Jane Orient MD about a half hour from now. She's going to guess, and we're going to kick that part around. But Elaine writes, Bill, as bad as all the socialist-Marxist policies in the three west coast states are i've never been afraid but we know where the alliance will go vaccines will be mandatory and known covid cures will once again be illegal we should all be concerned about their determination to destroy us point will take in elaine the email bill

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Two people backing into the same parking spot. What? Hydroplaining is a bit like out-of-control water skiing. But here's Bill Meyer. It is Conspiracy Theory Thursday. Join the conversation, like the man said, 7705-633. We're streamed all over in southern Oregon on KMED.com. Also heard on 1063.

106-HD1, 1067 in South Jackson County. 105-9 Rogue River, Grants Pass, 993, KBXG, in Grants Pass in Greater Joe Zafine County during the morning show. Yeah, I just appreciate you listening wherever you happen to be. Also on Facebook live, Facebook.com slash Bill Meyer's show, and you can watch in there. We were talking about the power grid and the big cool, what is it, the cool plan coming out of Pacific Power. And what they want to do is for $30 in bill credits every summer, you end up getting, well, you give up control of your air conditioner or your HVAC. And the little device, the coolkeeper device, will shut down the air conditioning compressor when it needs the power.

In other words, just when you need your cooling the most ends up going away or cycling it around. And this is about trying to take care of essentially the shortages on the grid. That's really what we're talking about. We had lots of power before, lots of baseload power, and now there's less of that. Yes, there is more population. And we've also decided that we're going to put cars and trucks onto the – electrical grid too. What could go wrong with such a plan? A question for you, though, is that would you give up control of your heating and cooling to Pacific power? Do you think that is a good

plan? Why? Why not? And maybe you have it all the way of looking at it. Ranger, good to have you on. You have a thought about the power situation? What say you? I'd like to volunteer the power of the heating and cooling of all the city halls, all the police stations, all the libraries, and if all the governmental buildings of the various towns, it's into now, if I like to volunteer, the heating cooling of Walmart and hospitals and any large building. Especially with a lot of taxpayer money flowing through it? I think it would work. You know something?

Ranger, I just might have to give you a real American salute on something like that, because yeah yeah you're getting a real american salute because you think about this every time that there is some way of balancing the energy scale so to speak here in the state of work and it's always about what are the little regular schmose going to do what are they going to do to contribute so what will our power structure be willing to do in order to make this happen that's kind of where you're going in other words you guys you guys come up with these rules and policies and these laws, these decarbonizing kind of deals, and you bring in the you bring in the people from Socan in to talk to your city council and you give them space

in the newspaper columns and talk about carbon, carbon, carbon. So you should be the first ones that volunteer and step up to do your part to save the planet and keep the power on, right? I'm thinking of the well-being of the general public and all these public employees. I'm sure they would like to volunteer to help us out. Yeah, maybe we can do the same thing and have a smart meter on the air conditioning compressors for public works vehicles. I love it. Now, the public works people aren't the problem. I'm just kidding.

You can take it to its ultimate conclusion. losing, though, couldn't you? Absolutely. Yeah, put the smart meter on everything. Ranger, thanks for the call. That makes me laugh. Please laugh. You like that.

Wouldn't that be a great date in which, you know, you have Governor Kotech as an example. You see her at a press conference and they got the hot lights on her and everything else, and she's sweating like a pig, you know, all that kind of thing. And then she says, would someone turn down the thermostat? I'm very sorry. It's being cycled on and off by Pacific Power, and there is a power shortage right now. I'm very sorry, but I'm the governor. Yeah, so. It's your fault. You came up with all the decarbonizing along with your predecessor.

Governor Brown, people before that, too. Just saying, it'd be kind of fun. In our fantasy, in our conspiracy theory Thursday fantasy world. Good morning. Hi, who's this? Welcome, the Bill Myers Show. Yes, Jim. Hi, Jane. It's on your mind today in Wilderville, huh? Well, what I think is you get on the right to control your power on your air conditioning heat. You're also giving them the power to control all the electrical appliances in your home. Well, this particular one is affecting just your air conditioning or HVAC unit, you know, to cut the compressor on and off. It's not about the whole thing.

I mean, technically, with the smart meter technology, they could just shut the whole thing off and just shut your power off in general if you were not being cooperative, I suppose, ultimately. Yeah, but I get the best one to shut off the power is wherever Kotech is, dictator Kotech, and her little dictator friends, let them go without the air-conditionate and the heat

instead of the general public that it's being punished anyway. So Mahonia Hall, Governor Kotex Mansion, anything like that, put it on her vehicle, put it in the state legislature, the air conditioning gets cycled on and off, and it's just not permitted. No, you're not allowed to go to your solar cells up there at taxpayer expense. You have to live your principles, your principles, you're thinking we shouldn't have to live with good air conditioning. And so see how you like it. That's the way you're looking at this then. I think that they should actually have to live their principles and what they have done to the people.

Maybe Governor Kotech should be forced to take a city transit bus to work. Well, as far as that goes, what kind of vehicle does the dictator Kotech run around in anyway? That it's not electric. I don't know. I don't know what is the official state vehicle where if there's just something that is pulled out of the motor pool. I couldn't answer that one. It's an interesting question, though, Gene. 7705-633.

Appreciate your call. It is Conspiracy Theory Thursday. Let me go to the next one. Hi, good morning. Hello. Good morning. Is this Bill? It sure is.

Who's his? Hi, Bill. This is Scott from EP. Hello, Scott. And I'm a professional driver, and you know that. I know a few people, you know, and we go out, we do things. And when we're out, we just turn off the power. We just, you know, flip the breakers, you know,

That's the way to save costs for you because, you know, the power companies have to make money. I mean, you know, it's a business, so they're not saving any of that. Well, the power company gets a guaranteed rate of return on its investments in one way or the other. So head-specific power wins and tails the power customer loses is usually the way that is set up. But that is the – that's done in exchange for the state having tight regulatory authority over what it does. That's what happens. Yeah, I think, you know, the way to go is if you have a backup source with hybrids with burning methane, I mean, you know, there's a lot of methane being burned up in Salem, so why not burn it in your car? I think that, you know, I'm just envisioning the anal probe on the old methane producers up there, okay?

I got a roll. Why not? It comes from the dubs. You might as well use it. Okay. Duff it in the ocean, right? Dump in somebody's fuel tank, right? All right.

I appreciate that. Thanks for the call. Makes me laugh. Thank you. Thank you, I appreciate you. Glad you're here. You know, if you can't laugh at the absurdity of it all, you'd cry, that sort of thing. Kind of along that same line, I was reading this article.

It was on Yahoo! Yahoo News. And it just popped up. And it talked about, and I think this is something else that, Alan Jernay, I don't know, maybe Alan Jernay and the climate change folks over at Socan would be big on this or not.

Ryan Hansen writes on Yahoo, why dishwashers are quietly disappearing from American homes. Have you heard about this? I have not. Let's explore this together, shall we? When efficiency

becomes inconvenience, racing through dinner clean up after a long day your dishwasher sits empty while you scrub plates by hand joining millions of Americans quietly abandoning an appliance once considered essential despite smarter features and energy improvements dishwashers are losing their grip on daily routines across the country this is the survey they're finding out here now my dishwasher is 10 15 years old very nice Very nice kitchen aid works really great in my house. But I have no problem. We use it all the time. Linda's a great cook. We make a lot of meals at home. That dishwasher is always humming in our place.

But this is the story. When efficiency becomes inconvenience, federal efficiency standards, Ryan Hanson writes here, transformed dishwashers into marathon cleaners. Modern dishwashers take two and a half, to four hours per cycle? Are you serious? Is he telling the truth about that?

Does anybody have a new dishwasher that takes four hours to wash a load of dishes? I don't know if I can believe this. Two and a half to four hours per cycle. This is a far cry from the quick turnarounds families actually need. The Department of Energy's push for water concertations. Reservation limits, new models, to five gallons per cycle. Five gallons of water for the entire cycle of wash, rinse, wash, rinse, repeat, you know, that kind of thing.

Five gallons, that's the standard right now in the federal government. And there's a proposal to drop that to 3.2 gallons. That's barely, you know, one flush of the toilet by 2027. What they're saying here is that you get cleaner dishes eventually, but eventually doesn't work when kids need their lunch containers ready for tomorrow morning. And what's happening here, Ryan Hansen writing on Yahoo, new construction prioritizes compact urban living over suburban convenience. Developers squeeze kitchens into spaces where full-sized dishwashers become luxury items rather than standard features.

Meanwhile, your door-dash habit, well, that's stupid, door-dash-hack. habit, but anyway, it means fewer dishes hit the sink anyway. When dinner arrives in disposable containers, that $600 to $1,200 machine starts looking like expensive counter space you'll never reclaim. Okay, well, so in other words, we're talking about urban numnuts that, you know, are sitting there spending, you know, those are the ones that are, what, putting their door dash on Klarna, you know, hey, here's your pizza, you know, four payments of $9.99 each for your pizza. you know, being delivered.

But anyway, on TikTok apparently, handwashing is now on the upswing. About 20% of dishwasher owners now use their machine less than once a week. This is according to industry statistics here. Social media transforming handwashing from a mundane task to meditative practice, complete with aesthetic soap dispensers and satisfying scrub videos. Do you know how dirty your typical dish is? when it's hand-washed as contrasted with the nice sanitizing of the modern dishwasher. Modern dishwashers are actually up to the point where I guess they're going to have to only use about three gallons of water by 2027.

By the way, that's not three gallons for the fill. That's three gallons for the entire fill, rinse, fill, rinse, repeat, you know, kind of thing. So I just want to find out, though, is Ryan Hansen telling the truth about the new dishwashers? is it really that sad that it takes two and a half minimum two and a half hours to as much as four hours to wash dishes in a brand new dishwasher? Is it that bad now? Is he serious about this? It sounds like what he's trying to do is make up for the urban lazy that don't want to cook any longer.

But I could be wrong about that, you know, putting DoorDash on Clarna once again. 770563. I'd love to hear from you. This is true because the dishwasher that I have right now, Nice, quiet kitchen aid, no problem. Came with the house. I replaced parts in it every now and then. I replaced the...

Gosh, what did I replace the other? I've replaced a shutoff valve that started leaking. That's all I had to do with it. And I've replaced rack parts and things like that. But that's about it. But is it true? Have they completely... Had they completely taken the testicles off of dishwashers

so that it takes four hours to do the job? mine takes about 75 to 90 minutes depending on the cycle you do a heavy duty cycle it's about 80 minutes right now but what uh ryan's claiming is it it's a lot higher a lot longer now i don't tell tell me what's going on here let me go to the phones hi it's conspiracy theory Thursday morning who's this hey bill it's wild seven Steve good to hear from you how you been contrary to the rumors i'm still here I'm glad you're still here. Was someone saying, like, Trump, like you were dead for something over the weekend? Well, no, I spent a week in the hospital here about a month ago.

Oh, you okay now? I'm sorry, I didn't hear. I did not hear that. Yeah, it seemed like it's okay. Good. Dishwasher, three hours. I've got an LG, and it takes three hours. Well, you can put it on different cycles.

You can put it on a hurry-up thing, and it'll do it in about 45 minutes. but if you leave it on a normal, you know, automatic cycle, it takes three hours. Did you hear about it in the story? I'm talking about that. The new energy or water standard is 3.2 gallons for the entire cycle. That is insane. Yeah, it is. Well, this all comes back to the federal government in the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission.

The good news is that under the Trump administration, they have began to back off of a lot of stuff, and they have recognized that we have a grid problem. And so they're working at it from the federal government end, but all this stuff has run downhill. Like, you know, plumbers know how to fix things. Yes, right. But it all has come downhill. And the state of Oregon, under former Governor Kitzover, sold a whole bunch of energy credits to windmill operators. And I think solar people also. So they actually get more for power than the baseload generators. And when there's power available from the windmills, they have to shut off the power from the dams in the Columbia River. You're kidding me. So we're spilling water. No. So this is a subsidy for the energy scammers.

Okay. Absolutely. All the way back in like 1999, 2000, They had put these subsidies up for windmills, and a bunch of those mills were built along the Columbia River, and there was a windstorm that was producing, like, I don't know, a third of the power of Oregon, and the way that the grid managers were regulated, they had to take the cheapest power. Well, because Kitzhobber's buddies, and remember his girlfriend was making these interviews. These deals, yeah, these scam deals, sure. They changed the thing so that now whenever the solar and wind plants are making electricity, they have to shut off the power from the dams.

Even though it's more expensive. Wow, boy, what a scam. But that shows you, though, once again, who's in charge here and why that needs to change. Thanks, Steve. Let me grab a few more calls here before the news break. Hi, good morning. Who's this? Welcome.

Hello. Hi, this is Chris in Medford. Hello, Chris. Dishwasher? How long does it take for you? Two hours and 15 minutes, and that's if you don't accidentally hit the long cycle, and that can go for three and a half hours. How old is your dishwasher? Under five years. Yeah, because mine is, like I said, about a 12, 15-year-old dishwasher, from what I can tell. and it works great, very quiet, and it's about a 90-minute deal.

That's for the long cycle. That's including the dry, you know, the heating up and drying the dishes at the end. Right. Wow, that's a lot of time, isn't it? It is. I mean, it's just me and my dad, so I don't, so I'm not worrying about kids' lunch containers and stuff like that. But I tell you, I really miss you run a lot of dishes, dishes. you know, once it's done with the dry cycle, you pop the door open, so the steam comes out,

and, you know, an hour later, you're putting away your dishes. That's gone now. All right, so this is true, what he's talking about, the time spent. Thank you, Chris, for letting me know. I'll grab another call on this one, because I just couldn't believe it, given what my dishwasher does. It's an oldie, it's an oldie, goodie, I guess. Hi, who's this? Good morning.

Hi, Billy. Hey, Cherry, how you doing? I'm great. How's life around the corner from me on Leonard? Oh, my God. It is, I'm getting a new roof right now. Oh, good for you. Anybody fall through it yet?

Well, it's not brand new. It's just new in pieces because it's, you know, they put this application on, and it's supposed to be like 20. Oh, is that the goo that you spray on it to revitalize it? I've heard about that. Yeah. Yes. Good. It's qualified.

life. I don't, you know, I moved here a couple of years ago, so I don't know what has been done or not on this place. But I have a Bosch dishwasher. I don't know how old it is, but it has three-hour, six-hour, and nine-hour cycle. You've got to be kidding me. Oh, my God. And I put it on, I put it on auto, which is like an hour. Yeah, you know, God bless America. This is what we, uh, that we have now. At this point, now, that could be a timer to turn them on after nine hours. Maybe that's it because of all the time-based use on the power world. But how do you like all of these new and improved, you know, coming out of the Energy Trust of Oregon kind of world, huh?

This dishwasher makes everything look new. Well, that's good. I'm glad to at least hear that. Boy, I'll grab one more call. Great hearing from you, Cherry. Hi, good morning. You get the final word on this. Who's this? Bill. Yes.

It's Monica. Hello, Monica. Hi. I have an older dishwasher, so I've known. But my daughter has gotten a newer dishwasher, and I couldn't believe what she told me. They said it at night when they go to bed. Oh, yeah? It takes almost all night with this dishwasher to do the dishes. All night?

It's just her and her husband, my son-in-law, but they do a lot of cooking, both of them. them. And they use it all the time. And they said it every night before they go to bed. I said, I don't, couldn't you get a better dishwasher than that? And she says, that's all they had, mom. Yeah, that is, that is the better dishwasher several hours. I guess, so this guy in Yahoo News was right about it. He's telling the truth. I had no idea. I can't believe there hasn't been. When you were saying that, I'm going, well, somebody else has a discharger like that. I can't believe that there hasn't been an out-and-out revolt against this from the proletariat, you know, over something like this all right i know she says the only one that they could get okay well thanks for

letting me know so we know that this is absolutely true it's not fake news and uh fake news okay all right thanks monica hey 735 this is the bill mire's show you for voting my team and i the best insurance agent and agency i'm charlene owner of american industrial door and i'm on 106.7 kmED you know when i have a medical question about that policy things that are going on I always enjoy calling up Dr. Jane Orient M.D. She's the executive director of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons. It's AAPS Online.org. The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons is actually a Medical Freedom Group here

that is looking for patient care being number one. The doctor-patient relationship. Isn't that right, Dr. Orient? Welcome back. That's what we're for since 1943. All right. Now, I notice here on the screen that RFK-K-R-F. Jr. is being grilled right now by the senators. I don't have time to go to this. And Senator Ron

Wyden, our sorry, Senator, is there. I'm sure he's yelling at him about the CDC and how he's not following the science anymore. And I wanted to get your take on this. And then I want to go on to your latest piece that you released here, too. And I got the breaking news from New York Times and the Oregonian. And they said, snubbing Kennedy, states announced plans to coordinate on vaccines. California, Oregon, and Washington announcing plans to form a health alliance that would coordinate vaccine recommendations for the three states. And what does that mean in your medical opinion? Just observing this with politics into, in the medical world here. What does that mean? Is that like a shot across the CDC or RFK juniors make America

healthy again, Val? How do you see this? Well, I think that you're right. Here, they're complaining about the CDC, not following science. Well, CDC's not been following science. It's been following the money for a long time. And they're complaining about lack of qualifications there. Well, here we have three governors who are politicians, who have no medical expertise whatsoever, and they are deciding for their people, really, for the sake of their donors,

what they're supposed to do. The real news comes from Florida, where a real physician, a very well-trained and qualified physician, Joseph Lodapo, has announced that Florida is going to do away with all vaccine mandates. Because he's saying the government does not have the right to dictate what you put in your own body or your child's body and that you need to look into the science and follow what you believe to be the BAT. now that is really the news I'm kind of curious here Dr. Orient are we looking at the regulatory capture of the federal government by the pharmaceutical industry

especially when it comes to vaccine policy and it has because arguably it's been this way for a long long time ever since liability was removed for vaccines and given over to a created federal government vaccine court is this kind of

of structure, is this just a symptom of it tottering, teetering and tottering right now and getting ready to collapse, or is the empire fighting back through people like Governor Kotech in Oregon and Governor Gavin Newsom in California with these latest announcements? Well, the Empire is trying to fight back. That much is clear. Interesting, all the former heads of the CDC who wrote this letter complaining about RFK Jr., not all of them have been a qualifications, but all of them do have conflicts of interest, revolving door. They gain all kinds of benefits from the pharmaceutical industry that they're supposed to be regulating. Could you give me an example of what a benefit would be for someone working at the CDC that

they would get from a pharmaceutical industry going for a drug approval? If they lose their position or they resign from their position in the CDC, they can get a very lucrative position with a pharmaceutical industry. And those who are working at the CDC, they now are already getting royalties from products that they're supposed to be regulating. The CDC is no longer just government supported by your taxpayer, but the people who work there have the right to collect from private sources, private profit-making sources. That kind of shocks me, Dr. Orient.

It would seem to me if you are a government employee, anything that you are making, anything you are researching or that you end up creating while you are a government employee, that shouldn't be yours. I remember my father invented something when he was working for copper's chemicals back in the day. Copper's chemicals owned it. That's right. The government, the taxpayers should own the patents

and the royalties, it should not be a source of profit making for the government officials who are supposed to be signing off on these products. So there's undue influence on both sides, not only for getting royalties and fees like you just talked about as a CDC employee there in certain positions, but also what, sweetheart deals that if you get fired from the CDC, you go to work for Pfizer? it that blatant? That kind of thing? It is that blatant. And all the medical organizations and the medical journals, they are getting a huge amount of their income from pharmaceutical companies. And they would stand to lose tremendous money if they were to take a stand against

their donors. Okay. I know I'm asking you a political question at this point then, but from your observation, do you think R.F.K. Jr. is in danger of being forced out. You know, the kind of like a capture of the entire system, in spite of the fact that Americans were looking for a change in the way our government deals with the pharmaceutical industry. How is your take on this? Well, the guns are trained on him. You know, and there's like Senator Cassidy, and the Senate would really like to get rid of him. And so many of our congressmen are beholden to donations from the pharmaceutical industry that they have an vested interest in getting rid of RFK.

In spite of the fact that it's not actually helping keep Americans healthier, but it helps the re-election be healthy, I guess. Is that what we're looking at? Yes, that's what it's about. I mean, the congressman don't care about your health. That's a hell of a note there, Dr. Orient. Dr. Jane Orient, MD, once again, executive director of the Association of American Physicians and surgeons. Has AAPS online done anything to try to bolster what's going on with Make America

Healthy? Have you had any, you know, kind of like friends of the CDC kind of communications with them? Try to get to... Well, we've had a few communications from a few people in the government who are on the side of freedom and independent medical practice. But I don't know they have them beating our doors down. Hmm, interesting. With the state of Florida being the first state to get rid of vaccine mandates, and I guess this would imagine, I would imagine this would also impact school students. So school students would no longer be required. It's not that you couldn't get vaccines.

It's that you would not be required to. Right. They wouldn't be depriving you of an education. For one or more vaccines, the risk is from the benefit. Yeah, doctor, I'm losing your phone. Your phone's cutting in and out a little bit there. Could you repeat that again, right from the beginning of that? Yes.

Anyone would be able to get the vaccines. If a parent decided that one or more vaccines had greater risk than benefit to their child, their child will not be deprived of an education because of that decision. I think that's going to spread? Yes. why is it that there has been such a rise or a lack of trust in this in the vaccine schedule in the vaccine in the vaccine system and i know we've talked about this off and on but maybe just a refresher what do you think is driven on this i think covid-19 had a lot to do with it

that this mandate you know that your job or the jab it caused a lot of people forced to get this vaccine and it's turned out there's so much evidence it just keeps rising that the vaccine is very unsafe. You know, we just had, the chicken gunnyu vaccine has just been withdrawn because of three deaths. Only three. And we don't know how many deaths have resulted from the COVID vaccine, because if you get the shot and you die soon thereafter, well, it can't prove that the shot did it. Lots of people have heart attacks.

Lots of people drop dead suddenly. Lots of people have strokes. How do you know it was the vaccine? And there doesn't seem to be a lot of interest to get to the bottom of that. Exactly. All right. Interesting times that we find ourselves in at this point. Where do you think this will end up politically as a matter?

Do you think he's going to be able to survive this as in the RFK Jr? Because you're right. I don't think I've ever seen a Trump appointee that probably has more guns trained on him. Maybe Secretary of Agriculture trying to change. Well, of course, he's trying to change the food too. So, right, he's getting it from vaccines and from agriculture, isn't it? You know, big food. Well, I think so.

And personally, I don't agree with everything he's doing because I think that there's a concern about pesticides and all these chemicals that are in our food, these things may have some dangers. But they are really minor compared with the dangers of the vaccines that everybody's being forced to get. and they do have benefits of maintaining our food supply, keeping the prices affordable, and so on. Yeah, and not everyone's going to be able to shop at Whole Foods and get the RFK Jr. approved food supply necessarily, right? No, they can't afford it. And, you know, the ultra-process foods, whatever they are, are not going to cause you to drop dead after you eat a bag of potato chips or have some colorful breakfast cereal. Maybe there is a long-term minimal risk, but it's not the same as that you might drop dead after getting a medical intervention. All right.

You're worried more about the medical intervention, and that, of course, is your wheelhouse as executive director at aAPSonline.org. I think we need to keep our priority straight. All right, very good. Hey, I appreciate the take on this, Dr. Oriette. I wanted to talk about your latest piece. You popped me an email the other day and it had to do about health. health care costs. And I, man, I got to tell you, this is renewal time for health insurance here, at least with my employer, my old employer, ended up sending out an email, and we got purchased

by a different company. And the different company is just fine. The old company was just talking about massive increase in costs, and I don't think this is unusual for small businesses. And you ended up breaking down medical costs and what's been happening with medical care and insurance costs, and what are we discovering ever since Obamacare was imposed a number of years ago? Well, premiums go up, up, up. The medical care is increasingly unaffordable, but the fact of the matter is you can hardly get health insurance anymore.

It's not like casualty insurance where you pay a premium based on risk, and the insurance company will reimburse you if you have an event. Instead, you're supposed to be paying in advance for everybody's medical care, everything that's necessary. Right. Then you're also paying for this huge administrative overhead for the insurance company deciding what is necessary and what isn't and figuring out ways to deny your claims. It would be so much cheaper if you bought most medical care and paid for it yourself.

I used to have insurance. It had a $10,000 deductible. It cost a couple hundred dollars a year. but, you know, about 20 years ago began increasingly impossible to find something like that. So are you saying that the medical insurance programs like that don't even exist now? Well, the Affordable Care Act made a lot of them actually illegal, and once they went away, a lot of them aren't coming back. And so what we have now is not insurance.

It's prepayment for consumption. You ended up putting a graph. having car insurance to pay for your oil changes. Exactly. You put an graph in here, which is the average annual worker. I'm going to post this on KMED.com today. It's really fascinating. It's the average annual worker and employer contributions to premiums.

Because a lot of people still get their health insurance, if they, you know, in the private sector, they get it from their private employer. And the contributions, the total contributions, the total cost of an insurance policy in 2000, you have at $6,438, and the employer would pay like $4,800 of it, and the worker would pay $1,600 a year. That was what was happening. It's only 25 years ago. It's not that long ago in the grand scheme of things.

And that has now increased from $6,400 to $25,572. Yeah, enough to buy a car. Yeah. And each year. Pay for your mortgage. Each year for one person, for one person. Right. And if you were to buy the medical care yourself, it would probably cost a lot less than your insurance premium.

Even in a bad year, I mean, the average expenditure of self-pay medical care, if you didn't have insurance, be far less than what you're paying for insurance. All right. So where is this $25,000 per year that the employer and the employee has to pay each year right now? where is all that fat going to? What is it going to? And that's not even counting, well, you got your $2,000 deductible or your $5,000 individual deductible and all these other things. Who's getting this all? Administrators, clerks, the whole mechanism supposedly managing your care.

I mean, that's supposed to be the business of your physician and you, not for some clerk, who probably can't even spell the procedure that she's, fix them to deny. You know, the official inflation from 2000 to 2025, I calculated that out. It was like 87%. But the cost of health insurance has gone up almost 300%. It's like three, almost four times, you know, that rate of inflation. We can't keep that.

But calling an insurance, it is not insurance. It is prepayment. And it's getting a third party who has no interest in the patient's health, but only interest on preventing payments in charge. How much longer before it collapses here, Dr. Orient? What do you think? Any guesses? Oh, I don't know. Maybe people will push us into getting Medicare for all, which will only be worse, but there is increasing movement for both physicians and patients

to get out of that system. They go to direct primary care. They go to direct payment for what they need, and they look at places like Surgery Center of Oklahoma to find out what a surgical procedure, procedures would really cost, and they're getting it, going outside the system. I wonder if we're going to see more medical tourism, which we go overseas. It used to be that people would come to America and get their procedures done, but I hear about people going overseas and getting their knee replacement.

You hear and stuff like that, too? We are seeing more of that, but look into Oklahoma first, Surgery Center, OK.com, and there are other surgery centers in the United States that are posting their prices and offer a really good deal for excellent. I appreciate the suggestion that that's going to be a growing thing over the years here. Dr. Jane Orient M.D., Executive Director, Association of American Physicians, Insurgents, AAPS Online, done ORG. I've got to put up your latest medical piece up, including that graph. The graph, rather, is sobering.

It really is. And the thing is, people are still complaining they can't find a doctor, too, on top of that doctor. How do you do? How do you square that circle, huh? Yeah, get the doctor. Exactly. Thanks for the call. Look for a direct primary care doctor if you can find one.

You got it. Appreciate the call. Thank you, Dr. Orient. Thank you. 756, KMED, on the Bill Meyers show. Fall is calling in range. Streamed on KMED.com. Appreciate you being here.

Going back to Dr. Jane Orient MD's grab that she put up there. It was fascinating. It's the average annual worker and employer contributions for health insurance premiums. This is premiums for family coverage. So this is Covering the Family, one person. working let's say and you would pay your health insurance premiums and you would pay your share of it as a worker and then the employer is paying the other share of it 2000 is right before 9-11 2000 it was $4,400 a year that's what the employer would pay and then you would pay 15,600 bucks a year on top of

that so 6,500 bucks a year that was the total cost for a family health insurance insurance plan, on average, 25 years ago. So remember that. $6,500 a year, $25 years ago, family coverage. You know what family coverage is right now? On average, for the family, $25,572. Four times, almost four times that. Four times what it was in 2000.

Now, inflation's only gone up 87%. So even if it had just kept up with the rate of inflation, it would have gone from like, okay, $6,400 a year to maybe $12,000, $11,000. Well, it wouldn't even be quite doubling. Yeah, it'd be like $11,000 a year. You go from $6,000 a year to maybe $11,000 a year, total cost. And then maybe you'd be paying, you know, $3,000 of that each year. is it any wonder that we have all of these companies that are frantically scrambling,

and maybe this is the conspiracy theory Thursday questionnaire, is it any wonder why all of the companies are scrambling to have artificial intelligence replace people when you have this kind of cost right now, just for a family health care deal, $2,6,400 a year, 2025, 25,000. Is it any wonder why everyone's trying to get rid of people as fast as they can? And yet everyone's going to keep getting rich by doing something like that. Well, man, I've got to tell you.

Maybe we can talk about that in a few other things. And I would still love to take your phone calls on your dishwasher debacle because that Yahoo news story I was talking about saying that people are stopping using the dishwasher because they can't handle how long it is taking for the modern dishwasher. dishwasher to actually do its cycle. Mine takes about 90 minutes. That's including the dry. 90 minutes and it's all done. And we're all ready to go. And I thought that was long. It's probably longer than the old dishwashers.

But now two and a half to four hours. That's what people are saying. There's no wonder they're not using it at this point. And now if things stay the same in the current administration, the water use goes down from five gallons per cycle to 3.2. That's barely a flush of the toilet. Yeah, you're just going to have to recirculate that water again and again and again. Man, boy, these bureaucrats. These bureaucrats, what are you? It's Conspiracy Theory Thursday.

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