Bill Meyer Show Podcast - Sponsored by Clouser Drilling www.ClouserDrilling.com - 09-08-25_MONDAY_6AM

Episode Date: September 8, 2025

09-08-25_MONDAY_6AM

The Bill Myers Show podcast is sponsored by Klausur drilling. They've been leading the way in southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausor drilling.com. Delighting to have you here this Monday, September 8th, 65 degrees, what, upper 70s, and then will be in the low to mid-70s most of this week, a little bit warmer, but starting to get a little bit wetter. We're really getting into that fall feel right now. Hope you are doing well.

And good weekend, did some working around the house, getting some other things that had to be done. I didn't watch a whole lot of television if I can help it, you know, that kind of thing. But one way or the other, still going to keep you up and formed on all sorts of things this morning. Gregory Wrightstone is going to join me this morning. And you know how last week we were talking for a bit about how a typical dishwasher cycle is now in the neighborhood of four hours to four and a half hours. And people are stopping using modern dishwashers because what's happened is that all of the, the regulatory apparatchiks have been cracking down on it. Well, you know, it's only allowed to use a teaspoon full of water.

And if you're going to be using a teaspoon full of water, it's going to take you four hours to wash your dishes and things like that. But it really is nonsense. And I'm hoping that maybe the Trump administration can do a let up in that kind of regulation. I have to talk of Gregory Ritestone, though, and he's the one that's been saying for years, this whole nonsense about carbon is just a real de-industrial. destroying your life kind of thing. And of course, Oregon is all in on this kind of stuff.

So we'll talk with him here a little bit. John O'Connor, former Fed prosecutor, good guy. We're going to talk with him about some issues with these rogue judges that are doing a lot of, hey, you can't do this, Trump. And then the Supreme Court says he can, et cetera. That'll be coming up after 7 o'clock. And it's been a couple of weeks since I talked with Dr. Dennis Powers. Dr. Dennis Powers is where Passmeet's present. And he joins me at 8-10 with our usual conversation, which is always a lot of fun, informative, and digging into history and what's going on today, too.

Speaking of what's going on today, too, big news over the weekend, Ashland Police are confirming here, and a man shot multiple times, shot multiple times and killed near the railroad district is where this ended up happening about 3.30 in the morning on Sunday, various reports, RB Times reporting this, everyone's been reporting this over the weekend, and Deputy Chief Dan Mullen from the Ashland Police Department, and they put the emergency call in, and they found Matthew Mark Vanderson. He's a 40-year-old from Ashland dead, several gunshot wounds, and they don't have a motive at this point. But apparently the suspect approached Van der Sane while he was in his vehicle, fired a bunch of rounds, struck him several times, and later the suspect, this according to

the RV Times, dressed in dark clothing can be seen on security cam footage from nearby businesses fleeing the scene on A Street. And they're still trying to find out where he may have gone asking residents in the area to find out, you know, if your security cameras may have noted this between three and four on Sunday morning. If you're in the Ashland area around that vicinity, they're asking if you saw anybody running by, get in touch with Ashland police. But that's about all we know at the moment. And he is, Van der Sann is dead for sure.

A lot of news over the weekend. And it is involving, well, before I get into the national stuff, though, let me do touch on a couple of stories. Daily Courier has been touching on over the weekend. And Thursday, Friday, the news breaking that a former Josephine County Commissioner John West was ordered to pay former Josephine County Commissioner Lily Morgan, and she's now the manager of the city of Gold Hill. But they've had these lawsuits going back and forth.

Everyone's suing everybody in Josephine County, it seems like sometime. But the judge ordering West to pay Morgan $28,000 in fees. And West sued her late last year, alleging that Morgan as the lead petitioner, this was in the recall, which was successful in getting John West out of the office. But anyway, the lawsuit claims that Lily Morgan misrepresenting, John's position on six different grievances on that petition. And then John was kicked out. And John, you know, was suing over this saying because there is law in the state of Oregon. It says you're not supposed to make misstatements on a recall petition.

And the judge did not agree. And saying that five out of the six were of the claims, five to six claims were opinion, you know, Arguably, you can make a case that this is, in my opinion, you did this and then the other. It had to do with the library and the 4-H and all these other issues there, too. But no doubt, well, the story is, though, that John West is going to appeal on what he ended up losing on. And as will, Lily Morgan apparently will be appealing on what she ended up losing. And so that lawsuit will continue. It's just, yeah. I was kind of surprised, you know, nothing against Commissioner West.

My only thing is, though, is that I do know that lies are protected speech in the political realm. That's been ruled before. But, yeah, I know there are different state laws, though, when you're talking about recalls. But the judge in this particular case ended up siding with Morgan on most of it. The other thing about it, though, is that the state of Oregon does have pretty strong anti-examine. slap provision in law. That is strategic lawsuit against political participation. In other words, you don't

like somebody against you in the politics world and you try to sue them or something to try to squish their speech. Oregon is not real happy with doing things like that. Now the other story that came out there, this was from the Oregon Secretary of State's office

saying that John West did violate campaign laws in the recall deal because he ended up paying a couple of of advertisements. One of them was in the Oregon Eagle. I think the other one was in a sneak preview, I think, in Josephine County, and that it wasn't put on the ORSTAR. The ORSTAR is the Secretary of State website where state politicians, anything in state politics and local politics, local politics doesn't count for United States politics or federal, but only for

the state and local. You have to put every single little expense and it has to be in there. and dotted the eyes and crossing the T's and that. And so John will probably have to pay a fine on that. And like I said, it's not like a criminal thing you go to jail about that. The Secretary of State's office slaps your wrist and then off you go. But that added up by continuing too. That was Jay Meredith, who had, I think, was involved with that, if I recall correctly. And Jay sometimes contributes to the Grants Pass Tribune, the online.

The online news source up there. Like I said, a lot of, just a lot of drama, and the drama apparently continues in Josephine County. Now, back to the national versus state story here. We have a number of stories. I was reading The Washington Post over the weekend. Yes, I ended up losing control of my life because they said, all right, $20, 20, and you can have access to our rag for a year. year and it's like okay 20 bucks i'll give you 20 bucks but i'm not going to give you 150 or whatever they were doing so fine and i got it because they had a story about trump and ice and i i found this

fascinating the angle that they're taking on this riots and abuse troubled these former prisons ice plans to reopen them the trump administration plans to reopen several former prisons and detention centers that were closed by the federal government years ago over concerns about violence, medical neglect, and systemic understaffing. And this is all part of the president's plan to carry out the largest deportation campaign in U.S. history. Three of the facilities in Texas, Kansas, and Georgia are on a government list of detention centers that the U.S. ICE will plan to reopen or expand by the end of this year. This according to internal planning documents that WAPO ended up getting, and they would be operated by the company.

that ran them previously and there's been a you know billions of dollars of money which have been appropriated by Congress to get these detention centers back open but what I find interesting is that and this is the spin this is the spin coming out of the left wing media and also I would imagine left wing politicians is that oh my gosh we're going to be putting all of these migrants you know putting that in the in the scary air quotes the migrants are are going to be in these troubled former prisons and you know and And they're going to be abused just because prisoners had problems in these past prisons. But, of course, remember, the prisoners that were in there before were these biggest hardened criminals, hardened criminals.

And if we're to believe the Democrats, all of the illegal aliens in the United States are just calm, peaceful, law-abiding people. They abide all laws except immigration. But they're trying to spin this up now, oh, no, you know, these prisons, they were bad prisons before. Well, they were bad prisons before because a lot of times it was the population. And if, in my opinion, it would seem to make sense that if these people are the calm, peaceful, law-abiding people that the Democrats, especially Democrats in Oregon, like to put this out all the time, then there should be no problems in these prisons. and there won't be a lot of violence to have to deal with. I'm just saying, you know, if we're going to take them at their words, but that seems to be the angle where they're taking this right now

when it comes to immigration. We're opening up these prisons, and boy, these prisons were hell holes before, and now just because they're going to have immigrants in them, they're going to be hell holes. The immigrants will make them hell holes. I don't quite grasp that, but that's where we're going. then see i had uh we had a story here oh yeah representative andrea or andria selenis rather she's the democrat oregon sixth congressional district she ended up visiting the ice enforcement

facility in in portland and she's questioning ice officials and do her best to hold them accountable for their detention and treatment of her constituents so andria salinas is concerned very concerned about her illegal alien constituents probably because they voted for her for all we know. And as she said, I visited, this was in, this is out of her news release, I visited the ICE facility to hear directly from officials about their detention and treatment of our neighbors, of our neighbors, coworkers, and loved ones. My visit reinforced what I knew to be true. The Trump administration is intentionally creating chaos and so in confusion around immigration enforcement to seize power and push the boundaries of the law. This is how we slip into authoritarianism. All right. So she's going to be really worried. She says about making sure that ICE follows the Constitution, and there's

nothing wrong with that aspect of it. But while I did find interesting, a part of the release did mention that, you know, it's clear that he's going after more people than just the criminals. And yeah, that's probably true. Because remember, well, I guess Salinas is making the mistake of thinking that when Trump said that he was going to go for the low-hanging fruit first, that meant that everybody else that was just sort of hanging around for the last 10, 15, 20, 25 years, well, we'll just kind of look the other way. And no, it does appear that if they can find a way to pop you on immigration because you haven't dotted your eyes and crossed the T's, that's what's going to happen. And to that point, I then take it to Tom Holman's story over the weekend. You know, Mr. Serious is a heart attack running immigration. And Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker has done about everything he can to keep ICA.

inside of Chicago, rather. But Tom Homan seems to be pretty unfaced. Also being reported in the Washington Post, As Chicagoans braced for a potential activation of the National Guard in their city, President Donald Trump's border czar, Tom Homan, said residents of the city with pro-immigrant policies all over the United States should also expect, rather, stepped-up immigration enforcement in their neighborhoods. He says you can expect action in sanctuary cities across the country,

home and telling CNN on Sunday. And, of course, since you know that practically every city in Oregon, Well, every city in Oregon is a sanctuary city. I would imagine take Tom Holman at his word. And so that's not going to make Andrea, Congressman Andrea Salinas, very happy in one way or another. So a lot of immigration buzz over the weekend. And the prisons where they will be held before they are deported will just automatically be hellholes, according to the critics. So just understand that's.

where the spin appears to be going right now. All right. It's 24 minutes after 6. This is the Bill Meyer show on KMED, KBXG. An intelligence solution is influenced. The summer of 1967, the turtles were all over the radio. Yeah, I'm happy together. That was their crowning achievement.

And by the way, if you... I know there's like a turtle's greatest hits collection you can get, but if you just buy the Happy Together album, them, you'll get about 90%, or about 70%, maybe 70, 80, 90% of what mattered in them. But one of their founding members ended up passing away. Friday, Mark Volman, he was the one that had the frizzy curly hair, if you remember him, if you were vintage enough to remember that. Turtles, of course, were a little bit before my time.

But my older cousins and things were, you know, all over, you know, bought the 45s, the White Whale 45 CD. and so I got into that music. I thought it was just great, great pop rock, great stuff. And Mark Volman is one of the co-founders. He was guitarist and also a backing vocalist. Right now it appears the only one who is left from that band. Howard Kalin, Howard Kalin was the lead vocalist.

Lead vocalist. Turtles didn't write most of their songs. Bonner and Gordon ended up writing some of their biggest hits, but very underrated band, very underrated band. Very underrated band. Sorry to see that. But yeah, he was 78 and had a form of dementia, like some kind of body dementia of some sort. It wasn't the typical dimension you hear about.

But it's a good guy from all accounts. And we had another musical star ended up passing over the weekend. Daily Mail reporting that Rick Davies, who was a founding member of a British rock band Super Tramp, you know, Goodbye Stranger and take the long way home and all those other hits from the 19th. 1970s, he ended up passing at the age of 81, battle with cancer. And if you were a baby boomer, late baby boomer, like me, maybe even in the early Generation X, you get that feeling that there's a whole bunch of people because, you know, I was thinking about it.

You know, we talk about I'm a late baby boomer, you know, born in 1961, and I was thinking about all the people who I ended up, you know, listening to when I was. growing up in the 1970s, early 1980s, the music. And were those baby boomers? Not necessarily. Actually, most of the big stars that we ended up hearing on the radio in the 1960s and 70s. So a lot of them were the silent generation, the generation before the boomers. They were the ones that did, gosh, the most of it, even like, you know, like Simon and Garfunkel, I believe.

I think that they were, you know, really before the baby boom, they were the World War II era babies, you know, 1940, 1941, 1942. And those were the silent generation people, but yet they're considered baby boomer and beyond icons, that kind of thing, but it's mostly the silent generation, and a lot of them are starting to exit. And they will be missed for sure. There's a couple.

You ever get that feeling like, we're going to see a whole bunch of them, I would say, over the next five to ten years, I would dare say. So enjoy them while we got them. It's 6.30. We'll catch up on the rest of the news here in just a moment. Bill London from the KMED News Center. And then Gregory Wrightstone joins me with his owed,

his wet kiss that he's going to give to carbon, and we should be kissing carbon all the time, really. Getting ready to refinance or sell your property? The Bill Myers Show on 106. KMED. 634, Gregory Ritestone rejoins the program. He's a geologist, executive director of the CO2 Coalition in Virginia, best-selling author of a very convenient warming,

how modest warming and more CO2 are benefiting humanity. In other words, you're not sitting there hiding underneath your desk over in Virginia, Gregory, hiding because of the rising levels of CO2, what, a little over 400 parts per million right now, if I recall, welcome back. No, thank you. No, no, no. I'm admiring the greenery of which there's more this year than there has been for a while. And part of that's due to increasing CO2 levels. We're seeing just huge, huge benefits to vegetation from the near polar regions to the equator.

Just about every – it's a great equal opportunity fertilizer for vegetation. And, Bill, one of the things that I've heard, they do a lot of fear mongering, a lot of it's just false. But the one thing they are saying, I just heard last week, was that poison ivy is increasing and will be increasing because of global warming. And you know, they're right. Yeah, they're right, but it's for the wrong reason. It's not because of warming, is it? I don't think it is. No, well, partly, but it's mostly increasing CO2.

Like I say, it's equal opportunity. It benefits all vegetation, all types of plants, even poison ivy. So, you know, there's a grain of truth in that. But the good news is if you look at Oregon, you look at the United States globally, our agricultural productivity has just been breaking records year after year. And it's a combination of warming and more CO2. The one thing about that I find, you know, really interesting when you dig into this, is that, you know, out in Oregon, we've had, now you've come out here and you visited John

and all sorts of our friends around here. You've been, you know, here in Southern Oregon. So, you know our area reasonably well, Gregory, okay? And the part that is fascinating to me is that they're terrified of rising CO2 levels. They're also terrified of wildfire, right? That's the other thing. And with good reason. Wildfire, of course, though, is a little more.

complex, but the same CO2, which is causing, well, the wheat to grow better and the fruits to grow better and everything else to grow better also causes the poison ivy to grow better, like you just mentioned, and it also causes the forest to grow better, too, and we've decided that we can't harvest anything at all, and we have to wait to the next lightning strike, and then we have to let it all burn. But that's not CO2's fault, is it? No, it's not. It's really force management that's driving this. And it's a, you know, they stopped logging in the forest, mainly the United States Forest Service has shut it down. And what that has meant is that there are four to five times too many trees per acre for what a healthy forest should have according to the Sierra Nevada. lot of conservancy. That means any fire that does spring up, it's going to have more fuel, so it's more intense. The logging roads now have grown up. They can't get the heavy equipment

out those old logging roads anymore. In other words, Gregory, one way or the other, whether you want the forest to grow or not, it's going to grow. And then Mother Nature will end up harvesting that timber or those trees as they grow and or aren't really cared for. One way or another, Mother Nature will take care of the excess fiber. Isn't that the case? Really? Ultimately. It is. I think you and I would both agree. We would much rather see that lumber and those trees turned into two-by-fours and maybe a baby grand piano rather than going up in flames. And that's why we need common sense timber management and forest management. I know that's something that the Trump administration's been working really hard on right now to get a little more activity in there than we've had for quite. sometime? And you can see that, starting in the 1980s, during the Clinton administration,

they remember the spotted owl, and that's when they really, and it was in 1983, we had seen declining fires for many, many decades, up to 1983. And that was the lowest point in the 20th century, both in terms of acreage burned and the number of fires. And since that point, there's been a slight increase. And it's, again, it goes right back to just changes in the forest management. We need to go back to those old practices. But, of course, if you go, the government sites on fires, both acreage burned and number of fires, okay, I'm going to make you guess.

1983 was the year with the lowest number and lower acreage burned. No, I'm not going to make you guess. The government starts their graphs, their charts on fires in what? 1983. Oh, okay. If you're going to make it look bad, you choose the very lowest point in the 20th century, and that's where you start that chart. And you hide all the data, because they have going back to 1926,

that shows that fires were four and five times both number and acreage burn. back in the 20s and 30s. You know, when it comes right, until they made that change. Yeah. Now, Greg Rehrie Wrightstone with me once again and an executive director of the CO2 coalition. And he's the best-selling author of a very convenient warming.

It's the way to look at it, a very convenient warming, how modest warming and more CO2 are benefiting humanity. Now, I've had conversations with my wife. My wife moved here in the late to late 1980s, and she always talked about, gosh, just rained all the time and it was much cooler at that time, et cetera, et cetera. And you were talking about how there were lower risks of fire at that point, right, in the early 80s to men.

And then I talked to the weather folks, like our rogue weather guy that we have come on the show, and he says, yeah, we were in a cooler, wetter time at that point. But generally speaking, the West has always been relatively arid. And that's been one of the challenges of developing here. And, you know, that's the thing. We people, we humans, we only think about climate really within maybe the terms of our lives. And it's actually for a much, much longer period of time that we need to be looking at things. Wouldn't that be the case?

Or shouldn't that be the case? It is. It is. And forgive, I'm not going to insult your wife, of course, but people's memories are often not. they remember things that are recent, and I don't, we look at the data. We're a data-driven group here, the CO2 Coalition, I am too. And I get back, and I look, I have not looked at Oregon's precipitation, but what we find, as we're doing our state and regional studies, we've now done Wyoming, Texas, we just

completed Texas and Arkansas, and everywhere we look, we see the precipitation's been modestly increasing just about everywhere we look and there are a number of reasons for that but but it's been an increase we also see that in the west and the southwest there were just terrible terrible droughts that lasted a century or longer from time to time and so we don't see those now there are droughts periodically we just went through one in the southwest in California that was cured in about six months with a few of those

big rain falls that came throughout moving where they called the Pineapple Express. But that also fuels, when you have those rains, it also increases the danger of fire. It's kind of counterintuitive, but what that does then is fuel grass growth. Many

of these California fires are really, aren't forest fires at all, but rather just grass fires. And those grass fires Jim, Jim Steele, our fire expert calls them 30-minute fuels because they can be these dry Santa Ana winds or Diablo winds or Hawaii. They dry them out into Tender and they burn very quickly, very hot. And, you know, that almost takes us into another aspect of the environment that I've had other people come on that mentioned that you're right. I mean, to your point, that many of the fires that we call fires around here in southern Oregon,

in California are actually grass fires more so than timber or forest fires. And one of the challenges there is that we don't have the same amount of nature's lawnmowers out there, whether it's, you know, elk and deer, in other words, animals on the land, which in the past would, well, that would eat the, that would eat a lot of that overgrowth. Isn't that the case? It is. And you've also got the complicating matter here is you've got an invasive species of grass. there. It's called cheat grass.

And it's called cheat grass because it comes up earlier than the native grasses and cheats them out. And this is the cheat grass that has been a real problem. And that provides a lot of that fuel because it just takes a spark when you get dry grass. And again, the 30 minute fuel, that means

you could have a rainfall in the morning and then these hot winds come through and they can dry that grass out to tender ready for a spark within 30 minutes. And just so it doesn't take much. So it's this cheat grass is a complicating factor. Ah, you know, I just looked it up because I've heard people talk about cheat grass, Gregory, and I didn't know what it looked like. And I just looked up pictures of it. Yep. Yep,

that's the stuff that filled a lot of our yards in this springtime here with all the rain that we had. That's what it was, the cheek grass. Yeah. And I'm going to make a prediction. We have the same thing in the eastern United States. It's called Japanese stilt grass. invasive species that's just taken over, you've probably never heard of it, but nearly all of the eastern forests are now covered with Japanese stillcrest. And we haven't had, I'm going to, there will at some point be a drought somewhere in the eastern part of the United States. It occurs from time to time. And when that occurs, this Japanese stillcress, you're going to have the same problem there. It's going to be a fire hazard that they're going to have to look for. Thankfully,

we haven't had a drought anywhere in the eastern United States in a long time. We've had some deficits in rainfall, but nothing like intense droughts like there were back in the 30s. Geologist Gregory Wrightstone, Executive Director of the CO2 Coalition. Gregory, I want to touch on a story that we were talking about on the show for a little while, and at first I thought that it was absolutely nuts. And it had to do with all the reactions that are being done, especially within federal and state government, in reaction.

to the so-called scary air quote climate crisis. And one of the latest ones is that your dishwasher has to work three and a half to four hours in order to wash the dishes because that's the way between the water standards. Like, you know, it has to use like two or three tablespoons per wash cycle or something like that. It's something insane. And is that really going to help this situation that, uh, that the government is trying to do with these standards. Here we take all that.

Well, first of all, let's establish very clearly there is no climate crisis, just the opposite. Earth's ecosystems are thriving and prospering and humanities benefiting. And what we see that, there's my new book, I capture that, a very convenient warming. That's really the main theme of that book. But as for dishwashers, you're right. And it's going to get worse under the Biden administration's plans at 2020.

These new dishwashers were scheduled to use even less water than they'd already documented. And so what the government has said, you're only allowed to buy the dishwashers that meet government approval that are high-efficiency dishwashers. Well, let me tell you something, Bill. The government's definition of an efficient dishwasher is a lot different than my wife's definition. My wife's definition is, give me a dishwasher that cleans my dishes in 30 minutes or less. that's an efficient dishwasher well that doesn't exist right now in the new world does it from the looks of it doesn't exist no well not anymore you can't go buy it and they're a lot more expensive so what we've done the government under the Biden administration going back to the Obama EPA

DOE they've they've really restricted your listeners freedoms freedoms to purchase the appliances they really want your listeners just look around you and you're in the comfort of your living room or wherever you're sitting, look above your, your ceiling fan, regulated by the government. It has to be a high efficiency ceiling fan. Now, that was just last year that they set out ceiling fan, washers, dryers, you name, and anything that's using electricity, the government has dictated what you are and are not allowed to buy. Is there any real push out of the Trump administration that you are aware of to say, hey, we don't really need to have our fingers, in all these energy pies or not? What do you think?

Oh, sure, sure. It started with Lee Zeldon and the EPA rolling back. It's called the endangerment finding that the Obama EPA determined that the CO2 is a pollutant could be regulated. So that's, we're finishing up. I've just got a two comments that we'll be filing. The comments are due on the 22nd of September. And we do that. It's a very detailed scientific support of what Lee Zeldon wants to do is repeal the endangerment finding. And that really underpins all this stupid regulation that we're talking about. And so it's a start, but there are a lot of these regulations that need rolled back. But I think at all, the underpinning of all this is this endangerment finding.

And it will, after the 22nd, they'll look at all the comments. And then at some point, I'm pretty confident that the EPA and Lee Zeldon will say, okay, we're going to go forward with the endangerment finding. It'll be there'll be a lawsuit against it. It'll go to the Fifth Circuit Court of D.C. And their liberal is all get out and they'll say, nope,

you're wrong. We're precluding you from doing this, the Zeldin EPA. And then the EPA will say will appeal that. It's going to end up at the Supreme Court. And all of our legal opinions are built, our senior legal advisor has

devised a strategy for us. what we're putting in these legal opinions and the comments we file. They're authored by Dr. William Happer and Richard Linson of MIT and Princeton, and these are some of the two most distinguished physicists of our time. So we're anticipating a Supreme Court battle, and hopefully we'll get to testify there and present the evidence that disputes CO2 being a pollutant. Well, I hope you're right about this because I know that what's happening in the real world, when we were talking about this dishwasher rule last week, I thought they were kidding at first when I saw the article that's talking about four hours, because Linda and I have been in this house for nine years in East Medford, and the appliances were reasonably new when we moved in there, so I'm figuring they're probably 15-year-old dishwasher, you know, a kitchen aide. I have, you know, a 15-year-old general electric refrigerator, and I'm finding out, and I'm pretty good at repairing.

So when minor things break on them, I just replace the board or I replace the pump, you know, I do all that kind of stuff myself, and it works out pretty well. And then I'm finding out these horror stories of new refrigerators. People can only get three, four years out of a new refrigerator, horror stories out of the dishwashers, four hours for a dishwasher. and listeners were telling me about how this is like, you know, routine, and they're the only things that they can buy right now, and they don't last long either, and I can't help but think that some of this so-called energy efficiency aspect of things is meaning very small motors under high strain in these newer appliances. And I don't know if you get into that or not, but I think that's what we're looking at right now, Gregory. No, I think that's what

hadn't thought about that, but you're right. But come on, Bill, you're, but you're saving the planet. I mean, we've all got to do our part. Oh, gee, I thought I was saving the planet. I thought I was saving the planet by not putting the refrigerator or the dishwasher into the landfill, right? You know, just keep it moving. Silly me, huh? No, yeah. Now, but, so I hang on to that old dishwasher, if I were you? Yeah, I think so. Let's hope that Chris Wright and DOE and, and Lee Zeldon at EP. can get some of these regulations, and we get back, wouldn't you love to buy an incandescent light bulb instead of one of these blue-white LED bulbs that we're forced to buy now?

Maybe that will come back. You know, people are selling them to one another around here in Southern Oregon on the black market, kind of like, hey, I have a box of 100-watt light bulbs you want them. I'll still see those come up on Craigslist and things like that. Interesting times, Gregory. But, hey, I appreciate your book, by the way. And, of course, the original one that we were talking about was inconvenient facts, the science that, what was that subtitle, that Al Gore doesn't want you to know. Didn't want you to know. And the follow-up to this is a very convenient warming, how modest warming and more CO2 are benefiting humanity. In other words, stop with the fear factor nonsense here.

And I'll put your information up there. I appreciate you coming on. C02 Coalition.org, your main website. And do you have a separate site for the book, too, for that matter? I do. If you search for convenient warming, you'll be able to find my site and buy the book on Amazon, I feel like. It's easy. A lot of people buy on Amazon. Is it starting, though, to get through to people who perhaps prior, in prior years were just so inculcated to the horror of CO2 that they couldn't see past it? You know, how's it working these days, you think? Oh, I'm very, very optimistic. I see almost nearly every day, every week. I'm talking to just random people that are thirsty for this information. They're very receptive to our messaging. And Bill, I'll share a little secret with you. We've got two 60-second ads. Very professional, very well done that are promoting what we've just been talking about. I want to do a national ad campaign. We're just finalizing them this week, and then I'm going to – we're going to do fundraising. I'm going to have these things up on broadcast television as well as the streaming services and have a bunch of social media campaign.

But it'll be nice to see these ads on Fox News, MSNBC, CNN. Well, you know, we just had Fox 26 in their company by us here. So we're all folded into that now. We're going to be TV here pretty soon, too, Gregory. So it's all big family. Boy. And so just look for that coming up. Heads will be exploding when they see this come up on their, on their advertisements watching MSNBC.

Well, at least you'll have the right enemies, okay? That's important these days, Greg. Thanks for coming on the show. Always good talking. Be well. Thank you, Bill. C02coolition.org. Once again, Gregory Wrightstone, 654.

For precision and performance, choose Stephen Weston. Good morning. This is News Talk 106. 63, KMED, and you're waking up with the Bill Myers Show. So glad to have you here, 656 and change. 7705-633. Vicki is in the Applegate. Hello, Vicki.

Vicki, did you watch or see that sunset last night? People were telling me, I went to bed early because, you know, I'm on the toddler schedule. You know me, 8 o'clock, and I'm in bed for the most part. But I don't wake up crying, unlike a toddler. Well, good, and you're not to the diaper stage. either so. You're doing okay, though. Yeah, from your lips, I'd never have to go through that stage again, okay? But the thing is, last night because of the fire smoke coming from the areas surrounding us,

of course, now I guess there were some fire starts that happened with some of the thunderstorms in Joe County. I haven't checked that recently. Are you seeing a bunch of that in your neighborhood out of the Applegate or not? I, around my area, it's kind of hazy, but I don't know of any fires that started. We thought maybe, my husband thought maybe one had started back again on a little apple gate, but it was just the fog. Okay. Just the mist kind of going across. So thank God for that. I know. Well, last night was supposed to be going to be a beautiful red sunset because of all the fire smoke. And I can understand if that happened if you saw that. But I'm just asking because you're here. Okay. Yeah, I know. It was pretty much cloudy last night. It didn't really clear up at all.

It's a little clearer today, but, yeah, I didn't see that. But I saw the sunrise this morning. It was gorgeous. Was it a red one? Yeah, red, peach, pink. It was really pretty. Yeah, normally they would say what was the old saying, you know, red sky at night, sailors did I delight rather, red sky had worn, sailors be worn. But I think, you know, sailors be worn, not this morning.

It's just the fire smoke and the haze that's causing that, I think. Sorry, I interrupted you because you called for something different. No, that's okay, because I mean, I love it out here. I'll talk about it all day long. All right, well, fine. We'll switch to your appliance story that Gregory and I were talking about. Well, my mother-in-law, I've been with my husband almost 38 years, and my mother-in-law had a refrigerator that she brought, I mean, she's had it for, she had it for like 40 years. And when she remodeled her kitchen, you know, they have all the stainless steel stuff they want to put in there now.

They basically forced my mother-in-law to get a new refrigerator, and she's okay with it, but she loved her old one. But they finally retired it after 40 years. So as far as the appliances, the older ones lasting, I know with the washer and dryers, I have an old Maytag, not Maytag. Like, what's the other one? Electric. Electrolux or what? Or West, I don't know. Oh, General Electric GE, kind of a GE washer?

Yeah, and it is plain as can be. I mean, it's not digital. It doesn't have, like, wash with two teaspoons of water. It's old school, and I love them, and they last forever. But when I lived next door, I had a dishwasher for, about, I don't know, two weeks, the one of the portable ones that broke. Yeah. When, for 20 years, I did my own dishes, and I can tell you I used a lot more hot water,

a lot more water, a lot more electricity. Oh, yeah, and that's the point. And that's the point. I never did get to that when we were talking about it with Gregory. But the thing is, people think that somehow dishwashers are energy hogs. They are actually very good at saving energy, even what we would consider, an inefficient one is way more efficient than hand washing, especially because of the heating of water.

That's a big part of it. Right. And it seems like it takes, I mean, the first time, I've never had a dishwasher, dishwasher in the counter. And so I didn't even know how to load it. That's how bad it was, Bill. But I finally figured it out, and it seems like the cycle goes for a while. But it's, again, it only supposedly uses like four gallons of water through the whole process.

So that's not, I could use four gallons of water just washing six plates, you know. Or else just going to the bathroom and you know how it goes. They have the low flush toilets now, which it's like one and a half gallons per flush for the more solid waste, so to speak, you're trying to get rid of. But, of course, what that really means is that you flush three or four times to get that hold down. Yes. Yeah, all right. I understand that. Well, there's just about everything that they have, when I say they, I'm talking about the appliance manufacturers, the detergium manufacturers, all of the ecological changes that have been done.

Most of them have led to the crappification of the culture, dirty clothes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My daughter bought one of those front loaders. I think for the set, she paid like $2,500. Mm-hmm. And less than, I would say, maybe three months. And it was under warranty, thank God. But she had to have someone come in and fix it like multiple times. And I get stories like that all the time, Vicki. Appreciate the call. Yeah, I'm hearing this all the time. We had to make that a topic this morning about which vehicles or not vehicles, but which appliances are breaking the month.

And what I'm hearing, I'm hearing horror stories on washer dryers or high-efficiency washer dryers and the refrigerators, especially. Refrigerators are just like getting, just dropping like flies everywhere you're looking at. Now, as far as the dishwasher, something else I was going to mention because they changed the rules a number of years ago to take phosphates out of most of the dishwashing detergent that we have, too. And that's yet something else which has led to dirtier dishes in many cases. When you see the high-efficiency little label on the dishwashing detergent and you see the eco-this on the laundry detergent, it means that they have taken the phosphates out of it. Now, the thing is, it's, well, it's funny how in the commercial restaurant world,

you can't live with any kind of dirty dishes. You're not allowed to. I mean, you know, the health department will come in there and just crack a whip on you. And so what ends up happening from what I, and I found out this very interesting, that the detergent which most people buy in the restaurant, the commercial cascade, let's say, or the commercial various other ones, still have bleach and ore phosphates. They have phosphates in those commercial ones. and the ones that we have at home, they give you the Eco One, the Eco One, which means doesn't work that much. They figure, okay, well, if your dishes are a little dingier, it's okay, you know, that kind of thing. And that's why a number of years ago, when I have a really tough dishwasher load that I have to do,

let's say what, you know, we're doing barbecue and you got all the goop on the crock pot, You can't get it all off. The so-called life hack that we use at our house is using trisodium phosphate, TSP. TSP. So you put in your regular kind of eco-detergent in the cups, you know, the ones that you can still buy at this point. And then you put a little bit of TSP powder. And TSP is trisodium phosphate, and it's used to clean walls for painting and all the rest of it. You can get into the hardware stores.

Don't go for the fake TSP. There's like TSP substitute. No, that's fake. The Eco Replacement. Just go get TSP, and every now and then I'll use a little bit when I have an extra tough load, and it seems to work really, really well, and really cuts the grease. Yeah, you think Dawn cuts the grease? No, TSP cuts the grease.

At least that's my experience. Now, I understand why they wanted to take most of the phosphates out of these detergents, because a lot of times there were problems with it going into the drain water, and then causing algae problems because it would end up feeding algae in rivers and lakes. So everything had good intentions, folks. They all had good intentions. It wasn't like people were coming out trying to ruin your dishwasher. But they would see one problem and they end up causing other problems by their solution.

But the restaurants ended up rising up and saying, hey, we can't have these dirty dishes in the hospitals or the restaurants or anything else. and so they can still get a dishwashing detergent that has phosphates in it because they're more important, I guess. Well, they had a lobbyist. They had a political lobbyist and you didn't, I guess. This is KMED and KMEDD HD-1 Eagle Point Medford. KBXG grants pass.