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Episode Date: September 11, 2025

Curtis Houck, Managing editor MRC Newsbusters - how the light rail murder in N. Carolina is being reported, John Schleining calls with great news of the Paradise Lodge surviving the Moon Complex Fire, open phones follow

The Bill Myers Show podcast is sponsored by Klausur drilling. They've been leading the way in southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausor drilling.com. Joining me right now is Curtis Hout. He's a managing editor of MRC Newsbusters, and I want to talk with him about a story which really disheartened me and really got me and got a lot of folks around the country disheartened, too, and that's about the Charlotte, I guess, Subway.

I know if it's a Subway or not, definitely public transportation, stabbing, ended up killing the Ukrainian war refugee, a nice blonde girl, just going to her pizza job, from what I understand. And it's one of those stories that, and by way, Curtis, it's great to have you on. Welcome back to the show. Good morning. I just want to see. Good to be with you, yeah. Yeah, great to have you here. Not for a great story, unfortunately, though. And it's one of those stories that is another example that things are upside down, things are not right in America, and things just have not made sense. And there have been two 180-degree different types of reporting being done on this.

And you over at NewsBusters, you categorize in database all this stuff. And I'm kind of wondering if you could tell this how people that are still, you know, watching, you know, CNN or ABC or MSNBC, et cetera, et cetera. How are they seeing that story and how is the rest of the country seeing it right now? Well, I mean, I think overall there's so many layers to this story, not only of the suspect in this case, the alleged killer, but also the actions of the people around after, even after he left the train cars. So this wouldn't have been a Daniel Penny situation. Right. This was five people within the pod, the portion of that light rail, where she had been stabbed.

She was crying and she collapsed. Fortunately, the full video was released. It was just one of the more disturbing things I've seen, you know. Well, what disturbed me most, I think, as bad as it was seeing the, you know, thuggish dirtbag that should have been in prison all along, you know, doing this, was seeing a number of other people. I could swear, correct me if I'm wrong, didn't even look up. Yeah, they were just kind of looked over like, oh, okay. Like somebody may have sneezed, you know, she may as well sneezed instead of been stabbed, and they just kind of continued about.

And it was someone from further down the, you know, caboot, the set of train cars that realized something was wrong when they saw blood on the floor and took their shirt off to try and save this girl. But, you know, in the media, though, they were dragged into covering this. Trump weighing in on Monday morning at an event I actually was at the Museum of the Bible, because my wife works there. That is the reason why there is coverage of this. President Trump dragged the news media into covering this. Now, you can say that Donald Trump has weighed in.

They're covering it, but also it kind of gives the liberal media, unfortunately, unfairly, incorrectly a permission structure to politicize it. Before that, though, there was no coverage other than one mentioned. a two-minute, three-second segment on Monday, CBS mornings. The video came out late last week. News Nation was first on Saturday night, then News Macs Sunday morning,

Fox News, Sunday, afternoon, early evening. And only then did it kind of start to pick up. Currently, the total is looking at 11 minutes and 6 seconds through the network morning shows and far more time on cable. MSNBC through yesterday afternoon, I believe,

when Bill was putting this video, together, compilations you could see at NewsBusters, they had really only genuinely talked about it, maybe once, and it just goes to show the commentary about the left, but when they do cover it, I mean, get into this, they're kind of showing and telling on themselves the far left base is almost fetish to support pro-crime individuals. Yeah, and it's like a pathology, a pathological love of the ugly and the violence. And it's just, I don't get it. And now, the guy, the dirtbag involved here, De Carlos, Brown Jr., right?

Long criminal record, long criminal. I mean, this was one of those guys that you would almost say, if there was a problem in a neighborhood, you would go pick him up because you would consider him part of the usual suspects. Really, right? Yeah. One of those guys. Or what you would do, and this was brought up, yes, last night on CNN News site, which I like to call CNN Thunderdome.

airline downy of National Review was completely hounded and jumped for this, saying that this is why we need to bring back mental institutions. And if someone who's been very public about my mental health, and on this is World Suicide Prevention Day, a lot of us are sympathetic to this idea. But you reach a certain point when, yes, you may have, this guy may have schizophrenia because he believed, like, he was, had a chip in him, that people were watching. him and all this other kind of stuff. You're arrested 14 times at a certain point, the compassion train runs out. You know, this is the way the left works, that murderers, I had a case growing up at my church. There was a child molester in the church choir, and people, what became a very liberal congregation, said he shouldn't receive prison time because he needs rehabilitation. It's the same sort of mindset that they're living in now, that the left is trying to say, no, no, no, the real

story is that society failed the suspect here, that he didn't receive. adequate social services, and he wasn't in a group home, and he wasn't given a job. It's absolutely ridiculous. They're showing this level of compassion for him. And for a side that is all about Ukraine, that people have Ukrainian flag and their username on X. You're not hearing about this. Boy, and she was just trying to escape the carnage in Ukraine, wasn't she? Yeah. That's all she was trying to do. It reminds me of Astorian, D.C.,

An Uber driver was killed last year who escaped during the collapse of the Afghan government during the failed U.S. withdrawal. He was an Uber driver trying to support his family and then he was murdered here in D.C. Is of all of the – and once again, there is a compilation video on newsbusters.org, and Bill Dagostino, Dextino ended up putting that together your colleague there, and we appreciate it. But is there anybody in the mainstream that most Americans would end up having seen this story? Who has treated it fairly? I mean, reported it honestly. And when I say honestly, giving the full truth of it, not saying, oh, gosh, if it hadn't been for lack of mental institutions,

then this gentle creature that knifed the Ukrainian refugee to death on the light rail would still be with us. Bill, the unfortunate thing is, in this coverage, and we do see this in a lot of other news stories over the years in my career, they'll give you the initial blow-by-blow facts. Like, their narration of the video on the light rail is correct, and it's solid. But instead of then trying to, and they'll mention his prior criminal record, and even his 14 arrests, and that he spent many years in jail, his six years in jail, I believe. They will then pivot then to make all sorts of wide, ridiculous conclusions, or they will try to say that this is an isolated example. You have some saying, well, this really doesn't mean anything because Charlotte is a very safe city. Others bring up the mental health thing that we were talking about as well, or others may bring up race. New York Times had a thing saying, hey, man, we don't want to let this get out of hand because, you know, in the 40s or in the 1800, some point like that during segregation, you know, a white woman got beat up or whatever, and it led to a lynch mob, you know.

Okay, well, is it racist to notice that the killer was black? Yeah, I mean, if things were reversed, I mean, I think that's true. News Nations Leeland Bitter made that point. It's an uncomfortable conversation that a lot of people don't want to have that the killer was black, the woman who was killed was white, and the other people in the train car that didn't do anything were also black. Also black, yeah, yeah. And is – but I guess – I don't think it's racism to notice, though. But yet the system seems to be primed for that right now, that if you notice, then something is wrong with your race barometer or thermometer if there is such a thing. It's just a lack of humanity.

Hmm. Where do you think is there going to be any soul searching that you think in the corporate newsrooms after this story? Is it getting that much traffic now that people are realizing, hey, you're not telling us what's going on here? Well, I don't think you'll ever have anya culpa. You know, these people admit that these people insist. We heard this during Trump 1.0. Oh, no. When we make mistakes, we correct them. There's no soul searching being done. Kamala Harris is out there refusing to accept blame for the election. It's the same sort of thing. this is, it's, uh, it's instinctive. It's psychological, pathological. Yeah. If you started out of block, that they will not, uh, admit to fault on anything.

Yes, you have one of the pod save bros being like, hey, guys, we need to dial it back here. But they're trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube. Yeah. Well, has, uh, anybody made the claim here that if it wasn't for a Trump having cut Medicaid that this, uh, this gentle, uh, this gentle thug would have been, uh, CNN went there, chief intelligent law enforcement analyst, John Miller, whom we should say was with the NYPD at numerous occasions, was on ABC News during 9-11 coverage, actually. He did say, well, North Carolina is last in terms of mental health spending, so, you know. Well, that excuses murder, really does.

No problem. Yeah. Okay, well, you know, if we just had more mental health spending, he would have been treated and fine. Probably not. All right. I appreciate your work over at MRC NewsBusters. I really do, Curtis, and thanks for being here. You're the managing editor of NewsBusters, newsbusters.org.

You can check this compilation video. It's worth watching here. And share it, too, just to remind people of what you're not being told, depending on where you are and who you're listening to, okay? Thanks, Bill. Appreciate the call. Next time, we'll hopefully have something more fun to talk about, like Joy Reid. Well, Joyless Reed.

Okay, you bet. I can't wait. Thank you. See you then, Curie. is 726 at KMED and coming up here in just a few minutes I honestly have some great news some great news about the some of the fire activity that's been going on here southern california out on the coast i'm sorry southern oregon northern california and out on the coast here too i'll tell you more about that coming up it's the bill mire show on kmED southern oregon's place to talk

seven 29 i bring you some genuinely good news this morning and it is a pleasure to talk with John Shlining. John Shlining, of course, runs Paradise Lodge out on the wild. That's considered technically the Wild and Scenic section of the Rogue River. Isn't that right, John? Welcome back. Hi, correct. It is. It's the wild and scenic. There's no road access to Paradise Lodge. And it's really a miracle that the heroes of the Forest Service and the Coos Forest Protection League and ODF&W actually save Paradise Lodge and Half Moon Bar Lodge, at least for now. There's thousands of acres on fire all around it, literally right up to where we water the grass.

But they've protected all the buildings on both sides, surrounded by literally thousands of acres as far as you can see. And the fire is going to continue to grow and grow. It's going to go five or ten miles. Wow. And the only way that it'll ever be put out is when the winter rains come. The Forest Service doesn't have the ability to put the fire out. Yeah, and the fire which afflicted Paradise Lodge, and what's the other lodge, Half Moon? Half Moon Lodge, you said? There's another one? Yes, Half Moon Bar Lodge.

Yeah, Half Moon Bar. That's the Moon complex of fires. And so my question is, was, and I'm glad to hear, just so glad, did it actually burn up near the property? I mean, how did that actually work out there? Because you have the firefighters that are staying at the lodge right now as a base, right? Well, yeah, it burned right up to our airstrip, right up to the green grass. Wow. I mean, you can see it. I mean, I have pictures I'll send you. Like, if you look down the airstrip, the whole mountain is on fire. If you look across the river on the other side, it's fire all the way down to the river.

So, I mean, it's just encompassed every place where the two lodges are. They did a fantastic job. The other thing I wanted to give a plug to is representative cliff fence. The Corps of Engineers announced that they were going to lower the water from the dam, which would make it not safe to have the jet boats that we're using to help the firefighters go up and down the river. It would have really hurt the firefighting operation. And Cliffbent called the Manassum police could reconsider that, so they did. That's great news.

That's great news. So, okay, I guess we'll save the fish after the fire is put off. I'm assuming that's the reason why they were doing it. If you're letting more water out, you're saving this dish already. You know, the good news is, though, is that, you know, it's not completely good news because the fire could blow up and it could start again. They say there's about a 20% chance. There's about a 20% chance that it could still take it out, but 80% that it won't.

So, I mean, we're incredibly lucky. It's really a miracle. I didn't think that it would make it. And I'm very grateful. But, you know, Paradise Lodge is a national treasure. And, you know, it's just when people go there, no matter how grubs they are, they leave happy. And it's a wonderful place. If you haven't been there, you should really consider it now that it's still going to be there.

Yeah, I'm glad to hear that. John, I wanted to just, and the part that kind of bother me when I heard about Paradise Lodge and Half Moon Bar Lodge being threatened, being threatened by fire, is that I know. that there are certain people festooned within the federal system that would just as soon all of you people, all of you folks that have any kind of property on the wild and scenics river be burned out. Isn't that the case? I mean, honestly, there are environmentalists within that system

that would be delighted to see you all burned out. Am I unfair by characterizing it that way? And I think that years ago it used to be the idea of the Forest Service, as well. And the blossom fire, when I called the fire in, I was told by the Gold Beach Fire District, Roke, Susky Forest, that they just, their policy is to let it burn, and they were going to let all the lodges burn up. So I got a hold of Greg Walden. He still handedly saved the lodge back then 10 years ago. But you know, there's a part of me would say, how dare you, as an official say, oh, we're just going to let it burn. We're just going to, you know.

This forest service is different now. The first call I made was to Merv, George, who's now the head of all the fires on the West Coast, and he called Molly, who's the head of the Rokesiske Siskie Forest, and she's been a doll. She calls me back three times a day. She does whatever she can do to get her people there. We have 100 firefighters on the property. We feed and take care of. We both watch to them. Of course, she canceled all of our business a few months that we have to have business, but the Forest Service, you know, I mean, they're heroes. I mean, they're fighting fires. We had fire come right up, right up. to us. I mean, it's really a miracle that they still exist.

Was it a dry summer? Because I know I think of the, you know, the coast being relatively, you know, humid over the summer, but I, maybe not this time around. What was it like for you there at Paradise? No, it was, it was dry, and it was lightning strikes. And there's much more than one fire. Like on the Roker quarter, there's probably 12 fires. So there's fires going everywhere. It was the one night of lightning. It started all the fires. When it first came up, and there was an acre, I called them, and I said, this is a unique fire. It's a quarter of a mile from the unlimited river. All you need is three helicopters, and it'll be out with that in the day. Well, they couldn't get it together enough to get the three helicopters there. If we would have

had three helicopters on site that day, the fire would have been put out right then. John, if there was ever to have, God forbid, something like that happened to the lodges that are on the river right now. Does the Forest Service permit rebuilds, or is it one of those things kind of like how the Jay Leno law in California that I was talking about with California, if Jay Leno, hey, the car's too old, sorry, you're just not allowed to have it on the road anymore. You can rebuild, you can rebuild, but no one would. I mean, it's so expensive to bill down there. Oh. I mean, I work on it as a labor of love. It isn't like you can do it as a business.

Yeah, it's not like you get rich running a lodge down on that wild and scenic section, right? You just don't. You do it for love. Yeah, okay. In life for love or money. It's a hobby, right? It's your hobby. Okay.

I am so... Really good news. It's still great news, and take the win, and let's pray that. that the fire stays away and that we don't get that 20% of a possibility of the fire kicking up again and that the firefighters end up. Now, you have 100 of them there right now, 100 of them right now? I do. I do.

Okay. All the best to you, John, and thanks with the report there from Paradise, okay? Be well. Thank you. John Schlining, owner of Paradise Lodge. And just an amazing story that I was reading about this, Representative Court Boyce was talking about it and say, oh, man, it's looking bad like this is going to get burned down and burned out.

And like I'd mentioned before, there are some folks, not necessarily the folks in charge now, thank goodness, that they don't want those people there. Oh, how dare you be on our river? It's the environmentalist river. It's not the people's river. You shouldn't be able to see, well, you should be able to see the river on a PBS documentary. That's the best way for you to see it. I'm being just more than a little sarcastic. This is the Bill Meyer's show.

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I'm glad you're here, and David's wanted to talk about that story that I mentioned earlier, that it just never has made sense to me, but it's stuck in my head. Dave, you wanted to talk about the subway or the light rain or the light rail stabbing in North Carolina, right? Well, yeah, Bill, what a happy morning. You know, look at what we've talked about just over the past half hour. the limit tick who's been arrested 14 times and yet who's out there to completely slaughter a woman on public transit while people sit around and watch and while the media and the Democratic Party ignore it okay and then your next story which i i think some people might think this is a stretch

i think it's related we have like you said you have people within our government within the forest service we just just let these fires burn burn everybody out burn down our timber resources for some sort of twisted environmental, you know, whatever, I don't know. Well, but also, I think, to keep people off the area, because if the lodges are gone from the scenic, Wild River, that's all fine because it's going back to a pre-white-man settlement kind of feel. I mean, that's kind of this religion that's coming through. You know, and you wonder why Trump is as popular.

We need to rid all these people out, Bill. we do because we have a problem in america right now i think everybody knows it and it's a twofold problem we have a spiritual problem where people just lost their souls when you can sit on a train and watch a woman be slaughtered while you while you play in your phone that's messed up okay when you when you're four out letting let me um yeah yeah i'm losing your phone i'm sorry i just lost a bit of your phone call there dave could you can you repeat that again it sounds like you were going to make a very key point. Well, yeah, just look at what's happened with fires on the West Coast just over the last

10 to 20 years. Okay, millions and millions of acres because of some twisted environmental policy or police, you know, we've lost our souls. Okay, yeah, I'm losing your cell a little bit, but your point is well taken. You know, thank you for the call, Dave. You know, a question I'd like to pose to you is that if you, chances are you've probably seen the video by this time. It was difficult to watch, and I was watching it,

and I was getting very depressed about it. And as badly as it bothered me to see the thug do the stabbing of the Ukrainian refugee, and that was bad enough. But it was the non-reaction of everybody else. It's like, oh, okay. Now, I want to be fair about this, if you saw the video, and you've seen the accounts of this do you think that all of the

of the people who happened to be black they were on the train as this thug ended up murdering this young woman is there a possibility they already sensed how violent this guy was and hey

I'm not going to you know to get involved in this because he's going to take that knife and come after me. Maybe that doesn't work, though. We can talk about that other things on your mind here, too. But that's something I was kind of wondering. I want to be fair about it.

I mean, it's easy to say when we're looking at the security cam video and we're going like, oh, yeah, I would have stepped in? It's like, would you step in? I mean, would we have stepped in? You can die as quickly from a knife wound, just like she did. just bringing it up okay uh 7705 633 we can discuss that brother brad's here brad you're bringing up a great article we were both reading this on the lamud week from the other day how you doing this morning welcome brother bill good morning hey real quick i got to tell you i i have been at john

schlinings paradise lodge if you haven't been there go there while it's still there you cannot believe how gorgeous it is and the food is fantastic so i got to get a plug in for our friend john real quick. Yeah, and I'm just so glad that John is all blessed and things are going so well there right now, because it was looking real bad a couple of days ago. Oh, it was. So, Bill, what you and I are talking about is a report that just came out by one of the planning leaders in the state of Oregon. His name is John Topogna. Now, I may be mispronounounouncing his last name, it might be Topanya, but John, John is the former president of Eco Northwest. Eco Northwest is the premier planning group in the state of Oregon. So if you have a city and if you're trying to establish

what your urban growth boundary are or what your current planning density is or any of those things, you're going to go to Equal Northwest and you're going to hire them to do a report. So this is somebody whose opinion pulls a lot of weight in the state of Oregon. And his article is entitled Oregon's growth is over. This is a statement by probably the premier planning influencer in the state of Oregon saying Oregon's growth is over and we should pay attention. And I wanted to touch on this article. It is a great article. By the way, it was put out by the Oregon Journalism Project.

I want to make sure people understand where this ended up coming from. You'll see some stories that come out. Willie Week or Willey Week actually does a pretty good job on a lot of their stories, in my opinion. And they actually asked John, what of the findings was most surprising to him about what was going on in Oregon? And I'm going to share a little bit from this story. Brad. He says, for me, the overarching story here is that the Tom McCall era is over. We are used to

population flowing into Oregon in large numbers. That's finished in part because of slowing in migration and because Oregonians are dying faster than they are being born. And they also asked him what else surprised him. And I know that you would agree with this one, Brad. We've discussed this. And he says, just how rapidly our school performance has collapsed. In the early 2000, Oregon was dead in the middle in terms of the

national test performance and a decade of pretty strong sustained investment brought spending back up close to the U.S. average in budget terms. But now, we are one of the lowest performing, if not the lowest performing state, taking demographics into account.

That was just one of the things that he was really surprised about. And and he was talking about high housing prices and homelessness and I find it interesting because Eco Northwest you and I have talked about how the planners tend to drink from the left wing Kool-Aid, right?

Do you agree with me? Oh, do they ever? Yeah, they do. And so you'd have to say that he's probably a man of the left and has been part of this problem for a while. Would you agree with me on that? my suspicions on something like this,

Eco Northwest? Yeah, I wouldn't say that he's been part of the problem, but he certainly had a front row seat to this whole drama that's been playing out. One of the interesting things about what you mentioned as far as Oregon's pumping educational performance, and he talks about the Tom McCall-Irabean over. Tom McCall was not a native-born Oregonian,

and he was the guy, he was the kind of the guy that lit the fire underneath the ecological push to the left and or even though he was a republican he would he would he was kind of a squish well he's a squish republican really well he was he really wasn't interested in a lot of the thing he was interested in physical responsibility but other than that he'd bling quite quite a bit well again not a native born oregon and he came and he came from the uh the publishing side of things. But getting to what John is talking about in his article is, we have seen, I mean, in the article it actually describes K through 12 schools as lousy. This is the word that this man

uses to describe Oregon K through 12 schools, lousy. And our performance has plummeted. You've heard me mentioned before, you know, when I was a kid going to school here in Oregon, and I've confirmed this with other Oregonians, you know, that are still around. We had great schools in the 50s and 60s and even into the 70s when Oregon school districts, you know, ran their own curriculums and did all the hiring and firing and all that. Oregon, our SAT scores were always right at the top, and now we're right at the bottom. And all of this is policy driven, Bill. this isn't, I think one of the conclusions that you can draw from this is, this isn't about how much money you spend. A lot of the outcomes that we're dealing with now are driven by

bad policy that has been adopted over the last 30 to 40 years. Well, it's by bad ideology controlling education and the fads. I appreciate the call. It is a great article, well worth reading. In fact, I think I would have post a link to that on my blog today. Okay, really good. Thank you, Bill. Okay. Thank you, brother, Brad. 7705-633. Let me grab another call here. Good morning. Hi, who's this? Welcome. Yeah, Bill. John and Medford. John, what's on your mind, huh? This poor girl that got stabbed to death.

But, you know, Bill, it's called situational awareness, and I want others to learn from her mistakes. How so? There is, Jesus commanded us to watch and pray, and what that means is to be in a present moment's state of awareness of what's going on inside of you and outside of you. So this poor girl, she actually sits in front, you know, of this hooded thug and then buries herself in music and focusing on her phone. Situational awareness, right? And there's, I came across something where this guy told his sister that there were foreign materials planted in his brain, and then he claimed that she was reading his mind. So we had to come to grips

with mental illness and probably even demon possession in this case, right? And the woke authorities that allow this type of person to go free to kill and destroy again. I'm fully convinced of that innocent girl, she was naive, but that innocent girl, if she would have just picked a seat where they're back to the wall and not buried her face in that phone. I see it all the time with people crossing in front of me in a crosswalk buried into the phone, texting right in front of me parked at a traffic light. You know something else that I also see often, John, and I see it here in Southern Oregon. I'll see people who are jogging, and they're out jogging,

and they are completely plugged in and isolated with headphones. And I'm thinking to myself, you know, you could be on a on a trail someplace and you're out there and you're listening to your playlist on your iPhone, you know, whatever the case might be. And you're not even talking about like maybe you're having it in one ear. I mean, we're having people that completely isolate themselves from everything going around them as they're running around doing other things. And what instant prey you could be with that kind of behavior with bad actors like that thug on the train. Yeah, there was a student that was, I guess, run over in a crosswalk near SOU some years ago. And I'm absolutely convinced that person had their face buried in their phone and couldn't see the car coming. Another car that was distracted by maybe their face buried in their phone.

So the other thing about this is that when you're scanning your surroundings and you're scanning for threat, this guy would have been in intimidated, even by this young Ukrainian girl, by her, like, making eye contact with him. Like, I know what you're, and I can see you. I acknowledge you, right? That kind of thing. Exactly. You can't sneak up on me, that sort of thing. Because what's inside of that thug is weaker than her consciousness should have been. And that's where that guy would have gone to a weaker victim. Appreciate the call. Thank you for that, John. KMED. This is the Bill Myers show. Good morning. Hi, who's this? Hello, this is Mark.

Hi, Mark. I know this is straight up common sense, but if people were allowed to actually arm themselves, then other people would get involved. But if you have a guy with a knife and you don't have anything, it's kind of a big risk. That was kind of what I was. getting at to and I'm trying to be fair about this about the way the rest of the I mean it's one thing to say that yeah you would get involved now if you're you know if you have two or three big strapping guys here that can handle themselves and and you saw the thug doing something I could see that maybe those other women that were on the you know on the train would look at that and just go hey man I don't want to be the next victim I'm just talking about how it really

plays out with the law of the jungle going on around you in that train. Well, yeah, but people are afraid to get involved because the system hasn't got any common sense anymore. Yeah, well, the Daniel Penny situation in New York, right? Exactly. When I was younger, I did something dumb three times. Okay? I was younger and a lot stronger. But I stopped in the middle of flipping street and downtown metric with my entire family in the car.

And I got out and stopped a guy who was beaten on a woman. I did that three times. Now, did I take a risk? Yeah. But when a guy's beating a woman down on the street, I can't drive by and let it happen. You couldn't just ignore it. You couldn't just not see it. I could not ignore it.

So, you know, it has nothing to do with, what it has to do more with is honor. You can't walk by something like that if you're a real man. I'm sorry. I agree with you. I agree with you, and I appreciate your point of view on that. I would like to think, and I imagine a lot of other people listening this morning, would like to think that they would have done something, even if it's trying to distract the guy or do something.

But the other thing, though, is that so few people bother to try to help the woman, though. Helping after the fact is something. That did bother me, didn't it? Because the courts have screwed up the system. They're afraid to get involved. keep my people get hammered by the court appreciate the call yeah thanks for making that mark

7705633 if you wanted to join here here too now there's a case that we're going to be talking about in about 10 12 minutes I invited Kevin Sterrett to come on and it has to do with a sentencing for someone who is essentially a walking talking felony machine here

in Southern Oregon, he got sentenced on Monday to a very light sentence. And this is the guy that stole the vehicle, stole the truck, smashed into the armory, the gun store in Grands Pass, Oregon, stole a bunch of guns. And the guy had like 14 felonies in his past. And it was a very, very light touch. So we're kind of seeing this lack of taking it seriously. But anyway, we'll talk to Kevin about this because we're both fans of people who commit gun crimes or any crime for that matter of serious punishment when serious stuff is going on. And I don't think that happened in federal court on Monday.

We'll talk about that coming up.