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Episode Date: September 11, 2025

Kevin Starrett from Oregon Firearms - we discuss the sentencing of the GP gun store thief...was justice done? The interesting decay of judicial competency on display? Open phones and emails of the day, too.

The Bill Myers Show podcast is sponsored by Klausur drilling. They've been leading the way in southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausor drilling.com. Chris is here, though, in Medford. Hello, Chris. What's on your mind today about the train stabbing in Charlotte? Go ahead. Well, I'm a short, chubby little 60-year-old lady.

I would not have been able to intervene and be any health. I would have died with her. And that's why I wanted to be fair about what we would expect the crowd to do in reaction. Absolutely. But I would have rendered assistance as soon as I was able to. The fact that she, everybody knew that she'd been stabbed and nobody moved. Nobody moved to help her just breaks my heart. I don't know if it would have been the situation where it would have made a difference,

but good gravy, at least to comfort her in that moment? This is an uncomfortable question. I'm just going to ask it. I'm just going to touch the third rail with you here, okay? Okay. Do you think that they didn't render aid because, and I'm asking you to get in the minds of what you saw, okay? Do you think they didn't aid her because of fear,

or maybe just trying to, like, hope it goes away, or could have been because she's white? I hate to say it, but I got to at least raise the question. No, I believe that's the fact that it was a bunch of young black men sitting on the train, and I don't, I can't begin to explain the mindset, but yes, I do believe the fact that it was a white lady sitting on the train that it was the reason that nobody did anything um and it's and it's heartbreaking yeah if that's what we don't know but we don't know you're right but but of course you know you you look at that and you can't help but notice the racial dynamic playing out you can't help it right appreciate the call 7705 633 i'll take one more

before news here. Good morning here. Make sure to get my buttons right here. Good, you mind her, Dave again. Oh, yeah, Dave, go ahead. I was in my 20s, but when I was in my 20s, I was at a friend's house, and a girl and her boyfriend went out, and he started beating on her and stomping him with their heavy boots.

And I told him, I think she's had enough, and he went to hit me. I grabbed him by the arm, and I threw him into a wall, and then I sat on. him. And then, of course, he ended up with a bunch of splinters in his face and ran off. We called the police. They took our statements, and they told me I'd be cleared of any assault. Now, I'm 65 years old. Yeah. Now, of course, was there, was there, and hold on, Dave, was there a risk of you being busted for assault at that point for having defended? No, this is back in the 80s. Okay. No, no, but they went out of their way saying, I get the right thing.

Appreciate the call. I wonder how many police officers or how many courts would look at that as having you, as saying you did the right thing today. I would hope that they would, but I don't know. Well, you know, I'm 65. I don't know that I'd do it now. Oh, yeah, now. I get that.

There's, you know, the same physicality at 65 is not the same as 40, it's 25 or 30, you know, that kind of thing. I was in my early 20s. Yep. Yep. My, how the years have flown, right, Dave? Right. Okay. I ain't as good as I once was.

The old Toby Keith song. I always think that is one of my favorite Toby Keith songs because anyone with a few years on you, it's like, Dave, hey, give me a hand over here across the, in the bar fight. Okay. I'm as good as I once was. I'm good once as I ever was, I guess. KMED, KMED, EG, Medford, KBXG grants pass.

I think I forgot the KMEDD HD1, Eagle Point, Medford. There we go, KBXG Grants Pass. Town Hall News is coming up, and they're going to dig into how a local gun crime ended up being, well, prosecuted, and sentenced, and it looked pretty darn light to me, a light touch, and I don't know if that makes sense or not.

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Find out more about them at Klausurdrilling.com. Quarter after eight, Kevin Sterrett is standing by. We'll talk with him in just a minute. about a little local crime story and some other stories that we wanted to delve in. But it comes to the court in gun crime, all right? Right now, Doug, you wanted to talk a little bit about marijuana money, I guess, if I recall, right? Well, this is what happened a couple years ago. My son worked for UPS.

And several years ago, there was an investigator came in from back east, you know, because these folks that are growing this stuff, they're shipping, shipping it illegally to different states where it's not legal to have marijuana. So this investigator came in to the local UPS stores looking for a video of an individual that mailed some stuff back to South the Carolina or wherever at the UPS stores. And they have to scan those packages, but they do it later in the afternoon sometimes when they don't have time to scan it. Well, this package was mailed here in Medford.

It went back to some state back east, the driver, the UPS driver, and this made several stops from Medford to get to Tennessee, Carolina, wherever it was. But when that driver delivered that package to probably a random industrial site, gave the package to that person, he says, okay, I'll be back out in a minute. He went away for a minute. He came back out, and he shot the driver dead because the marijuana was not in that package, and he thought the driver did it. Really?

I don't heard that story. Well, obviously, it wasn't out on the news, but my son was told us. This is what happens sometimes, and how many times it's happened? I don't know. Yeah, I imagine, yeah, if you're waiting for it, yeah. So, obviously, the driver took it, okay, yeah. Well, they thought the driver took it, but it had several stops from Medford, but the ramifications of legalizing this and selling it, you know, look what happened to that driver.

Well, you know the way, though, that Oregon would tend to look at this crime, though? You understand this, Doug, is that, well, the problem is that, no, Oregon is very clean. Everything about our government is very clean, even if we do have, you know, 100,200,000 more voters on the voting role than, you know, that actually exists. But we'll set that aside here at the moment. But the problem is not that we can grow weed and send it out on UPS or FedEx or whatever. The problem is that the other states that still haven't become enlightened enough to decriminalize this. And that creates the black market.

We're not doing that. It's the other states. They haven't seen the light. Sure. Just a terrible ramifications of what happened to that driver, and how many times did that happen? Well, so they were in here looking to the video of who mailed that from a UPS hub in Medford back to there, because they were trying to, you know, connect the dots. Yeah, connect the dots.

So they could conceivably, who did you mail that to in Tennessee? Because, you know, that package you shipped didn't have the marijuana in it that it was supposed to. I mean, you know, the guy probably sent $20,000 to Medford to this guy. Hey, mail me this. And he didn't get what he wanted in Tennessee, so he shot the driver. Well, just remember, though, decriminalization has dropped crime overall, unless you're the UPS driver to get shot for not having the plot delivered. All right.

Appreciate the story. Wow. Interesting. 20 minutes after 8. Kevin Sterard joins me now from Oregon Firearms Federation. Now, we're not talking about that particular gun crime, but, by the way, Kevin, could we just get ourselves declared as an NGO so that, you know, Medford City Council could give us some grants? Do you have any grants coming your way with pot money? We get a couple of million from the state.

Oh, yeah, yeah. We could get a couple of million from the state to open up a drug house in or ganghouse in Lake Oswego where people have their hands drilled with electric drills. and I think the company that, the NGO that opened that place got a million and a half, two million bucks, and now has disappeared, and that all money came from the Oregon Health Authority. Yeah, that's right. That story kind of disappeared. Have you noticed that? That story just kind of came and just sunk out of sight.

Is it just me? Well, fortunately, you know, there are some alternatives. I mean, the cartel media doesn't want to talk about it. But, you know, if you look at Oregon Roundup, which is an amazing substack from a guy name, Jeff Eager, he's been covering it and investigating a lot. It's like, okay, where did this money come from? It came from us, of course, millions of dollars to a house in Lake Oswego, which is filled with, you know, drug-infested gangbangers who try to murder people.

Yeah, essentially, it was filled with cartel members in the halfway house, so to speak, right? Well, it was, yeah, it was like an Oregon health authority. Okay, now my question for you then is that why didn't the Trump administration drop a hellfire missile on that instead of blowing up the boat out in the middle of the ocean. Hey, give them time. Okay. One thing at a time, Bill. All right.

All right. All right. All right. Well, we can't solve all the world's problems, but I wanted to talk with you about the way gun crime does tend to get punished or not punished in strange ways. By the chance, by chance, did you see the story that I was first talking with you about yesterday about this that I wanted to discuss with you? I have not seen that particular story, no. Okay, all right. I'm going to run this by you, okay?

This was in the Grants Pass Daily Courier the other day, and the headline on it is gun robber who crashed stolen pickup into storefront gets five years. So five years, okay, five years in prison, and the prosecutors had been suggesting eight to nine years. But let me tell you here, this California guy used this stolen pickup truck, ran into the Grants Pass Pass. gun store the armory, good store, by the way. He stole 20 firearms, including a belt-fed machine gun, by the way, which was worth $14,000. And he took off with it, but they caught him

a little while later. So he got five years in prison. His name is Anton Wayne Bayard. A whole bunch of guns, and belt-fed machine gun, the whole thing. But it was recommended 8 to 9, but U.S. District Judge Michael McShane

said that he felt that the defendant was already, and you're going to like this one, Kevin, was already turning his life around, turning his life around since his arrest and sentenced him to five years instead. But this guy has a criminal record going back the last 10 years, felony convictions for car theft, vandalism, alluding, assault, and drugs, according to California, 11 felony convictions. And McChane tells this guy, well, in terms of criminal history,

you're a train wreck. He also killed a woman a few years ago. This was in 2020. Yeah, you're laughing about it. He killed a woman, well, his manslaughter, but still he killed a woman. He struck a 63-year-old woman, killed her, and then he did a hit and run. He ran, and then he elude. And he was sentenced to nine.

Now, he was sentenced to nine years in prison for that, but released early on parole in July of 2023. And that was like one week before he robs the Grants Pass gun store. on top of this. And so he did all of these crimes and they get them and he was tracked down. And in court Monday, this according to the Daily Courier story, the defense argued that Bayard has not had adequate access to rehabilitative programming. But since gaining access had turned over a new life, a new leaf. and I you know

eight to nine years too much to ask what do you think Kevin well first of all it's very heartwarming for me to know that he's you know

found him a new pat and by the way Judge McShane also said in the story that you remind me of my son wow you definitely want to keep away from this guy's son But the five, you know, five years in prison is not a pleasant thing, but he will not spend five years in prison.

Oh, yeah? You know, who knows how long he will spend? He will spend a very, very short amount of time in prison. And this, I think, speaks to one of the fundamental problems that I frankly don't know anyone has a great answer to. And that is judges who have virtually unlimited power to destroy people's lives with no accountability. So what do we do, you know, granted, we keep elect electing terrible people over and over again, but at least we're given that option. And we have chosen to elect bad people. Yeah, we'll do this. Well, we've chosen to elect bad people, but every now and then there's a little crack in the wall.

We get somebody in there that's decent. But at least those people, there is theoretically some accountability for their behavior. There's no accountability for judges' behavior. And when you look at decisions that have been made in cases, you know, across the country, country, they are so erratic and so not uniform. And in so many cases, just flat out nuts. The judges, you know, I don't think any rational person believes that there's a judge out there at all whose does not come to the job with biases on both sides of the political aisle. Sure. But some of them are absolutely outrageous and insane. I mean, I've dealt with this myself with a judge who declared that when my organization was sued, we were not allowed.

to defend ourselves in court. That was what the judge said. The judge said, you are not allowed to defend yourself. Wait a minute. There's a lawyer I know alive who can point to a legal principle that says that that's true. And so what do we do about that? What do we do about, I mean, and then this is at the highest levels, of course. I mean, we have a Supreme Court justice who says she does not know what a woman is, all right? And we see this over and over. That's true. way, they're all coming from the same schools now that I think about that. They all come from the same schools. They're all activists. And in many cases, some of the stuff they come up with is just flat out nuts. I mean, some things that you say, I mean, you know, we obviously have a lot

of expensive lawsuits that we've been involved in. I know our federal lawsuit against Measure 114. We had a federal judge, you know, a woman from Brooklyn, who completely turned all the judicial principles on their head and forced our side to do things that the Supreme Court has specifically prohibited. So what do you do about that? Well, I mean, people will say, well, there's always an appeals process. Well, okay. But it's still filled with the same kind of people that caused the same problem, right? Yeah, I mean, so we have a judge on the Oregon appeals court who has said in a decision that gun owners are racist anti-Semites. Like, all gun owners are racist anti-Semite.

It would seem to me that person should be recused or bounced out of any firearms case just on that basis. In fact, he was not, you know, when the Measure 114 case went to the Oregon Appeals for it, which was the state case, not our federal case, there was a request made to recuse him, and they refused that. And look, we saw the same thing, you know, I think I sent you that story about Al Woodbridge, but we saw the same thing here. Oregon, when Mike Strickland was arrested. And Mike Strickland, the reporter who was beaten, didn't he have like an arm broken in an attack? Well, right? He was, it never armed broken that attack. He'd had an arm broken in a previous attack where the attacker was videotaped, trying to run him over.

Everybody knew who it was, and the Clackamas County DA refused to prosecute him. It was this. Oh, and that's right. And Strickland, yeah, Strickland got in trouble. because he pulled his concealed carry firearm when the mob was coming to him, right? Black Lives Matter protest, right? The sergeant of the squad who arrested him told me personally that he would have done the exact same thing that Strickland did. Strickland got convicted of 15 felonies in a court case that was, I mean, and, and you know, you say, well, they didn't have a jury.

It was a, it was a bench trial because the jury pool, almost everybody in the jury. pool, some of the people the jury pool were at the riot as participants. And so when you have a judicial system that is totally corrupted and totally politicized, you know, where do you turn then? And I don't know, because, I mean, it seems to me that there should be a process for eliminating, I believe there is a process for recalling judges. But it shouldn't be that complicated. when you think about how much your entire life and future and family are completely in the hands of someone who might be stone coal crazy, you know? Or certainly with a lack of judgment. I want to take it back then to the gun criminal that, you know, the Daily Courier was writing about the other day here.

And I want to share with this. And if this would maybe a swage, because I'm looking at five years when the prosecutors are saying, eight to nine years at least, is what they're saying, right? And the defendant's lawyer says, he really is committed to doing better with his life, noting that the defense was seeking a sentence of 18 months in prison. Since being transferred to the Jackson County Jail, Bayard has earned 44 certificates and completed a 90-day treatment plan with a jail counselor, according to a sentencing memo filed by the defense.

44 certificates. Oh, okay, so you, so in other words, you can fake up good behavior while you're in awaiting sentencing, I think is what this means, right? I don't know what a certificate from jail is. Well, whatever. Is it like a gold star for attendance? Yeah, and so McShane said he recognized Bayard may have experienced traumatic events in his childhood that affected his adulthood. I do think you have a good heart and you are capable of change, he told the defendant.

The judge likened Bayer to his adopted son who had gone through traumatic events in childhood and made a lot of stupid, reckless decisions eventually straightening out at about the age of 28. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt. Wow. Okay, now, they weren't willing to do that with Strickland, up in Portland, right. Yeah, up in Portland, because he was just a stone called a felon needed to go to jail for 50 years or whatever the case might be.

But this guy will be, in addition to the prison time, so five years, and then three years of supervised release. What do you think he does? Maybe two or three before he's put out? Yeah. And you know, the thing is that I have dealt in all the years that I've worked with Oregon firearms. I have dealt with many people who had felony convictions in the past who were looking to move ahead. All of these felonies were things like some kind of credit card fraud or a bad check, stupid things that they did when they were young that they admitted to and were sorry about and really had turned their lives around. This guy killed somebody. You know, I'm sorry, but I don't think that that That's something that should be forgiven. Yeah, you know, even if it's vehicular manslaughter, you're still a problem. And he ran, you know, on top of this.

So he's already demonstrating the character. And I know that, yeah, at some point as we age, we age out of our stupidity, hopefully. You know, you hope so. But I don't think he's there. And yet, you know, the judge is going on in waxing point. I hope the judge doesn't get a hold of that defendant in the North Carolina subway stabbing. You know, no telling what would happen. Yeah, I know you're crazy.

but I know that your heart is with Jesus, so I'm going to have to do something about that. And there's this brain fog that's infected a significant portion of our population where this vicious animal who murdered a woman who would have been safer in Ukraine, and she is on the train in North Carolina, people raising funds on his behalf. You know, it's just like, okay, maybe that's how we wind up in a situation where we have judges who are so twisted and demented and flat-out evil, because we've got a large portion of our population who considers that kind of behavior not only defensible but probably admirable.

So the judges in the judiciary are just reflective of American society at large. Well, they're certainly reflective of the governors who appoint them. And, you know, in Oregon, of course, we have an illusion that we vote for judges, but we don't. You know, and if you look at the makeup of most of the courts in Oregon now, now that we've had our second lesbian governor who will point, we are. Well, you know, being a lesbian is a qualification in the state of Oregon for being a governor. Absolutely. You know, that's a box that needs to be checked for a black lesbian. That helps, of course. But the next one will probably be trans.

Well, a trans Eskimo, you know, but left-handed, blind. But, you know, it's gotten to the point where life in many parts of this country is really unsafe because the animals have been released from the cages, and you have been told, under no circumstances, do you defend yourself? And that's what happened to Strickland, and that's what happened to other people. And, you know, and in Strickland, this is a great parallel, because what they were claiming Strickland did was this. gun crime, right? He menaced people because he was being attacked. He drew a firearm. He never put even put a swinger on the trigger. So these are all these gun-related crimes where no one was hurt, and he was clearly the videotaped victim of this mob. Yeah. So it's a total inversion of reality in the court. Exactly. A guy who has already killed someone who has a

lifetime of crime. You know what? Maybe he did have a traumatic childhood, and you know what? Lots of people do. That's right. I'm sorry to hear that. But if you've had a traumatic childhood and you are really, really dangerous to the rest of us, you should be in a cage. I don't believe people get rehabilitated. I wish there was some other way to deal with people who do stupid things. But if you are this dangerous, society is really at risk, and you need to be in a cage. And they're not in cages. They're walking around, not just the criminals, but people who are seriously, mentally ill. And we are told that we have to accept that. If we don't accept it, we're bigots. And on top of that, you know, we are absolutely told

don't you do anything to protect yourself. And now we're seeing this in Portland where a guy got stabbed in front of the library. Interesting, they did a video of this guy. He's a homeless guy, and they did the video. He's wearing a pin on his head. This is dumb Trump. It was very really quite funny. But he gets attacked and stabbed by a couple of young black people. And now the county chair is coming to the defense of the people who stabbed him because they're black. You know, it's insane. It's completely insane. I don't care what color you are.

You don't get to stab somebody. Well, apparently they do in Portland. Apparently in Portland you do. And apparently you can commit lots of gun crimes here in Southern Oregon and steal a pickup and smash the gun store open. And something tells me that if the armory, the owner of the armory gunstores, store had it had been maybe falsifying FFL forms and all the rest of it, they'd probably put him in jail for more than five years.

What do you think? Well, certainly. I imagine had he been on that location at the time and it defended his business, you know, we know what would have happened. But it's absolute insanity. You know, it's an interesting article on Oregon Catalyst today by Larry Haas, who's the basic premise of his article was, you know, he was discouraging Trump from sending National Guard into Portland because the short

version is let it burn people deserve it you know Kevin I tell you let me grab a quick break here and then we'll regroup and yeah we're talking about this this amazing story not only of the gun crime in grants pass that got adjudicated Monday and it seems

pretty weak to me along with some other things too Kevin Starr at Oregon Firearms Federation 7705633 Would you hire a con The Bill Myers Show is on. News Talk 1063, KMED. Yeah, the case we were talking about Judge McShane and Anton Bayer the other day. It's really something in the courier here. McShane said it was encouraging to see that Bayard's family had not given up on him, Kevin Sterrett,

and also attended court virtually to speak on his behalf. In addition to prison time, Bayard will live. serve three years of supervised release, and McShane requested that Bayard report to the court monthly and occasionally write to Judge McShane with life updates. Oh, isn't that sweet? Will the crayons be provided? I don't know. Bayard says, I have faith that in the time I'm given, I will use it to get better and

recover. Representatives for the gun store were not in court. is what they've added here. Let me translate that for you. They said in the time I have, I plan to increase the complexity of my crime so there's lower chance of getting caught. Oh, there we go. There we go.

All right. Well, we'll just find out. And maybe he will prove everybody wrong. It just seems like it's a strange time to provide, you know, a light sentence for people for someone who has been in and out of jail so often and run away from crimes so often over the years. But that's just me. What do I know, Kevin? What do you know for that matter? All right. Less and less. Okay. Let me go to Doug. Doug, you wanted to comment on, I guess it's on topic, right? Go ahead. Well, I was just talking about, now what Salem doesn't talk about, another ramifications when they legalize

their marijuana here, how much does it cost to send out these armed task force with groans to bust all illegal grows and put these individuals in danger, busting these illegal grows. How much does that cost the taxpayers? They don't talk about that. Kevin, do we have any idea how much the state spends on this? I don't know if we can address that. I know a couple of years ago, the legislature, with the full support of the Republicans, earmarked $6 million to address the drug problem in Southern Oregon. And the money was restricted. It could only be spent, I'm not making this up, It could only be spent for lawyers and hotel rooms for the workers of the illegal grows. I remember that. Yes. Okay. Yes. Okay. And when you look at this and say, okay, this doesn't, you know, I'm sure Herman Barcher would have a lot to say about this. But when you look at this and you, you know, you cock your head to the side like a confused puppy and say, how could this be? Then when you look at the very well-publicized reality that drug dealers in Oregon bring bags full of cash.

to democratic legislators. Yes, the Lomota, the Lomota situation, right? Yeah, then things become infinitely more clear. All right, well, that's good. Ultimately, that's what it all comes down to is who's greasing you. It's a wonderful time. Hey, Logan, you actually have a firearms issue coming up before the Medford City Council here, and Kevin Sterrett is on. Good morning.

Yeah, I guess according to our city recorder, we haven't had a hearing like this in so many years, but it's either going to be later this month or next month, depending if my attorney can't get it dealt with first. But when the police came and seized one of my wife's firearms, they're refusing me to give it back to her now at this point, and they're citing some sort of case law about some guy who lived in his trailer as a felon with his wife. It's just really sad that even stuff like this can go on in Medford. You know, my wife's maybe five foot five, a small Filipino, and if I'm gone or out of the house or traveling, she should have the right to protect herself. So even in Medford, stuff like this goes on.

So, Kevin, I just want to be clear about this. So they went and seized your, I'm sorry, Logan, rather. They seized your wife's firearm because of what, your status? Is that what's going on? That's correct. Yeah, when I ran for mayor, the city of Medford filed an emergency protection order act against me. Oh.

And Cayman actually tries to seize everything. but fortunately for me, I was alerted they were coming. And needless to say, when they opened my bolts in my garage, all that was there was a piece of paper. Okay. Now, are you considered, are you legally a felon, though? No, no, never been a felon. Is your wife a felon?

No. Then why is the city of Medford keeping your wife's firearm? Because they can. Is that common, Kevin? Do you know? I don't know. was this an extreme risk protection order issue? Yes, but it's since it's been lapsed and they're still holding on to it.

Is it common for police to seize firearms and not give them back when they're supposed to? Yes, that's very common. That's very common for firearms to wind up in some cop's basement. It happens. I mean, I know of a case of a friend of mine whose firearm was seized after he was attacked on the street. he drew a firearm he was a charge with a crime he was acquitted of everything and the police and he you almost always have to go get a lawyer to get your property back so it's absurd but it happens all the time so do you have an attorney that's going to help you with this one logan

i do i finally bit the bullet and instead of a public pretender i got a real attorney and it looks like things, it's all about money. Yep. All right. Yeah, it's unfortunate, but you know, thanks, thanks, Kevin, for what you do. All right. Thank you.

You know, justice always costs a dollar more than you have. You know, that's how it works. Yeah, or indeed. You know, we didn't even have time to go into that big Al Woodbridge story. We'll have to do that another time because what is kind of clear here, though, is that trying to, you know, we don't really vote for our judges, and the judges, which get appointed from all appearance, especially after our conversation of the last few minutes, could arguably be considered not too trustworthy, at least in their judgment? That's all I can say.

You know, the bios of most judges are available on the judicial website. And when you look at these bios, you start to see a pattern that people are appointed to these positions because they are philosophically or politically aligned with the governors who appoint them. And in some cases, you know, we have judges. Their entire history has been, you know, a far-left activism, you know, lesbian organizations, things like that. I don't believe that a person does not have the ability to be a unbiased judge because they're gay. But I don't think they should be appointed because of that. And when you start looking at how this is done, it's, it is, you know, these are political appointments, their payoffs, and they rarely have much to do with the, you know, with the quality

or the qualifications of the people who were there. And once again, the real danger is the almost unlimited power these people have over your life to reach decisions that, you know, the only way you can combat it is to be extremely wealthy. And most of the people they go after are not extremely wealthy. I don't know, Judge McShane, all right? But just from what I've shared from this story, you know, with you, Do you believe that justice was done in this particular case? I mean, not necessarily hang it.

I mean, I like to think that people can change, too. I don't want to be just a total licksbiddle of, you know, hang them, you know, like a hanging judge either. I'm not there. What does your gut tell you on something like this? I am very much a believer that people can turn their lives around. In fact, I spent a considerable amount of time having the law changed in order. Oregon so that people who had felony convictions had a path to have their firearms rights restored, something that was a huge fight that the Republicans overturned a year later because

people do change. But that's after you did one or two stupid things, not after you have a lifetime of crime, which includes killing people. You know, at that point, I would say, yes, the die is cast here, and this person should not be out on the street. And this whole idea that in this this amount of time, the judges figured out because the guy got a couple of gold stars in the joint that he's turned his life around, that to me is very, very chilling. And I do consider it patently absurd. Well, I was looking at that way, too. Kevin, I appreciate you coming on. Always interesting conversation as we noodle around guns, crimes, judges, all the rest of it. We'll have to talk about Big Al Woodbridge's story at another time. And I read that

story and it's amazing what can happen when you have corrupt police in combination with shall we see a compliant court would that be a good way of putting it i would say that for sure all right thank you my friend we'll have you back on thank you bill kevin stare at oregon firearms federation oregon firearms dot oarge from the km ed news center here's what's going on a gold hillman was 787 nine before nine a gold and silver at uh record prices right now. 3650 is where a gold is at the last time I checked here a few minutes ago. Silver over 41 people piling into this one. It's about a lack of trust in the system. I think some of this and the debt. I think people are looking at the Western welfare states and thinking,

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And by the way, it's on Freeman Way right next to the Mazelan Mexican restaurant. If you don't have dental insurance, they have a dental plan there, works a lot like insurance, very modestly priced, better benefits too. You might check it out, Central Point Family Dentistry.com. We were talking about the case of the gun robber that smashed into the Grand Spass Gun Store a little while back, got five years, five years. Judge just seems to be, I don't know, not necessarily a bromance going on, but it does seem odd that. after 11 felonies in one manslaughter death, vehicular manslaughter death, and running from the cops and everything else. But five years. And the prosecutors who may not necessarily be the toughest around and asked for eight to nine.

And Granny says, hey, Bill, you know, a sociopath can be charming. Judge is stupid. All right. Granny, I appreciate the opinion. Betty writes me this morning. Bill, what crazy Jean was talking about? That was a Hearst Shifter. It might have been called B.

Hydro is used on gassers at the drag strip. Lots of them on the track back in the day. Betty, I appreciate your writing. Hans Albuquerque on the Redswood fire or the Redwoods fire. Bill, the garnet fire is burning through a grove of giant sequoias in the Sierra's. So what do wildland crews do to protect the trees? Why, they rake and remove brush from around them. Hello?

Calling ODF in Oregon. Another example of Captain Bill Simpson's truth behind a wild horse brigade on line one hans i appreciate your writing dug ends up kicking in this morning we were talking about cheat grass uh cheat grass pardon me cheat grass and it's um invasive species you know it's the fox tales around there says hey bill grew up in Idaho Utah Colorado cheat grass the bane of so many of our lowlands and foothills nice and green in the early spring but browning off in May now you think those fox tales are bad on you? your socks, the cheek grass lawn, seed, or fox tail part, is a weapon of mass destruction

for animals. The needle-sharp point of the on and the one-way barbs of the foxdale allow them to penetrate tissues and travel throughout the body. I've seen longer-haired dogs have cheek grass-ons penetrate their skin and work their way deep into the chest cavity. Those cheek grass-ons will enter and penetrate ear canal, skin folds, enter digital spaces between the toes. Oh, my gosh. As Captain Bill said, the grazing four-stomachungle-at cutchewers will masticate cheatgrass, grinding them into mush where they eat them. But cheek grass fox tails will still enter other softer tissue of large animals.

Facial area is a prime portal of entry. Appreciate the take on it. Thanks for letting us know, Doug. That sounds nasty, nasty stuff there, huh? 857.