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Episode Date: September 12, 2025

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The Bill Meyer Show podcast is sponsored by Klausur Drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausurdrilling.com. Here's Bill Meyer. Great having you here today on Find Your Phone Friday. 10 minutes after 6, the number 7705-633, anytime you wish to join in. We will try to make sure we have a bit of phone time here so we can continue to express feelings and kind of talk about where things are going.

But the breaking news a few minutes ago is that President Trump on Fox News ended up announcing that with a high degree of certainty that they do have the suspect in the Charlie Kirk assassination in custody. And apparently a relative, I think, and a minister that knew this young man ended up recognizing him from the pictures that had been released, the video that had been released, and that he had been taken into custody and is. alive. The FBI will be updating pretty soon here on that. They're going to have a press conference on that. And I wanted to share a bit of President Trump from Fox News this morning as he was talking about the top national story that everyone has been discussing here over the last day or so. The American people, they're shaken this morning over Charlie Kirk,

the school shootings that are happening. What do you say to those people that are hurting this morning? Well, I tell politicians, and I have a lot of friends that are Democrats. You know, there are some normal Democrats, too, not too many. But I have some friends, and I've been called by Democrats, everything else. They're equally concerned also. You know, it's them, too. They don't want to go out in a public space and start.

And I say something pretty simply. You got to do it. You got to protect as much, but you've got to do it. I have the advantage of having hundreds of guys around me as president, but they don't have that advantage. They could be a congressman, or they could be looking at. Look at Steve Scalise, a great guy. Look what happened to him. If he didn't have those two very brave people around, you know, he would have been, they would have all been killed. All those congressmen would have been killed.

But you had three of them badly hurt, and Steve was really badly hurt. I really say, I'm a little bit of a fatalist, I guess. I say, got to do your thing. Or get out of the business and go into something else. It's a dangerous business. And frankly, it always has been. President Trump on Fox and Friends this morning. And I also grabbed a clip from the show a little bit earlier in which he was talking about

the differences between the political violence on the left, the political violence on the right. And yeah, he was talking about it is going on in both directions. I don't know if it is actually in this particular part of the clip because I wasn't able to get the recorder going quite in time. I mean, you know, the president just shows up on the show there. But here, I'll let it roll. I had one the other night. I went into a restaurant, and this woman stood up.

I looked at her immediately. She had money. She wasn't, she wasn't, they get paid for it. They're profession from Soros and other people. And we're going to look into Soros, because I think it's a RICO case against him and other people. Because this is more than, like, protest. This is real agitation. This is riots on the street.

And we're going to look into that. What do we do about our country with that? because we have radicals on the right as well. We have radicals on the left. People have gotten or watching all of these videos and cheering. Some people are cheering that Charlie was killed. How do we fix this country?

How do we come back together? I'll tell you something that's going to get me in trouble, but I couldn't care less. The radicals on the right, oftentimes they're radical because they don't want to see crime. They don't want to see crime. Worryed about the border. They're saying, we don't want these people coming in.

We don't want you burning our shopping centers. We don't want you shooting our people in the middle of the street. The radicals on the left are the problem, and they're vicious, and they're horrible, and they're politically savvy, although they want men and women's sports, they want transgender for everyone, they want open borders. The worst thing that happened to this country, because I've already solved inflation, cost it down. Look at energy costs. You're going to have $2 gasoline pretty soon. Not in Oregon. I've solved just about every problem. The worst thing that happened to our country is when we let 25 million people in, many of which, and I say

80% should not be in our country. They emptied their prisons into our country. They emptied their mental institutions insane asylums. You don't know what that is. That's seriously, you know what that is a mental institution on steroids, okay? They emptied out insane asylums, crazy people, into our country by the millions. And it's the single, it's the hardest thing. you have we have a border now that's totally secure nobody came in think of that they actually had asked nobody we used to have millions of people come in nobody came in and we back up the border with the military we've done a great job but the worst thing that happened to our country is to allow millions of people in from jails mental institutions drug dealers right they throw them all

into our country and these stupid people and some of them are stupid in terms of common sense but they're brilliant in other ways. Biden wasn't calling the shots. It was the geniuses that surrounded. Radical left geniuses that surrounded him on the, unfortunately, he used the resolute desk. That's the one I used. I hated that he used it, but he used it.

But they called the shots, and he didn't do anything. Look at what happened. The auto pen signed everything. He wasn't aware of anything that was being signed. President Trump this morning on Fox and Friends. I'm glad that that clip did have it. I did have the recorder going on. in time how he was talking about the differences

in when you look at the radical left versus the radical right or the so-called radical right and that the radical right listen we don't want crime we don't want our neighborhoods turned into crap holes

you know that kind of thing and we want people to be safe we want people to be able to conduct their lives and in order to be able to have your liberty you have to have a reasonable degree of safety you don't go out and about, you know, to be at liberty, really, comes right down to it. And I think, yeah, he was right about that.

I'm just thinking, though, about, there's a term that I had never heard until Kevin Sterrett and I were talking on the phone just off air yesterday. And it's something that I think I'm going to adopt because it really does kind of describe where we are right now in the United States. and what he said, he described the United States as a garden of monsters. And I thought that was such a great, a great term where we find ourselves in these political divisions. And I can't believe what we're here. Well, I can believe what we're hearing from the left, but I don't recall on the right just, you know,

every time everyone's favorite leftist got gunned down that the right was sitting around and cheering. I don't recall that. Or at least not, if you are thinking it, you don't talk about it in public. But here they're thinking about it out loud, and they're doing it all over social media. And that's why I ended up saying on a post yesterday that we have a really interesting garden of monsters. on display via the social media industries out here and people talking about how much they were thrilled that Charlie Kirk was assassinated.

I mean, you know, this really is an example, Garden of Monsters, all these monsters, these people who have lost their humanity, in my opinion. In fact, just a few of them, one of the most famous ones here in the state of Oregon, up in the northern part of the state, there is a Portland City Councilman, a Portland City Councilman.

John Colgan, and he's also a science teacher at Forest Grove Middle School. And I have to tell you, the number of people who seem to be vomiting their guts out over Charlie Kirk's assassination, an amazing number of them in the educational establishment, which makes you wonder, once again, what are your kids doing there, right? What are they being told? But anyway, so John Colgan, this Portland City Councilman, ends up putting out on his social media, hearing that Charlie Kirk got shot and died,

really brightened up, it brightened up my day. Nobody deserves it, but some are asking for it. And then there was an assistant dean of students, I think, over at Middle Tennessee University. I was reading about this. And what this dean said was, looks like old Charlie spoke his fate into existence, hate begets hate

zero sympathy of course you know what hate is defined at with these marxists out there these hard left radicals that there are a whole bunch of them in the society here hate means that something that they

disagree with especially when it comes to the transgender thing you talk about biological determinism that yes men are men and women are women and no it is impossible just to say I bet just because I feel this way they were going to turn you into it and that we're supposed to salute the delusion.

You know, that's what's coming from the left here. That's a lot of what they're talking. I think a lot of this has to do with that agenda, the trans agenda, for sure. And then, Logan Vonn had popped me a screenshot of a woman's post on the Ashland Community Facebook page. And I'm not going to share her name. Now, that post got taken down. I knew it was out there because I went to that Ashland Community Facebook page.

And then you could see that there was still posting up there like, hey, who's in control or moderating this site? There were people complaining about what had been there, and it was taken down. Now, the post was taken down. But this was what was originally up there. This is the quote. As much as it pains me as a mother to say, I'm glad Charlie Cook is gone. His harmful ideas and the extent to which they reached were detrimental to society, to trans women, and to all women. Wow.

Thanks, Mom, as a mother. I wonder if this mother ended up transitioning her kids. I don't know, but yikes. And examples, and I think that was a great term coined by Kevin Starr, and I'm going to give him full credit for it, Garden of Monsters. And that's what we're dealing with right now. But on the good side, FBI is soon going to be giving an update. President Trump says with a great degree of certainty that they believe that the suspect that

that murdered Charlie Kirk has been caught. 770563. This is the Bill Meyer show. You're on KMED. The burgers are so tasty. People have been known to... What are the update you on also the latest political violence stories? And I don't know if this is what happened over at Eagle Point, but they had a bomb threat. They had a bomb threat over at Eagle Point. And the explosive unit, that was this afternoon, yesterday afternoon, should say, R.B. Times reporting that the explosive unit has verified there is no device

in the building, the school working to provide an update to parents at this time. The school is remaining closed until tomorrow, normal school hours, so it will be open today. So we had a bomb threat called in at Rogue Valley Times, not Rogue Valley Times, I'm pardon me, Eagle Point High School. Now, there were bomb threats called in against three Democrat senators in Oregon. That happened yesterday morning. This according to an email that Oregon State Police sent to lawmakers yesterday afternoon, this being reported by Oregon Live. Email threats were false.

The senators are okay. Explosive texts found no bombs at the Senator Holmes. The email from State Police Lieutenant Casey Hedney said Oregon State Police working with FBI and local law enforcement to figure out who sent threats. And Senate Republican leader Daniel Bottom of the Dalles and Democratic Senator James Manning of Eugene both confirmed the threats were said to Manning, Senate President Rob Wagner of Lake Oswego, and Senate Majority Leader Casey Jama of Portland.

And Manning and Jama are two of Oregon's a few black lawmakers. Of course, that had to be mentioned. And that is OregonLive.com. Fortunately, nobody hurt. So there we go. The Garden of Monsters everywhere you look, the Garden of Monsters. But the breaking news, which is of positive, of a positive point of view today, is that with a high degree of certainty, President Trump reporting earlier this morning about an hour ago, with a high degree of certainty, they think they have Charlie Kirk's murderer.

High degree of certainty, at least the suspect, the suspect. So we'll hear more about that as time goes on this morning. Morning, Tom. Welcome. It's on your mind this. Find your phone Friday. I'm glad you're part of the early morning risers club. Thank you. Yeah, something I've thought for many years. I'm going to say something, I've stepped on the toes of both the left and right

because both of them are supporting communist agenda. And that is, and you've touched upon it on your opening statements, but our educational system is a communist system. The 10th plank of the Communist Manifesta says, if you want to communize a country, you've got to take over the education. So we've had government education, forced government education for decades. And because it's part of the state, then you cannot have God in your schools. You have to separate God from states, so the claim is. And so our educational system is raising a bunch of basically,

immoral communist and uh you know i can't i can't disagree with the word you said there tom can't disagree with a word and you know if i find it interesting that uh that christians will say well you know they took god out of the schools uh back in the 1960s and they're right you know we're talking about uh you know supreme court rulings and this and that and the other but what is the root of it is the root that the supreme court uh you know ruled about the you know the separation of church state you're not supposed to have this within the government school no the problem is that there is a government school okay and then it's correct and then and then you have the um supreme court that is saying well it is a government school and hence because uh then falls under

the first amendment and you that you can't push this you can't push this point of view you can't push the good moral view in the government school you got to push the communist view which apparently is what it's morphed into all these years yeah so You know, in the communist thinking, the ins justifies the meets. Now, you know, the push for government education was, we need an educated informed electorate. So to ensure that we're going to pass a law that says, if you don't send your kids to government school, we're going to come and arrest you or put you in prison or whatever. It's basically they kidnap the kids by degree.

and put them in the government schools. And I think that is a huge source of everything that we're seeing, this disintegrating, collapsing society of the country. And what you say, though, probably strikes some people very strangely like, what do you mean? You know, what do you mean you can't have forced government school? They can't even grasp that context, that context, rather, and, or that concept is what I'm trying to say, and people won't know how to read, and people, listen, they don't know how to read right now coming out of the government school.

Exactly, exactly, Bill. And like I said, this steps on the toes of both left and right, because Republicans and Democrats of both pushing real hard for government schools. It's like, as you say yesterday, the fish have no word for water. We're so immersed in communist ideology that neither the right or left can. see it hardly anymore. And they don't really even talk about it because they don't see it. And it's one thing to say, hey, this is great that the Trump administration

will dismantle the Department of Education. Great. Great. Okay, we're getting them out of the state. And we're going to turn it back to the state. Uh-oh. Then when you're in the state of Oregon, which has arguably one of the lowest-rated public school systems in the entire nation, in the entire

country. Turning it over to the state, isn't necessarily a help. Not that I'm saying I would want to be running by the federal government either. Yeah, so I see the solution eventually is to dissolve state education and taken up by neighborhoods. You know, and we live in this age now of technology and the Internet and so forth. I could really see that the classical education that system that exists now just to be abolished. and using high technology and what we have available, there could be neighborhood schools all over the place and homes and so forth.

Absolutely. Pettlement those government. Well, the impediment, there's another impediment, too. We have to be honest with ourselves about this, Tom, and intellectually honest about this, I think we have to admit one of the impediments is that parents today, and I'll admit even yours truly, even me, we have great affection for memories of our government school system of 40. I sure don't.

Well, no, when I'm saying, though, many do, though, 40, 50, 60 years ago. You know, we're talking about the, what was it, Julie Niles Fry, a former high school, or I'm sorry, a school board member here. I think of Roe River is where she had served. She said, parents have this really sunny kind of warm, feeling like, oh, it's the yellow school bus and the kids are getting on it and, you know, it's the rituals, the rituals of public school life, that kind of thing. We're all, you know, getting in there.

And I remember a time in my school in rural Ohio in the 1970s, early 1970s when I moved there as a young child, I knew that I was dealing with some pretty tough teachers who weren't Communists, most of them were World War II, or actually Korean War veterans that I was dealing with at that time. And those are gone. Very interesting. But look what's happened. I mean, the whole idea that the government has the right to kidnap your kids and put them in their indoctrination camps, and you look at that, that really indoctrinate kids and future voters to think that government is the source of, of all good and so forth, and you're not to question, you're not to question this whole ideology.

Well, you also have to remember, though, that government school is there to also cover up the inflation. Because remember, you have to have two people working. Inflation is the fifth plank of the communist. I know the central bank. We could go out for in a couple of hours on that. I don't have time at the moment, Tom. But thank you for being a member of the early morning risers club, because you always bring it. he always brings it i really do appreciate that let me grab another one hi come morning cam ed who's

this welcome hello hello jean how you doing well i'm doing okay i guess okay what's going on uh well there's a couple things i was uh wanting to call in on oh wait except that had too many guests but anyway yeah sometimes it happens it's been a busy week kind of weird But everybody seems to have forgotten the woman that was murdered. And did you see the clip where that guy stood up and was standing there with the knife? I swear, you couldn't see the devil there because he even had a mask on. Well, I'll tell you, I would certainly say the devil was there for sure. No, we had talked about that.

I think we talked about that mostly on Wednesday's show. But I'm right there with you on that. What is your overall takeaway? Well, for one thing, if you go in a car and they're all black, keep going until you find one that's got whites in it. And if you're black... So you're saying then you have to... So you're saying if you have to look then,

there's a racial component to it that you can't ignore. Is that what you're saying, Gene? Yeah, there is. you know it's not uh that's not a politically popular position well i don't care what it's political popular or not all right appreciate the call as always by the way you called me up the other day was at yeah you were asking me about uh what happened to the town hall uh news program on the weekends here yeah things are being shifted around a little bit on the weekends uh we are going to be partnering and going to the Fox News Channel's offerings of weekend programming.

And so there's going to be a little bit of change over here over the next few weeks. But we're going to be getting some Sunday morning and Saturday morning news shows on the program here on KMED to keep us a little better informed with live news stuff on the weekends. Okay. So just bear with me and we'll get that taken care of. Okay. All right. You know, a good song that you could have had on yesterday. What's that?

Daryl Wurley. Do you remember? Do you remember, oh, on 9-11? Yeah. Yeah. Thank you, Gene. Hope you have a great weekend. Good hearing from you, as always.

Let me grab another call before we hit news. I'm running behind for my talk with Dr. Georgiani. But hi, good morning. Who's this? Welcome. Hi, Bill. Hi. Good morning.

Chris. Hi, Chris. Yeah, I talked to you about the same subject of the day. I agree with her. What was your last call? She calls him quite a bit. But it may not be a political, but it's always that way. Like you said, you know, they always trends that way.

So I'll state it birds of feather flock together. All right. Chris, I know. I think the question is going to have to be, though, is why is it that, why is it that so many inner city black Americans seem to be at the top of the of the crime statistics there's no change in them bill i would not move to chicago for a million dollars really no okay all right chris yeah those uh you can't help but i i understand where they're coming from You can't help it notice, though, that when you do see the suspects, there is a high propensity.

And there's been a big pathology in the black family for a long time. Of course, I don't know. What we don't want to talk about, though, is essentially the United States of America replaced the black father with Uncle Sam and social benefits. And I don't think you could ignore that part of it, too. Maybe this was an intentional takedown. Just saying, black family wasn't always that. way folks. 637. This is the Bill Meyer show. Nine days only. It all ends September

6th. Dr. Sal Georgiani Jr., Farm D. Senior Science Advisor to the Men's Health Network, also a past chair, chair emeritus of the American Public Health Association, former Alumni Association board member of Columbia University School of Public Health. In other words, a big medical brain here. And of course, once again, men's health network. It's a national nonprofit. What is your mission over there, Dr. Sal? Great to have you back on the program. Good morning. Always a pleasure to be with you. Well, Men's Health Network's about 30 years old now, I ought to believe, and our mission is to help advocate for policies that help advance the health of boys and men, and also to bring health and wellness information in a way guys can

understand it and motivate them to where they live, work, play, and pray. We have a lot of great information on our website at WWW Men's Health Network. dot org and folks are encouraged to look there are you starting to break through the resistance for men to actually take care of their health and when I bring this up I'm kind of like half joking uh dr. Georgiani in which uh in other words the guy never goes to the doctor unless maybe the limb is missing and the blood is spurting you know what I mean you know that kind of oh I go yeah well uh fortunately we are I think that it was very much forbidden, if you will,

or no political advantage or no societal advantage. You stick up for the health and welfare of boys and men. When I started doing this work about 20 years ago, 22 years ago, with the Men's Health Network, I was involved a little bit in the health of men and boys before. But when I looked at the policy picture, it was very difficult. In fact, you would go to colleagues at the Men's Health Network could go to Capitol Hill to talk with legislators about why they don't build more health

and welfare services into federal legislation, state legislation. You know, until you go back and they deserve what they get, and they don't want to pay attention to their health. Well, that's too bad. They don't have to. And that is not just hyperbole. That is what the words were articulated. So we've seen a bit of a shift now in the past two years, three years, because we're

having an increasing understanding that, well, just from a societal perspective, you can't ignore the health and welfare of half a population. And just from a common sense perspective, we can't increase and make America healthy again by ignoring half the population. So we're seeing some breakthroughs, and we're encouraged by the support that we're now, or at least the fact people are willing to talk with Men's Health Network and other organizations

and involved in the health and welfare boys and men. That makes great sense. And what is your opinion then of RFK Jr.'s battles that he's been in the middle of right now? I know that just huge attacks coming from both left and right on the political scale in those Senate hearings of a few days ago. But something tells me that he must be over the target if there is so much nastiness coming his way.

What are you thinking about that, huh? Well, his goals are laudable. I think looking at how we allocate resources across the spectrum of the federal government, how we look at the underlying reasons why Americans still, despite all our technology as a group, who has the population, have some of the highest health care expenditures in the world, and not exactly but within the developed world, We have some of the lowest health and welfare.

You know, guys also are a particular risk. Men now live six years less than women. They suffer more than four times the amount of suicides that happen in women. And had the 10 leading causes of death in America, men lead in nine of them. So, you know, we have men's health network. We look at this and we say, look, you know, need to reassess these allocations. The Secretary Kennedy is painting with a very large, Some might call it a very large roller paint roller on the landscape, but I do think his focus on whether the underlying reasons that we see so much poor health in nutrition and other domains is very lovable.

We'll see how that plays out. And of course, this is with so many things the devil is in the details. Yeah, I know that he's stepping on some third rails of public health right now with some of the issues. issues surrounding vaccines. These are very powerful interests and a lot of money, a lot of political donations come through these industries. But it does appear that the federal government or the CDC was involved in squashing some reports. I remember there was the one report that talked about when MMR, when a certain vaccine went into young black boys. they had 250%, if I recall correctly, higher rate of autism, and that was squashed by the CDC.

Are you familiar with that? Remember that one? Oh, absolutely, not just anyone in particular, but the body of literature is on both sides of going on. I think the traditional, the more mainstream literature, said, look, you know, there are so many potential causes to autism, and autism is not a pinpoint condition, like when you say someone has cancer, you're not pinpointing anyone thing, you're pinpointing is very broad. So you have the autistic spectrum

and you have individuals who are very high-functioning rocket scientists and multi-billionaire entrepreneurs who have some autism and you have others who are not really functional. So I think, you know, you have to be very precise. And I hope that,

and I encourage HHS CDC NIH, to take a close look at the causes. And my hope is that they'll not just focus on vaccine, because it's just a pinprick. It's one star in this huge constellation of a very complex, broad-based condition. But I also look at the entire list, including environmental factors, preconception, environmental factors that could lead to some genetic disruption, to types of food, ingestion, to drug use and such. I think there are so many things that they need to look at. It's going to be a very complex process.

Hopefully just don't focus on, you know, and easily picked on devil. Oh, yeah, there is no one devil here. But, you know, you think about it. And even just what you mentioned, if you're looking at the broad spectrum of problems that would be affecting American health, you're talking these are political landmites

because big food, big ag, big grocery, big business. and Big Pharma, too. I mean, you have to understand how there are a lot of political donations that flow and lobbying from all these industries, right? They kind of don't want to maybe look at the downside of something. Fair enough? Fair enough. But I do think it's in their general best interest.

Because don't forget, these are corporations, but they are also populated by people who have families who have children who have to make those decisions about, well, should I get my newborn son vaccinated or my adolescent son, you know, smoking a little marijuana and should I really be worried? You know, there's lots of decisions. So I think in their long-term best interest, there's people. They should be helping to try to get to the bottom of this. Yeah, and we talk about it really to the best interest of most Americans to be consuming a diet

of incredibly ultra-processed carbohydrates. rates, you know, never-ending supply of it, right? Everywhere you go. Never-ending supply and getting more and more ingrained in the country. You know, some of the things that I think he's looking at where I do think he is spot-on in Men's Health Network, I think he's spot on. There's the whole issue of American diet. When you look at the list of components that go into foods that we pick up in the grocery stores

that are components that are generally recognize as safe. That list was drawn up in a time period of 50, 60s, maybe early 70s, when we would consume a pre-prepared meal maybe once or twice a week, sometimes less, you know, if Mama stayed home and took care of the kids into cooking and such. But now we see those same products being used almost every day. The other day I become very food aware. And I read the labels like I've never read them before. Odd food products.

I went to go, being the last name Georgiani, you can bet we pick up a lot of mozzarella for our diet. You bet you do. I would think something was wrong, Dr. Georgiani. I would think something was wrong, Dr. Georgiani, if you didn't have a lot of mozzarella in your household, something was wrong, huh? That's right. But I looked at this bag of mozzarella.

It's not just cheese. There's components for flow. There's components to prevent caking. There's components to prevent, you know, early deterioration, keep it as stable as it's being shipped, make it look brighter and fresher. So even something as simple as a shredded cheese product, or cheese, not even a cheese product, it has components.

So I urge folks to take a look of what you're buying in your local mega market and your local supermarket. Food isn't just food. It's processed product. Dr. Sal Georgiani Jr. Farmedy, Senior Science Advisor to the Men's Health Network. And I always appreciate your view. And I want to invite you on for something kind of involving the latest news here. Of course, there was the brutal subway, no light train murder that happened in North Carolina,

that, of course, everyone was seeing what was going on with this. We had the Charlie Kirk political assassination, in essence, that happened, couple of days ago. And I'm kind of curious, in your opinion, as a health guy, are Americans as a whole becoming desensitized to this all, you think? And it is kind of putting their head down and we don't want to do anything about this or even think too much about it. What is your opinion as a health specialist? There is an amazing body of knowledge about this. And of course, I've been looking because I've gotten some people inquiring about this. And I'm happy to talk about. it. But yes, this is not something new. I went back and I did something historical. I

look back as far as my little brain could pick up and even I could pick up. Back in 1974, there were articles about our Americans becoming desensitized to graphic violence. It didn't quite frame it towards exactly that way. But that's it. I remember growing up as a kid, you know, where people would look away when someone who was being beaten on the streets of New York City where I grew up because they didn't want to become involved. They just couldn't deal with it or whatever. right so you know i think that there are there are so many components to uh this and and then there's also the physiology uh of graphic violence and its impact on the dopamine receptors

of what many think of as pleasure receptors in the brains and it's very complicated so it's a little bit of genetics it's a little bit of physiology it's a little bit of sociology it's a little bit of sociology i would comment i think it's very important and interesting that the the identified suspect in the most unfortunate incident with Charlie Kirk and the despicable incident Charlie Kirk grew up. He's 22. That means he grew up during the lockdowns of the pandemic, which many, many believe, has had a very negative effect on younger individuals.

So essentially the lockdowns broke the minds of many American young people then, is what you're saying? Well, I would paint it a little bit more clinically. It certainly caused some terrible disruption. and thinking and socialization, that is elected, I believe, some very abluent behavior for some predisposed individuals. So if that isn't word salad, I don't know what it is, but I think that's a little bit more clinical way to say it.

But yes, there has been an impact. We must recognize it, and we have to do something to trim that. Are you speaking about, you know, mental health, more mental health clinics available to take care of people like this? I mean, how do you even address something like that? It's such a broad thing, and 99.999% of the people aren't going out there and stabbing people on subways and or politically assassinating people who they disagree with.

Thank you, thank you, Lord, for that. But it is very complicated, you know, it would be foolish of me to say, look, you can take one incident and generalize it to the entire population of men or women or the U.S. But I just think as a whole, look, graphic violence has been a part of human society going back probably earlier than Roman Empire where public displays of terrible violence were considered generalized entertainment and some individuals got pleasure out of it and that's related to the opening centers in the brain, the same sort of center that triggered people get pleasure out of long distance running when they're hurting their bodies. You know, and now we see more of it. There's also an interesting body of knowledge looking at this graphic violence in video games, which became the mainstay of many individuals who were on lockdown at the end of age of about 16, 17, 18. So you believe you can't really separate the influence of a continuing flood of hardcore violence,

even if it's coming within the video game platform. You can't ignore that influence then overall. You just can't. It's not just a little old Dr. Sald Gagiani, you know. It is a body of knowledge that you can't separate it. The big question where we do need research funding is what do you do about it. Do you censor anything with make-believe violence? Or do you can't go out and then just impose restraints on individuals who have to,

bad thoughts. So what do we do? I think that is the huge question for society now, how you balance these. And look, you know, we had another incident of a terrible shooting occurrence of the Catholic Church Pew just the last week, I believe. It was terrible. But that individual was identified, and you go back and you look at some of these terrible incidents where, by and large, it's men. In fact, I don't even think I can recount one mass shooting, was run by a biologic woman. That individual was identified as someone at risk, but then, and I'm not all enforcement or Judas Burns kind of guy, what do you do with that information?

Do you involuntarily put that person under protective custody for their own in society's good? Well, it wasn't that long ago that someone who had gender dysphoria to the point where, you know, they wanted to change your body around. that was considered a mental illness, was it not, back in the day? It was, and there's still, there's a guy called the DSM, the diagnostic system that identifies mental conditions that are used in every psychiatric diagnosis, which still considers body dysphoria, or gender dysphoria, and both, really, as part of the diagnostic code.

So, sure, it is still a medical diagnosis, and this has become a huge societal issue there are cogent arguments and I don't mean to be tried about it on both sides but I do think we have to take a completely new look at that and then also this huge question and not every individual who commits a heinous crime or heinous act of violence against another and does not be shooting or murder

it could be other terrible things that are just anti-social they're not all engaged in gender dysphoria they are, but they are all somewhere on the spectrum, again, if you will, having shown mental health conditions or mental health behaviors and physical behaviors that are abnormal. And then what do we deal with that? Do we, and now in one state, I can't remember the state, I apologize, there is mandatory

screening of school children for mental health issues. Let's say you pick up that Johnny or Janie has hallmarks of mental health issues that are bordering in the area of violence. What do you do? Do you incarcerate that child? Do you put them under suspicion? Do you bar them from attending general classes? I mean, what do you do with that when they're six or eight? What do you do with that when they're 17 or 23?

So I think that, and that screening, mental health screening, Mental House screening will follow them as far as I can tell from looking at the legislation throughout their lives. What do you do with that? Yeah, you're part of your permanent record, yeah. And then you start getting into civil liberties issues, right, in which it's almost like you're being treated as a pre-criminal. Is that kind of what you're alluding to, in a way? I think there was a movie about that. Yeah, Minority Report with Tom Cruise.

Great movie. thought crap. So, you know, I am not a sociologist. I am not a psychologist. I am very happy to be in the comfortable world of medication, pharmacology, and clinical practice. So I think, you know, from that limited view, we need, at least the folks that I work with all the time, we need to focus on some of the, some of the ways that we can understand what the pathophysiology or the, where the harmful medical, physiologic responses to violence, over-viewing of violence are, to blunting it, to making individuals not people, but making them almost cartoonish-like characters or caricatures of people. So you're a blunted to the humanity.

We need to understand that before we can get to this problem. And it's a very, very, very, very complicated issue. But it's one that if we want to drive as a free and open society, we have to do a much better job. And I don't think it's just that's the HHS or the feds or the states. I think it's the entire body of health care practitioners and families. Families play a very important role in bringing up children and helping them understand that the cartoons they see, whether they're video games or whether they're, you know, mighty mouths. or Superman cartoons in my day, on television that the violence is not real.

Dr. Sal Georgiani Jr., senior science advisor to the Men's Health Network, and they're doing great work over there. You can read up on this organization and what Dr. Salvatore Georgiani is thinking at men's health network.org. Men'shealthnetwork.org. I appreciate you coming on sharing a few thoughts about both men's health and the health networks of the country in general and where politics is connected to it also. Doctor, a pleasure having you on.

Thank you very much. I'm back any time you'd like to have a conversation. You betcha. And we like to do conversations here. This is the Bill Myers show on KMED and KMED HD1, Eagle Point, Medford, KBXG grants pass.