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Episode Date: September 17, 2025

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The Bill Meyer Show podcast is sponsored by Klausur drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausor drilling.com. It's the Bill Meyer Show on KMED, Southern Oregon's Place to Talk. All right, Chris, you out of the way in on Andreas Bleck, who was on yesterday's show, talking about Josephine County issues. And I think you and I are going to have a disagreement about this, but give me your take on you're hoping that I would talk with,

Cheryl from what group do you think I should talk to again? Cheryl Bruner from Williams Community Forest Project. Okay. You know, they're, Andreas and Chris Barnett, they're getting recalled. You know, probably get on the, probably be recalled eventually. But, you know, Bill, I know you hail from east side of Medford and you go out your front door or whatever and whatever view you have. You probably enjoy it. I own, I particularly own property in Williams, and I enjoy my view, and a lot of it is county property, or BLM.

It wouldn't even determine and the ilk wouldn't sell pipe pork, and they have the money, and they wouldn't sell it to them. Because they wouldn't, because they wouldn't keep it open to the public. They wouldn't take that on the deed to keep it open to the public. Yeah, the BLM, I wasn't, I didn't approve of the BLM people, the managers that showed up and had no answers for the commissioners. I agree on that, but just to like just sell it to private to that company, you know, they sold off like several parcels and the property that goes over, over the mountain. and, you know, it's just, I think it's kind of tragic, you know. Okay, now what would be wrong with, what would be wrong with Josephine County selling off that surplus property if they had the chance? What's wrong with that?

Because it's going to be all logged off and then it'll be all gone. Well, I'll tell you what, then you can buy it and then you can keep the trees there. How about that? Yeah, if I have. And why should it be up to Josephine County, a county which is in pretty tall? financial straits to preserve your view to preserve your view yeah i mean this is that kind of this whole kind of concept that uh yeah i own my property and i also own and control yours you know because uh you know i like the view and i don't want you doing anything uh you know let's just burn

let's just cut everything down with burn it all let's just i'm not advocating cutting it all down and bring it all. But, you know, on one hand, that property originally came from, what was it, probably a lack of property tax sale, so they ended up, what, foreclosure? And so the county ends up getting this, right? Yeah. Okay. So the county is not getting money from that right now. How should the county make a reasonable return on something like that? What do you think? Bill, I don't have an answer for that, but they're able to sell, give off $724,000 to pay off people to leave the company. And they don't have to pay them anymore.

Most of that was money that was money that they would have had to pay them anyway because it was vacation time and paid time off hold. So what's your issue? I just don't like them selling property. Okay, so you just want the property to be under the control of the county, what's so it can do nothing so you get to keep your view? It's for the public. No, it's for you

It's for all of us It's a community out there For all of us Okay, well then the community should buy it then If it's for the Williams community They should buy it And the rule was that they had to keep it accessible To the public

And of course they really don't want that Really what the Williams community I think wanted In my opinion from my observation of it Is that they want it locked away From other people Well, the pipe fork has a watershed. I mean, that's a no-brainer. I don't think anyone should be debating that.

I mean, so they came up with $2 million. Yellow Book price. They were raised by it. But remember, now, did they not want to transfer it to the BLM? Wasn't that part of that purchase? No, no, from what I'm just going off of what I remember here, okay, that they wanted to buy that, but they wanted it to transfer into the BLM, and the BLM would not guarantee that it would remain open. And that's why the county

commission at that time was not in favor of that transfer, because they wanted it to stay open. I think what we're arguing about here is that really a lot of the environmental community groups, in my opinion, Chris, are not about keeping things accessible. It's about ultimately locking things away and having no useful purpose anywhere out there. That's all. That's my opinion. I'm not for that. But I do know that John West goes to Edgewater Church, and he did this backdoor sweetheart deal with a piece of property in Cave Junction, and he wanted the Williams

Community Forest Project to pick up the tab, because there is a property that came back into Josephine County under Helen for like a million one. The guy in Eagle Point gave it up. They already got $200,000, and the Bridgeville project, non-profit, that Chad guy, he tried to get the property for $100,000, and he had access to the executive meeting with Herman and John West and Dan DeYoung. Okay, well, we're going off on some things that I don't really know or understand at the moment. You're not privileged. You're not privileged to it. And then they fired Trish House and got rid of the other gal that was the manager in the office. Okay. Well, whatever. Whatever. I still think ultimately what you're trying to do is that you want the county to continue to own that land so it preserves your people's view.

Not about what it's better for the county at large. Okay? Where am I wrong there? property, transferring it, monetizing it, buying property in Coosbe Bay to grow Doug fur. Okay, I'm, okay, I don't want to get off on, in the weeds there. Most people don't know what the hell you're talking about, Chris. Okay. Fine in the sky. Okay, all right. I got to go.

Hi, KBD. Good morning. Hello. Good morning. Hello. Yep. This Paul Williams. Hello, Paul.

I didn't hear the, the buzzy sounds. Okay, Paul. What's up? Go ahead, Paul. Yeah, about the people saying all the violent repugnant things about Charlie Kirk, nobody's saying they don't have a right to express their opinion, but what they don't like is when we use our First Amendment rights to say what we think about their type of person,

they don't like us exposing them for what they are. They don't want us to exercise our First Amendment rights. so i guess the solution to uh lack of expression is more expression then how about that well it's defining what they're saying they don't like us saying what uh we're not trying to shut them up actually i like the idea that they uh speak up and expose themselves or what kind of people they really are but they don't like it when we talk about what they said the content of what they said not the fact that they're able to say it okay point well taken Paul, thanks for the call.

We'll catch up with some more and then dig off into some other things, okay? Have it your way. We're going to shift gears here a little bit into the medical world because we're looking at massive increases in insurance costs, some of the greatest rises in 15 years, and yet we're still not getting price transparency out there either. I want to talk about this with Cynthia Fisher, who is the founder and chairman of Patient Rights Advocate, PRA. How you doing this morning? Cynthia. I know you're in a, you're in a corridor over at Capitol Hill somewhere trying to stay quiet, right? Yeah. Hey, tell us a little bit about that patient rights advocate. What are you

doing there? What's a part of your group? Yes, our organization, well, we're here in Washington and we are advocating for prices in health care so that every single patient, every single American can know what are they going to get in health care and what is it going to cost them. And we are very glad to say that in the first Trump administration that President Trump made it into law, giving us the right in a bipartisan way to be able to see all prices in health care from hospitals and insurance companies. Unfortunately, Bill, what happened during the Biden administration is they rolled it back to be estimates and algorithms.

And people don't do complex math and calculus to try to buy the price. Okay, so the law said that we're supposed to have the prices. So when you say that it was an estimate and algorithms, how did that look then if you were to go to a hospital website or a clinic's website and try to get a price on something? What happened? Well, I'll tell you, Bill, when you go to the hospital pricing files, they're a mass. It's complex math and calculus, and a lot of them don't even add up.

up to a true dollars and cents prize. So we know that the hospitals are gaming and obfuscating, getting true prices out. And we're glad to say that coming out of the gates, this new Trump administration demanded radical price transparency, giving everybody access to actual prices across the industry starting next year. So right now we had a bit of a rollback of mess. what I can tell you for Oregon is, unfortunately, as we look at compliance, because our organization is focused on making sure everybody has access to prices in health care. Why? Because if we can

get our MRI in advance of care, get to know what the price is, well, then we're going to know exactly what we're going to pay. And so people can then shop to make sure they get an MRI nothing more than $300 rather than being charged as high as $7,500 in a major hospital for the very same quality read of an MRI. I have to tell you, we had experiences like that with my own family in which shopping around with an MRI, the hospital was just, I want to say the hospital was $1,800 for the particular scan they were looking for, and we were able to get outside of insurance here at a Southern Oregon Clinic for about, let's see, $350, $400 at the time.

There's a huge difference, huge difference. Huge difference. And that's real money. And look, what we're finding, we just did a seventh annual report looking at the hospitals across the country. We're finding that there is such wide price variation because prices have been hidden. Even in the same hospital bill, we've seen a variation in prices. as high as 40 times higher from one insurance plan compared to another.

We've seen prices across hospitals vary even more. So when you see the prices vary because they're hidden in the shadows, nobody can actually see what is a fair market price. But God bless you because your family did the hard work and found out by paying cash money, you could get an MRI for $350, right, at a state. standalone center rather than paying over 1,800 in the hospital system. Here is the biggest problem that I'm having, though, with it. And that is the special deals that all these various insurance companies end up cutting with hospitals and perhaps doctors, groups, or whatever it is.

And I don't really know what the real cost of something is at this point. Is this anything which is addressed in President Trump's, any President Trump's bill? Because most of us, you know, if you have employer provided health care, you know, that kind of thing, you're buying it through them. You have some plan, and the plan has a rule, and then you have Blue Cross or you have Anthem or somebody else. You know, they cut the deals. You don't know about it.

You don't really know. And it's next to impossible to try to find out what doesn't appendectomy really cost. Well, I can tell you what happens after all the deductions and exemptions and, oh, what about your personal co-pay and all the rest of it? It just turns into this nonsense of mush, I guess, is what I'm getting. getting at here. What do you think? Well, absolutely. And the reality is, is you, the patient, all of us as patients and our families, are the true purchasers, right? And when we have insurance, we share coverage with our employer.

But the system, though, okay, well, I'm sorry to interject here, Cynthia, but the system is really, I mean, we may be paying the money or being part of it, but we're not really considered the purchaser of the services, as far as I can tell, because it always seems to be the insurance company that ends up being the purchaser and decider of the coverage. The reality is it's not the insurance company's money. It's the money that we set aside to pay for that premium that comes out of our paychecks and comes out of our employer earnings. So the reality is we are the true consumers.

We are the true purchasers, and they're just middlemen. And all they do is administer the bills. And this is the reality is we're really pleased to tell you that the insurance carriers and the hospitals in the radical price transparency executive order, starting next year, they will have to pull back the curtain and show all of the actual prices. Now, there's another major law that happened during the Trump First administration that this new administration is going to make into practical rules of law. And that is prices first health care. So starting next year, the administration is going to come out with making sure whenever we get scheduled or planned care, we will have our exact price. So we'll have what are we going to pay out of pocket? What's our co-pay?

And what is the amount total that the hospital is going to charge? Now, we'll have that before we even go in. guess what? We're also going to have the ability that the administration's demanding that all actual prices be in dollars and cents and be provided online from the hospitals and the insurance companies. What that means is you and I at some point in the not too distant future will be able to use something like chat CBT or go online or Google and search. What is the fair market price in Portland, Oregon, for a colonization? What are the price variations? And what is my plan price before I go in and schedule it? And so some people are going to see that their plan price is $1,200 all in. And another patient will see it's $12,000. Well, I'm going to tell you what's going to happen is the patients that see that they're overpaying by over $11,000 that they won't stand for it and they won't tolerate being overcharged and what will have. happen is we'll have competition and consumer choice to say, wait a minute, if I, like you did

for your MRI, you went and got it at a far lower price. If I demand to get a fair market price or go elsewhere and shop with my feet, then I'm going to demand driving down the cost of health care. And then also, Bill, when you get your bill, right, you get your bill, we should have an itemized bill to make sure it is exactly what we did get and receive, just like when you go to a restaurant, right? And if they charged you for the wrong thing, we should get credit for that and not accept. And so prices give us remedy and recourse if we've been erroneously or overcharges or upcoded. Synthia, you have a report about this over on your website, patient rights advocate.org, that is really worth reading. This is good news then what I'm hearing

from you. I don't know if the laws or the executive orders address something else here. When you do purchase outside of, okay, in other words, I don't do the MRI through the hospital, but it doesn't go through the insurance company either. They have no, you know, billing with this. The claim is that you have not spent money and doesn't meet your deductible. Is there anything about it in which outside money, outside of the medical industrial complex system of the insurance company, should, that when you spend to get the least amount of money for the same care, that it should at least count on deductible issues. What do you think? Absolutely. You know, and we're fighting for that in Washington, that when consumers like

yourself are able to find something so much lower cost and pay cash, that it should count toward their deductible because they're saving the entire company or the school district. They're saving money by all of us becoming consumers. And so those incentive systems can be built into the health plan that the employer has. And oftentimes because the big healthcare industrial complex makes more money, the more they hide prices and charge in the dark, well, they object to it. But the reality is, is it's our money, it's our lives, and these are our finances. And so what we do find is that school districts or public sector states that run health plans

or employers in the private world who design the health plans and reward people, some of the plans we've seen will say, not only will we allow that to count toward your deductible, but we'll actually pay for it all because you say, so much money for our health plan that you're saving all your fellow members of this plan, the ability to lower our cost of premiums in the future. So they'll even do incentives for getting a knee replacement at a price transparent surgical center that guarantees a knee replacement for under $15,000 versus going to an opaque hospital system where the same quality of care may end up costing.

a hundred thousand dollars and so oftentimes we've even seen employees in a good plan design get a two thousand dollar um bonus and free transportation and transportation to rehabilitation and no copay no deductible when they go to designated quality care centers at guaranteed lower prices okay that's good because it would seem that there should be an encouragement of of having less money up to this point though if it didn't go through your insurance company, it's like it never happened. You know, in other words, if they weren't handling the money and getting their cut, then it didn't count as health care spending.

See what I'm getting at? Absolutely. Absolutely. And that's because the insurance carrier is really the middleman. And you, the consumer, out of your paycheck and out of your take-home budget and as the employers out of their earnings and their budgets are the true purchasers of the health care. And unfortunately, you know, insurance in the shadows, as have the hospitals, they've had us blind to no prices, blindside us, and then expect us anytime we get care to pay a blind check, whatever they choose to charge us.

Well, it's game over for that archaic way of overcharging the American people. So, you know, we believe very firmly that you're going to see substantial changes to having radical and actual price transparency starting next year and in the fall. year that we will see prices first health care and protection of patients from overcharged medical bills. All right. Well, good news. I'll take the good news where we can find it because I can't think of one issue that's had more calls and letters about the incredible frustration and strain of dealing with

what does something really cost out there. And for this, I'm grateful, all right? Exactly. All right. Exactly. And, Bill, everybody should feel free to come to our website because nearly everyone has a story of being overcharged. We had a young man who had a $15,000 charge for an EpiPen. And because we've helped him find the actual prices, he was able to get his bill totally white clean

because the hospital way overcharged him. So they can come to our website at patient rights advocate dot org, patient rights advocate.org. And we will show how to fight medical bills. Don't pay the first bill. Make sure you fight and make sure you get an itemized bill and that you agree with it. And then also how to shop in advance in these difficult times while the hospitals are still gaming and obfuscating. But we will help and we show the way and stay tuned because good news is coming. Good news is coming by law to get actual prices and prevent overcharges and lower our costs. Glad to hear it. Cynthia Fisher once again, founder and chairman of Patient Rights Advocate. We'll get all that information up on KMED.com. Appreciate the talk. Thanks for being

flexible on the talk. Thank you. Bye-bye now. All right. Thank you. State 31 at KMED, 993 KVXG. Dusties, your trusted transmission experts are at NetSuite.com slash Kim. NetSuite.com slash Kim. This is News Talk 1063, KMED, and you're waking up with the Bill Myers Show. 835. I have rescheduled Rob Schloffer to talk about the psychiatry between the right and the left or the psychology of our different worldviews. And I said, you know,

buddy, I want to have you on tomorrow at 810. I don't want to be squeezed, and we're already looking at 835. So we're going to move him until tomorrow. Rob Schloffer, one of the more interesting thinkers that we have here in Southern Oregon. I consider him a national treasure, even if he is, you know, our guy here in Southern Oregon. And I found him so interesting because he really has been someone working very hard. In the past, he would always be one of these people, hey, can we get the right folks and the left folks, you know, talking with one another and actually find a way

to get this done. And then he found out that unfortunately, Left didn't seem to really want to do much talking and wanted to cause problems. At least that was his experience, and yet I consider him a good honest guy, and we'll explore

that further tomorrow on conspiracy theory Thursday. It might be better for a conspiracy theory Thursday anyway. But that does mean we have a little more time to talk about anything which happens to be on your mind. I know talking with Chris over in Josephine County a few minutes ago, and I don't, you know, I'm pretty sure I have this right, but I know there's been all of this controversy about what Josephine

County should do if they should, you know, sell off this land. And I remember back when there was the pipe fork sale that was being talked about, the way it was explained to me by numerous people in the know and in the government was that they were willing to sell the pipe fork to those people that had wanted to buy it, the community. The thing is, though, it's like everything else. Nobody wants to actually manage that land. They wanted then to turn it over to the Bureau of Land Management. And the Bureau of Land Management would not give a guarantee that this land could remain open to the public.

And since the BLM was not willing to give that, the Josephine County Commission Board at that time refused to complete that sale. That's the way I understand it. Now, if I'm wrong about this, please, you know, set me right, but I was having this back and forth with Chris. My main thing is, though, the so-called community, well, I like my view and all these other things. I kind of had it up to here with this concept that everybody owns their property and they own the property that they can see next door or off in the distance. And am I wrong about that? It's kind of irritating because I'm always willing to say, hey, you know, you guys want to control this. go ahead and buy it.

Oh, no, you don't want to buy it. You want taxpayers to either buy it or else you want taxpayers just to leave it alone and just leave it there so that it catches on fire. And then we have to go fight fire on it. And oh, we can't generate any income because any income is generated for anything other than a sacred nonprofit group,

we can't do that here in Southern Oregon. So I know I'm kind of ranting a little bit, but I've been sort of irritated by that whole You know, the community wants this. But the community doesn't want to pay for anything, you know. And the community doesn't think there has to be an economic activity in order to pay for something. So I just get irritated by this whole thing. I like the view.

Of course you like the view. Nobody wants to pay for the view. You know, I suppose at some point, even though I can see Roxy Ann, Roxanne Mountain out of my backyard, what happened someday if the city of Medford decided, you know, we're going to sell that whole thing off. We're going to sell it off. We don't want Prospect Park any longer. Well, no, I like that view there. Actually, I don't care about the view, but it's there.

All right, so that's kind of where I'm coming from right now. Chris, I'm sorry, I felt a little bit irritated, but this is the same kind of thing. Well, we want that land to stay untouched and unlocked. Yeah, you want everything to be untouched and unlogged in no economic activity around there, but I guess everybody else wants their job, though. Oh, my goodness. Hi, good morning. This is Bill.

Who's this? Yeah, this is a Ranger. Hey, Ranger, what's up? Why can't the county sell a 20-year or 25-year contract to a timber company and make money on it? And it remains open. It remains to them. And everybody benefits. Well, you have to understand the Ranger, the community, and I'm going to put that, the community,

in scary air quotes, and in this case it must be some of the folks around Williams, any kind of logging whatsoever is a danger to our community. I mean, the county probably could do this, but there would be so many protests then of whoever were to then get that contract to log that it, it probably would not be a profitable deal. Does that make sense? Well, I think if they were arrested, it would change their thinking and action. Okay, well, maybe you're right about that, but maybe not. We are talking about a world in which ORD2 Indivisible is quite the player here in Southern Oregon.

Okay? All right, Ranger. Thanks for the call. We can talk about that or anything else on your mind here, too. 7705-633-770-K-MED. Yes, I. I like nice views too, but nobody wants to pay for their nice few, right? They want somebody else to pay for their nice view in their community.

What's a you? 9-0958. The Bill Myers Show is on News Talk 1063, KMED. All right, we have a little open phone time if you wanted to join in. I know it's not Conspiracy Theory Thursday, but every day kind of feels like a conspiracy theory Thursday. What can we do? 770 5633-770 KMED. Oh, by the way, Daily Courier had a report that Grants Pass man who ran for Josephine County Commissioner

last year announced this week that he's going to challenge U.S. Representative Congressman Cliff Bence for his seat in the House of Raps. Russell McAllman, at 73-year-old, said he decided to take Bents on in the May 26, 20206 Republican primary over his frustration at Benson's lack of communication in his recent decision to discontinue in-person town halls. Now, McAllman was a, well, I guess he's only had one political campaign so far. According to the Daily Courier, it was a 2024 bid for a seat on the Josephine County Board of Commissioners. And he finished fourth in the nonpartisan primary, seat eventually won by Ron Smith. Okay, so that's what Russell is all about, 73-year-old, wants to take on Benz, because of discontinuing of the in-person town halls.

Is that a thing for you? Is it a thing for you that Cliff Benz has decided to go with teletown halls rather than in-person town halls? I haven't had the opportunity to talk with him about this because the announcement came after... the last time I ended up speaking with you about these town halls. Is the in-person town hall the way to go? And this all has to do, no doubt. I think it's once again at the feet of what happens every time you have indivisible, whether it's ORD2 or the rogue indivisible, coming out there.

Because essentially, they take over these public meetings. And there's been no real way to deal with it right now. And Cliff Bence is choosing to not do in-person town halls any longer and make them on with town halls, kind of like, you know, Zoom meetings and do it that way. Is that an issue for you? Is that a big deal? Along the same line, I know there was conversation

in the Josephine County Commissioner, commissioners on Monday. And that was also in the courier that they had actually talked about maybe not having in-person public comment. Any thoughts on this? Yeah, or nay, does it give you any pause? Now, they haven't decided to go that way. We'll probably find out more after today's meeting. But a lot of stuff.

But I understand where they're coming from in some respects because I remember even just a few years ago when the indivisible gray-haired hippie-ty-ty-ty-tifitten on Greg Walton's meeting. and they essentially took the meeting over. And so I can understand being a Congress critter and just saying, why do I bother? Why do I bother taking the time, the money, and showing up?

There's no point. But something is lost there without the in-person meeting and commenting, don't you think? Or do you not think that? We can talk about it at 7705-633-770KMD. So we have a guy at Russell's chances are probably, slim given that he was even fourth place in trying to be a Josephine County commission a commissioner though but interesting that he's bringing up the thing with Cliff Benz no longer doing in-person town halls happy to take your call

at 770 5633 if you had an opinion one way or the other okay let's do some emails of the day emails of the day and that is sponsored by Dr. Steve Nelson Central Point family dentistry central point family dentistry.com while you wait crowns they specialize in that nice waiting room to they'll get you in and out very quickly central point family dentistry dot com dr steve nelson and uh by the way it's on uh freeman way right next to the mazadlan mexican restaurant okay dingy harry writes me this morning good morning bill my ex-wife was a 30-year providence rn at providence this is where all the bums with no insurance are sent they can't legally get rid of them

They camp out there, and they run up six-figure bills, which no one pays. Illegal aliens? Same deal. No one pays. So what is the plan for all the folks who bitch about hospital costs when Providence goes bankrupt? Providence is losing millions every year. I have no dog in this fight, but facts are facts. How will Medford do with one less hospital since in Oregon you have to have permission from your competitors to build another insane?

anti-competitive law but after all this is oregon and not jobs are running the state maybe have a health care expert on your show to opine and what the solution is the current set of economic facts is pushing our health care into extreme jeopardy best dingy harry read harry i don't know who you are you always make me laugh me laugh though just with the dingy harry reed comes up on my email always appreciate that that was something i was bringing up during the providence strike of a few months ago here Harry with the, you know, the ONA deal, Oregon Nurses Association has said, okay, yep, you're going to win this, you get some concessions, you're going to get some raises, but it is not making Providence any more of a going concern. All it has probably done is increase the financial strain on Providence. What does happen? I don't know.

But the question I would have for you then, why is it that Providence is where they send all the bombs? Does Asante not take their share? I'm just taking your word for it, Harry. Fortunately, I have a person doesn't have to go into either system all that much. Elaine writes me this morning about Pam Bundy. Some people complaining that, you know, she's going after hate speech

and shouldn't be going in that sort of situation. Hate speech is a nonsense term, though. Left loves that. I don't want the right to fall in love with it either. Elaine says, Bill, she's so weak-minded that the best she can do is threaten Office Depot, who has already handled their own issue internally. She has not accomplished one single meaningful prosecution. Hopefully Trump is reviewing this poor appointment between Bondi, Patel, and Bongino.

We have the Keystone cops. Oh, you don't like Battal and Bongino, huh? All right. All right, Elaine. I appreciate your writing. Patrick says, Bill, where do we draw the line? Where do we draw the line? I was asking that question because of the central point teacher's aide who ended up putting out some pretty nasty stuff, doesn't like President Trump, rapist in chief, you know, all that kind of thing, and not sympathetic to Charlie Kirk's assassination.

Where do we draw the line, Bill? When asking where that line is, ask whose rights are being violated. That is the line. The line to never cross is where your rights crossover to violate the rights of someone else. The Bill of Rights enumerates the rights we are not to violate. including the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I hope this helps. Okay.

Now, the left does not really buy that part life, liberty, because when they talk about rights, though, their version of rights, the way I'm seeing this, Patrick, is that they tend to figure that they have the right to demand that everybody else buy into their delusion, for example, in the transgender agenda. Do they have the right to demand under their rights? Will we be violating their rights by not going with the agenda? That's a serious question. I thought I'd pose it to you. Granny writes me, bill of Bill Myers Show.com. The quote by John Adams,

our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. And Granny adds those on the left clearly show they're neither moral or religious. than on the right, 90% of which give lip service to being moral and religious. Well, we're all fallen individuals, right, Granny? Granny, rather. The email, Bill of Bill Meyers' Show.com. Hi, good morning.

Who's this? Welcome. You're on the show. Hi, Bill. It's Calvin. Hey, Calvin. What's on your mind, huh? Well, I thought you could use a dad joke.

Hey, I could use a dad joke. You got it. Well, as I was barbecuing last night, I thought of this. If you flitcher a steer and get a T-boat, it's called a steak. but what do you call it if it's a cow that you butcher? I don't know. What is it that you call a cow that you butcher? A mist mistake. A mistake. Okay. Got it.

I appreciate the laugh. Thank you, Calvin. It's 854. When you donate blood, you help save. Okay, 7705-633. I wanted to continue with the the emails of the day because we've had a bunch of them. Betty writes me this morning, Hey, Bill, you were talking the other day about lithium water. Years ago, we would go over there and we would see a large number of people

taking home jugs and jugs of the water. They do not have the only horrible water. I'm sure that you have read some books on the Indian Wars in the Klamath Basin. You'll know the names of Fort Klamath War, which is about 15 miles from a crater lake. There are many acres of farmland. They're covered with cattle in the summer.

The ranches in the area have artesian wells for drinking water, and there is a smaller freshwater river for the animals. But everyone I knew back in the day would buy Kool-Aid by the box. The only way to drink that water. Kool-Aid by the box. Kool-Aid all the time, huh, Betty? I appreciate your writing. All right.

I had an interesting conversation with Butch because I was talking yesterday about, the blowing up of the boats, the blowing up of the boats, the drug smugglers, and Bush says, Bill, I don't know if this is a marketing gimmick or your honest opinion about the U.S. destroying drug smugglers. Please consider this. There are folks all over South America reporting stuff about everything about drugs, military, and political activity. Whoever was running this boat to the United States, we knew what the cargo was, where it was, and who was on it. Where these folks captured are allowed to come to the United States, it would have

cost thousands in legal proceedings that their U.S. accomplices would have received when caught on I-5. If you've never lived in a third world country, you never understand that. We have to fight them as they fight us, Butch and Gold Hill. All right, well, I don't do, take a position on

something just for fun. Okay, I don't do that. I'm not one of those people that say, okay, what could generate controversy? And then I'm going to say this is my my deal. Here's where I come down, and this is not about Trump, this is about any president.

I am not a fan of presidents of any sort, just pushing buttons and automatically blowing people out of the water because of what we think or know or what we think we know in international

waters. That's kind of where I'm coming down here. You know, if there within our territorial waters, I'm okay. I get that. What does concern me is that I've seen a trend over the years that we tend to clap like train seals for the latest military snuff video on the news channels. And I don't think that's necessarily a good trend, all right? I would seize the boats. I'd put the traffickers

in Gitmo, but a lot of people disagreed with me on that yesterday. But But Butch, we have the right to disagree. And I'm glad we still do, okay? Email bill at Billemeyer's show.com. We'll talk on Conspiracy Theory Thursday. Did you know that you can provide shelter, hope, and healing just by sipping coffee? This is Lisa from Kelly's at a...