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Episode Date: September 18, 2025

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The Bill Myers Show podcast is sponsored by Klauser Drilling. They've been leading the way in southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausor drilling.com. Conspiracy Theory Thursday. Maybe you heard a good one. Dave's here. Hello, Dave. Morning.

Morning. It's a really wonderful day. It is. It is. Beautiful. Beautiful. The chem trails are gone for some reason. Right.

You know, it's because they crack U.S. aid off that was funding it. Oh, is that what's the theory. That's a good one. But what else were you calling about, Dave? Good to hear from you. I'm really concerned about your safety, and you should be keeping your head on a swivel and your general awareness of who's around you.

Because, you know, there's a lot of crazy types in Ashland. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, there's a lot of crazy types everywhere. But I think that's something that, you know, anytime you're in media, we all have to kind of always keep a lookout, I guess, for lack of a better term. So, you know, I heard, I heard Megan Kelly say that she would volunteer to be the shooter if he's convicted on the execution of the clown.

Yeah, well, that's true in Utah. They do have the firing squad, but does the, if, assuming he is convicted, all right, if he is convicted, does he have a choice? Can you take a firing squad? Not in Utah? No, they got rid of because they couldn't get the drugs to do lethal injection, and they don't like the idea of hanging, so they went straight for just firing squads. Okay, and I guess if you were taking that as a form of execution, you're hoping that the aim is

true, right? Right, but, you know, I watched Megan Kelly Lowe about a year ago. she was out shooting NAR 15 and she's a good shot I'm sure I would not want to get into an argument with Megan Kelly

well and sometimes she's very passionate lady yeah you know okay now I'm going to do something for the astrologers out there she's a Scorpio woman it's all you to say don't don't mess with Scorpio women man oh yeah I didn't realize she was Scorpion oh yeah that explains a lot

yep yep yeah he's Scorpio man you know Scorpio is, hey, don't mess with me, okay? That's, I don't know if there's any truth of that or not, but it's just through observation. Let me go to Tom. Hello, Tom. How you doing? Welcome. Good to have you on.

Thank you, Bill. Yeah, I did interview about the Oregon Health Authority. I just want to put out that I think the Oregon Health Authority is a threat to the health of Oregonians. It's far more than just a label on a. that, whatever, they're essentially have taken over the health care of all the different professions here in Oregon. It is essentially the agenda-based, it is essentially, Tom, the agenda-based process in action, and it's with the, you know, the force of law.

There have been talked, in fact, I think Oregon would likely be a healthier state if the Oregon Health Authority were decommissioned and then it just returned back to the way was because it has little to do, in my opinion, about, you know, actually providing health and more about where does the grant stream funding go and how does it help our agendas? Because we're all tend to be left of center in this, in this OHA world. It seems that way. Yeah, they're actually in charge of directing billions of dollars over time, maybe not in one year, but they're very, very powerful.

and, you know, it's not just pushing transgenderism like Pam Marsh. Pam Marsh at one time told me that as far as transgenderism, surgery, and so forth, why it's simply providing health care for minors. That was her take on it. But so the Oregon Health Authority is pushing that. They push the COVID mandates and really attacked anyone, any business, who weren't masking up and so forth and so on. I think they're a genuine threat to the health of Oregonians,

and I'd like to see an investigation of the Oregon Health Authority, because right now I don't see anything that there's any oversight on them, certainly not our leftist extremist legislature up there. Well, don't you think that, you know, as long as you have that supermajority there, of Democrats that favor what OHA is doing. You think there's really much of a shot of getting that investigated to your satisfaction? Well, that's a good question. And I guess organizations like what you were the fellow you were just interviewing,

I don't know if there can be a citizens committee here in Oregon for, you know, keeping Oregon government in line with basic human rights and what the, Oregon Constitution because I'm sure you go into the Oregon Constitution. They couldn't legitimately be in doing what they're doing. All right. Now, tell me your experience because you're a chiropractor, a doctor of chiropractic, correct? Yep. Okay. What does the Oregon Health Authority require that you do in order to get your licensing? I recall you were telling me about this a few months ago involving certain agenda supporting activities. Yeah, well, they have something they call cultural competency that it's basically wokeism imposed

in order to renew your license, to get your license, and not just chiropractic, but the naturopaths and medical doctors. What do you have to do then, cultural competency in order to renew your license? You have to sit and listen for hours on someone drawn on about things that we all live. learned in the sandlot of kindergarten, and it's so vacuous. I mean, it's nothing that I'd really disagree with, but it's like what one medical doctor told me, he said, if we didn't know and integrate and realize all the things that they're telling us, we would have been out of business almost on the day we started opening up our

practice. What is O.H? Could you give me an example of the inanness, you know, of this requirement, because it's wasting time that doesn't seem to actually help you practice better. It certainly is. It's wasting huge amounts of time. At one point, there's one word. There's a black panther, a black man, and he's telling us how evil profits are. And you talk about communism right off the bat right there.

Oh, okay. So you have to be forced fed by the OHA to get your chiropractic or your other medical license out there. You have to be told by a Black Panther member that communism is good, and profits are bad. Basically, yeah, and, you know, I see the whole DEI business. They would say that, oh, you're just an unwoke white supremacist or whatever. You don't get it. That's what they would say about me and anybody who. But really, you look at what DEI has done.

It's so divisive, and it's so racist. And what it does, it's fanning the fires of racism and trying to make any minority a victim of racism. Well, and the other thing, though, you know, there's another side of this, which is more insidious about the DEI, especially in the medical world. Because you know what DEI does, it makes you think, it would make many patients coming in there. if they see a minority, a minority persuasion doctor, surgeon, whatever the thing is, you're thinking that you just got in because of the DEI program rather than making it because you were a great doctor or surgeon. It's insulting, in my view.

Well, it's certainly like that. You also wonder about airline pilots and so forth and so on. But so what I'm calling for is simply an investigation and in some way to create an oversight, Because what they did, particularly during the COVID mandates and everything like that, was just so outrageous and so anti-American, it's so anti-constitution, so anti-human rights, they are a threat to the health and well-being of Orgonians. Well said. That's the bottom line. Well said, Tom, and I appreciate your call. I know you normally call in the early morning riser.

Thanks for being up later. Okay. See you later. You bet. Okay. KMED, KMED, H. H.D.1, Eagle Point, Medford, KBXG grants pass. We'll check Town Hall News here in just a moment. And then off the, another interesting conversation. I've been looking forward to this.

Rob Schloffer, he wrote a great piece about why do we disagree about values. And it has to do with moral foundations. You know, why these different moral foundations? And there's a lot more to it than just left and right. We'll talk about that on the way. Breaking news this hour from Town Hall. I'm Mitch Thomas. She storm Saturday. Beautiful. 60 degrees now, nine minutes after eight. And, okay, caller, I forgot to write your name down.

I'm sorry about this, but you were calling about an event Sunday on Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk's funeral day. How you doing? Yeah. Thank you for taking my call, Bill. My name is Karen. Thank you, Karen. Okay.

How can I forget a name like Karen? All right, but anyway. Right. Good day of you on these days. Yeah. So, first of all, again, thank you for taking my call. I also want to thank you for having my friend, Oh, talking about Indivis Indivisible on your show because she is just so knowledgeable.

Yes. I appreciate that. I look forward to seeing her completed documentary on Indivisible here in Southern Oregon. It should be quite thought-provoking, I would imagine. She is just incredible and she's so passionate, and she's trying to help save our community, so I thank you for that. But I'd also like to invite anybody on Sunday. The doors will be open at 9 at the Josephine County Republican headquarters.

We will be live streaming at 10, Charlie Kirk's Funeral, and And we're just having an open invitation for people to come, have coffee, have a little treat, get together, we can get together and talk, we can get together and mourn. This was very impactful to all of us. I personally have a 22-year-old and a 16-year-old, and this really hit them incredibly hard. They'll be there, too, my daughter's helping set up, and she feels very passionate about it, but I'd like to just extend that to anybody who wants to come, including, you know, anybody who's maybe even not Republican because this affected a lot of people.

And hopefully, you know, everybody in Josephine County, because, you know, there's a lot of going on in Josephine County, but maybe we could come together for this. Maybe we'd come together and have a little, um, a coffee together and really start talking some things out and really start just for this being together. And so I just wanted to extend that to everybody. All right. So it's nine o'clock, nine o'clock Sunday morning is when this. starts right yes all right josephine county a republican party office right across from the

courthouse in grants pass okay yeah karen thanks for the call and i appreciate you calling in by the way you don't have to thank me for uh taking your call because that's what i do okay i appreciate it all right you have a great day all right and i'm going to take rob schloffers call here in a couple of minutes after the commando update always interesting stuff and we're going to talk about why do we disagree about values and i mean it really is like amazingly different worldviews and rob has a few thoughts put out a great piece recently we'll talk more about that next this hour of the bill myers show is sponsored by fontana roofing for roofing gutters and sheet metal services visit fontana roofing services when was the last time you had your well water tested the EP always enjoy my talks with

rob schloffer rob schloffer good thinker and he has the oregon education project Oregon ed. Info. Welcome back, Rob. How you been? Great. Great to be here, Bill. I consider it a real privilege to be able to have some air time with you. Well, the feeling is mutual because I always learn something when I speak with you. You are a man who, for a long time, has been trying to bring left and right together and try to get people talking together rather than talking at or talking past one another, I would say. and then you started turning your focus to reforming the Oregon education system. And unfortunately, you were saying that there just hasn't been a lot of interest in doing that so far by a lot of folks or that they think that, you know, hey, a new administration is going to take care of all of this.

We're going to close the Department of Education and then things are fixed, right? Is that kind of the overall feel? Yeah, well, you know, at the beginning of the year, I launched the Oregon Education Project. and my goal was to try and organize folks, particularly folks on the right and the center right. You mentioned the group Indivisible earlier, and I was involved when they first started and very much involved trying to get them to have a different kind of approach rather than channeling their anger to try and understand back in 2017 when they started to try and understand why people, you know, why so many of these good people in the

their neighbors were voting for Donald Trump. They just really couldn't understand it. And I said, you know, rather than getting angry at these people, why don't you try and understand them so that you can have a fruitful dialogue? And, of course, that really, you know, was not successful at all. And, you know, I spent several years doing talks mostly amongst progressives, mostly in Southern Oregon, but also up in the Bend area. One of the things I discovered doing these talks,

And what I would do in these bridging the divide talks is we would bring people together, and I would literally just put up on the board, this is what Republicans believe about this issue. This is what Democrats believe. And a lot of it was just getting people to understand the other, to have some kind of empathy for what the other side believed. So that rather than being angry and divisive, you know, we can have some dialogue going. And it was another failure, and it was another failure overwhelmingly because of people on the left. And I at that time was a person kind of of the left. So it was a real eye-opener to me.

The other thing I realized was, as I was doing these talks, particularly down in Ascent, I would hear the same repetitious responses from progressives over and over and over again, which told me that they were being indoctrinated. They were not actually thinking about the issue. they were picking up the sound bites. And, of course, one of the problems we have in the Rogue Valley is we don't, other than your program and what KMED does, all of our media sources lean left, and in the case of something like Jefferson Public Radio, they really have turned into a propaganda platform.

People get a very, very narrow view of the world. There's much more viewpoint diversity on your program than you would ever get on your JPR. And the result of that is people don't hear other perspectives. So when I would do these talks and I would present, you know, the perspective of the Republicans in a neutral way, they would get reactant. They would get cognitive dissidents. And sometimes it was not unusual, particularly in 2017, just after the election. People would get angry. They would shout. In 2018, I was assaulted during a talk that I was doing on race in America. So the anger that we're seeing now, the political violence has been latent there for a long time. It's been building.

And like I said, with this group Indivisible, which I'm very, very concerned about locally, they're getting a lot of attention. The local media seems to be in love with this group. K-LBI never misses an opportunity to promote them, for example. My concern is that this This is going to drive even more division and more hatred, you know, in our community. And the way through that, again, in my view, is to try and get people to understand one another. Boy, the understanding is a high lift, I guess is what you were saying, because you said the Oregon education project just ended up failing miserably here. Yeah. Now, you put out a piece here.

And I found it fascinating. It has to do why do we disagree about values. Now, when it comes to values, I will tell you, I mean, I have lots of criticism of the left, all right? But I really do try to understand many times where they come from, where they're coming from. I try to put themselves, myself rather, in their shoes. And I see a lot of individuals, I think, with big hearts. I really do. And I'm trying to give kudos.

this is just my observation, big hearts, but there's not a whole lot of intellectual heft that is attached behind the heart. It's a very emotional-based process. But yet, even, you know, voting is an emotional-based process, both left and right. It's not just necessarily always just logical. But you talk in this piece about the disagreements actually go down to psychology, quite often more so than anything else that we're dealing with, differences between left and right in psychology. And could you maybe go down that road a little bit? Oh, exactly. And you know, Andrew Breitbart famously said that politics is downstream of culture. And I would say that culture is downstream of psychology. That really what we're seeing today is about

psychology. And interestingly, I was on about a month ago. You invited me on because I had written a post about why we disagree about facts. But as I was listening to the show that morning, I kept hearing things that led me to say, you know, this is the issue that I just wrote about, the whole issue of moral foundations is something that really would help inform people about what the differences are. Because it really does boil down to the fact that, you know, As I note in the piece, Jonathan Haidt, who some of your readers may know, he's written a book called The Anxious Generation, which has gotten a lot of press. The Medford School District used it recently. He's one of the big advocates of getting cell phones out of the classroom.

And his work on that really goes back to his book in 2012 called The Righteous Mind, where he lays out exactly why people are divided by politics. by talking about moral foundations. And what he did, along with a team of social sciences, you know, they went out and surveyed, they looked at what people's moral views were all around the world, and they came up with a set of what they call moral foundations. These are universal things that people ascribe to that more or less kind of shape how we generate narratives

and build institutions that kind of hold folks together. and he made the point then that this is really seems to be the source of America's political divide. And, you know, he laid out five care, fairness, loyalty, authority, and sanctity. And again, I would curse people to go to word in ed.info and download this little explainer. Yeah, there's a little chart you have there. In other words, this is showing the political support or focus on what they think is important. Is that a way to explain this chart that you have? Right. And the point they were trying to make is there's this set of moral foundations that are universal, and they are at the core of building a successful society, particularly in someplace like the United States, which has had a big impact around the world in creating really stable, prosperous cultures.

You know, everybody wants to come to America, and wherever you travel in the world, people want to emulate America because we've been very successful. And one of the big reasons for our success is are these moral foundations that hold us all together. And what they discovered, and again, height is a person of the left. So this kind of shocked him. What they discovered is that people on the left, especially the progressive left, really have a limited moral palate. That they focus, tend to focus on the care and fairness foundations. And they ignore what he calls the loyalty and the authority. and the sanctity. For example, there's a reason why surveys show that people on the left are not

very patriotic. Patriotism is tied to this foundation of loyalty. You know, the ability for people to hang together as a group, and its opposite is this idea of betrayal. And so it's not surprising that progressives are often accused of being, you know, anti-American, because they don't share this loyalty foundation that conservatives have. And again, A good society needs all of these moral foundations. And when progressives focus so much on care and being fair, particularly to victims, they lose sight of everything else. That's interesting because I can even take that to the approach on illegal immigration

and the state of Oregon being a sanctuary state. and I recall how there was an article I was talking about I forget who the blogger was a number of years ago. I think it was a substack. This is a few months ago I was talking about it and talked about the issue being here is that the political left tends to love and be loyal to the wrong people. You know, in other words, cannot look at their own people as people worthy of shedding cultural love on to, essentially. And that our own people are almost held in contempt, but we're worried way more about people who really aren't our people, so to speak. That's where they were going. I thought it was really interesting and kind of put it through a kind of love prism of sorts.

And that kind of bears out in what Jonathan Haidt is. It's height, right? Jonathan Haidt was talking about in this book? Yes, height, yeah. Yeah, it does. And I think, you know, immigration is a perfect example of that. you know, is that that's what's really going on is. And again, it's, because these are psychological mechanisms that are inherent in us,

it's, as I point out in the piece, the fact that progressives don't have the, the loyalty and the authority and the sanctity foundations, let's take authority, for example, it's just the whole idea that societies, you know, need to have some hierarchical structure. You need to have, the police need to be respected, teachers need to be respected. parents need to be respected. There's a social order there that has been, it's one of the keys to why we've been successful, particularly here in America. If you take that away, you begin to see societies, you know, kind of break down. What about the sanctity aspect in the psychology, and how would you define the sanctity according to height? Because sanctity, the political left, especially the progressive rates very low, very little concern.

on that, and the rights kind of considerably higher, kind of in the middle? Well, where you really see that is in sexual ethics. The whole idea that we need, you know, the body, your Christian listeners out there understand this, you know, Paul talks, the St. Paul talks about your body as a temple of the Holy Spirit. Again, and again, America was founded on Christian moral principles, and so the idea that we need to have, there needs to be, you know, you need to have self-discipline with regard to your sexuality. That's what makes for a strong culture. One of the things that began to

break down in the 1960s was just that, and that sex became focused on freedom and expression and whatnot. And the downside of that is, of course, we now have a big problem in this country, particularly amongst black folks of children born out of marriage, something like 70% of black children born in America today, are not born to homes where there is a stable father. father. The need for a family unit to function well requires the father and the mother. And by the way, it's the smallest foundation then of a healthy culture, like the building blocks of a healthy culture, right? Exactly. And a lot of the violence we're seeing, you know, most of the violent crime that takes place in America is taking place among black people in urban environments where there's a lot of gang activity. If you don't have fathers in the home, and again, conservatives know this because they've been talking about this for decades,

but it's something that we really have to grapple with why it is we're having such horrendous crime in some of these areas, even though it's going down a little bit, you know, one of the big reasons is, again, these moral foundations are there to provide stability in the culture. And that includes a kind of stability around sexual relationships, the idea that men need to be focused, on family formation, which, but as an aside, one of the great reasons, one of the reasons why I think Charlie Kirk was so successful was he was bringing people back to these basic ideas that we need to focus on family formation, good marriages, you know, those are, that's kind of the key to a stable society. And if you don't recognize that, and you begin to wander off into a kind of a freedom that doesn't, you know, have any responsibility to,

it, that begins the breakdown of society. So that's, and that's really what, to me, the great, the message of Heights book is that progressives have, again, they've embraced a very limited moral palette. And when people start to talk about these other foundations, they get cognitive dissonance. If you don't have an authority, kind of authority software in your brain, when you begin to talk about exerting legitimate authority, like we need to, you know, we need to protect, we need to close the border, we need to, we need to have, we need to focus on citizens in America, these kinds of things, they get angry. They don't know how to deal with it psychologically, so they automatically become subjects of cognitive dissonance, and they get really angry and upset, and they don't know how to handle the deal with it rash. Yeah, and so when they go out to a public meeting, whether it's Ron Wyden or Congressman Benz, as an example, we're not really going to talk about anything. We're going to bang the cowbell and just, you know, we express our anger. Oh, exactly.

Oh, exactly. And again, going back to this group, Indivisible, and this is what I was trying to stop when I first started. I was trying to stop them from just, you know, again, indivisible, this is a, I described them as a far-left agitator kind of group. And this whole, you know, the whole no kings mean that they're promoting really ties, really ties, again, to these moral foundations. But there is no authority. There is no authority, essentially, or very low focus on authority in their psychological makeup, is what you're saying. Yeah, they see Trump, you know, this is why they see Trump as a domineering kind of a figure, because, again, they just, they don't have the psychological mechanisms to be able to deal with that rationally. And the only way that they can deal with is by getting angry. And so what they've done is they've created a platform to express aggression.

You know, sometimes it's passive aggression, sometimes it's active aggression. And it's something we should be concerned about in our community because it's very, very divisive. You know, I have, like I said, I have tried for years to talk to these people, and they simply are unable to have a conversation and certainly unwilling. If you're unwilling or unable to have conversations about things which make you, uncomfortable like you're a member of the hard progressive left then are these individuals and i hate to use the term because i don't like calling anybody up but are the brains broken you are they psychologically damaged somehow or were they born this way to it does does

hide or anyone else even go into that oh absolutely and you know it's interesting you know uh one of the couple of my colleagues that i worked with for several years on on kind of bridging the device she know is working down in ashland really doing group therapy for the people trying trying to get them to tone down uh you know their their reactants to these things and trying to get them to have a little bit more empathy uh because like i said it's a huge lift uh and again we were both when we were working together we did we did all kinds of talks and and and community conversations and film night to try and get these folks uh you know to be more sensible about this stuff and it really has gotten nowhere which is why you know john

Jonathan Haidt himself kind of gave up on this several years ago. And I want to be clear, he was a man of the left who wrote the book that's explaining, and he was kind of shocked then at what he discovered in his studies of this. Yes, and actually, you know, and again, I've been a bit critical of height because he has decided to not really talk about these things for the simple reason. He teaches at New York University. Oh. You know, and he is very concerned about, and I've had correspondence with him,

He's very concerned about being canceled and being, you know, demonized as, you know, as this happened to so many academics who don't tow the kind of the progressive lines. He's in a difficult spot, so he doesn't really talk about these things so much anymore, which is one of the reasons why I decided I was going to publish this little piece was I think it's important to go back to some of the things, some of his findings, because they really do inform, you know, how we look at these things. do we have any kind of conclusion about how to reach and to tamp down the violent tendencies and the just agitating tendencies which will accomplish nothing but just cause more divisiveness in our culture any thoughts on that rob well i think the only thing that you can do is apply cognitive behavioral therapy which again you know my former colleague marla estes i think is doing down you know down in ashland on a you know group small group basis but at the macro level. I don't see a lot of hope for it. We talked about this last time. I think, you know,

you've got a lot of Christians. One of the things where we went on this in this conversation last time was, I think you suggested, you know, you were talking about the group up in Portland that was having big prayer rallies. Yeah, there needs to be some kind of psychological jolt to these folks to kind of wake them up and they need to be in a position where they are teachable, where they can learn the value. Now, I, and I speak for myself, I am not a conservative, certainly not by nature. And yet I have through education, through studying these things, and just through, again, a kind of cognitive, you know, behavioral therapy, I have now grown to deeply appreciate what George Will calls the kind of conservative sensibility. And that

conservative sensibility comes from these other moral foundations, authority, loyalty, sanctity, the traditional kind of American values. I think people need to, to learn that. And again, going back to Charlie Kirk, to me, this was the great, this is the reason why he was so successful on campuses, because kids growing up, especially in a state like Oregon, where the education, the education system in Oregon is deeply committed to this progressive kind of care, fairness, orientation. Well, at the expense of everything else, the loyalty, authority, or sanctity aspect of psychology. Exactly. For culture. What Charlie was doing is Charlie was appealing to these other things. And young people whose minds are still being formed.

Again, you know, our brains don't fully develop until we're into our 20s. Older high school kids, college age kids, these are the people that can still form these moral foundations that are necessary. And Charlie was doing that. I think that's why there was such a positive reaction amongst some people. He was definitely having an effect. We need more of that kind of thing. We really need to go after young people, which gets back to why I turned my efforts a few years ago to education. We have got to do something about what's going on in elementary education and in junior highs and especially in high schools.

And I know conservatives and Republicans are just not doing much about this issue right now. It puzzles me why that is because if we don't do something about it, it's not enough. to say, let's just send our kids to private schools and homeschools. I know not that parents shouldn't do that if they're sensible about these issues. Nine out of ten Oregon kids are trapped in these schools, and they are going to come out of those schools with a deficient moral perspective, and that's going to cause, you know, damage down the line. We're going to continue to be a very progressive state here in Oregon and make lots of bad decisions because we're not playing with a full moral deck.

That's an interesting way to wrap this up, not playing with a full moral deck. And I even looking on the chart we've been discussing, OregonEd.Info, by the way, is the website, that you look at the political right, and there is less focus on care than there is from the progressive left. And I would tend to agree with that. And that's why, you know, I will tend to remind my conservative friends is that we, you know, we also have to keep our heart open on something as we're espousing fairness and our loyalty and authority and sanctity. Everybody needs to have a, you know, a balanced moral foundation on this thing. But yeah, the state of Oregon is way, way focused on care and so-called fairness. Okay. And so-called fairness defined

as you're just going to believe what we tell you because this person is a victim group. You know, that's how fairness is designed in the state of Oregon. I think conservatives, and again, my criticism of the Trump administration, and it's a gentle criticism, one of the problems is reacting to the left, we lose sight of the fact that the care and fair foundations are important. Two. And they are important also, yes. And the chart that you referenced, and again, I encourage people to download the explainer that I put together. It's got footnotes, you know, the digital version.

It will link to sources. If you look at the chart, if you go from kind of the moderate and conservative kind of center-right, as you move more towards the far right, you see a diminishing of the care and the fairness foundations. I think the conservatives today really need to be careful to not become cold-hearted out of anger towards the left. And some of the languaging and framing of the Trump administration, I think, is in danger of doing that. I mean, I understand it. You know, there's a reason why we have to play a hardball with these people to some extent. But conservatives need to not lose side of all the moral foundation.

They're all important, including the care and the fairness foundation. And you see, you and I are able to talk about this, all right? I appreciate that aspect of it. And we will continue to talk about this. And Rob Schlaffer, I appreciate what you've done there. OregonEd.Info to find out more about this, and it's a really interesting piece about why do we disagree about values and about the new moral foundations explainer. It's all up there on the website, OregonEd.com. We'll have you back.

You'd be well. Thanks, Bill. Appreciate it. Bye-bye. You bet. It's 20 before 9. And you're waking up with the Bill Myers show. So great having you here on Conspiracy Theory Thursday.

But, you know, just like with my Caesar Romero biographer talk, we have to have pallet cleanse. answers here. We talked about all that seriousness. Why are we all fighting? Why can't we get along? And so, well, maybe we go out to the Expo this weekend. Rob Holmreck is here and he's the runner. I guess you're just the guy who runs the whole thing, right? Yep. I'm the manager, yeah. All right. Good to head you back and just wanted to kind of stay close to you and see what's going on. And what do you have for fun this weekend, huh? Well, we have some fun this weekend. We're bringing some of our favorite brews from the last weekend's brew fest to Friday night at 6 o'clock, or 6 o'clock, sorry. for bruise and bingo.

Brews and bingo. We started this, last year we started doing a monthly bingo night at the Expo, and it's been a hit. So we just, we keep doing it. Okay, I had no idea, but it's why you're here. So how much does it cost to actually do the bingo? I don't know if that's. Bingo, we play 12 games, and it's $50. And there's prizes from anywhere from 50 to $100 or more.

Now, the people I know who are into bingo, this is serious. Very serious, yes. I was surprised when we first started. They come, like, there's a group of ladies. They are great. They come every month, and they are serious about their bingo. As a heart attack. Don't get in the way. Don't get in my view of the card or anything else. Okay, you got a deal. So, 50 bucks to do that. And what brews are going to be there? What brewer has do, you know? I forgot to we have some some of the craft brews from Summit beverage

and Western beverage Okay very good So once again Kind of keeping that harvesty It feels sort of feeling then Yeah just want to have some fun Yeah and what about the boxing though Boxing is a superior athletic

Superior Boxing Club Yeah They are putting together it's their club Of Boxing students And they have I think there's eight fights Saturday night at 5 o'clock.

Oh, no, see, here was I thought you were going to have people at the bingo, you know, that, you know, they're angry at the end of it, how it goes, and then they box. Yeah, if you don't win at bingo, come back on Friday, we'll put gloves on you. Come back Saturday, we'll get the gloves on you. Exactly. So, these are a bunch of these boxing students then, it's what you're saying, essentially. Yeah, and I saw a story a couple weeks ago that there's actually a father's son. They're not fighting each other. Uh-huh.

But there's a father's son that are both participating. So it's a big family event. Well, you know, I know that, you know, boxing has been very beneficial for many people, especially, you know, getting some young men sort of focus on something and channeling aggression in a more positive way. And I think this is great. Now, what are the details about this? When does it start?

Boxing on Saturday starts at 5 o'clock. They can get tickets at the expo.com. There's plenty of general admission tickets left. There's a couple ringside seat tables available. You've got to buy the whole table. Yeah. But, you know, it's reasonable. I think it's $15 for a student, $20 for an adult.

All right, very good. And, all right, at least it's not going to be political boxing. No, no political boxing. Although that could be interesting, too. You were to get different politicians together and into the room and whoever wins ends up winning the legislative session. But that's a conversation for another time, right. Hey, what about the, you know, getting into the holiday season? because I know here it is we're almost, I'm seeing Christmas ads coming up already.

I'm not quite ready. We have ours up already. The Expo is all over this kind of stuff, though, isn't it? Yes. We have one of our big events that we put on. The holiday market comes in November, and it's the second weekend of November. Right now, I think that we have 220 vendors going to be there. Yeah.

We use all four buildings at the Expo, so there's plenty of shopping to be done. All right, well, I think that this particular Christmas holiday of all, I think I'm going to be loving on it more than usual, you know, just, yeah, something a little positive. It's been kind of rough out in the greater culture right now, but that's what the expo is for. That's what we're here for. All right. We're here to have fun. So find out more at the expo.com. Absolutely.

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I was trying to mess with it first. Yeah, you got it. So, Calvin, you got it. Two. Two months. Organizes first plan to meet at Wall Street's charging bull statue in one Chase Plaza. Police put up the barricades. Didn't matter. Kept going. The terms 99 in one percenter first coined by the Hells Angel Motorcycle Club. That was popularized by the Occupy Movement too. And of course, we still have the billionaires. The billionaires is still in charge. But yeah, it was two months. And then they were forcibly removed. Doesn't happen often. Oh, poor Brian. He's going to be depressed today. writes the questions. He's always hoping he can get it down to like you go through four or five

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Trying to get to I-5 to go to work. All right. Hey, thanks for that. Rogue River. Okay. Rogue River City. Thanks for letting me know about that, Kathy. Of course, there aren't many ways to get around it other than Highway 99, but gosh, even then, that's limited.

Well, I guess you could get off and, okay. Thanks for the notice there. Brad's here. Brad, we've got a couple of minutes here before Conspiracy Theory Thursday. Stick a fork in me. What's up? Brother Bill, first question, how long was Kamala Harris's campaign, and the clue is it's the title of her book she's trying to sell? I don't know how long the campaign was.

I don't really care, but why? 107 days. How much money did she spend in those 107 days? A bunch, more than a trillion, or a billion, rather, right? One and a half billion dollars. So as of the end of June, the Democrat, and by the way, there's still a lot of debt, all that, all the money she spent has not been paid back yet. So right now is the end of June, the RNC has $80 million on hand compared to only $15 million for the D.N. NC, Democrat National Committee. So right now, as you and I are talking, that the Republican Party has over five times as much cash on hand a year in front of the midterms. There has

never been a time in recent memory where the Democrat Party has been on the ropes as bad financially as they are right now, and we're going to see that manifested in the upcoming midterms. We will see. I would not dance on their grave yet. I would not. I would, I would, I would, I I would be running out there, Brad, as if we were losing nationally and losing hard. Okay? I'm serious. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Well, that's why – and if you look at what Trump is doing, every time Trump does something, what he's doing is he's causing them to spend more money because when you look at these things going on, whether it's indivisible or United Oregon or any of these other, you know, left, you know, southern poverty law center, whoever they are, the money isn't coming from local people. the money is coming from these big pocket donors, but Trump has drilled a gigantic hole in the bottom of the bucket of these people. In other words, we found out all those L.A. riots down there, they were being funded by that Chinese billionaire.

And now we have a declaration of Antifa as a terrorist, domestic terrorist agent. So I'll be interested to see that is a very decentralized group, so I'll be interested to see where that goes. That could be a tough nut to crack, but guardedly optimistic, but run like your losing. That's all I would say, Brad. Okay? I got a roll because Markley, Van Cabin-Robbins are coming up next. Email Bill at Billemeyer Show.com. We'll talk tomorrow.