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Episode Date: September 23, 2025

Morning news and discussion. Later, Dr. Richard Boles – Co-Fonder of NEURONEEDS - We talk aout the autism press conference, and his take on the tylenol issue. He focuses on mitochondrial disfunction as a prime autism cause.

The Bill Myers Show podcast is sponsored by Klausur drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausordrilling.com. It is Pebble in Your Shoe Tuesday. This is the time you can actually join in, join the conversation. I consider it a de-stressing kind of day when things are kind of going wrong and you just want to have a shoulder to, well, not necessarily cry on. just, you know, we try not to cry too much. That's for Jimmy Kimmel, who, by the way, is going to be back on the air tonight.

I imagine he's going to be on Channel 12, right? On KDRV? I think that they're going to be playing him, so that's okay. You know, the world is back to normal. Life will have meaning again, and we'll be laughing. I don't know. I haven't watched Jimmy in so many years. I couldn't even tell you what he does most of the time.

But needless to say, boy, that was a really tough taking to the woodshed. by Disney, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah, that was, but that was really, really harsh. So I guess does this mean that President Trump had nothing to do with it or the FCC had nothing to do with it, which they were saying before? I don't know, I think that there was pressure coming from all sides of this particular thing. And a lot of folks are saying, hey, you know, he's not making a lot of money. Well, he's still not going to be necessarily making a lot of money,

but his ratings will probably be higher for at least tonight, just to hear what he is going to say, I suppose. Anyway, we can join in, talk about that, 7705663-3-770 K-M-E-D. They had a big talk yesterday, the White House or, you know, Capitol Hill, on the autism deal, the autism. And President Trump and the others there suggesting that that Tylenol has some connection. This was foreshadowed. We kind of knew about this. other people. Also, President Trump was talking about the frequency and the combining of vaccinations, all sorts of things.

I was kind of wondering if this was a limited hangout of some sort, kind of like taking baby steps. Now, the New York Times and all the other left wing rags at this point, they are actually reporting this all the same way. President Trump is talking about there. No science connection. No science connection. Well, no, there are some studies. about this, but I guess no science connection means that, you know, the past CDC didn't want to talk about it. I don't know how else to put this, but there have been suspicions about acetaminophen, Tylenol. But I don't know.

I'm going to be talking with a doctor this morning, Dr. Richard Bowles, who's the co-founder of neuro needs. This is a guy that does a lot of neuro work. Probably works on supplements and various other things. and he's been looking at this from mitochondrial is that autism is caused by a mitochondrial dysfunction. Now, what is causing the dysfunction? Are we talking about environmental toxins and various other triggers or genetic predispositions? I don't know.

I'm going to talk to them about it, but at least, you know, they're at least starting to have the conversation about this massive wave of autism. When I was a kid, you never heard about autism. It was just not that big of a deal. And I think the rate was relatively low, 1960s, 1970s. And it's exploded now to the point where they're saying that sometimes one in 20 kids are on the spectrum now. That's a big deal. What's really important, though, are the percentage of people who are severely impacted by autism and that will need full care for their childhood and the rest of their lives.

These are essentially people who are taken out of being productive in life. I'm not saying their life is not worthy. Don't understand it. Don't interpret it that way. But it was to say it is a huge, huge burden on families, and families have been looking for answers for this for a long, long time. Now, I ended up going out on the substack world, and I subscribed to a number of these newsletters,

and they were all over this last night, especially John Leakey and the courageous discourse people, Dr. McCullough. And they had a different way of looking at this one. The exposing the darkness newsletter, Mary Holland, I'm sorry, the lioness of Judah ministry. This is the writer on this one. Trump, Tylenol in the Autism Bombshell. Welcome to the clown show. Uh-oh, they're not impressed here.

Mary Holland warns that the Tylenol talk is a side show, the real, fight is vaccines in the hidden safety data and she continues here so here we are another big announcement hyped up as a make America healthy again big win but this time it's Tylenol taking the blame but Mary Holland who is a president and CEO of children's health defense that was RFK Jr's group there Tylenol is not what's driving this autism epidemic vaccines are driving this epidemic her warning was clear the Tylenol chatterer might be nothing more than a side show. Meanwhile, the real issue, the vaccines and the U.S. governments locked away safety data continues to sit in the shadows. Tylenol is not what is

driving it. And she just warned that Trump and RFKs could be just something to distract this. Tylenol is toxic to the liver. Babies can't metabolize it. But vaccines are what need to be focused on. Vaccines have aluminum. They have mercury. They have polysorbid 80. They have all sorts of things. formaldehyde that they cannot metabolize and cannot detox from that. Okay. Speaking of the aluminum, well, President Trump did address that in that press conference yesterday. And Nicholas Holscher from the courageous discourse substack, and that's the same people, McCullough people, says that aluminum removal from vaccines underway. So that kind of is a big deal. as Trump said yesterday, who the hell wants that pumped into a body?

We're having them taken out of the vaccines. And President Trump stated that they will be removing aluminum from vaccines. We've already taken out and are in the process of taking out mercury and aluminum. You know what aluminum is? Who the hell wants that pumped into a body? Which is what President Trump said. We're having them taken out. Five studies have linked aluminum containing vaccines to asthma, autism, and sudden infant death syndrome.

Okay, so five studies about this, and according to physicians for informed consent up to 22 doses of aluminum-containing vaccines are administered from birth to 18 years of age, hepatitis B, the D-TAP and T-DAP, and pneumococcal, hepatitis A, the human papillomavirus, meningococcal B, and also pedvax-hib. I don't know how to pronounce that. I'm sorry about this, but Hamophilus, influenza type B. Did I get that right? I don't know. Apologies, because I'm not a physician. But anyway, the takeaway from this one is that Big Pharma will be forced to develop safer alternatives for a large proportion of the current vaccine schedule.

So that would strike me as a win, right? now you're wondering why would they put aluminum and mercury into a vaccine well mercury for a long time was used as a preservative i still don't know if it's being used as a preservative aluminum was about there was about uh what they call an adjuvant now an adjuvant for the way it's been explained to me is a chemical in vaccines which are there to irritate or someone say stimulate the immune system so that you get a better reaction to it. On the other hand, though, there's been all talks about aluminum being a problem in the

American diet. Some claimant there is an aluminum dementia and Alzheimer's disease kind of connection. Some people have been making that case for a number of years. So, yeah, to force-feed it into the bloodstream of infants, probably not the best plan. But President Trump did address this. now now this one is from uh john leek i talked with john leake a few weeks ago and i'm probably going to get him back on for another go round about this he wrote the book with dr mccullough

about the vaccines and john writes while the president and hHS secretary also spoke about the suspect of large vaccine bundles administered to infants and this is the combining of of vaccines and one of the things that has been a problem for the Children's Defense Fund and vaccine critics is that they'll test various vaccines. And then they'll say these vaccines, okay, the hepatitis vaccine is, or the measles vaccine is an example, is perfectly safe. And the Mumps vaccine is perfectly safe. And the Rubella is perfectly or safe and effective. You know, there's always risks, but, you know, risk versus reward.

But what they never do is test the vaccines with all three. three or four of them put together. You're having a whole lot of different irritations in potah and possible reactions. They don't test, especially testing with real placebos against the combinations. They'll just say, well, the measles one's okay, so you can mix it with five others, and it's fine too. And so you can see why there could be some issues in there. Now, what John Leak was saying, continuing with what he was saying in his post last night, at the McCullough Foundation, we are currently performing an exhaustive investigation of autism.

We've carefully examined Tylenol, and we have found little evidence to warrant regarding it as a prime suspect. Interest in purported Tylenol Autism Link has recently been peaked within the same institutions that have long vehemently denied that autism is linked to childhood vaccination. Thus, the totality of circumstances suggest that Tylenol is more of a red herring than a true suspect. When you actually look at the autism statistics there, there does seem to be a jumping off point when the explosion of autism occurred. And that was after 1986, which was the passage of the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act,

which gave Big Pharma a pass, create as many vaccines as you want, and then there was a huge explosion in the number of vaccines that children were given. The vaccine schedule from the CDC got larger and larger and larger. And now there are several dozen shots given to kids by the time they are 18. and now I know that I lived in the dark ages of the 1960s when I first started going to school, 1967.

And I remember there was polio and I think you got, gosh, I think you got a smallpox vaccine back at that time. I think that was the one in the gun with the scab that would fall off. Correct me if I'm wrong about that. But we only really had a handful of them, just a handful, and that was about it. and there are just, there's just been a huge increase in this. And maybe what the Trump administration did yesterday was the limited hangout in order to kind of spur the baby steps into having a more complete look at it. You know, once you get the camel nose into the tent and kind of force the door open,

maybe that's where this is going. I'm just raising the possibility of nothing else. If you have an opinion on that, just let me know. but I will talk with Dr. Richard Bowles about that. He's looking at it from the mitochondrial side of things, so I'm looking forward to that conversation one way or the other. This is the Bill Meyer show on KMED. It's 623.

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Before I get to the phone calls, wow, what a night. I ended up getting news released last night for the Jackson County Sheriff's Department. Five suspects. Single night. Dui's. Saturday night ended up being a big night

for self-medicating here in southern Oregon. A vehicle crashes in a ditch near the intersection of Antioch and Dodge. Point two-oh, the 34-year-old driver, ended up blowing. Gold Hill Bridge. Another one. Weaving through traffic.

Crater Lake Avenue, Saturday night. Pull the car over on Delta Water Speedway. That's what I call that in my way. And a 49-year-old male. Blood alcohol, 0.09. 917. There's another one calling 911, telling dispatchers too drunk to drive

in the area of Tremont Street and White City. So they pick up a 22-year-old man. Point two, four. Holy molly. And the final due of Saturday night near 1130, traffic stop, Tolo Road, Central Point, and impairment of a 35-year-old female. Huh. Supposedly, 0% blood alcohol, but they say that's not consistent with her level of impairment.

So it could have been a DUI with drugs instead. I don't know. I couldn't help but notice that given this was another Charlie Kirk kind of Memorial weekend, people kind of bummed out. I've just throwing something out there. Could it be some self-medicating? I don't know. Back on acetaminopin, though. Acetaminephine, autism link.

Some people are saying, yep, there's an issue there. Other people saying they're not. Steve's in Sunny Valley. What are you saying this morning? Welcome. Good day have you on. My father was a pharmacist, and he, He said that Tylenol killed people when mixed with coating.

People would get addicted to the coating, and the Tylenol would kill her liver in a year and a half taken as prescribed, because it's only supposed to be taken for a short period of time, and Tylenol is toxic to the liver. And if you drank, it was quicker. And once your liver's gone, it doesn't come back. Yeah, I've heard similar stories there, too. What do they call those NSAIDs, non-steroidal, anti-inflammatory drugs? You know, like the Tylenols, like the ibuprofen, they are not risk-free.

Wasn't there a baseball player back in the 1980s in the Seattle area? I remember blew his liver out, or maybe it was a football player, blew his liver out with ibuprofen. Maybe that was kidneys. That could be kidneys, right? I'm not sure about the ibuprofen. We switched to it when my father told me about the Tylenol, and it's probably just as bad. But, of course, aspirin, natural substance pretty much comes from tree bark, but it upset your stomach and eats holes in the lining your stomach. So hydration, maybe?

I suppose so. I suppose so. You know, the thing is, though, it's been well known that acetaminophen to excess, you're right, does blow out the liver, bad things, and, yeah, you mix it with coating. But you used the specific point there that limited time, a limited time that you use this for a particular case. You know, you have a fever, whatever it is. The issue, though, is this a problem for a developing baby inside a mother at that time? That seems to be the connection they're trying to make. And they've been doing acetamin, what, since the early 1960s, if I recall correctly, if you had to go back?

Well, doesn't aspirin turn the baby's teeth brown when they're in utero? I don't know about that. I'm sorry, I've not heard that one. That's a new one. Things affect placenta at much smaller doses than they do adults or even children. So that could be the connection then they're thinking between acetaminopin and a potential link to autism. By the way, there is no talk about acetaminophen autism link being the, only possible cause i don't think anyone was making that case but it was i don't think so yeah i don't think

so but but the the fact that the people promoting this are the ones who are trying to say that it's not vaccine is suspect yeah yeah and i i would agree with you that bottom line and it could be a lot of stuff going on now the one thing that is is good about this is that trump administration said, hey, and that could be the cover for, hey, we're getting the nasty adjuvants out of the vaccines. We're going to take the aluminum out of it. We're no longer going to be injecting aluminum pans into the bloodstream of the babies. Right, right. Kickstart on the Alzheimer's. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, we need to get the dementia patients early, right? You know,

hit them as soon as they pop out. But it'll be really interesting. You know, they're talking about it, though. And let me put it this way, the proper hissy-fitters are hissie-fitting right now, which kind of tells you, yes, some oxes are being gourd right now. Although the maker of Tylenol, their stock went up 5 or 6% this morning. It's what I heard, at least all the futures. So who knows? Oh, boy. Well, I can't wait to hear what Lynn says about this.

Yeah, I know that Lynn will probably give us a call this morning because he's been a big children's defense of folk. So we'll see what she has to say, okay? Hey, thanks a much. All right. Yep. See you, Steve. It's 630 at KMED. Dr. Richard Bowles will join me.

He's the co-founder of neuro needs. We'll have a little talk. He's looking at autism from a different point of view, more about mitochondrial dysfunction. And we'll try to find out more about what that is all about after news. Next. American Industrial Door has security and storm shutters. And West is an equal opportunity employer.

You're hearing the Bill Myers Show. on 1063 KMED. Dr. Richard Boulds joins me. He is the founder of Neuroneeds, LLC, Neuroneeds.com, along with a lot of other websites. He's a practicing pediatrician, an MD. And, gosh, on top of that, let's see. So you went to UCLA Medical School, right?

Let me just talk about your modifies first here, doctor. Welcome to the show. Good morning. Yes, I did go to UCLA Medical School in Los Angeles. Okay. And then you got your genetics training at Yale? Is that where you ended up going? Yeah.

I did pediatrics at a UCLA hospital, and then I studied genetics at Yale to become a clinical geneticist. All right. So a clinical geneticist, a pediatrician, MD, and you have been down the rabbit hole of autism for decades from the sounds of it. Could you tell us a little bit about your practice and how often you're dealing with this as a pediatrician? Well, I'm a pediatrician, but I'm mostly practicing as a geneticist. I have been treating literally autism for 30 years now. I started off at Children's Hospital, Los Angeles, as part of USC, and now I'm in private practice. I see most of the patients I see are neurodevelopmental patients that have autism or intellectual

disability or seizure disorders or ADHD, that sort of a patient. usually they have more than one of those problems. What is your overall impression of what happened yesterday in the White House with the talk about acetaminophen and possible link to autism? And there was also talk about removing aluminum and some of the more toxic adjuvants from the vaccine schedule and maybe even busting up vaccines and not combining them and relaxing the schedule. What is your overall take on it from your practice's point of view?

But there's a community of physicians that I'm a member of that we could be considered to be functional medicine doctors or MAPS doctors. You can look at that at medmaps.org or that we're integrated practitioners. We've been around for decades, and we have conferences. I just spoke at one recently on both coasts. We've been doing this for decades. We've been treating autism with natural compounds. for the most part, but also with other treatments. The things that were discussed today, yesterday at the White House, were nothing new to those

of us in the community. There have been concerns that, acidometamine, which is Tylen, which is Tylenol in the United States, vaccines and vitamin deficiencies, such as folate during pregnancy, aluminum, all this. The community has concerns about this. From my standpoint, I'm a moderate. it. Autism is extremely common and it's very, very complex, and it's for most people with autism, at least the ones I see, it's very severe in life-altering, and we need to get to the bottom with

the problem is. And these are all reasonable hypothesis, none of which have been proven at this time, but I applaud the White House and this administration for at least getting the word out to people that these are potential issues that need to be studied. more. I think the bottom line is that we need, this is important for our society, we need to put some money into it to study. Are these real? It may be only one is real and the others are not, but if that's the case, that's very important. So I want to be clear of what I'm hearing from you then, if I interpret this correctly, is that the White House is not necessarily bringing anything new to the autism community itself, but the very fact that they're even

talking about it in that bully pulpit session, you know, that kind of a bully pulpit pulpit, maybe that is the big revolutionary side of this right now? Maybe that's a way of looking at it, like it's the real start. That's what I agree on that completely. With the caveat, there's a lot of people treating autism out there that's never heard about these things. A lot of physicians out there, a lot of pediatricians believe that autism's not treatable. But I've been treating it for 30 years, and not every child gets better, no doubt, but most of them have improved to some degree and some of them improved dramatically.

I want to talk about some of those treatments you do a little bit later on in here, and we'll dig into that. But first off, what kind of numbers are we talking about? Because when I was a kid growing up in the 1960s and 70s, you never heard anything, doctor, about autism. And now we had no internet, et cetera, et cetera. It took a lot longer to find any kind of information down at the public library and such. But what is the difference between then and now? and still, I know it's not, you know, correlation isn't causation, but didn't the autism explosion really happen after the vaccine law was passed in the late 1980s giving the pass

to a pharma as far as a liability? Any thoughts on that? Well, there's a lot of good questions in there, and they have different answers to some degree. I'm going to try to remember as many of your questions. Okay, I'm sorry, yeah, I did throw a lot at you. That wasn't fair. First of all, talk about the explosion and autism. That is somewhat controversial. Many people in the government believe that autism has always been around and that it's simply better recognized today because people have heard about it and children that were called mentally retarded, which we now call intellectual disability or other labels, are now given an autism label and that it's really not more common. And then there's people like myself that are in the trenches as pediatricians that are saying, you know, we just didn't see these kids 20 years ago, 30 years ago. occasionally, yes, but not to the degree that we're seeing them now. I don't care what label they

were under, if they were intellectual disability or learning disability, or just they had no label at all. We just are seeing far more than we did before. So certainly there's better recognition, but also on top of that, I think that it's increasing dramatically, and that's another thing that we need to study more. Because we're seeing like very serious autism some cases, quite commonly known, the type of people who, the type of children who will really never be functional in society in any kind of normal way. And is that a fair way of looking at that? Yes.

I mean, as a physician, I don't see the quirky kid that's likely to become a billionaire or something like that. I see the ones that are more severe. And I see far, far more than that I did before. And these kids were always going for pediatric care. But you're right. There's a lot more on the severe side. In terms of what the cause is, I lecture all over the world. There was recently in India, Saudi Arabia, Europe. Other countries are seeing the explosion that we are, but a bit behind, a decade or two behind. In Europe, it's at about the same pace. There's something about industrialization. I mean, you could say it might be vaccines, and I don't have any proof that it is or it isn't. It's worthy of study.

You can say that it might be Tylenol. And again, there's no proof that it is or there isn't. studies in both directions. But if it is Tylenol, considering how many pregnant women are getting it, that's something we really need to know about immediately. It could be the heavy metals that are in our food supply or the plastics that we take in, or the air pollution. Could it even be the, some have theorized that glyphosate, the round-uping of the food supply, may have some contribution? Or do you think? Well, pesticides is one of the areas, one of the things, including that particular one that the autism community is concerned about. But the point is that there's many, we can point the fingers in many different directions,

but we really don't know. And I guess the question would be is who, you know, given when you're talking about environmental toxins, possible food issues, perhaps even genetic issues that are going around here, where's your control group if you've all been living and eating and drinking the same things, doctor? that would be a tough study, wouldn't it? How do you control over that? When I publish studies, the control group is always the main problem. There is no such thing as normal. There never has been, but there certainly is not now, and that makes it very difficult. I mean, you mentioned the genetics. The genetics is a major

component of it. Most of the patients that I see have genetic abnormalities that I can find. I do hold genome sequencing on all of my patients, including the parents. And about half of them have mutations that were not there in the parents, and that is the major cause of autism. But that doesn't mean that autism is entirely genetic, and we can't do anything about it. Number one, I mean, genetics turns on genes and off genes. Right. It's not causing disease. It's causing risk for disease.

So the environment still makes a huge difference. The other thing is, where are all these new mutations coming from? Presumably, they're coming from mutations that occurred because of some sort of. sort of chemical interfered with the DNA. And that goes right back to the environment again. I read a study that was not connected with autism, but it got me thinking about what you talked about with mitochondrial dysfunction. And we'll dig into that here in just a minute.

But they were talking about cell phone radiation, the radiation, which is permitted by the FCC and the federal regulators, just the normal cell phone regulation. or radiation was somehow connected to a higher prevalence of some genetic abnormalities. So we could be looking at all sorts of things in our environment that may be doing an inadvertent triggers and breaking down and problems in our genetics. Would that be fair when you think about that kind of stuff? Well, I think it's fair to say that there are thousands of different things that are in our environment that are different than what our grandparents went through.

Exactly. And that environment is extremely important. and controlling genetics, modulating genetics, and it's a major part in disease by itself, and that autism is a major problem, whether you believe it's exploding or not, and we need to get to the bottom of the problem. All right. Now, could you tell us what mitochondrial dysfunction is and how it's connected with autism? This is your theory, what you've been working on for decades now.

Well, I've been working on it with other people, too. It's not just my theory, but I am one of the proponents of this. The mitochondria are the engines of the cell. They are the power plants inside our cells that make the vast majority of the energy, like over 95% of the energy. And energy is life. All cells need energy to do just about everything. So if the cells don't have energy, they are predisposed towards having pretty much almost

any disorder you can think of. But neurological disorders are number one, because the brain requires a tremendous amount of energy for its small weight. It's only about 2% of the weight of an adult. but it's about 25% of the energy requirements. And in a kid, it can be 50% of the energy requirements with the entire body at times. So the mitochondria can affect every cell in the body,

but it predominantly affects the nervous system, including the brain. We're seeing in multiple studies that the vast majority of people anywhere near the autistic spectrum, including intellectual disability, epilepsy, et cetera, ADHD even, have mitochondrial dysfunction. That means their cells are just not making energy in the proper way.

And for 30 years, I've been treating autism and these other disorders with vitamins and minerals and other parts, what we call the mitochondrial cocktail, natural substances that are mixed together to help the mitochondria work better and to detoxify the mitochondria that's not working as well. And I've had some dramatic successes. And I was wondering you to talk about this, because there have been many people, other within yourself, theorizing the American diet and the environmental influences of our diet, which doesn't surprise me then that Europe perhaps is just a little bit, you know, behind us in

such problems in the diet. But, you know, what happens? Give me some examples of what has happened. You know, we have someone who is severely autistic and what kind of improvements have you been able to see with certain types of supplement treatment. Okay. You asked complex questions, but I think I got this one. First of all is that the – I'm sorry, I lost it.

The first part of that was – Yeah, I guess, you know, and that is it because my mind is sitting here flying at 100 miles an hour when I talk with you, and that's why the questioning is more complex than it should be. Okay. Give me an example of someone who came in to your clinic, a child brought in with a severe autism, who ended up being improved by supplementation. And could you give me an example of that? And what changed and what did you give them as an example?

Okay, well, there's an example of Emma, and she has given me her permission to use her name. In fact, when I give lectures, I show her photo and everything. She has had a diagnosis of autism since she was in first grade. And when she was in middle school, she had a cold, just like everyone else is a viral infection in the family, and she lost all of her skills and became like an infant in terms of her behavior and her intellectual abilities. Oh, boy.

She could do nothing at all. She had some improvement. She went to the kindergarten level, but she was in the seventh grade. And we did hold gentleman sequencing on her and figured out that she had abnormalities of leaks of getting salt, such as sodium across the, and calcium in particular. into the brain. And so she was put on supplements, the mitochondrial cocktail to give the power to pump all that calcium and that sodium out, and potassium, which is complicated, but basically, you can think of it as chasing the sodium out. She was also only given one drug, Diomox, and that chases potassium

into the cell, so it helps the supplementation. And she woke up completely. She's now a normal student in an out-of-state college doing well. Wow. And you know, you don't hear about cases like that very often, though, but, you know, for someone who was sixth or seventh grade and then taken back down to a kindergarten intellect and then in college now, that shows that they're... Her intellect went back to grade level. She not only, I mean, she was sick for a couple years.

She not only regained her skills, but she got back to grade level. very rapidly. Now, when you go to a conventional MD, let's say, you know, in town, anybody goes into town or someplace in their particular locale, would they have recognized the problem that you did, that you did, doctor, in your practice? No, they went in to have them. She went to many doctors. And I'm not saying anything against them. I mean, I routinely look at the entire DNA sequence and I know how to read it. So that's the major advantage that I have that they simply don't have. The other thing is that a lot of pediatricians out there are taking care of autism believe that autism is not treatable, that you really can't do

anything other than education, behavioral modification, and that is something that I strongly believe against. And for 30 years, I've been treating it. And I have many other remarkable stories like that. But, I mean, to be honest, that's maybe 10%. That's still a lot. But I would say over 75% improve to some degree, improve enough that the parents say I want to stay with the treatment. Some don't improve at all. There's no doubt about that. There's some cases we still can't. Autism is very, very complicated, and the treatment is often individualized based upon what the genes are in each individual. Dr. Richard Bowles once again, and he is a physician and co-founder of Neuroneeds, LLC, Neuroneeds.com. We'll put that information up there. Needless to say, one of the key facts of

treating this, though, because we're talking about treating it after it. it's already occurred, though, is a full genetic scan, right? I mean, you're just digging into the genome with a fine-tooth comb, so to speak, right? That's what you do. Well, on the computer, I have literally 3 billion nucleotides or base pairs of the DNA code, and I use AI to go through that, but a lot of it is just picking for DNA sequences myself as well. Now, in Emma's case, as an example, were you able to, through that screening, able to understand, understand why a common cold ended up shoving her into such severe autism?

Yes, I actually understand the process. It's really complex, but it's basically that the mitochondria are working overtime to pump all of those salts, like sodium and calcium out. And so she went to mitochondrial dysfunction. And with mitochondrial dysfunction, the brain is the most sensitive part so that her brain, I mean, went into a severe disease that then took months to repair once we figured out what the problem was. In Emma's case, it apparently looked like a cure, but is it a greater cure for many with autism? How would you evaluate that?

Well, it's not a cure because as soon as she takes those off the supplements, she's going to go back to where she was before. It'll be another viral illness. And it is, so it's another example of, it's really not a matter of curing it, but it's kind of managing it, is that what we're doing with Emma and others like her? It's like you have diabetes. I mean, you're going to die if you don't take insulin. As long as you take your insulin, you're managed. It doesn't mean other things are not going to happen, but you can manage the disease.

I mean, autism, if you find the cause of it, many, causes, I should say, many times it's manageable, but you have to keep that management going, yes. Are there any particular groups of, let's say, races or ethnicity, who are more likely to suffer from autism? Has there been a study like that at all? I'm not sure of the studies, but from what I've seen as the equal opportunity offender, all over the world, people of all different colors and races and creeds equally can get autism. I think it's a degree of industrialization and that it's behind in some countries as their industrialization. started at a later date. So the more industrialization, the more probably environmental load you're talking about, and the potential then for the breaking of the genome of the human genes that we have?

Well, that is, you know, the theory of myself and several other people, including Richard Frye, who's been in the news lately regarding the leucoborin philinic acid issue. He's the co-author on the papers that I have done. and, I mean, in terms of the genetics of autism and also the treatment of autism. Now, President Trump mentioned that drug. What was that drug again, that you just said, leucoborin is one of the names. It is folinic acid. It is a type of folate or folic acid.

It can also be called a derivative of vitamin B-9. Okay. All right. So that was mentioned or brought up as a possible treatment. So I guess you'd be okay with that, too, wouldn't you? Well, most of my patients are on that. I mean, I have had some patients that have dramatically improved, but those are far and few between. Many patients have gotten better to some degree, so I stay on it, and many patients that have not improved.

But I think it's worth trying in patients because you don't know which ones are going to improve and how much. It's one of many treatments that are out there now. Yeah, doctor, in Emma's case, how long did it take before you settled on that type of supplemental treatment and how quickly did she regain function? Well, when I saw her, I suspected that it was a channelopathy or an abnormal channel. When I just first saw her, because I'd seen other patients that were very similar, and I had put her on treatment immediately even before we got the DNA results back. The DNA results back confirmed what I thought, and she had already been getting better.

It took, I think, probably a year or so for her to regain. all of her skills, but I think within weeks that she was quite improved. Boy, considering that most of the medical community probably would have condemned Emma, just, hey, really sorry, but it's going to be special needs education for you for the rest of your life, you know, that kind of thing. That's amazing. Now, you had some double-blind clinical studies of some of what you've offered through your practice. Isn't that right? Yes. Well, I've been using vitamins and minerals and antioxidants and other natural substances to help the mitochondria and autism literally for 30 years. And they have worked really well, but they're difficult to do

because you're talking about 30, 40 different active ingredients that the patient has to take and that the parent has to make them take and they have to buy and they have to mix together and everything. So with two other partners, we formed neuro needs eight years ago when we made spectrum needs, which is 33 different active ingredients mixed together. That plus Q needs, which is a type of coenzyme Q10, which is a very powerful, it's important to move electrons to actually make energy in the mitochondria. That's what was tested in a double-blind placebo control study. In other words, the patients were either on placebo, which looked and tasted and smelled the same, or they were on the active supplement. And they didn't know, but including

the doctor knew which one, half were on one, half were on the other, and everyone crossed over to the other group. So everyone got placebo and everyone got active substance. And the ones on the active substance improved quite dramatically. It was a small study, but there was dramatic and statistically significant improvement. Language improved, behavior improved, socialization improved, parental stress decreased, and on top of that our studies of the mitochondria showed that the mitochondrial function didn't completely normalized, but went a long distance towards being more normal in the patients.

The ones on placebo made no gains at all. In fact, many of them got worse because the disease was getting worse during the period of time, presumably. But the vast majority of those on treatment got better, and overall the study was quite positive. We're now working with the FDA to try to do the next step of a larger study and to try to get approval as an autism treatment as well. Okay.

Okay, and where could parents that maybe have an autistic child or know someone who does? Where might you be able to get that? Neuroneeds.com. Right now it's something that you have to buy yourself. Insurance won't pay for it, unfortunately, in the vast majority cases, because this is new and the FDA hasn't approved it yet, but we're working on that. Okay. And, of course, this is about trying to fix what has already been broken.

Long-term, though, do you think we'll be successful in drilling down to the point where we stopped breaking the gene? that end up developing autism and various other spectrum disorders? I think we have to, or society is going to collapse. It's now one in 30 that have autism. It was one in thousands when I did medical school. If this keeps going on, I mean, you can just imagine what might happen if you have, you know, a third of the population having neurodevelopmental disorders. Pediatrician, Dr. Richard Bowles, co-founder of Neuroneeds LLC.

We'll get that information up there. I appreciate your time on this one. So the overall takeaway from what happened in the White House, maybe just consider it a start. Would that be fair? This is a start, and we get this ball rolling, hopefully better. I think, to put it in a nutshell, there are doctors out there that have known about this for a while.

Not all doctors know about that. And the White House got out the information that we have known for a while. And the bottom line is that we have more that we don't know than what we know. But even with that, there are treatments that work today. Dr. Richard Bowles, once again, a pediatrician and, of course, a geneticist. It is 658. Doctor, thank you for being on the show this morning. Really appreciate it.

Good time. You're welcome. Thank you for giving me the opportunity. And next time, when I talk to you next time, I'll try to be less complex on the questions. One thing at a time. Okay. All right. Okay.

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Jay's here. Jay, I guess you called in right as I was hanging up with the doctor, Dr. Bowles. We were talking about supplementation and his research in mitochondrial dysfunction. And what did you want to ask him if you'd have the chance? And I might forward a question or two to him. Okay. I have heard the theory that the mitochondria not metabolizing oxygen the way it normally does causes the cells to go into survival mode, and then it grabs glucose and nitric oxide in it

and that there's this argument that that's the, it leads to cancer or mutations. So then that argument says that, well, you don't need to kill the cell. You just need to re-oxygenate it, you know, like forced hyperbaric oxygen. Oh, yeah. I'll tell you what, I will see if I can pop. I will take your notes. I'll go through that when I get off the air this morning, and then I'll forward it on and see what he has to say. The second question is a lot more simple.

It's what does he, what would he say about the argument that, or, the reason epigenetics was founded is because it's the environment that's screwing up our DNA and not predisposition from your parents. But there's more of a percentage of the environment than the disposition of your parents' genes. I will certainly put that down there. Great question. Thank you. Great question.

Thank you very much. I appreciate that. Gene's here too. Hello, Gene. How are you? Welcome. Well, by God, I'm still alive, but you better regret it. I'm glad you're here, all right.

I'm glad everybody's here, even if we disagree on something. But what's on your mind, huh? Well, I just see something on YouTube, of course, and it was a brain surgeon who's now turned religious, that he mapped the human brain. And he said, I tried to figure out what the parts of the brain does what. And he found out that all the brain, except for a little bit of short-term memory, all it did would go to your five senses. That's all it did was let you see, let you hear, let you taste, let you smell.

In other words, this surgeon is going down the point that the brain is more or less the translator to the soul or to the essence, right? Yeah, it is. Yeah, it's not the soul. But what you said is true. But, yeah, he went on to say, you know, after seeing this and all the work I've done on brain surgery, which, of course, I haven't made anybody any better because the brain can only do thousands of many small things that is basically if that's worthless organ that's so you can see, so you can walk, it's for balance and simple things like that. Something you might have in your electric car.

You know, it's interesting because a lot of the transhumanists, you know, the high-tech pros that are talking and waxing poetically about, uploading their brain into artificial intelligence and they will live forever. There's plenty of room. They could put it in there. Yeah. I imagine. So, but I guess what I'm getting at here is that how do you upload a soul into a computer? Well, you can't.

I mean, the soul's only here. When you're first born, it enters the body, it takes over the body, and it controls the body, and it gives you your common sense that everybody's looking for. Well, that's the soul that has that, and all the long-term memory from lifetimes back, that's the soul. All right. Appreciate the call, as always. And stay here, Gene. 7705-633.

Let me go to the next line. It's Pebble in your shoe Tuesday. Good morning. Who's this? I'm Bill. Hi, it's Dave. Hi, Dave. How are you?

So I'm good. Look, that really fascinating discussion this morning. I'm glad you enjoyed it. With the doctor, I think he's excellent. Like, I will pick on your last caller a little bit. I think that's part of the problem we have with medicine and science now is, you know, you go to YouTube and you watch a video and then you come on and you say, you know, things like that. I don't really think that, you know, I'm not really a proponent.

He's the guy's entitled to his opinion. But, you know, I, what the doctor had to say it was fascinating. Like, I'll just say this. I think in terms of Tylenol, you know, I appreciate the approach. that they took, like you said, is to start. Tylenol has been around for a long time. There's billions and billions and billions of doses that have been given. You know, if there's a cause and effect here, if there's causation,

there's enough patients out there that they're going to find it, you know, pretty quick. Yes. Like any other drug, like any other compound, if you overuse it or misuse it, there's going to be side effect. You know, you want something without side effects, you know, have a glass of water. Well, don't have too many glasses of water. water. Don't have too many glasses of water, though. Same thing. Yeah, I still think that, you know, I'm liking JFK Jr., a little bit more every day. I don't agree with everything, but, you know,

he's clearly got the children and the people of America in mind, you know, by raising these things. But I think at the end of the day, you've got to go back to our culture and our diet. The American diet is between processed foods and sugar and simple carbs and artificial sweeteners and all it's just, it's going to cause, causing just this. You know, Dave, one of the people, you know, when you talk about American farming techniques and the industrialized farming, which of course has been wonderful because it's been able to feed the world, so I'm not trying to throw everything out with this. but the one thing that is that is known is that you know how we're always told in the United States

that eating pasta eating wheat makes you fat right that's the pretty common thing you know that you go to Italy because everything there it's GMO free they don't use Roundup to dry their wheat when they do this you eat pasta all the time in Italy and you don't get fat and you don't have the metabolic syndrome, but you do here. Bill, you were reading last year, and like I said, I don't eat a lot of bread or I don't eat a lot of simple carbs over here. Yeah. It's because I feel like I'm healthier and I feel better, okay, and there are some other things.

But when we were in Italy, we ate bread and pasta all the time, and you're right, and I will add this about the Italians, they know how to make pasta. They sure do. Once you start eating pasta over there, everywhere you go, you're like, we overcook everything in America because all their pasta is perfectly authentic. But you're right. It did not have the same effect on me. So I think that's a big problem, but I'm glad we're talking about it.

And again, thanks for a great discussion. Dave, I appreciate the call. Thank you for the thoughtfulness. All right, we'll check Town Hall News here in just a moment, and then continue. It is Pebble in your shoe Tuesday, 7705-633. When it comes to your...