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The Bill Meyer Show podcast is sponsored by Klausur drilling. They've been leading the way in southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausordrilling.com. Here's Bill Meyer. Welcome to Conspiracy Theory Thursday on September 25th, 2025, 58 degrees. Not quite as warm as yesterday, upper 80s. And we're still going to be a little bit warmer than usual until really about Monday. And then we start getting into the cooler and rainier.

Well, kind of like the switch gets flipped into fall. Join the conversation at 7705-633-770K-M-E-D email Bill at Billmeyer's show.com. The big national news here yesterday, shooting at the ice facility in Dallas, and that was like we had first mentioned that yesterday morning. But it was kind of a fluid situation at that point, and one detainee in the ice fan was killed and the two others heard. and the person you know the person who was doing the shooting

I think we can pretty much say well was at this point it's kind of looking like you know it was Joshua John a 29 year old they're still trying to figure out more about him except he did have the standard thing anti-ice you know messages written on

the rifle rounds and so other than that don't know a whole lot I think it's kind of ironic that we have someone who is anti-ice and that ends up killing some of the people being detained by ICE. The general consensus at this point,

now, of course, consensus doesn't necessarily mean right, but the talk is that not particularly skilled shooting that it looked like it was kind of just a random thing going into it. No ice people, you know, hurt at this point from what we can tell. But it seems kind of ironic to say, okay, you're against immigration and customs enforcement, and then you're shooting the people that were actually in the van.

Maybe that was intentional. We don't know. We really don't know at this point in time. But it is yet another part of that rising rhetoric, and there's been a lot of criticism about ice coming from the left, and we're going to do everything we can. We're going to try to get ice out of Portland, you know, all these kind of situations. And so there we go.

That is what we know at the moment. Then Joshua killed himself. Ended up getting a picture from another site and was pretty graphic. It looks like he just took the rifle and stuck it into his midriff and then had his finger down there and pushed the trigger. Now, of course, when I see that sort of thing where some guy takes himself out, I immediately start thinking M.K. Ultra type of mind control or some kind of weird thing. but like I said pure conjecture on my part

but when I see that sort of stuff it's like all right why would you take yourself out over you know shooting at well I guess I guess you believe you've been told that you're taking out literal Hitler I guess and so you'll take yourself out at the end

so you're not going into literal Hitler's jails is that what it is I don't know folks if you have a thought about this you know I had Matt right me right maybe say hey Bill I have a crazy one. I have a crazy theory on the ice shooting. What if it's an actual cartel

hit? Cartel hit, in other words, you go do this or else something gets done to your family. Matt, that was an interesting theory for conspiracy theory Thursday. I haven't seen any evidence that would seem to support that, but who knows? Who knows? Stay tuned.

It's still early in this argument. But one thing or another, I think we're certainly looking at people being wound ever tighter and tighter and tighter. J.D. Vance responding to this. If your political rhetoric encourages violence against our law enforcement, you can go straight to hell. Vice President had an event in Concord North Carolina. Well, there's another story about North Carolina that I was going to mention. Where is that? I think I saved that here someplace.

Let me find it. Ah, here it is. Yeah. It was on Revolver. Revolver.com. News. and a North Carolina cop who swore allegiance to Antifa came face to face with karma and we have, you know, there are people in law enforcement that are actually involved in Antifa, apparently. We're starting to find out more and more of them. And as they write on Revolver.com news,

the mask is slipping, the real face of today's Democratic voter on full display for everyone to see. Once upon a time, you could even. easily write-off extremists as a bunch of fringe activist cooks in black hoodies in combat boots. Now we're looking at foot soldiers who are school teachers they're writing, nurses, even cops, the supposedly respectable people. Well, notice how we've been talking about that even in the wake of Charlie Kirk's murder of the other week, right? How many government school teachers have been hoisted upon their by their own partard, by their blathering about, yes, I support the

killings, you know, supporting political violence, and they're taking care of our little kids. Boy, what a poverty of the spirit, I guess here. But anyway, this latest one that they were talking about, and this was lives of TikTok and a bunch of other places we're reporting this, Detention Corporal Brian D. Edwards of the O.C.N.C. Sheriff in North Carolina. Carolina. Brian, and by the way, this is a law enforcement guy, Brian had declared himself a member of Antifa. He believes the rights should face war tribunals, be thrown in prison, and even suggests execution by guillotine. And these people are entrusted with public safety. One of his social media, of course, the guy was an idiot, not the brightest tool.

He was doing a music video, old man Trump, and on his guitar, this tool kills fascists. This tool kills fascists. Okay, so we kind of know where he's coming from. Remember, he declared himself Antifa. He also says, I maintain that the biggest mistake the United States government has ever made was letting the traitors from the civil war off the hook and allowing them to come back into our country without punishment. When this is over and the right wing is once again defeated, we will not. make that same mistake, there will be war crime trials and I can't wait to see every single

one of them thrown in prison for the rest of their lives. It may even be time to bring back the guillotine. Now, this is not even a kid. This is a 37-year-old, a sheriff's deputy in North Carolina. My name is Brian. I am 37 years old. I am in North Carolina. I am Antifa and I will never comply with a fascist regime. Yeah, he got fired. You guys investigated. He's fired. He got blown out.

But you notice how often we would see Antifa in the black block and causing trouble in Portland in various other cities and how often you would see the so-called law enforcement just standing by and watching and not doing a whole lot? Maybe there is more, or maybe there is more. or maybe there are more of these bryans within law enforcement around the major urban hive mine cities than we know. Whether there's one, there could be more. Who knows? Brian, this guy who was fired from North Carolina, I would definitely say that is the definition of a coproach. I know that the left a lot of times uses the term coproach as a pejorative to attack all police officers, a coproach, you know, that kind of thing.

but I would say that Brian Edwards would qualify as a coproach, in my opinion. That's an interesting article. You'll see it on Revolver.com. I thought that was an interesting one. Yeah, you wonder how many more are in there. Other news that we have here, where was this? I just, it was a Buffy Pollock story. Oh, yeah, Rogue Valley Times.

We had talked about this one. few weeks ago. RV Times, Medford Anesthesiologist connected to patient death in Colorado no longer in practice. This was this Medford doctor anesthesiologist connected to a Colorado case in which a patient died after routine cataract surgery a couple of years ago. And the physicians were engaging in a game called music bingo. In other words, they had their phones playing music and they were playing a game while they're doing the surgery. And they didn't notice that there was a patient, Bart Ryder, who suffered prolonged loss of oxygen to his brain. He went into cardiac arrest and then later pronounced dead.

And arguably, you could say it was because they were playing their games and doing this. So Medford resident Michael Urban making headlines in August following settlement of a civil suit against Dr. Stark Johnson, a Colorado surgeon. Urban apparently was part of that team. and Johnson was sued for writer's death under the Captain of the Ship Doctrine, meaning he was responsible for what happened in the operating room and the depositions from the civil suit previously obtained by the Rogue Valley Times reporting that Urban was using his phone to play songs for and was distracted by a game they called music bingo.

Well, according to the state, he is no longer practicing medicine here, no longer in practice. Good story in the Rogue Valley Times. 21 minutes after 6 on KMED, 993 KBXG on the Bill Meyer show. Join in at 7705633. Heard a good conspiracy. Want to add on one that's already been talked about. Have it.

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After the 630 news, we're talking with John Leak. John Lake, of course, affiliated writing a lot with Dr. Peter McCullough. We're going to go back in more into the autism and the reaction to the Trump administration's talk the other day of some possible connections with this. John Lake, good guy, good reporter. And I think he does a pretty darn good job in that. Another story that I wanted to dig into is how Google came out the other day and more or less fell on its sword and said, yeah, we're going to start reimposing or not reimposing, reinstating some YouTube accounts that had been censored during the COVID times, during the dark times. And so there's a part of me that, you know, I just get so sarcastic when I see these.

kind of stories. It's like, you know, with, with YouTube and all these people, yeah, we're really sorry. We're really sorry that we censored you and we destroyed your life. We deplatformed you. Maybe destroyed your job, too, for that matter. But it's all right. We'll put your YouTube account back in. Well, Jeff Dornan's going to join me from Pickax. And he is saying that the only solution to this is to be just going with media, social media that is just like pure free speech, just a free speech. And I don't know. In fact, I'm going to ask him about this since he's been involved in creating various social media companies over the years. He's also an author too, is can you truly have free speech on social media if you're expecting the advertiser

model in which technically it's free, you get on free, everything is free, and then you are continuing to be sold. Because this is kind of what got us into this situation. Nobody owns their stuff. Nobody owns their stuff on social media. The whole idea, hey, we'll get you in free. We'll get you in free. Well, then you're having to comply with the Borg's rules. And yes, it is obvious that, and Google ended up admitting that, yeah, we were bending the knee to the Biden administration. So we'll talk with Jeff about that too. Randall O'Toole is going to join me. He's adjunct scholar at the Cascade Policy Institute. And I've been talking off and on just kind of spitballing on Oregon's energy policy, which to me looks more like just spreading

the misery. Everyone has, you know, misery. The data centers will have all the electricity that they want. And then people like you and me, we have to deal with the smart meter shutdowns and the insane price increases, you know, when people actually need power, you know, all that kind of time of you stuff, which Pacific power is talking about. We will be discussing what is Oregon's real energy policy. And that'll be coming up on Conspiracy Theory Thursday.

A little bit after 8 o'clock. I believe this number is Francine. Hello, Francine. How are you? You know, after 20-something years of talking to you, I recognize some of the numbers coming in. How are you doing this morning, Francine? That's about time, Bill. Yeah, I guess only took me 20 years to start

recognizing. It's like, if I see 531, I just know, okay, it's minor Dave. Yeah, you know, it's a... Mine is really an easy one, too, you know. It's got that little pattern going. Yeah, you got the 1599 on it, you know. It's great. And anyway, what's going on here?

Conspiracy Theory Thursday. I don't actually have a conspiracy. I'm just going to express them. I'm not quite sure what to think. There's so many possibilities with these ice killings now. Because we have these people that are – it's two days in a row that has happened, right? Or two times in a week. that this has happened.

So now, could this be some kind of a movement now? You know, they've been planning this and making a big deal. This is, you know, okay, you're going to go out and go this day and you're going to go this day and stuff like that. I mean, it's like there's something going on. It's not just some random. I don't believe it is necessarily all just random, you know, oh, that guy did it. Maybe I'll try it too, you know. Well, social contagion is a thing, though.

I know. I get it. There have been times in which whole towns, you know, you look back in history, in which towns would just go, you know, would just go crazy over certain things, you know, going on. And then huge fights, killings, murders, things like that. And we are heard animals to an extent. So let me put it this way. Let me put it this way. You like that Brian guy, that former cop in North Carolina that was just talking about,

I finally got bounced out because he had sworn online, he's swearing allegiance to Antifa and how I will never bend the knee to the fascist regime, you know, all that kind of stuff here. You have a number of people, especially Gen Z, millennial age, probably right, that have been stewing in these waters for a long, long time. Is it surprising that there may be enacting out like this and kind of a social contagion spreading things? through the system, through the body politic at this point? No, it's not surprising at all. And I don't disagree that that's not very possible all it could, you know, that could be exactly what it is.

At the same time, though, you know, all these people want to get out there and prove themselves to be, you know, part of the whatever these guys think they're doing, you know. And so I don't know. I mean, there have been situations where there's a movement of some kind, you know, where they're all, this is their plan. This is a plan. And I'm just wondering. I'm not saying it's what it is.

I'm just wondering if this could be something that's being set up. There's the similarity of where they're firing into the truck, you know. Right. I mean, that's really ignorant unless it was on purpose for some reason. I don't know what. I mean, I'm pretty much just putting out there. Well, Eva and I, you know, here is an example of one of the, challenges in our culture right now is that we have been lied to by government so often about

so many things. Well, I've noticed for a long time, but you've gotten, we've been lied to so often and so effortlessly for so long about so many things that the moment everything happens, your first thought is to completely ignore the official report and just go, okay, okay what is this really look at me what i'm thinking okay the guy kills himself in the ice attack yesterday right instantly kills himself so i go right to i wrote i go right to proven government mind control mk ultra type experiments mk ultra and s sri yeah you know yeah i know i know okay so that's where that's where i start defaulting i say okay wait a minute hold off maybe it is just something that that's just the way it looks just crazy but there is such a lack of trust in

The system. That's where you're default. Exactly. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about. And then you have to also remember that there are the agents, what are they called agent provocateurs that get involved with these people and encourage them to do these insane things because it feeds the rhetoric. Yeah. Well, look at what had happened so often with the FBI, where the FBI in past administrations would go, where do you go? Okay, we need to create, we need to create some more terrorism or terrorists to make sure. sure that our budgets look good. So we go into Portland and we find the dimmest bulb in some mosque somewhere and we persuade them along to, well, here's the bomb parts and this or that, the other, and we're going to help you and you're going to be doing this for Allah, and then

they swoop in and arrest them. And they say, hey, look, we protected you from terrorism, that kind of stuff. Exactly. So that, so now to move on to a slightly, in another direction with this, all the people that are talking about, you know, the Kirk murder isn't what what everybody thinks it is, that there's something more to it. You have to understand. That's a natural response because of what we've learned over the years with what we're being told. I know.

It's almost as if the moment you think someone did something is when the government denies it, right? And I thought it was so strange when B.B. Nut Netanyahu came out and Israel was not involved in this, which, of course, that encourages all the conspiracy theorists to say, yet they denied it. Israel did it, right? It's just a crazy time. There was a connection as as far as I'm concerned, but, you know, that's just me. But I mean, really, you know, you can't trust anything anymore. And if you're not willing to go down into the rabbit hole a little bit, you might as well just not pay attention to anything because there's a lot of step that

really is way down the rabbit hole bill. Yeah, so what it, see, what we're talking about, though, and that was kind of my point is that, you know, this is a symptom of the complete collapse in trust of institutions, which has not been a good thing. It really hasn't been. Yeah. I would much prefer a world in which the first thought that goes through my head is just like, okay, that's a lie, obviously, because it's coming from an official government source.

what was really going on. I appreciate your call and candor there, Francine. It is conspiracy theory Thursday. Good morning. Hi, who's this? Morning, Bill. Tom. Tom. Who benefits? Yeah, that's the other thing we always need to be asking to. Sure. All the time. You know, Martin Armstrong has an article says saying that Trump has declared World War III because he's made an about face about Zelensky and Ukraine and so forth. And I must say, I'm really questioning Trump's support of the Middle East War and Ukraine and so forth, it's becoming like the war president, if this is all true. So, and it seems to be just glossed over in the news and not seeing much about it at all, but this is like, I mean, are we on the edge of World War III? Do you have

any thoughts on that? Or, you know, and again. Well, I know that I think part of what, President Trump, of course, is it seems to be working very hard to try to prevent economic collapse in the United States. Okay. The plates are still spinning right now, but President Trump is, you know, can add and subtract mathematics, okay? He gets this. And a hollowed out industrialized economy and a $37 trillion debt and a huge military industrial complex committing all overseas, hundreds of bases, et cetera, et cetera, and a huge national welfare state and a huge illegal immigration problem there too, right?

There's, you know, a lot of things attacking all in once. There may be a two-track path going on here. One is to honestly revive the economy and usher in that golden age that he's been talking about. And I always think that the system, not necessarily the president, but I also think that there is always an underlying deal in any government, our government, governments overseas. when you run out of other people's money and you're teetering and people are starting to get really sporty, you gin up a splendid war. It's the same playbook that's been going on for centuries. That's always a possibility.

I can't say if that's what's going on right now or not, okay? Yeah, well, that's kind of where we're left, and it's certainly almost Martin Armstrong's theme, is that Europe wants to go to war with Russia because they're on the verge of economic, collapse. Notice how France, it was reported in legitimate sources that France has been telling some of their organs then to prepare for war in 2026. Yeah. It's from the government. And like I'm saying, when you're running out of other people's money, it's one of the ways you can get people to accept all sorts of things when you are at war with them. Okay? 9-11, for instance. Oh, yeah, indeed.

to go to war, you know, in the Middle East. Yeah, well, I'm left with a lot of questions here and so forth, and I'm questioning Trump's agenda and support of war. It seems like it's an easy thing to do rather than do. It's kind of like in Oregon here, you know, getting set to pass its big huge tax bill when they should be doing a lot of reforming of government and throwing out all the waste. Yeah, instead of whining about the money not coming from the feds to pay for illegal aliens on Medicaid, you know, that sort of thing, start trimming your sales in the state of Oregon. And, of course, they don't want to do that.

Point well taken, Tom, we will continue this conversation in a little bit. John Leak joins me next, and we're going to be going into the vaccine rabbit hole a little bit. They're reporting on that. Coming up. Need a roof that performs I-444 or visit Skypark. INS.com. At Skypark, we make insurance easy. You're here in the Bill Myers Show on 1063, KMED.

John Leake, independent investigative reporter. Great author, too, of vaccines, mythology, ideology, and reality. He's worked with Dr. Peter McCullough, primary author of the bestselling book, The Courage to face COVID-19. He's a best-selling true crime author, too, an independent investigative journalist, like I mentioned. And what kind of crime novels have you written, John? Welcome back. Good to have you on.

crime novels. Go ahead. Yes, sir. Well, I started my career of investigating a very mysterious case in Europe of a serial killer whom the FBI has to this day claimed to be the only transatlantic serial killer that's known in his cases have been adjudicated. And through my work on that initial book, I hung out with forensic pathologists. a bit. This was in Vienna, Austria. I even for a while worked as a translator for a forensic pathologist who was trying to get her forensic papers published in English. So I got very interested in forensics. And then I've written a few true crime books, but when COVID came in March of 2020, I just very quickly perceived that what our government agencies were

telling us. There were things that just didn't add up to me. My suspicion that there were fraudulent misrepresentations being made. I just had a strong hunch, but I knew I needed a medical expert to evaluate my suspicion. So I contacted Dr. Peter McCullough, who turns out to have been my neighbor in Dallas, Texas. And we started working together. And we've written two books together now. Our second one has just come out on, on the history, a critical history of vaccines. So, vaccines, mythology, ideology, and reality was the prior one? That's not the newest one. So there's even a newer one now. Okay. No, that's, that's our latest. Oh, okay. It's just out. It was a New York Times bestseller in August, but it's, it's just come out. Okay. Very good. And when you go into this,

then you pay attention to what happened in the White House a little earlier this week. The reporting on it was quite interesting. The standard response to media not friendly, let's say, to the administration, was that Trump makes claims without proof about acetaminophen. And I would see that every time. And now, you've reported on these kind of things. wasn't there something bubbling around the medical world about issues with acetamine and autism for years prior to this? This wasn't anything new, I thought, but maybe I'm wrong about it.

Can you tell me a bit about your take on it? Well, acetaminein has been, I mean, first of all, it's been an over-the-counter medication since 1960 and almost ubiquitous in its use. But there have been concerns expressed over the years since 1996, so it might be a risk factor in this spiking incidence and prevalence of autism. But the evidence emerging on that has never been particularly persuasive. Also extremely difficult to prove or to test that hypothesis because we've had virtually universal vaccination as well. So, you know, how do you pull these two factors apart? Yeah, I've talked to other people. It's like, where is your control group, right?

Unless you're just going to go into the, the Amish community, right? Precisely. So, you know, one thing that we found notable is that the arrival of HHS Secretary Kennedy has obviously made the pharmaceutical industry that makes vaccines extremely nervous. And so what we noticed was Mount Sinai, the Harvard Chen School of Public Health, these kind of, you know, beacons of vaccination ideology. After Kennedy goes into the HHS secretary office, they suddenly become interested in an acetaminophen. So we're not dismissing that acetaminopin may play an amplifying role or are. some causal role. Okay, well, let me just...

Okay, let me just cut to the chase here, John. Is there a possibility that what happened with this acetaminophen talk out of the White House this weekend and the president is really kind of a limited hangout because they don't really want to go to the main event, which is the excessive and bundling of childhood vaccinations? What do you think? Well, it certainly looks that way.

I mean, we call this in true crime investigations, a red herring or a distraction. It looks like Trump and Kennedy were, you know, more than prepared and willing to talk about hyper-vaccination. But it just, and this is just my subjective impression, but it looks like as the press conference drew near some serious pressure was brought to bear, to not make that the prime suspect. So the way they presented this is sort of a secondary suspect.

Now, I think, you know, poor RFK Jr., he's kind of navigating a den of snakes. Oh, you know, he's navigating not just snakes, but sharks and just about every other apex predator in Washington, D.C. They could be coming after, you know. Snakes, sharks, rogue tigers. Oh, yeah. So, you know, he does manage to get into his presentation this, what I think to be. kind of the key statement, which is, you know, for years, we just haven't been listening to the witness testimony of parents. And the witness testimony of parents, in cases where there

are distinct criteria that are met, in other words, normal birth, the pediatrician looks at the child and says, wow, congratulations, healthy baby. Normal milestones achieved first year, 18 months, of life. The parents will report a very characteristic pattern. Baby was normal, had no remarkable infections. We took the baby in, got a bunch of vaccines all at once. And then very shortly thereafter, the baby develops the fever, has a seizure, starts inconsolably crying. And at that point, they bring the fever down, interestingly enough, oftentimes using Tylenol. Yeah. And, you know, those initial illness symptoms will then resolve. The fever will resolve.

But then that shortly after that, the child rapidly regresses, becomes non-communicative, stops making eye contact with his mother. And the mom, you know, has this horrifying, you know, thoughts, like, what happened to my baby? Like, the fever's gone. The seizures have resolved. But now it's like he's absent. And for the longest time here, John, my impression of the medical world is, or much of the medical world, conventional medical world, has been, you know, you as a parent are just not really qualified to notice such things. Would that be fair? Yeah, I mean, it's classic, you know, appeal to authority. I'm the authority here. I'm speaking of, you know, a doctor and tells the mother, you know, you don't, like, don't. believe your eyes on what you're seeing your interpretation of your observation

is wrong and these doctors I mean we've interviewed many mothers they'll really kind of pull their authority in an assertive way you know which leaves the mother profoundly confused I mean it would be like a police detective child doesn't come home from school the mom says yeah the little boy was, you know, witnessed to say he was, you know, waiting at the bus stop and a 76 transam pulled up and lured him to get into the car. And, you know, for the detective to say, well, we don't know anything about the driver of the 76 transam, but we just know that he had nothing to do with the disappearance of your child. Well, yeah, and what I was getting at here,

and I'm not an anti-vax guy. In fact, I just had some vaccines a year or two ago for some other things, all right? But when I grew up, it was a handful. I don't know how old you are, but when I grew up in my era, it was a handful of vaccinations. That was it. And somehow, and now we have gotten to the point where it's like you have to have 50 or 60, 50 or 60 to be healthy. And one can't help but notice that there has been a huge explosion of this ever since the 1987 or 86 or 87 vaccine liability act there that took away the liability from vaccinations. And so nobody had to worry about it.

There was an explosion of it. And now it's on the CDC schedule. And then this is coincidentally at the same time they were seeing the explosion of autism. But we have been told for years that it's whatever it is, it's never the vaccine. That's what we've been told. And I think that's what we've been trying to call, many have been trying to call BS on. Yeah, I mean, it's especially strange when you hear Sanjay Gupta and guys like that saying, we don't know what is causing the explosive increase of autism.

However, we're certain that it's not the vaccine, and you think, well, that's a logical fallacy. If you don't know what's causing it, how precise. Yeah, how can you make it innocent in the process? process. And yet it could be many things. Yeah, acetaminopin. Yes, genetic predisposition, could be environmental toxins, could be all sorts of things, John. But we're always told it's never the vaccine, ever. Yes. And I think increasingly there's an understanding that our medical authorities are just not trustworthy in this. I mean, at the very minimum, I think RFK's proposal, you know, this, at the very least we need to thoroughly investigate this. It's not satisfying just to say,

yeah, well, we don't know. We just know it's not vaccines. That is not a satisfying proposition. And I think Americans are beginning to understand that this just has all of the hallmarks of total BS. When we look at what happened earlier this week, though, something that did come out, which I did think was very wise, and had gotten not enough play, though, in my opinion, was the conversation about cleaning up the questionable adjuvants, you know, adjuvants, the chemicals that are put into vaccines to stimulate the immune reaction. Mercury aluminum, I think, was one that was brought up in that press conference. That's actually a very good thing, wouldn't you say? Yeah, but I mean,

it's interesting because we've seen similar, it's not as extreme, but we've seen similar increases of autism in Great Britain, and aluminum adjuvants have not been used in vaccines in the U.K. So I think that the most plausible working hypothesis is it's all of these things injected into a small child still developing all at once. So it's antigenes, whether inactivated or attenuated, live attenuated, plus aluminum, plus mercury. You know, all of these things together is just creating a shock to, you know, the child's immune system. Yeah, like an inflammatory storm of some sort, I guess, right? And I know that it's not a medical term that I'm using, but just. Well, no, cytokine storm is a medical term, getting up into the brain, causing fever, you know, causing seizures.

One of the things that, you know, is terrifying for parents is they'll go get a bunch of vaccines for the child, you know, the child receives a bunch of injections all at once, and then we'll have a seizure in the days following. Now, that's a very terrifying thing. And, I mean, what's interesting is a febrile seizures is actually a stated adverse event to vaccines. But what the medical profession says is, well, you know, it will resolve and the child will be okay. So, you know, what is the mother to think when the seizures resolve, but the child isn't okay? You know, what then? And again, we're back to this, well, you know, you're just going to have to not worry about it because it wasn't caused by the vaccines. So, again, not a satisfying answer.

You know, I'll at the risk of sounding a little bit arrogant, I mean, we're at a kind of a Rubicon moment in the United States right now where our institutions are so bold and proclaiming just nonsense and orthodox idiocy. that, you know, prudent adults need to start just applying common sense to a lot of this. Because we're not getting common sense out of our institutions, unfortunately, John? We're not getting that? Yeah, I mean, our institutional structure in the United States, our institutional culture, I think that it just, I won't say it's collapsed, but, you know, in so many institutions, it's just become an appalling state of affairs. And I worry about our republic because you can't have a functioning society without healthy institutions.

If your institutions are taken over and captured by commercial and ideological interests rather than common sense, civic-mindedness, a desire for truth and justice, that your civilization is basically cooked. It's done. Yeah, it's almost, I was kind of making this again. Maybe the institutions have not completely collapsed yet, but the brain scans flat at the moment. At least it's starting to feel that way. Exactly, if you've got flatlining in terms of the leadership.

And so this is the challenge that I think the Trump administration has been doing, trying to steer some of the SSI, the SS Titanic of collapsed United States government institutions in trying to get something a little. bit better going on. You know, back to the vaccination schedule. You know, is there a good chance that even relaxing the vaccination schedule could be progress instead of, you know, taking the baby and throwing a dart of six vaccinations at them at a time, let's say, or whatever, I might be, I'm spitballing here on this one, John. But that we do, but what we do like what the doctor in Portland who got his medical license lost just because he was advocating, spreading it out, is spreading out the schedule and not giving them all the once.

Maybe that would be a big help to try to restore some trust in things. Well, if I could just interject, I mean, look, these are, a lot of these vaccines are now pretty old technologies. And when Congress granted the vaccine manufacturer's blanket immunity in 1986 with the Childhood Vaccine Injury Act, interestingly enough, Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor, she wrote a dissenting opinion in a case in which the constitutionality of that of that 86 act was was adjudicated. She took a dissenting opinion. The court ruled that it was a constitutional law, but so do my or her in her dissenting opinion.

And this was in 2010, she said, look, I mean, the thing that will motivate and incentivize product manufacturers, to keep their products, you know, the most up-to-date, the safest, the most effective, is liability. So if you tell them a product manufacturer, you bear no risk of lawsuit if your product is unsafe and effective, then you've just removed all incentive for the product manufacturer to keep the product updated in accordance with the best science and technology. Now, this is coming from Sotomayor, the wise Latina, and she was right in that dissent, in my opinion. She was absolutely right.

I mean, again, it's just common sense. So, you know, the other thing that we talk about and we illustrate, you know, with clear records in our book is the origin of hypervaccination is this primal terror of these endemic childhood diseases, which had very high rates of mortality in the 18th, 19th, and early 20th century. Yeah, in a time of poor nutrition, in a time of poor nutrition and poor sanitation, too. Well, so that was what I was going to say. I mean, you know, by the time you get to the introduction of the childhood vaccine schedule in 1948 with the DPT shot, if you just look at U.S. vital statistics, You see that mortality from all of these diseases has dropped 90 to 95 percent between 1900, the turn of the century, in 1948.

And while you just said it, I mean, people have no idea how much our standards of living were elevated between about 1885 and 1945. I mean, nutrition, housing, you know, the availability of nutrient-dense foods, hygiene, pasteurization of milk, proper heating of apartments and tenements in the winter. I mean, it just goes on and on and on. You know, things like London had such dense coal smoke in the late 19th century. They called it London fog. You're just inhaling coal smoke round the clock. So guess what? That's an aggravating factor with bronchitis.

Sure. So all of these things are cleaned up, and mortality comes down. So here's the thing that people need to understand. A healthy child who is properly nourished, who drinks clean water, who lives in a comfortable, and a comfortable, properly human. heated home is a very robust organism. If you take a child who's malnourished, who's freezing to death, who drinks sewage water, as was the case in the 19th century, he's a very weak and susceptible child. So anyway, the point is this, you know, these are pretty, a lot of these are pretty old

technologies. They need to be re-examined and re-evaluated within our current infectious disease ecology. Like, the world has changed, but we still have these old, in many cases, old technologies. We just need a re-evaluation. And look, this doesn't cost that much money. I mean, one of the things that amazed us was, you know, talk of like $50 million to study stuff. I mean, $50 million is a rounding. That's a rounding number. Not even a rounding number in the D.C. world. I mean, I mean, I think I've visited a Rappstar's house in L.A. that costs more than that. It's just ridiculous. I mean, that's the other thing.

These federal institutions, you know, they'll have thousands of employees, $10 billion a year budgets, and you say, well, what are you people doing? Like, what does the CDC do? I'm serious. It's an interesting question. And what it appears that they do is just run cover for the pharmaceutical industry. Not that there's any moral hazard in something like that, right? Anyway, you know, we live in a weird time of just bizarre things that just don't make sense.

And we were talking about it before we jumped on the air. It's like, are we going to escalate with Russia? You know, they do have nuclear weapons. So, I mean, maybe it's not a good idea to escalate with Russia over the eastern provinces of Ukraine. I mean, and every day we lurch one way or the other. Sometimes I think the United States government is in the business of driving the citizenry insane. That seems to be, you know, what they're really good. Collecting taxes and driving us all nuts seem to be their fortays.

Yeah, it's been pretty good for a while here, the last few years, certainly. Hey, your gut here, and I know you and Dr. McCullough work together all the time. Does RFK Jr. survive all of this? Because, like you said, he is swimming in the nastiest, fetid, shark-filled, apex predator-filled water kind of world. Does he make it through this? I think he's doing his best to try to make some truly positive change to some old sclerotic institutions. What do you think, there, John Leak? Well, you know, I've met him a few times.

times and had dinner with him. I mean, he's a very strong man. I mean, it's interesting that he's 71 years old. I mean, he's fit as fiddle and super high energy and super strong. I mean, it's kind of a miracle that he made into the HHS. I honestly can't imagine anyone else, you know, having the fitness to do this, but I mean, it's got to be a grind. I mean, I hope our citizenry understands this. I mean, he doesn't need to be hanging around with these sharks and snakes and, you know, predators of various kinds. I mean, he could just be enjoying an ice life doing falconry and going sailing on Cape Cod in the summer. So, I mean, my heart is just out to that, man, and I'm so impressed by his strength. You know, will he be able to survive, you know, this contention?

I mean, I don't know. I hope so. You're talking about the intersection of big government and huge big money, too. And frankly, regulatory capture by the industry because, you know, the empire is fighting back right now. We know that. There's absolutely no doubt. John Lee. Oh, go ahead.

Please. No, you go ahead. Please. All right. I was just going to mention that John Leake is the author of Vaccines, Mythology, Ideology, and Reality, co-authored with Dr. Peter McCullough, please. So go ahead and you wrap up that thought, and then we'll see where we go then. Well, so where are we with hyper-vaccination?

You know, children are now receiving 72 shots between infancy and 18. What we are advocating is a thorough, good-faith, diligent reassessment of all of this. on a case-by-case basis. Let's just look at all of these vaccines. Let's look at, for, I mean, for decades, it was just understood. You don't vaccinate. You don't inject a pregnant woman. But then they, you know, that kind of golden rule, like don't put anything into a woman's body that could in any way impair the developing infant.

But, you know, that's been thrown by the wayside. Now, I mean, all this, this. reckless abandon and what we believe is more akin to something like a religion, this cult, this fetish of vaccination. We need to take vaccination out of the realm of orthodoxy and heresy and take it back into the realm of true critical evaluation, of true discussion. And the other thing I'd like to point out is that science has never advanced through orthodoxy. It's only, has been keenly observant individuals who have had insights, they've made observations, they've been experimented, and they've pursued their inquiries unfettered by censorship and deplatforming and

fired from your job, this kind of holy office of the vaccine inquisition, that needs to stop. You know, censorship in general needs to stop. I know there are a lot of people in Washington that would just love to censor us, but this is inimical to a constitutional republic, as evidenced by the fact that the First Amendment is freedom of speech. Yeah, number one, Congress shall make no law. Hey, John, we've had someone hanging on here. Maybe they have a quick question here for you. Good morning, caller.

You're on with John Leak. Morning. Hey, good morning. This is Lynn. Thanks so much for coming on, John. And I just wanted to share a few things in my experience. I had vaccine injured children. The first one, the second one was the most dramatic.

and she woke up from a nap, unable to walk, and I ran her down to the emergency room, and she just had like seven vaccines nine days earlier, and they said, well, we don't know what it's caused this, but it's definitely not the vaccines, and I thought that's completely illogical and wrong, but this was in the 90s, and I couldn't prove it. Later, I realized it was a brain inflammation, that's what she had, and vaccines damage the brain, And the reason Dr. Paul Thomas in Portland lost his license wasn't for advocating spreading out vaccines, although they didn't like it. It was because he published a peer-reviewed study that showed unvaccinated children were by far healthier than vaccinated children. That was his unforgivable sin.

And I want to talk about Dr. McCullough because parents of vaccine-injured children knew right away that COVID was a scam within weeks because we know the playbook. and I remember Dr. McCullough who lost everything for telling the truth when the vaccine came out. But I remember him saying the COVID vaccine is a problem, but we do know that the rest of the vaccines are safe and effective and have been properly tested. And I thought, you're an honest man. You're going to change your mind on that. And he is and he did. And I'm so proud of him. I was a little concerned when you said, Bill, that you took a vaccine.

No one should take a vaccine unless they've read the. insert. And I think it's 6.1 or 6.2, and every vaccine insert, they'll tell you the clinical study, how many people were studied for how long, what the placebo was. And then they have to report the side effects, the adverse reactions, because if they don't, that pierces the liability. Yeah, well, I took a tetanus vaccine a couple of years ago after some injury, okay? Okay, and I wouldn't even take a tetanus again because you're basically immune for life. And if you do have an injury, they're going to give you a booster in the emergency room when you're getting sewed up, but it doesn't even take effect until after you would be already infected with tetanus and get sick, and they'd give you the toxoid.

So the whole thing is a complete scam. And anyway, I just wanted to point out those things. And then to all the naysayers about Bobby Kennedy, many of whom called into your show. And I just kind of want to gloat a little bit because I told you guys he's rock solid. he's going to be amazing. And he is. And what he's doing is strategic, but it's revolutionary. He's opening the Overton window. He's making it possible to talk about these things. And so is Trump. Trump is not going to back down this time. And it's just an incredible time. And oh, also, Mr. Leak, I don't know if you're a doctor leak. But anyway, during COVID, I have not read your book, but many people said they couldn't reach people about the insanity of the COVID,

any factual information, but when they read Courage to Face COVID or gave that book that you wrote with Dr. McCullough, that's what opened their minds and hearts. So you've been incredibly effective, and I just want to thank you and Dr. McCullough. You guys are amazing. Wow. Thanks for the call there, Lynn. Thank you. Thank you so much. Wow. That is quite a ringing endorsement, I would say, John. Okay. On that note, I appreciate you being on. I could probably talk about this a while longer, but I'm turning into a pumpkin out of time. Got to move along some other things. I'll have you back, though, John.

Thank you. Vaccines, mythology, ideology, and reality. And best place to find out more about it, what's your website? What can we do more? Well, first of all, the books just out that we're trying to sell it. Go to Amazon and buy a copy and review it if you like it.

That's the first thing. You can also find more about me and my work is an author at authorjohnleek.com. That's author, j-o-h-n-l-a-k-e-e-e-com. And Dr. McCollah and I write a daily newsletter called the focal points.com. The focal point.com. All right. The focal points, plural. The focal points.com. All right, very good. John, good talk. Appreciate it. We'll went a little bit longer, but you know, sometimes it's worth it, you know. worth it this time. Thanks again. I enjoyed it. Thanks for the conversation. You betcha. This is KMED, KMED, H.T.E. H.T.1. Eagle Point, Medford, KBXG, Grants Pass.