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Episode Date: September 29, 2025

The Wagons circle as Pres. Trump sends troops to PDX, Ian from Do No Harm Medicine - ranking medical schools, OHSE badly rated, why?

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Email Bill at Billmyershow.com. So what do you think about President Trump bringing 200 or actually taking over 200 Oregon National Guard troops and deploying them to Portland in order to take care of the issues around around ice. What do you think? It's one of the things we can talk about this morning off and on. 7705-633-770K-MED.

Well, you know, Portland, flaming, but mostly peaceful is how it is told. I thought I would go over with you at first. some of the reactions, some of the reactions from the intelligentsia running the state of Oregon, governing Oregon so well. Why don't we start with Dan Rayfield, the office of the Attorney General putting out this release overnight. Oregon sues Trump administration over unlawful federalization of National Guard. A.G. Rayfield says what we're seeing is not about public safety. It's about President Trump flexing his political muscle under the guise of law and order. So he's announced that State of Oregon City of Portland have filed suit against the Trump administration.

Also Pete Hexeth, the U.S. Secretary of Defense, U.S. Secretary of Homeland Security, Christy Noem, Department of Defense, U.S. Department of Homeland Security, challenging the unlawful deployment of 200 Oregon National Guard members to perform federal law enforcement functions. Oh, so that's it. Is it that they really don't think there's a problem or that they're thinking that National Guard is doing law enforcement functions that should be better handled by what? The Federal Protective Services, you know, you'll see the FPS cars

running around town every now and then you'll see those. Oh, what is that FPS? I don't know. I'm just, I'm spitballing with you thinking out loud. The Secretary of Defense sent a memo to Governor Tina Coates. authorizing 200 members of the National Guard to perform federal functions for 60 days, including protecting federal property where protests are occurring or are likely to occur. This is what Dan Rayfield says. Oregon communities are stable, and our local officials have been clear.

We have the capacity to manage public safety without federal interference. Now, this is what A.G. Dan Rayfield says as he files a lawsuit against the Trump administration. Do you think that the Trump administration would bother sending 200 and federalizing 200 Oregon National Guard if everything was completely under control in Portland? I mean, Portland is the butt of national jokes on stuff like this. Like I said, you know, flaming but mostly peaceful. All right. Now, I'm not saying that this has descended to the summer of George Floyd kind of violence in Portland. But it's not exactly common in that neighborhood. And Portland police are relatively loath to do a whole lot about that.

But anyway, back to what Dan Rayfield, the Attorney General, is upset about. The federalization order is based on a baseless and hyperbolic pretext. claims that Portland is burning or ungovernable are false and fictional the order violates the Posse Comitatis Act which prohibits the military from engaging in civilian law enforcement

well it can be done for 60 for a minimum a limited amount of time there is no duty to accept except this order on the streets just my opinion of course here and the order infringes on the 10th Amendment stripping states of their constitutional

power to manage law enforcement. Not a may have a point there, but you know, if Portland will not enforce the law, I think it's okay that the federal government would step in usually. That's how this ends up working just because well, yeah, yeah, we're in charge of policing here. Well, it hasn't been going real great around the ice building from what we understand. Now, this is the same city that

ended up citing the ice building for law was no land use. Land use of violations because there were detainees kept more than 24 hours. And the land use that was permitting this had to be less than 24 hours from what I understand. Oh, and also that they have boarded up the windows on the first floor. Now, why do you think the ICE officials boarded up the windows on the first floor? Obviously it's because that flaming, yet mostly peaceful, Portland crowd. People have been trying to vandalize it and attack.

That's, you know, everybody knows this. Everyone's been talking about it for, you know. Dan Rayfield, I think, is asking us to, okay, are you going to believe me in my Trump against, in my lawsuit against the Trump administration? Are you going to believe me? Are you going to believe you're lying eyes on what's been going on around the ice facilities in downtown Portland? All right. So who is next here on the, on the bleeding of the state official? In response to President Trump's announcement that he is sending federal troops into the Portland community,

Secretary of State Tobias Reid released the following statement. My fellow Oregonians, he says, the president is baiting you. The president wants a spectacle, not solutions. He's targeting our communities to distract from his own failures at home and abroad. Don't give him what he wants. stay peaceful, stay united, stay focused. Okay. So that is what

what Tobias Reid says. By the way, Tobias Reid finds himself on the other end of a Trump lawsuit. I'm going to be talking with Harmi Dillon tomorrow morning about that because this is the one about going after the election information because they're thinking that Oregon is inky on the way we run elections. We've never had that kind of thought process at all here in southern Oregon. Oregon, right? Okay. Now, this is not an official. This is not a state official, but it is,

shall we say, one of the fellow travelers of those officials. Ravi Mangla from the Oregon Working Families Party. Annie Naranjo Rivera, state director of Oregon's Working Families Party, in other words, communist, made the following statement regarding Donald Trump's order to mobilize federal troops to Portland, Oregon. Sending federal forces to Portland is a stunt by the Trump administration intended to intimidate and silence any criticism of its tactics and goals. It's a so-called solution seeking to create a problem. For the Trump administration to deploy military on our streets without the consent of our constituents is a federal overreach and violation of our rights.

Oregon Working Families Party, remember, communists, will stand together with our partners in Portland to exercise our First Amendment rights to speak and assemble in defense of our neighbors and committees. So there we go. And then they have a couple of communist state officials that are there. Let's see. The governor says tells Trump on a Saturday conversation, Portland is not a military target, the governor tells Trump, as federal troop orders spark backlash.

All right. then we go to House Republican leader Christine Drazen. She has a different take on this than the communist and proto-communists you heard from just a few minutes ago. The ICE facility in Portland, Christine Drazen says, has been subject to months of dangerously chaotic protests that have put residents in federal agents in harm's way. The governor's assertion that there is no national security threat and that the mayor's assertion that everything is fine is tone deaf. it's shameful that state and local leaders have allowed violent mobs and domestic terrorists to assault federal law enforcement, destroy property, and interfere with those seeking immigration services from getting assistance in case management.

We need order. We need to restore safety, and Oregon's local leaders have failed to provide it. Now, I'm not a huge fan of Christine Drazen, but she's actually right. I think she kind of portrayed that correctly. She portrayed that correctly. I do love, though, how what we're told right now is that President Trump, don't bring the troops here, you're going to inflame the situation, and there's going to be trouble on the street. Well, if that ends up being the case, that would mean that they didn't have control over it in the first place. Aren't in some ways the leftists who are complaining about the National Guard being put on the streets around ice, aren't they really kind of giving it away?

what would happen you think let's say that there was a perceived problem in southern oregon let's say that there was a perceived problem with with antifa types uh... with uh... and let's say that uh... the great ponytails over at Oregon is indivisible to or rogue indivisible etc etc let's say that they just wanted to

get pretty nasty and going to the streets around the around the federal courthouse. states the federal courthouse and they do this, what do you think would happen if National Guard were to be patrolling just around that courthouse, given that would be the subject, the subject of their ire, so to speak. Do you think it's one of those things where it would encourage more violence? I don't think we would. In fact, I think it would be a big nothing Burger, be kind of like, oh, okay, well, a few people that were getting kind of uppity there around the courthouse.

All right, there's the National Guard fine. It'll calm down. No big deal. But everyone's talking about, oh, you know, you put the National Guard, 200 Oregon National Guard. By the way, these are Oregon National Guard troops who have been federalized. They've been federalized, and they'll be under essentially Pete Hexath's command, you know, in Portland. And the fact that they're thinking that 200, 200.

Not a lot of troops really in the grand scheme of things. 200 troops, they're thinking that 200 troops brought in around ice to keep things calmer on ice. That will inflame things. Well, when they're saying that that would inflame things, that tells me that there are a lot of petulant children, also known as scammy communists and Antifa types and the indivisible types, etc., etc., who need to be spanked. they want to be able to just essentially riot and scream and do whatever it is and cause problems in the neighborhood and there's no pushback for them the fact that they're talking about this is this is going to be really bad it's going to it's going to cause trouble well it's not causing trouble if you're peaceful

and we're told everything in portland is peaceful so how could it be peaceful if having what is it one of those things where there it is there's an oregon national guard soldiers standing on the street there. What? Is it like, you know, is an Oregon National Guard soldier or even 100 or 200 of them standing there by ice? Is that like the old Popeye movies in which all you had to do with those cartoons in which all you had to do was shove the spinach into someone's mouth and all of a sudden they just became violent and started beating each other up, right? Is that what it's like? Is that like Antifa spinach? Is that what that is? The Antifa of people we're going to be walking all around Portland

just going, hey, how are you doing? Nice day. Let's go have some wine, maybe a nice cup of coffee or something like that. It just gets to be nonsensical. Don't do this, Trump, because it's going to cause trouble. No, the trouble's already there.

Oh. Anyway, it's 23 after 6. If you want to weigh in 60 days, you think that we survive 60 days here. What do you think will happen? The leftists are warning us that things are going to go bad, which to me says that there was a problem in the first place. I could be absolutely wrong about this, happy to take your calls. This is the Bill Myers Show. If you're

turning 65 soon and need to learn about Medicare, and I'm on KMED. I think the perfect analogy, at least is my perfect analogy, because I watched too many cartoons when I was a kid, was Popeye the Sailor Man. What's going to be going on in Portland? is being portrayed as, oh, Trump, Trump, don't bring, do not bring National Guard up to Portland because everything is peaceful here right now. And if you bring the National Guard, it's going to be like, well, like in the old Popeye cartoons, all you had to do is take spinach and shove it into someone's mouth, even if they were beaten up, and they would wake up, and they would start being muscles, and they'd be violent,

and they'd be just cracking everybody over their head. they're actually talking as if is if National Guard is like Antifa spinach. Maybe it is. Of course, maybe that's part of the plan, too. That could be. All right, Antifa is now declared a national domestic terrorist front. So go ahead, bring it on.

Maybe that's what's going on too. But all of the leftists, including Pam Marsh, saying, oh, this is horrible to have National Guard around the ice facility in Portland, which has been attacked, of course, for several, several weeks now. I guess we're just supposed to let Portland police do nothing there, really. But that's all right. We're approaching it. We're taking care of it the Oregon way.

I don't know. Let me just talk to Tom. Hello, Tom. Good to have you part of the early morning risers club and commenter. How are you doing this morning? Oh, just fine. Hey, you know, I think it's obvious that Oregon, in particular, Portland brought this upon themselves by declaring Oregon at sanctuary state.

I would agree with you. If nothing was going on here, there would be little to be discussing when it comes to that. Yeah, there would not even be a problem in the first place, but, you know, it turned a blind-eyed to everything. I think there's a lot of evidence that even Antifa, by the way, was behind all the fires that started up and down Oregon when we had the so-called Almeida arson fire. Unfortunately, it's still conjecture at this point. There's no hard evidence about it.

But, yeah, it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, cracks like a duck, and all the Antifa types were here right after the fire. It was really fascinating, interesting timing they had at that point. Sure. Yeah. Somebody said there were hundreds. I don't know how many fires were happening. But, you know, that thing about, well, there's no evidence. Well, if you don't look for evidence, you're not going to find it.

And I don't believe that we're having very much enforcement. But going back to the sanctuary state, I'd really like to know how much being a sanctuary state is costing schools, hospitals, law enforcement all over the place, housing, and so forth. I'd really like to have a concrete number how much being a sanctuary state costs each Oregon family. Well, how much we're, you know, being drained out for that. And the other thing about it, too, is that being a sanctuary state has really created this chaos. And I feel sorry for the people who were induced to come here from Mexico and across the course. globe when there really wasn't, you know, a place for them or any kind of real means of taking care of them.

Yeah, but nevertheless, the fact that law is being enforced again is not being received very well here in the state of Oregon. You know, as far as the cost, I wanted to just speak to your point there, Tom, is that's the reason, or at least a major topic of conversation this week. The Oregon State Legislature is back in session or going back in there. this legislative days. I'm going to talk with Dwayne Yunker about that, and that is going to be a major topic of conversation as to how much money has been yanked out of the Oregon budget, and so we might find out, okay? Well, that's something because, you know, you got Tina and the

gang up there of Bolsheviks. They want to raise the taxes, but they're not, they're not ready to clean up all the waste, fraud, and abuse. Well, they want to raise taxes in order just to keep the status quo of paying for non-citizens to have health care and various other things that the federal government has chosen not to pay any longer. And so, in other words, we're going to raise our taxes to take care of people that in other states are really not expected to be there on the dole any longer. Appreciate the call there, Tom. 770563. We'll continue that as it goes on. I think this is Vicki in the Applegate, isn't it? Hi there.

It is. Good morning. Yes, you've called enough over the years. I recognize, 899, that's Vicky. All right. How you doing? Thank you. I'm famous. Yay.

Well, I just wanted to say, you know, bringing in the National Guard is a good idea, I think, only because of all the riots that happened over the summertime, you know, when everything was getting burnt and ripped up. And, you know, I would agree with you, especially. Actually, this is a 60-day deal. This is a 60-day. This is kind of like, okay, we're going to break the cycle of Antifa, I think, is essentially what is going to go on, or else it's going to stimulate it. And if it does, then all of that, you know, flaming but peaceful rhetoric coming out of the city of Portland will end up proving itself to be a lie.

So I guess we'll see what happens here. Now, this is only 60 days. 60 days, they're talking about. I honestly, Bill, I think that them saying, oh, there's going to be trouble if you bring the National Guard in. Well, first of all, the trouble hasn't stopped. Okay. Second of all. Yeah, the trouble was already there before the National Guard came.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And I think what they're doing is by protesting about the National Guard coming in, they're actually trying to scare the people into believing that it's going to be riots all over again. And people are going to lose their business. People are going to die. People are going to get hurt.

And it's another form of intimidation only because the people will be like, oh, God, no. Well, it's kind of through the back door, right? Nice city you have. It's like the Antifa type's coming up to you go, nice city you have there. Gosh, you'd be terrible if we had to start tearing it up because the National Guard was here, right? And the fact that they have, we're a sanctuary city at state. So is California, so is, you know, Washington. It seems like most of the western coast is a haven for all these criminals because they know they can get away with stuff.

And now that they're threatening to, you know, have consequences to it, now the government of Oregon is standing up, oh, God, no, we don't want that. Yeah, well, you have the governor of Oregon essentially saying, my recalcitrant children who need spanked hard are. Well, you know, we don't want daddy coming into town and spanking them. That's essentially what Governor Kotech said over the weekend. Well, it'll mess up their agenda. Exactly. There you go. Thanks for the call, Vicki.

I appreciate that. There is another interesting agenda in play right now. And we'll talk about that after news. And I think what this is going to be about. I'm going to talk with Ian from Do No Harm Medicine. Do No Harm Medicine is a group that has been out working really hard to get the meritocracy back into medical. schools in which we're getting people into medicine because they're really talented in medicine, not because they're ticking boxes in the DEI kind of world.

Well, there's a new report out now that is talking about the ranking of the nation's medical schools. And there is one that you will recognize that we're going to talk about that didn't look quite so good. And we'll talk about those reasons why. I think it's an important situation as the federal government. tries to break down this cancer, which has taken over so much of our educational system. And needless to say, I'm sure that, you know, because of this kind of report,

there will probably next be protesting around this hospital. But we'll tell you more about it coming up, all right? Need a roof that performs and lasts? Stephen? Electricplus.com. You're hearing the Bill Myers Show on 1063, KMED. 7705633. Ian, who was going to check in from Do No Harm, we're going to have to reschedule that

for some reason. It's not answering. So that's okay. We still have plenty of news to cover this morning. And the top national story, which of course is affecting us locally, is President Trump deploying the National Guard. And Portland and the city, the city of Portland

rather, and the state of Oregon, of course, are suing to stop this to put a temporary restraining order on it. I don't know what's going to happen with this one. but what I do find interesting is some of the some of the reactions that we're seeing here. Sure, parts of the city are war zones.

We all know this about Portland. We know this, and it's an issue. There's this fellow who is in the New York Times or from the New York Times. Nicholas Christoph, he had the funniest example of this line of argument that Portland is mostly peaceful. He had an ex post over the weekend that I was reading. In fact, I'm going to read from it.

President Trump has dispatched federal troops to what he calls war-ravaged Portland. Portland has its problems, but it is not the hell that Trump claims. It remains a food in wine heaven. Hell does not serve Pino No No. I'm sorry, I'm just starting to laugh as I'm reading it. Hell does not serve Pino Noir this good. I suspect Trump is sending troops mainly to see if he can provoke violence to distract from his messes. The Epstein files, corruption, tariffs, economic softening, and justify his authoritarian rules.

So there are people that I know in the neighborhood around ICE who have been really upset because of the nastiness and the noise and the mayhem that have been there over the last few weeks as ICE has been cracking down. And, of course, what are they cracking down on, essentially sanctuary states like Oregon. That's it, because we are a thorn in the administration's side. Now, I don't know. You think that President Trump might be doing some of this to change the story a bit or not? We can talk about that. What is your overall impression of President Trump sending troops to the ICE facility? And they're doing it for 60 days.

Now, if it goes beyond 60 days, we probably have problems. I look at this as kind of a cooling off sort of situation. We're going to break the cycle of violence. We're going to break the cycle of violence and make that happen. Maybe we can talk about that off and on, all right? Join in 770-5-633-770 KMED. Actually, I think that the guest I was searching for just a few minutes ago, I do believe that he is there right now.

Ian from Do No Harm Medicine. Is this you, Ian? I think it's you. I'm here. I'm so sorry about the delay. My phone thought it was spam. Oh, no. No, I'm spam when I call people.

I'm just kidding. Certainly not. Okay, glad to know that. Hey, Ian, I'm glad you're here because there's another Oregon connection to the story we're going to be talking about right now. Could you tell us a little bit? By the way, what's your last name? I forgot to ask you here as we're going on the air. sure it's Kingsbury

Ian Kingsbury and what is your position within do no harm medicine and what is do no harm medicine all about yes so we are a non-profit membership health care advocacy organization we are at this point more than

35,000 members strong mostly U.S. but international as well and we're a group of people who are dedicated to restoring merit and sanity to medicine and so what that looks like and our main, our two main issue areas are DEI in medicine.

So, of course, getting rid of DEI and its attendant ideology out of medicine. And in the bottom line there is, is it one of those situations where you want people promoted in the medical world who are just insanely talented and qualified, not checking boxes? In other words, that's kind of the goal, right? That's exactly right. you know, that identity box checking is now such a, it's become such an integral part of the medical school admissions process. And theoretically, the Supreme Court nixed that two years ago in a case called Students

for Fair Admissions versus Harvard when they ruled against affirmative action. But unfortunately, we've seen the case that many medical schools are essentially pretending like nothing happened and continuing to engage in what looks like flagrant discrimination in service of these DEI goals. In other words, you could have two, let's say you have a couple of candidates who are applying for medical school, and all that matters, the one who may check the identity box is rated more highly, and yet the one who perhaps has higher grades and higher aptitude

is ignored because they don't check a box? Is it that blatant? It really is, and we're not even talking about a tiebreaker. I mean, we're talking about massive penalties and, bonuses conferred to applicants based on their race. You know, on the extreme one end is Asian applicants who are heavily penalized, and then on the other end, black candidates who are substantially rewarded, you know, just for what happens to be a meaningless, you know, box that they're checking.

So, you know, it's remarkably ugly out there. I've been concerned about DEI in the medical world because, to me, it was going to get to the point where if people started figuring it out that people were being promoted just because of race or ethnicity, then if someone is a minority candidate or someone is a minority doctor, people start automatically assuming he or she got the position through DEI rather than their talent. And I think that's harmful in the long term. And then what's everybody going to do? They're going to go look for the Jewish or Asian surgeon and ignore everybody else. I mean, could it be that blatant over time that ends up working out that way? Absolutely. And for some reason,

this is still considered impolite to talk about, but it is the inevitable reality of it. And this is a well-established phenomenon that's called external stigmatization. You know, we, as consumers of their product, are aware of those different standards. And so it's inevitable over time, as you said, that people are going to seek out that Asian or Jewish doctor. I mean, unfortunately, you know, that, why wouldn't they? And I know we're talking about a stereotype, but, you know, a lot of stereotypes, especially in the, in some of the trades, there are some realities. It talks about culture, the basic, looking at the basic culture of certain ethnic groups.

That's just the way it goes, unfortunately, just it is. Right, right. And, you know, honestly, as an organization, we take no, we take no position on that. Our feeling is just that if you happen to be an exceptionally bright and capable individual, whatever, you know, whatever culture or background you happen to come from, nothing else matters at that point. What matters is your capacity of being an excellent physician. And I have to add, by the way, on this note of stigmatization, it's also really unfortunate for those high number of very capable black or Hispanic doctors who could have been there on their own merit. That's right.

You know, then they have to feel the blowback of, you know, of those suspicions. It's just, it's a terrible and tragic situation. Yeah, everybody knows the smear. That would have to sting to know that you made it just because you were smart and accomplished, but you get tagged with the DEI hire label, and that's not fun. That's not fair, either. It's not. No. All right, so let's talk about how, uh, do no harm, you just recently launched this Center for Accountability in Medicine, and so what you're doing is ranking and exposing the medical schools that push the identity politics, and what could you tell us about the latest reporting? It's quite interesting. Yeah, so there are sort of, there are rankings that already exist for medical schools,

but they don't really tell prospective medical students or patients the information that they would necessarily want to know. So, for example, U.S. News and World Report, which is an off-sighted one, they issue sort of two medical school rankings, one which really focuses on research that happens at medical schools, and the other which focuses on primary care, or really the number of graduates from that program who end up practicing in primary care, but neither of those metrics tell me anything about the quality of the physicians that they're accepting or training, really. And so that was the purpose of what we wanted to do here was to give prospective students and patients information about which schools are really taking the best

applicants and which seems to be doing the best job of really centering merit and excellence and skewing identity politics. And so using that information really were mostly focused on the GPA and MCAT scores. Okay, what are the MCAT scores for those that don't know? I want to make sure they understand that. Yeah, so that's the test that every student has to take if they want to, if they want to enroll in medical school in the United States. And historically has been extremely important in determining whether a student is accepted into medical school or not.

And the MCAT really like the SAT or the LSAT, which is for law school, really all of these are just sort of different versions of an aptitude test. And so it makes sense that we should be placing a ton of emphasis on these when we're thinking about who's going to get admission into medical school. Yeah, if your MCAT score is pretty good, and chances are you have a pretty good foundation for being a good physician or surgeon. Is that fair? Way to look at them.

That's exactly right. I mean, you know, the soft skills matter. Ideally, we want someone who has decent bedside manner and empathy. But at the end of the day, the thing that matters far away more than anything else is, uh... it's their technical competency i mean if i'm going into the operating room like i would sure i was for the surgeon to be a decent guy but above all else i would love for him to be a highly skilled and capable sure

yeah in other words uh... sometimes maybe uh... you'll tolerate a doctor house remember tv's doctor house what a nasty piece of work he was but he was pretty good at diagnosing you right that kind of thing that treating you that think that's exactly right ultimately that that's what matters we're not going to heal you with kindness. Yeah. So what did you find out then? There's a medical school excellence index, which is a definitive kind of, this is a ranking then of looking for academic excellence. So we're looking for the really smart people being transparent about it. And we just want to find the best people, which medical schools actually focus on that?

So the winner in our rankings is actually University of South Florida, which I guess facially might be sort of surprising to people only because it's not a school that we immediately think of as an academic juggernaut, not a place that you would think of as competing with the Harvard and the Stanford's and the Dukes or even the University of Florida for that matter. But it turns out here is a school that has really just been very deliberate about the idea of bringing in their best and most capable students. And so what's actually happened is that the scores, both the undergraduate GPA and those medical college entrance exam scores, of the students at that school, they perfectly mirror what you see at those highly prestigious so-called lead institutions. It's exactly the same scores as the students at Duke Medical School have at Stanford and Harvard. You know, people wouldn't necessarily suspect it's, again, based on the name.

But because they've been so hyper-focused on actually bringing in the best candidates, that's what's transpired. And then once the students are there, they're engaging in meaningful differentiation among the students that they have there. So they're actually issuing grades during all four years of medical school. They actually have a National Honors Medical Society that recognizes the top quarter of the class. Now, you said something they're quite interesting. Ian Kingsbury is with me once again, do no harm medicine. You had just mentioned something that piqued my interest. You said that they actually grade throughout the years.

Are there medical schools that have people there that they don't grade them? Yes. So... Really? Yeah. So, in fact, this has become the norm. the first and second year of medical school, what are called the pre-clinical or pre-clerkship years,

when students are actually learning, you know, anatomy and physiology and biology. Most medical schools at this point are operating on a past sale system for year one and year two. Most are issuing something, at least resembling grades, during the third and fourth year of medical school, but that means there was a lot of important information that was thrown out.

And there are even some schools at this point, that aren't grading during those years. So there's no grading whatsoever. So University of California, San Francisco, and Yale are two examples of schools that give no grades whatsoever during the course of medical school. That just shocks me. It really does. I would have thought that if you're looking for the students with the, well, well, the most

rigor, the most, you know, rigorous paying attention to detail, the most rigorous courses, that you would be grading them all four years. So is that another example of? What, too many people are flunking out so they relax the standards? Is that what's going on? Oh, yeah. All of this is done with DEI goals in mind. You know, a lot of it, it starts with the observation that there's group differences in outcomes.

And, you know, again, unsurprisingly, the groups that they have lower admission standards for tend to perform worse once in medical school. Imagine that. As any reasonable person could have anticipated. And so then, you know, they want to really, they want to basically quash. any paper trail of that performance. And so one of the manifestations of that is doing away with grades. And this is a very dangerous business, by the way, because those grades are really important when it comes to residency selection

or what the doctor is going to specialize in for their career. And, you know, when we talk about highly specialized things like neurosurgeon, really you want the most capable of the most capable. It's a difference. Yeah, do you really want a neurosurgeon that end of the, going through anatomy with a with a pass a pass could be the equivalent of a of a D grade or an A grade right anywhere you want pass or fail right exactly and the medical schools by the way are graduating like 98 to 99% of their students so

it's not like they're even weeding out the you know the bad or mediocre ones at this point it's you know it's crazy out there okay so by the way Ian Kingsbury do know harm medicine is who I'm talking to right now about the Medical School Excellence Index. So that school in Florida, actually one of the top of the top, from what I understand, NYU's Grossman School, also highly ranked University of Michigan Medical School, highly ranked. In other words, these are schools that are looking for grades and rigor, you know, essentially as part of what they're focusing on.

Now, let us take, well, let's take OHU, Oregon Health and Sciences University, okay? That is our big teaching hospital that we have here. How does it rank in this medical school excellence index, Ian? We give them an F, which is a dishonor that's reserved for about, I think, 18% of the medical schools in the country. But, you know, as far as medical schools go, the quality of the students that they're bringing in there is not fantastic. And the school maintains a very clear and candid commitment to DEI. And, you know, President Trump issued an executive order telling colleges to do away with this. But there are many that are continuing to operate that sort of discreetly.

And then there are some who are doing it more candidly. And here's a school that's doing it candidly. They're still all in on DEI and the results are there to show for it. And from what I understand, if you're all in on DEI, Oregon Health and Sciences University is like one of the most highly ranked, hey, we are all in on diversity, equity, and inclusion to the exclusion, I guess, of actual core medical competence. Is it that bad or potentially that bad? It is, yeah.

And I mean, the information that we're missing here, obviously, is not knowing exactly what's going on within the medical school. And so, you know, we hope that some of these schools that are playing these horrible games in their admissions process or at least delivering a decent quality of education. But we don't know, and I can't assure that. There was some reporting by Aaron Sabarium at the Washington Free Beacon about a quote-unquote racial and health equity course that was offered at the UCLA School of Medicine, where they brought in a homeless person to engage the class in chance of freeing Mama Earth and Free Palestine and, you know, these wild ideological adventures that have nothing to do with the practice of medicine.

And so it's not, you know, the concern is not only the ways in which it corrupts the admissions and grading process, but even just what they're learning on a day-to-day basis. I know that we have some practitioners here that will call the show now and then that are talking about what the state does to essentially require them to go through DEI courses in order to renew their practices license. And this has been something that still has not really been vanquished at this point. We're still having to deal with it. Still have to deal with it.

Yeah, this is a common thing where, unfortunately, you know, a physician or a nurse has to go through these so-called implicit bias training in order to renew their license. And, you know, the quote-unquote science behind all that is just junk. It's total garbage and a complete waste of time. It's really about the enforcement of an ideology, not providing any useful information to anyone. Ian, where could people go to actually read this entire medical school Excellence Index and peruse the various medical schools that are ranked really highly, ones in the middle, maybe the one's not so good like OHSU, apparently, but also read the ideology so they understand that

or the methodology, rather, of coming up with the ranking. Where do they go? Yeah, so I would invite you first to start on our main website, which is dunalharmedicine.org. You would see it linked from there, but if you're trying to find that exactly, you could also Google Dunel Harm Medicine, medical school excellence index and get there directly.

But, you know, we have a ton of useful information when it comes to, you know, pushing back on some of these prominent claims about DEI and gender medicine. and we've published a number of reports and op-ed taking on these things. So if you're new to us, you know, there's a lot that we would love for you to get caught up on and ideally join us as a member. Yeah, I know personally, the way I would look at it is virus going in for heavy-duty medical treatment. I wouldn't care what color or ethnicity.

I don't care if they're pink. Okay? It's like you just want that medical degree to actually mean something. And when you go all in on DEI, it kind of dilutes it, doesn't it? Doesn't it? Doesn't it dilute the, you know, the importance of having that? It really does. Yeah, I mean, DEI seems to be all about hyperfixation on those immutable characteristics and separating people by race. You use the word exclusion there. It really is all about exclusion. Where we see DEI, we see racial separatism, we see racial antagonism. We often see anti-Semitism. You know, the label is very misleading. Really, none of this has to do with bringing harmony or equity to people.

has to do with racial antagonism and division. Ian Kingsbury from do-no-harm Medicine.org, great report. Thanks for sharing some of the details about it. Maybe OHSU can actually start focusing on strictly the best medical people, period, and hopefully you're exposing or exposing the situation will help. Thanks so much, Ian. Good to having you on. Thanks for having me.

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