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Episode Date: September 30, 2025

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The Bill Meyer Show podcast is sponsored by Klauser Drilling. They've been leading the way in southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausurrilling.com. Six minutes after seven at the Bill Myers Show. Former State Senator Herman Berchiger, we're going to be talking about some issues. What's up in Portland? Some other about Paula. The coffee is outstripping my tongue.

All right, political news. There we go. We'll have that coming up. Hey, some emails of the day. Let's get some of those on here. I want to make sure and share some of this. Emails of the day, sponsored by Dr. Steve Nelson and Central Point Family Dentistry. It's on Freeman Way next to Mazadlon Mexican restaurant, Central Point Family Dentistry.com.

While you weigh crowns, it's available. It's worked for me. Love it. Ask him about that, okay? Randy weighs in from Ashland Bill. Another Patsy? Charlie Kirk's, this is going back to the talk with a Joel Skalson yesterday. Charlie Kirk's alleged shooter is being set up to be the next Patsy.

edited surveillance video no bullet no ballistics physical damage to kirk inconsistent with the caliber of the weapon add up to yet another gaslighting story becoming recorded history every time we allow official lies to become regarded as truth we are one step closer to tyranny the truth matters until we stand up demanding the truth about 9-11 Oklahoma city sandy hook climate change JFK we will be subjected to one lie after another as long as they get away with convincing people lies of truth we'll get more of it alone voice, not enough. It takes massive pushback. Randy, appreciate the opinion. Hans writes me this morning. Bill, to answer your question with Joel Scounzen yesterday as to why, why about a Kirk cover-up, if that is what was going on, what would be the benefit of something like this? Hans Opines, the Kirk cover-up could be a subtle deep state invite to call the herd of more Kirk wannabes. His martyrdom has produced thousands more who want to stand up, speak out, and be bold. It's a quick way for the deep stator types to see who's coming up the ranks and deal with them early. Interesting. Now, he had Virgil right me this morning, Bill, recently got a notification from Pacific Power that my equal pay

amount was going up due to increased usage. A quick review of the previous two 12-month period showed that my actual usage of power had gone down. So the increase is clearly due to the ever rising cost of electricity in Oregon. Why doesn't Pacific Power just say so? This is especially frustrating given that much of the rise is tied to the state's renewable energy mandate. You have covered this before, but it's worth highlighting again. If total electricity production doesn't increase the renewable mandate is in reality just a financial reallocation and a not a real emissions reduction. Point well take it. Thank you very much for that, Virgil. The email bill at Billmeyer's show.com.

You're worried because your home has been on market with no success. Here's Bill Meyer. Former state senator Herman Barichiger back on the program. Herman, we always love talking with you, seeing how things are going. I understand this morning you are plugging holes in your checkbook, right? That what you're doing, plugging the holes? Well, you know, you get signed up on all these accounts from Amazon, all these, and every month there's a little automatic deduction in your checking account.

So we've been sitting here all morning going through all that. Because, man, once they get your credit card number, it shows up on your statement every month. And the other thing, which, of course, is quite evil, is the automatic renewal. Like, there's a, you know, I like, there's a couple of magazines I still subscribe to, you know, some paper magazines, because, you know, me, I'm a foamer. I like trains. So I get trains magazines. And, of course, if you don't say something, they will automatically renew it. You know, it'll be like three years.

I get a three-year subscription, and then they still have your credit card, and then boom. It is bang you. Reason Magazine. And it's like I'm having to go in here and cancel Reason Magazine and a bunch of other ones. But it's like these little nicks and bloodlettings that are very easy just to let continue if you don't take some action, really. Well, what's interesting, you know, there's two ways to do it. Just call your credit card company and say you lost your credit card. and they send you a new one. So that cancels everything.

That's true. I like that one. Yeah. But because going on to, if you go onto their website, and you spend 20 minutes searching, searching, searching the website, and finally you'll find in the very smallest print, cancel your account. Yeah, you're right. Now, I know that there was a lawsuit against Amazon Prime that had just been settled over just that, that from now on, they have to make it just as easy to cancel as it was to sign up because they would they would bury that before so there are some changes there for sure hey i wanted to uh to touch on a couple of things right now and the of course governor kotech of course fighting back against trump they released the text messages between the governor and uh and president trump when it comes for the need she's claiming that there is no need for this uh for this deployment of troops president trump Trump obviously thinks that there is.

What is your overall take? I was reading Willamette Week, and they were talking about how there are nightly skirmishes going on there by the ice building. And I would think, well, as long as you're having nightly skirmishes, even they're calling it that, isn't that reason enough just to throw a few troops up there and see what happens? What do you think? Well, first of all, Kotech is not governor of material. She's been an activist all of her life. I listened to her press conference along the Willamette River where none of this is going on.

And she has to do that. She put her activist hat on, and she has to do that because she has to appease these people. Or they'll go nuts on her. They will tear her down. And that's what we've seen back in 2020, you know, with the riots and burning Portland down and all of that. And you noticed all the Democrat legislators from Portland, well, all the Democrat legislators, even not from Portland, never, right, they never said a peep. Governor Brown never said a peep because if they did, those people would turn on them. And when I was in the Senate, and I stood up in the Senate floor and started to talk about this and why we're not doing anything,

And they literally, the Senate president literally started to gavel me down. And when I wouldn't shut up, they turned off my microphone. And you haven't talking about the hard left activism essentially is like Voldemort, right, from Harry Potter. You're not supposed to mention this. Well, it's like kryptonite to him. And so it got so bad because I kept talking. No microphone. I don't care about gabbles.

I kept talking louder and louder. He finally was going to adjourn the session for that day. That's how crazy it was. And then I had Senator Steiner Hayward come over to my desk and say, Senator, please don't talk about what's going on in Portland. It's so difficult down there. And we just don't want to simply talk about it. And that's what Democrats do, Bill,

is when there is a problem that makes them look bad, they will make excuses, they will turn the blind eye, and that's the problem. Essentially just appeasing the dirtbagginess then. So there's a part of me, and it's not that I'm a big fan of just like throwing National Guard troops on the streets,

but arguably there are some people up in the Portland area that obviously needs spanked and spanked hard. wouldn't you say, you know, given what's been going on up there? You can't let people destroy personal property or public property and say it's okay. And that's what Governor Kotech did yesterday. She basically told him it's okay, and she has to do that, or they will tear her down. Well, I look at it this way. If the troops of the 200 National Guard, the Oregon National Guard troops end up, you know,

being up there getting deployed, survive court challenges. I know that they're throwing a hail Mary and trying to stop the president from doing this. And if everything is peaceful there, what's hurting for 60 days? We're talking about a 60-day deployment, right? This is not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things. Well, she still has to do it or they'll tear her down. They will turn on her and tear her down. Okay.

And that's what has to stop. You have to stop these people, you know? I mean, look at Eisenhower. He's 101st Airborne screaming Eagles in Alabama. Yeah, and that was over school desegregation, right? We weren't even talking about destruction of public property, things like that. All right. Fair enough.

Well, as far as I'm concerned, the spanking can come soon enough. And the one thing that we've discovered that the left, the progressive Democrats really can't handle. They cannot handle the concept of true authority. And to have a society, there has to be some hierarchical, a hierarchical, rather, authority figure of some point. And I guess because default, President Trump is daddy this time. Daddy's coming to town, I guess. How else can you look at this? It's the rule of law.

We have the rule of law in this country, and guess what? There's consequences if you break the law. And if you don't like the law, then go run for office and change it. That's how it works in our country. But you have to have, if you don't enforce the rule of law, what do you got, Bill? You got anarchy. And there's been a lot of that on the streets of Portland, so no doubt. I'm happy this is going there, and I would imagine that over time,

you will have that same sort of visit, like, I forget where the troops were being deployed. Was it Chicago? And I think people were actually thanking them for showing up. Right. Yeah. Right. Because the people living there don't want it. The people living around the ice building don't want the chaos in Portland.

No way. No. So that springboards us into the next topic, and that's the 29 statues that have disappeared in Oregon in the last five years. because it's the same anarchists that are tearing the statutes down. In 2020, they tore the George Washington and the Thomas Jefferson statute and the Oregon Pioneer Woman Statute, and Eugene tore it all down. And they wrote on it, spray-painted, abolish America, you know. And then they went on later on, and they tore down the Teddy Roosevelt

and the Abraham Lincoln Statute. And they tried to burn down the historical side. in Portland, and they spray painted all over it in America. You know, that's what these people are doing. They, let's see, where else did they go? Oh, the police memorial in Portland, they destroyed it and said, dead pigs. They vandalized the Vietnam, the World War II Memorial, and in Astoria, they wrote anti-fascist give the land back on the memorial to lost sailors at sea?

What is the lost sailors at sea? Well, I'll tell you, I'll tell you, in my benevolent dictatorship, and it would be late, it's getting less benevolent the more we talk about these kind of things, Herman. I would say, okay, I find the people who say give the land back, and I'll tell you what, let's give their land back. How about that? You know, the first people, you first. Well, they probably don't own any, okay?

That could be. that could be yeah but bill but when was the last time you heard a Democrat speak out against this almost never

rarely if ever in fact I think Federman might be one of the few Democrats that has you know occasionally burp

something that was not you know completely incoherent on such matters right and this is just Oregon let alone the rest of the country but this is how

petty and stupid it has got in bend in bend Okay, at one of the intersection on a city traffic, on a city traffic time, they had a picture of a chuck wagon on the Oregon Trail, and the leftist went nuts. Oh, but because that's the side of oppression, right? No, they said it's a symbol.

Now, get this. How do you get a chuck wagon on a trail is a symbol? genocide. It must have been bad cooking. You know, Herman, like I said, the spanking can't come soon enough. And I'm going to be talking with Harvey Dillon about spanking that they're trying to do right now in the Oregon election system. And do you think that that is going to be, could that be the linchpin to begin the toppling of the total one-party state that we're going to be? we have in Oregon, you actually getting the election world cleaned up. What are your opinions

of that? It'll certainly help, but what will help more, Bill, is when good people are not putting up with this crap. I'll give you an example. This homeless stuff in Grants Pass, my son came home one day with his young family, and he was so upset. He came over to my house, and he said, Dad, I don't know how long we can take this. I said, what's up? He says, well, we're coming from the soccer game, his daughters are three and five, and they stopped at DeBoe Park at the stop sign, and there was one individual sitting on the sidewalk with a needle stuck in her arm, and another one, a few 10, 15 feet away, defecating on the sidewalk, and his little daughter asked, Daddy, what are these people doing?

and you know what when we keep putting when good people keep putting up with this it's going to keep going it's going to take people who talk about it all the time think this is bad you know what it's time we start doing something about it and say we're not tolerating it anymore that's the only thing that's going to change it do you think it will rise to the point where it's going to take a city and i'm not necessarily calling out grants pass or anybody else but just a city say, I don't care what that judge says. Is it going to get to that point, you think, over time? What it's going to take is people going to the city council and make it standing room only outside and say, we're done. We are finished with this no more. That's what

is going to, until that happened, it's going to continue. But aren't the city's hands tied legally? what's been going on, you know, around Grants Pass and many other cities. The only way to change this, Bill, is public opinion. If you do not change the public opinion, it will not change. All right. Former State Senator Herman Berchiger, we appreciate you coming on. Be well. Keep plugging those checkbook leaks.

I have to do that myself, okay? Thanks for the reminder. Thanks, Bill. Oh, hey, before you take on, I forgot to ask you. 4.3 billion. will it get turned down by the voters next year? I wonder if they would pay attention or they just get used to paying it, if they get it on the ballot. It's going to, I would say in a simple vote of the citizens, yes.

However, the unions, the Teachers Association, the environmental groups, and everything, are going to pour their heart and soul and wallet into shooting it down. So let's see what happens. All right. Former State Senator Berichicker, appreciate the talk. Be well, okay? Take care. Thanks.

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Proud to have Harmie Dillon, United States, Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights Division on the show, and she's quite a resume, former vice chair of the California Republican Party, former National Committee woman of the Republican National Committee for California, Gillen Law Group, and just an amazing, an amazing story. And, of course, working with regards to civil liberties. Harmeet, it's a pleasure having you on. Morning. Thanks for having me today.

Harmeet, I don't think I would be over-exaggerating to say most listeners right now are pretty happy with what the Department of Justice is doing looking into the Oregon's election system that suit that was filed recently. What did Oregon do to attract the DOJ's attention or what aren't we doing as a state? Well, thanks for asking. So one of my many hats here at the Department of Justice is the nation's top election police officer. And I have the duty to make sure that our federal election laws are being upheld around the country, and they include the Help America Vote Act, the National Voter Registration Act, and the Civil Rights Act of 1960, all of which impose on the state certain duties regarding helping people register to vote, but also making

sure the voter rolls remain updated and clean, and part of that includes that the Attorney General of the United States under the Civil Rights Act of 1960 gets to review and kind of look at different states' election records. And so we've been asking states to give us their current, unredacted electronic copy of their voter registration list to provide us with information on how they maintain that list, how they purge ineligible voters, et cetera, and then to disclose to us the registration information that may have existed on the voter rolls for voters who are ineligible, like who may not be citizens, who have died, who have moved, et cetera, how many of those there are and who they are.

Oregon and some other states flatly refused to comply with us, and they had a variety of different arguments, privacy issues. They didn't want to give us the last four of the social and so forth. They don't trust the federal government with this information, blah, blah, blah. So anyway, that's why we filed suit, because we believe. it is our duty. And your secretary of state, Tobias Reed, has violated those three federal statutes. So we will see what the court says. What is the ask? I mean, are you just saying, hey, just hand the information over and all is forgiven, or is there more to the lawsuit?

No, we want the information. That's it. We are here to help state keep their elections clean and honest. Every American citizen in a federal election is entitled to their vote being counted equally and only once and only with other American citizens. And that's just not happening. Literally in the news this week is a story of some illegal alien who has a $300,000 job with a school district somewhere and he's been registered to vote since 2012. I was reliably told by the left that that didn't happen in America and guess what it does happen. So that's a problem. We have elections in this country that are decided by one vote. And it is unacceptable for states to fall down on the job.

And I think that's why actually a lot of these states don't want to give me their voter rolls is they haven't been doing a very good job keeping their voter rolls clean. The fact of the matter is a lot of people who take the job of Secretary of State and a State, they're parking it for some other job. They don't really want that job,

and people don't really do a great job with that job. And that's a bipartisan problem, by the way. We've even sued a red state as well. And so we are going to get to the bottom of this. We're going to clean up America's voter rolls. We're going to help states do their jobs. That's our role. And we're not going to be deterred by non-cooperation from state officials.

Are you, as the federal government and the DOJ trying to get to the point where we no longer have researchers able to come in and do seminars here in Southern Oregon? And one example I'll bring up here is that, hey, did you know in Jackson or Josephine County, you have 105% of the voting population registered. Is this what you're looking at at the DOJ? I mean, I won't get into specifics, but that's obviously a problem. And I know from my own personal experience, I testified during my Senate confirmation hearing that in California, you know, there were a million people on the voter rolls of Los Angeles County, according to the results of a 2017 lawsuit by Judicial Watch that didn't belong there.

And California agreed to take them off. And I don't know if that's happened, quite frankly. And they certainly aren't keeping it up to date. So it's a national problem. and it requires a national solution. The national solution, would you think the national solution would go so far here, Harmeet, as to get rid of vote by mail, at least in federal elections? I know normally states are pretty much in charge of whatever they do with their elections usually

for their state and local. But what about federal? What do you think? Yeah, no, I mean, that's not something that we're trying to do here or that we can do, quite frankly. Constitution clearly delegates to the states the sort of details of how elections are run. We respect that. But when there is a federal election involved, these federal statutes come into play, and we're going to enforce that.

So I personally, not a fan of vote by mail, I think it should be allowed for people who are sick or whatever, you know, there's some good reason, military, whatever. but generally speaking, able-bodied Americans should vote in person. It increases the security of the election, and security of our elections is important. Americans have lost confidence in this very basic contract, if you will, between citizens and their government, that they will be governed according to some set of rules that is verifiable and fair. Here in the state of Oregon, all you have to do when you register, no motor voter, is a firm.

You affirm that you are an American citizen, but you aren't required to provide any proof. Is that anything that the federal government is perhaps looking into? Because, you know, we're kind of a faith-based system is how we've termed it here in Oregon. Yeah, no, I'm not going to comment on that. I think Oregon needs to do a better job of its own laws. other states have actually implemented voter ID requirements, and I commend those to the voters of Oregon. You get that information, Harmeet, at the DOJ.

What would you do with it? What happens with information that is brought up? Because you're right, the state's going to make the excuse of, hey, you know, it's like this, it's very private, very sensitive information. It's like, yeah, so we have lots of sensitive information floating around the world. What's so you? But look at the logic. They're not going to give the federal.

government, the last for somebody's social, the federal government issues that information. That is just dumb. So what we're going to do is make sure, through comparison of different states, that, you know, people who have been removed from a voter roll in one state, you know, like, because they're dead, let's make sure they aren't showing up somewhere else. It's really just to help purge ineligible voters for federal elections from the voter rolls. of all the states our suspicion is that the ineligible voters that are left on the you know on the roles can enable some abuse or hankiness is that the the way the DOJ looks at this or not well it certainly

can it's just basic common sense something else i don't know if you can speak to this or not but earlier this year by the way i'm speaking with harmy dillon and uh we're very proud to have harmy Dillon, the United States Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division. President Trump back in March issued an election integrity executive order. It was pretty comprehensive. There was a whole lot of that. And what I thought was interesting was one about demanding election day, because right now, Oregon has election week, so to speak. You can have something, you know, come into the election office up to a week after election day.

is there enough statutory support for President Trump to be able to back that up to your knowledge? I know I'm asking for a little speculation at this point, but it was a pretty big ask of President Trump's executive order. Yeah, I can't comment on that. That's policy matter. Okay. Is that a federal policy matter or a state policy matter in your view? Look, I mean, I'm not, I think I answered your question. Okay.

All right. All right. I know that there are some things you can talk about. All right. When do you think this case will be heard in the federal system, this case against the state of Oregon? Well, typically what happens in a litigation like this in federal court is that a state makes a motion to dismiss. You know, that's going to be according to the local rules sometime in the next whatever 30 to 60 days, possibly. there may be a different briefing schedule

that the court sets that's longer and then the court rules on that and then, you know, discovery may occur, settlements may occur. In some cases, we have sued states for noncompliance and they immediately came to the table to start settlement discussions.

And so we are always happy when that happens. It's efficient. And, you know, we were just trying to help. So, for example, North Carolina agreed after we sued them to come to the table and agree to clean up the 190,000 voters

on their voter rolls who are not properly admitted to voter rolls with proper authorization of their citizenship. All right. Glad to know this. Harmi,

is this something that I don't know if you could, I know you're here talking about election integrity, but since you are in the Civil Rights Division, is this something where you keeping an eye

on the Antifa situation in the state of Oregon? Is that anything you can comment on because I know the president declared them a terrorist organization, and this is a big deal, especially in the Portland area since about 2016. Is that the DOJ? Is the DOJ on that case, to your knowledge? There's no case as such. I'm not sure what case you're talking about. I mean, I am the only lawyer. I think in America

sued and won a judgment against Antifa in a civil case in Oregon. But, you know, obviously from the news, we can all tell that the president has designated Antifa terror organization. They are probably the subjects of multiple investigations, but I cannot give you any details here on a radio call. Okay. All right. Now, I understand that. When I said on the case, not a case, but are you aware of the working?

I really have to run. I've got to go. Okay. Well, the bottom takeaway of this, then, is that you're asking for the voting. information. I don't think there's any reason why you shouldn't have the voting information, and chances are a pretty good chance you're going to get it, and then a more integrity in our system. Is that our takeaway from this right now, Harmeet? I very much hope so, and we're doing this nationally. I'm not picking on Oregon. We've sued California. We're asking every state to do

their duty, and we expect them to cooperate and not waste tax dollars, fighting frivolous, making frivolous objections to federal law. Well, I also must say, that if you were going to pick on Oregon, I wouldn't blame you, but that's just a personal comment, okay? I appreciate the call, and thank you very much, Armeet. Take care. Okay, goodbye. Bye-bye. Bye-bye, Dillon.

Harmeet Dillon, once again. This is News Talk 1063, KMED, and you're waking up with the Bill Myers Show. 752. Harmie Dillon was on just a couple of minutes ago. None of you have thought about what you heard. I don't know if she was, she mad at me, maybe. I don't know. Hi, good morning.

Who's this? Welcome. This is Ann. How are you this morning, Bill? I'm fine, Ann. How are you? I'm great. Thank you for having Harmeet Dillon.

I have a friend that knows her, and if I was Tobias Reed, I'd salute and then hand her everything she wants. That's kind of the way I'm looking at it, too. I think I do believe Tobias is in over his head on that. We'll see. Well, I'll tell you one thing. She's not a lady that I would take on. No, I would not want her to be on the wrong side. No, I have a friend that noser, and you don't want to take that lady on.

All right. Tobias better get his head out of where the sun doesn't shine because if he doesn't, he's going to be in deep doo-do. All right. Hey, appreciate the call, Ann. Thanks for that. 7705-633. I'm also kind of wondering if this could make a difference, if this is the beginning of making a difference in the state of Oregon when it comes to election integrity. Hi, good morning.

This is Bill. Who's this? Hello. Hey, Bill. Is this me? Yeah, it is. Bill. Steve in Sunny Valley.

Hi, Steve. Two things. I think Harmeet has a very full schedule, and she was short on time, and she assumed you were hostile because you're from Oregon. Gosh, I thought, you know, when I started off with, I think that most listeners are thrilled that you're paying attention to Oregon. I don't know how hostile she could think I was. Yeah.

The other thing is everybody says that Antifa is a domestic terror organization. organization, they're an international terror organization. They are all over Europe. And since they're outside as well as inside, foreign and domestic, I think that might increase the latitude that the federal government can take attacking them. And then the third thing I have is a question, who is funding this recall campaign? Is there any way we can tie it to Act Blue or Soros or some of the other? When you're talking about recall campaign, are you speaking about local Josephine County? Yeah, Josephine County.

The commissioner recalled. Yeah. And now there's a new article in the courier saying how bad these commissioners are, and it's all half-proof and lies of omission. And there's got to be a way to counter it, because I know some good conservatives are being duped into being useful idiots. Hmm. Hmm. You don't think that there's a difference of opinion, even within the conservative community?

I'm just asking the question. Okay. Right. And here's what I think. I think that conservatives are very susceptible to being told that somebody is taking more power than they're supposed to have or using the government money for their own personal gain. because we've seen a lot of it from the Democrats, a lot of corruption. And so just the faintest whiff of corruption, and some of it was silly. They accused Chris of having some kind of nefarious connection with putting money into the county airport because he benefits from it. Well, he doesn't benefit from it. He's a volunteer with the Civil Air Patrol. So there's a lot of stretching of this, in your opinion, then.

Okay. Oh, yeah. All right. We'll have to talk. Well, you know, there has been a request or two to talk with the people who are involved with the recall. Maybe I should invite them on. Okay? It's a very fine people on both sides' hopes.

They tell you just enough to get you mad, but not the whole truth. All right. Hey, thanks, Steve. I appreciate that. 7705633. Very fine people on both sides. Sure. Hi, good morning. This is Bill. Who's this? Hello. Hello, Holly Morton, Josephine County. Hey, Holly. How you doing? I'm doing just great. Thank you. You know, there are some things that we need to do in Josephine County through the clerk to ensure our own election integrity. And I, you know, I'm looking at that very keenly. One of the things and it has to do with this current recall is that they, when they get this thing, signatures. They get like 7,500 signatures or something. The clerk is only required to look at 10%, to use those 10% and do a statistical analysis. And that's what they did in the John West recall. And we got a much different result than I would have ever anticipated. All right. So, yeah, this is about the petitioning of it, though. But now, oddly enough,

though, I was looking at the Oregon Constitution about this last night. and I was going over to Article 4, Section 4 about this. And it states pretty clearly that the legislative assembly shall provide by law for the manner in which the Secretary of State shall determine whether a petition contains the required number of signatures of qualified voters. So it would appear the Constitution does permit the rules coming from, you know, the legislature and the Secretary of State to essentially come up with rules to say, Okay, we're only going to sample a percentage of them.

Fair enough? Well, here's a person signed twice, and you're only looking at 10%, you're not going to see that. That's true. And I agree with you. I'm not disagreeing. I think that any kind of – but apparently the legislature has passed laws, and the Secretary of State has essentially done rules to make this okay. Right.

Well, and that's something that's suspect. me because there's so many obvious things to look at that would indicate that that might not be right. In another area of the lot, it says it under 15,000 signatures that you have to count every one of it. If it's over 15,000, you can use this statistical analysis. It's just our... But even then, I don't like statistical analysis with voting, because that way you could just as soon say, why don't we just run elections that way? Well, we'll all cast a vote and then just say, let's do a statistical analysis. We'll sample 10%, right? Right. So our community needs to step up and say, it doesn't matter whether you're on the left, right, or center.

We absolutely, when we're collecting signatures for a recall, we have to look at everyone. Because I personally feel that these recalls are highly exaggerated. We all know that the John West recall, there were so many lies in that. Now, there are lawsuits still flying on that subject, because, there were a lot of questionable, a lot of questionable things. And you wonder, then, have they had counted all the petition signatures, would they have found the same percentage? I know that statistically it's supposed to match.

It's supposed to be a good match, but I don't know. I don't believe they would have. He got elected, you know, by a huge margin. It seems very odd that in no time flat, all of a sudden you could get a recall. Well, you know why, though. Well, you know why they did. And this is why I think this is the flaw in the recall system, is that they do it in December, nobody cares, nobody's paying attention. It should be going, any kind of a recall, frankly, should be going into just as big of an election as the person was elected from.

At least in my opinion, it should be a general election, not a special. Also, in our county, we have a situation where we don't have really good oversight from within. And it's supposed to be that people can come in and sit down and watch the process. And they, you know, this started with COVID, but they start putting people so far away from being able to look at the signatures or actually watch the process. But to me, it's just highly suspect. Well, Holly, here's the simple solution to this. Did you ever listen to Coast to Coast A.M. when they would talk about remote viewers. People who could see something by remote, they could sit in one place and they could see in another place.

we need to hire those for election integrity, and that way they can see what the county clerk won't let you see. How about that? I think that was fine. You know, I'm having fun with you, right? We have, but we have, they have a system like that where you can watch it on a TV monitor, so we could sit over in the office and watch it on a TV monitor, but you couldn't see anything. Well, unless you can zoom in and really keep track of it, you're not really able to see it. Okay, that's all. It's pretty ridiculous.

So we need to, as a community, say, look, left, right, and center, we need election integrity. We have to start with our own communities. It's very daunting to try to capture the whole state, but we can have expectations for our own community, and we need to do that. All right. Thanks, Holly. Appreciate the take on it. It's Pebble in your shoe Tuesday. We grab another call here before news. Hi, who's this? Hey, Bill, Swell, Sammon. Steve, what's up? Hey, Herman said something about that the legislature's totally afraid of the crazy left.

The question that comes to my mind is, how do they know? Are they communicating with Antifa some way? Is there a – and Antifa is now a terrorist organization, so that would free up the ability of maybe the FBI or somebody to look at the communications. I think it's more along the, it may not be necessarily a direct communication line, although I think in, was it Governor Brown or Governor Kotex of people who were trying to get a law pass or they did get a law pass that ended up actually, I'd have to talk with Kevin Staird about this, but actually get a law pass that would excuse one of her aides from being attacked or from being attacked legally for what she did with Antifa. I don't know, there could be some back channels going on there, but I think everybody knows that they would just feed on them like a pack of wolves. I think it's pretty well understood. That's true.

Antifa supposedly is non-centralized. It's sort of organic, but it sounds like that there's some national organization to the things that they're doing because they're all doing it at the same time. All right. Point well taken. Steve, I appreciate that. It's Babel in your shoe Tuesday on KMED and KMED HD-H-H-D-H-D-H-D-1 Eagle Point, Medford, KBXG grants pass.

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