Bill Meyer Show Podcast - Sponsored by Clouser Drilling www.ClouserDrilling.com - 10-01-25_WEDNESDAY_8AM

Episode Date: October 2, 2025

Jackson County Commissioner Colleen Roberts announces her re-election run, latest on timber, fire, reason for wanting to stay the course in the county. Open for Business, Randal from Advanced Air - Do not let Pac Power control your thermostat.

The Bill Myers Show podcast is sponsored by Klausur drilling. They've been leading the way in Southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausordrilling.com. And it's always a pleasure to have Jackson County Commissioner Colleen Roberts in studio. By the way, are you board chair right now? I am board chair this year. Okay, so you're the big boss. You're the big boss.

You're the boss of all the other commissioners. I just get to say, I adjourn the meeting. Okay, you swing the gamble, right? Right. Okay, I want to talk about some things going on with the various counties here because you got back from some meetings, what the O&C County meeting, we'll talk about then just a little bit. But you wanted to announce that, I guess it's a political announcement at this point because

a lot of people are making their announcements, are they going to run, are they not? And people are sitting around on tetherhooks? Some people are looking at challenge, I would imagine. So what are you doing? Because this is your third term, and it's going to wrap up next year, right? It does. And everybody keeps asking me, and I appreciate the opportunity on your radio show to announce I am going and ready to file today um to run for my fourth term okay so you're trying to beat the sue

su capillis's record i think she had four she had four i'm i'm trying to match that okay adds up to the voters okay all right very good okay so why do you want to a run for re-election now i'm not criticizing i'm just kind of like wondering a natural thing is why would you want to what do you think is uh is going on that is uh that you want to make sure and be part of that party Well, I just think there is so much going on nationally, federally, at our state level, even locally. That is really a tack on our county, on all rural counties. And we've been pretty successful in the battle. And I think that experience is necessary to protect the strong position Jackson County has, especially.

But, you know, we, I ran the town hall about the wildfire map. and just giving voice to the people and how important that is. And I'm not sure I wouldn't know how to do that my first term. But it was exciting opportunity. And we had legislators there. We had Jeff Golden there. Got a standing ovation and applause that when he announced he would repeal the wildfire mapping. And it finally happened.

It's kind of a circuitous route getting there. small step of success. But the state is after water and putting meters on wells. And real life is really, and property rights, I think, are really under attack. And I'm all over it. And I tell you, when that transportation bill gets signed, I will join Noah Robinson and trying to get those signatures to get a voice of the people on that as well. Yeah. I think that's going to be really interesting. I'll be curious to see how the state would react to this, because it would put the O. Dot bailout on hold, you know, if we get enough of this. We don't know if or when Governor Kotech is going to sign this, but signed it she will.

She'll probably drag it out as long as possible to make it give us a short of a time to be able to respond to it as possible. Yeah, well, you were talking about how, you know, not a great time to change horses, so to speak. In other words, this is not just a, everything's just kind of fine. There's nothing going on and everything. But yet, Jackson County appears to be in pretty darn good shape. In fact, I was looking at this. You know, this map is talking about the Oregon counties facing federal budget deficits in the, or facing budget deficits in the next fiscal year.

And you look at all the eastern counties for the most part, except for one. I forget which one that is over there on the east. Everything around us is. But everything on us, everyone's hurting. Joe County's hurting. Everyone's hurting. Douglas County's hurting. why has Jackson County managed to kind of stay away from those kind of problems?

What are you going on? Well, I don't know how the other counties manage their budgets, but I just, like I say, I was just with several county commissioners and the woes of our discussion was alarming. And I had nothing to add to it, you know. But they all have public service levies that they're going to go after just to keep some amount of public safety in their counties. And we don't have a public safety levy.

You're still doing everything with $2 and a penny. You know, the main county levy. Yes. And it is a challenge. I mean, we have quite a process for budgeting, reviews and hearings over those and a solid conservative approach to budgeting. Could some of this also

to be dealing with the fact that Jackson County, unlike a lot of those other counties, maybe have more of a population, you have enough population in there that you're able to have enough half, I guess, or maybe some, if you want to call it gravitas, you know, in some respects, because you look at some place like a Josephine County, which is always tough, big, lots and lots of land and small cities, you know, they're not huge cities. When you got Medford, Ashland, you know, Central Point. Small cities and community prospect. I mean, Roos, we have a huge county as well, pretty sprawled, 11 cities to also work within our county.

By the way, I'm not getting a pass to the other counties. I'm just like saying that, you know, it's not exactly apples to oranges. You know, we do have a... Every county's different. Yeah. That is for sure. Yeah, they really do. But we are a standout.

and it's been an honor to be to be to keep that um such our county so elevated and um we're separate from the association of oregon counties and we get be rated for that over and over um yeah why did you pull out not you but i'm talking about the board why did the board pull out of the association of Oregon counties besides the fact that it's it's titled aOC i just haven't For AOC for AOC was cool, I think. Yeah, okay. Yeah. But, no, we, well, many reasons. And basically it boiled down to we did not feel we had a return on our investment there.

It was quite a hefty fee to be part of the state association with our travel and all, 70,000 or almost 100,000 a year, just to be part of that only to have us voice, hardly any voice there. it, if Multnomah didn't agree with it, you know, it just was a problem. That's what I was getting at. And they had more voice than we had. Yeah, so Multnomah County was really calling the shots. So it's really the Association of Oregon Counties, the Association of Multnomah County, really kind of running it.

That's kind of what I was concerned about. And, you know, it just seems that the problems that, well, Multnomah County has a different sort of situation, but it has the population density. And that's what I was getting at. But the came to quite ahead in the public safety committee one year, before we left. We kind of sabotaged it. There was a gun bill and we got it to pass to the legislative committee that we were going to oppose it. And they came unglued that we got it that far.

Multnomah County came unglued? Yeah, well, and others, but definitely Multnomah County. And then they're passed a part of the, their rules operation that we can't have anything controversial. And what in, what in us? Unless Malta County wants it. Well, maybe. Yeah. They probably have nothing controversial.

Not, not according to the Oregon way, I guess. Yes. All right. So interesting. So we're finding our counties in probably uncharted dangerous waters over the next few years, right? Would that be a fair assessment of what we're looking at? Well, just definitely changing waters. I think they're always changing, but I think...

Financially challenging, though. Financially, I think we've come accustomed to all the grants, and I think we have to really tighten our belts, and I know we will be in our county as well, just to keep our, well, even the road fund. I mean, our road director is very concerned about what's not going to be passed down to keep our roads managed and in my opinion when the state said well we're not going to plow we're not going to do this i think it's it's more of a bullying my opinion it's really a bullying tactic maybe they're serious but nobody calls their bluff you know yeah you're not going to plow road

so commerce can't trucks can get across all right well a strong a strong county commission can call that can call that bluff it's like oh come on because everybody knew it was a bluff well everybody knew it was bullying is what it was whether it was a bluff or not we don't No, no. Hopefully we don't have to find out. We can plow the roads and actually keep a reasonable budget going at the same time. You just got back from a different county organizational meeting here, and that was the association of what, the O&C counties, right? Those of the railroad counties, the one that's have the railroad lands like Jackson County. That are managed for timber harvest by BLM, Bureau of Land Management. That's where I heard all the county commissioners talking,

Because it's those funds from timber harvest that historically funded our counties greatly. Hey, talk to Joe County. They'd be right there with you on that. Yes, all of us got tens of thousands, tens of billions of dollars from timber harvest. And of course, now our timber harvest is kind of, well, it's about 20% of the of the harvestable timberlands. And then when you put the overlay of the owl and all the endangered species, it's less than that. And we've seen the result. Our forests are on fire or they're so bug-infested.

The timber is no good. A tree dies. Well, I mean, but to your point, though, and I must say, I mean, you fought hard over a number of years here to get that resolution passed to stop the prescribed burning. during high fire season, during fire season. Successfully so. And I know that that has been something that has really irritated a lot of the collaborative at other people who just want to burn, even in the middle of the summer. But you can't say that it hasn't been successful, though,

because although we've had some fire smoke, it hasn't been fire smoke from Jackson County yes, necessarily, has it? No. We've, I haven't gotten the total of acres burned in our county, but very low. and they have put them out and hats off to our firefighters and they work so collaboratively together. And they meet with us every year before fire season. We meet with our federal agencies and the Orient Department of Forestry

and what their fire needs, what our expectations are, and we get it after fire season recap every year. And so we don't just have a policy. We really push the policy. Josephine County has the same resolution, but I don't know they've ever met with them. But you have to, that's why I keep telling the counties, if you're going to do this, they're interested.

One commissioner out of California where they had some big fires, they said, get your Forest Service supervisor there. Oh, he said, oh, he's in San Francisco. I said, it doesn't matter, you know, you have to force the coordination on this issue. They're not going to come. The Forest Service is not going to come demanding or asking you to coordinate with them. you have to demand them to come to the table. You have to demand your place.

And that is my question, even over O&C lands or BLM lands, when we met at the O&C meeting with the state BLM director, Barry Bishu, and I said, so what is your definition of coordination with counties, government-to-government coordination in law? Is it just us doing public comment with the rest of the public? And quite frankly, that's what he thinks of it. Oh, wow. They think it's just, no, no, no.

It's a culture change. We've got to address. Yeah, and Jackson County has done this really well. So I have to give the board kudos on this. My question, though, moving forward here, talking with the other O&C counties that have the timber keeps growing and the timber keeps burning and not a whole one ends up being done to this one. How serious is the Trump administration, in your opinion, about getting more of this? I'm getting some more of this being economically productive to actually help the counties with their funding and also help the timber communities actually eke out a better living than they've been able to over the last 30, 40 years. Well, according to from a meeting, the executive order of President Trump is very much, yes, get timber harvest.

But it's only increasing it like 20 million board feed or, I mean, just pretty, it's a drop in the bucket. And so, yes, so our association and our lobbyist and many and the head of our ONC association are meeting with Department of Interior and they are recommending, you know, like $705 million board feet. And with that, we'd almost be back to normal county payments. And you would also be reducing the amount of fiber that is allowed to just sit out there and dry out and get bug infected and burn. And support the mills that are going to be closing. if we don't, and then the jobs that gets created through our natural resources that is renewable and should be better managed. So that could be a big focus of the next four years, taking that executive order and really

starting, you know, pushing the button. It's a great opportunity. I think we do have at least an open door with the federal administration that we have right now that we didn't have before to get better outcomes from our forests. All right. Very good. So the other AOC or ONC lands, the other ONC counties, are they feeling the same way? Is there unity on this to really push this with the current administration?

Yes, yeah. We all dependent on those payments, on timber payments, because there's no SRS now, the school payment, which was kind of the Medicare payment for us, you know, instead of our payment lieu of taxes, you know, for counties. It was a Band-Aid, in my opinion. But instead of timber receipts, and we're all in timber receipts now. So we've got to get some timber cut. All right.

Sounds good to me. Commissioner, I appreciate you coming on and share a bit about that. Always have an open door. Always have an open door. I appreciate that. It's been my honor to be a representative of the people of Jackson County. and I've I it beats my pleasure to continue on all right got your website ready yet or is that still not yet okay all right I did my my paper to file is all okay file away the process begins file away best and let's hope for a fourth term okay yeah thank you very much

thanks so much Jackson County Commissioner and board chair Colleen Roberts it is 833 at KMED KBX but it's not even coming close in reflection there is not a thing that to mind. I didn't fully appreciate how much people wanted to know there was a difference. In Memorial. The lesson of Charlie's life is that you should never underestimate what one person can do. We have had a revival.

We're all in. Thank you very much. On News Talk 1063, KMED. News Talk 1063, KMED. This is the Bill Myers show. Hey, Chris, you've been trying to get in. What's on your mind? Yeah. Yes. I'm talking about Casey Atkinson and one of the VA employees. I wanted to mention I used to be a VA employee.

I worked for facilities. Okay, when you're talking about Casey, I don't want to do a lot of name mentioning. I know nothing about Casey. Okay, so what is your point? What are you trying to do? You're talking about the gumbags for like the dollar tree, the low rent kind of crime. that the dollar tree was.

Yeah. I mean, it's just look at the VA and look at what type of crime that is. I mean, that's an intake officer having sex with, allegedly having sex with veterans that are coming in. Okay, well, I don't know anything about that particular case right now. How are you conflating this, though, with somebody throwing muriatic acid on a couple of employees at the Dollar General's? story in Merlin? I'm conflating. I don't know exactly what that word means, Bill.

I know you're a little more of words. Okay, well, now, just trying to draw a comparison between someone you don't like. Obviously, someone you don't like in the VA. Okay, I don't know about this story, okay? Anything that I don't like him. I did not say that. I just said it's a local crime. Okay.

So is it being prosecuted? Well, you just don't, it's kind of like you just don't hear about this stuff very much. because I worked for, like I said, I worked for facilities there as a pipe fitter plumber, and I had a supervisor named Steve Gasper that would talk to me like I was his drinking buddy at the bar and talk about his failed Minuteman plumbing business. Okay, all right. See, I don't want to get off into the weeds with you on this one, Chris, but the point is, is a crime, has a crime been committed, have you reported it if there is a crime,

if it is not a crime and it's a violation of rules, what are you calling for? I'm just saying it's just more scumbags in the area, Bill. Okay, all right. Whatever. I'm just trying, what I'm trying to see, though, is that, you know, you make these claims. What? It's just white collar crime. You got white-collar crime.

It's a VA, and they're in the public trust, Bill. All right. Well, who have you talked to about that in authority? Have you, if someone is a crime, if there's a crime, if there's a, actual crime, has there been a crime and a charge made? Yes, they already got arrested. Okay, well, then what do you be calling about? I mean, you should be well aware of it.

You've taken all the media. No, there's lots of crime that goes on in various areas. So I'm going to see, I'm trying to understand what point are you trying to make, other than the fact that you didn't, that there was someone in the VA system, there's probably people in the VA system who have had DUIs too, all right? See what I'm getting at? I'm just saying what makes this particular one so unique in your mind? Which is in the local area, in our sphere, where we live in our county, just Josephine Jackson County, and just another crime.

Okay, all right. I just don't see how it's connected in any way with the problem over at the Dollar General. But I appreciate the call. Got to go. Hi, good morning. Who's this? This is Francine. Francine.

go ahead yeah um your discussion where you were mentioning a prescribed burns and how so far we you know things things have gone pretty well with them here in oregon the thing about them you you know you never know if things you're going to go well just because they went well doesn't mean oh well i guess they're really safe after all i mean it's really you know i mean i think wasn't new mexico a couple of years ago two or three years ago that just lost control and burnt like crazy throughout the state yes it was uh now when i was talking about the prescribes I was talking about the Jackson County push, which is to not have any in-firing season. And that has been relatively successful, okay?

I would dare say because we don't, because there is a history of them kind of getting away from you, you know? Right. And that made me, that reminded me of the Hammonds back in, what was it, the 95 or 6 or something. Yeah, when they were busted for setting the backburns, yeah. Yeah, well, they did one prescribed burn because they had grazing rights on federal land, and then the other one was there was a lightning fire, I believe, coming, you know, heading towards their ranch, and they did a backburn to keep it from spreading. And, I mean, they were charged with, what was it, anti-terrorism and faced it.

Oh, yeah, yeah, and essentially ended up leading to our Malheur situation. Right, right, yeah. I mean, so it's just, I don't know, I just wanted to kind of remind us about that stuff. stuff. Thank you for keeping us surprised. Appreciate the call, as always, Francine. One more call before news. Hello, who's this? Hey, Bill. It's Lynn. Hi, Lynn. Hey, I just wanted to follow up on Colleen's interview. I only heard the last 15 minutes, but about the controlled burns, nobody knows that Colleen Robert is the reason behind why we've had amazing summers for the last few years. I was just at a gathering with friends last week, and we were talking about the amazing

summer we had, and I said, well, you guys know why that is, don't you? They didn't know. They thought we were just lucky. So I just want to encourage everybody in this audience, who knows about coordination, who knows the difference it made, tell everybody you know. I'm thrilled she's decided to run again, by the way, and I hope she makes us a centerpiece, because I talk about this all the time and there's a lot of opportunity to talk about it because people say oh hasn't this been a wonderful summer but you're right people will tend to think that they were that they were lucky about it it has to do with smart policy and believe me it took a lot of work to get that policy put in it was not something where everybody just laid down for it and she was the leader of

that effort i first learned about coordination from i've forgotten her name kathy can't think of her last name, but she was very involved in preparation for extreme events. And she's the one, I think she used to come on your show or call in and talk about this coordination. And it's been probably 20 years to make it go from explaining what coordination is to making it actually happen. So like you said, it's been a really long process and it's been so incredibly successful. And we all owe Colleen a debt of thanks. And if you want her to be reelected, Even lefties hate smoke. So it's so important that people know that's why we don't have smoke from Jackson County.

Yeah, most of the smoke that we do have coming in are from other counties that are not coordinating to that extent. Yeah, they won't. And then you end up getting the situation, and this is what will happen, the 1995 Wildfire Management Plan, is more or less that every square inch of federal public land, public land, though, has a burn plan on it. And, of course, they would love to have prescribed burns on everything because they're not harvesting anything. And the grass keeps growing and the trees keep growing and the brush keeps growing and everything else. So what the fire bosses would end up doing is that, okay, we got a fire here. It's summertime.

And gosh, we really do need this kind of area burned out. They draw the box around it. And that's where the term let it burn came from. That's what they did for years. It was horrible. I mean, people died from all that smoke. And it was just, anyway, it's such an incredible improvement in the quality of life and in many ways saved our county. I mean, we were going to lose all of our tourism business.

Supposedly we're supposed to build our, you know, economy on tourism. I mean, it was terrible. And I don't have to, everybody knows that. Anyway, I just want to make that point. Please tell all your friends, especially when you're talking about this summer with no smoke. Tell them why. All right. Yeah, there's a reason for it.

It wasn't an accident. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you, Lynn. it's 843 open for business we're going to be shifting gears here and uh i want i want to ask randall i want to ask randall in advance there if uh hey should we end up uh you know signing up with pacific power for authority over our heat pumps and we want to dig into that a little bit more and find out what else is going on we're here with mal sanford who's a long-time customer of cloud

welcome to the bill mire show on 1063 kmED glad you are here it's time for open for business. We talk with locally owned and operated businesses and say, hey, they're doing great work and great time to talk to Randall. Randall over at Advancedair, my advancedair.com. Randall, welcome back. Good morning, Bill. Thank you for having me. Yes, indeed. And I imagine what the explosions of compressors and things have probably calmed down during this transition to heating, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's good to get past the summer heat, start looking toward the the heating side of our maintenance, so our technicians are all around the valley, serving

local businesses and homeowners getting their equipment ready for heat. So that's great. All right. Very good. Well, I tested mine, flipped it over to heat the other day. It's working fine. There was one year that I had to, you know, that it wasn't, it wouldn't really flip back and forth. Those reverser valves or whatever it is. You work on stuff like that all the time, I would imagine. Yep. Yep, the expansion valves. Yep. And so the important thing is don't wait until, you know, we get that bitter cold, that, you know, 30-degree weather, that 25-degree weather to turn on your heat. Try it now. Get it running. Get it operating. There might be some blow-off if you have a gas furnace, some residue from last year, and it might stink a little bit when you first use it. It doesn't mean that it's broken, but get it running through its paces. And then you prevent the mad rush when everybody turns it on when it's 25 degrees and calling for heat. It doesn't have it.

And then it's a two-week wait to get anybody to show up, right? That's just reality. What happens. By the way, if you wanted to get in touch with Randall and the crew over at MyAdvancedair.com, it is 772-686247. and you are a factory authorized briot dealer. You're using good parts. And I think good parts, a really good example of talking about there. It is amazing that we've talked before about compressor capacitors or the fan running capacitors

and the compressor start capacitors, this device inside most of the heat pumps out there. And I have to tell you the quality of the capacitors out there, Most of them foreign, like from Mexico, just horrid, absolutely abysmal quality, but yet they'll be on Amazon for $9 or $10, and you're thinking, oh, I can save a lot of money. Don't do that. You can swear to that, I'm sure, from experience. Oh, we experience it all of the time. There's capacers that are very reasonable priced out there.

A lot of them are imported, and you can buy them, and you can have a couple of them. on hand, if you know the correct size and everything, but they last about a year or two, generally. Yep. The American-made brands, we have almost a 0% fail rate on those. They cost more, but they'll get you through summer. And the thing with capacitors in particular is, you know, they fail when you need them the most. Yep.

Typically during extreme heat. Yep. And they get bulgy, and the oil inside starts leaking out of them, and it's just miserable. And, you know, I know bad capacitors when I see them, and I just wanted to say, you, and you, when you end up replacing those kind of devices and your service calls, do you give them a choice, okay, here's the cheap one from Mexico, here's the American-made one? What do you do? Yeah, exactly. We give them the option if they want to save some money. But the thing to consider, though, is the cost of comfort, the cost of being offline, particularly in the summer, you know, during, for a capacitor call, I mean, you might be without AC for a couple of days at least, and so did saving a few bucks, was it worth it? You know what I mean? You know, get the OEM part, get the American made part, especially capacitors. And you'll be happy. You'll be happier.

I can guarantee that from personal experience, too. Hey, Randall, any good deals going on here in between, or is there just so much demand for new systems that, hey, just if you can get a call in, it's great. What are you saying? Yeah, no, there are shoulder season rebates that are offered by the manufacturers of Bryant has what they call the Bryant Flex program, and you can save up to a couple thousand dollars on qualifying equipment, or you can get some zero percent financing options. So the factory has some good incentives going on. They are going away with some of the big rebates, the geothermal, 30% tax credit, federal tax credit. That's falling off at the end of this year. So if you're a geothermal perspective geothermal customer and you're looking to change out your equipment,

that's a significant incentive that's falling off here in the coming months. So it behoove you to give us a call if you're thinking about replacing your system. because that could be, you know, several thousand dollars of tax credit there. The IRA rebates, the American Reduction Act, some of that stuff is still pretty cumbersome. It's coming online. You've got to get the factories involved in it. And, you know, it's not always real clear when the money is available and if it's been exhausted. But there is some savings out there on that.

Energy Trust of Oregon has a number of great incentives, great rebates. A lot of them are income-based, and a lot of them are equipment-based. In other words, they want to get people into the heat pumps, right? Mostly. Right, yeah, it's the electrification stuff. A lot of ductless stuff, a lot of, you know, mini-splits. But a lot of our customers, our clients, qualify for it. And it's not uncommon at all to see savings of $1,500. bucks, the $2,000 on those types of systems as well.

So there's also some Oregon Energy Fest of Oregon rebates for property owners that have rental, again, trying to get people over to, you know, ductless heat pumps. So if you have a rental and you have, you know, the baseboard electric heating, the most insanely expensive way to heat a apartment or home, you can get this and deals on that, right? Yeah, exactly. All right, very good. Hey, Randall, I'll just tell people to get in touch with you, 772-686, myadvancedair.com, because this is a great time to get some servicing done, and also if you're needing to replace good time in between the big peak of the seasons. Now, before we take off, though, I wanted to get you, and in fact, I'm going to post your take that you put on this in LinkedIn, on LinkedIn that you did a few weeks ago. And it has to do with the Cool Keeper Program, Pacific Power, is trying to get everybody to sign up to give them control,

over your heat pump, the compressor, and turn it off in order to balance out the grid. What is your general take on that, please? Yeah, yeah, exactly. So, and again, this plays right into the whole electrification of all things. You know, heat pumps, HVC-related, you know, they want as much electrical equipment as possible, kind of going away from natural gas at the moment. And, you know, I'm always a strong advocate for a diversity of solutions, right? you know, because one solution isn't best for everybody.

But what's been clear is that as we've gone to electrification, you know, the grid cannot handle all of the new product that's being put on online. And so you've got utilities that are trying to come up with some creative solutions to help that. So Pacific Power has developed this Cool Keeper program. They're soliciting clients to allow them to put a load limiting device on the outdoor unit. And what that does is it can delay or basically shut off the refrigerant cycle, the compression cycle, of your air conditioning unit if they feel like you're using too much power during peak season. And, of course, that would be the time, you know, when it's the most hot and it's running, you know, using the most draw. Yeah, when you need it the most, in other words, right?

Yeah, when it's the hottest outside and you want to cool down your interior, then what would happen if you have a load limiting device is the power company says, you're using too much power right now, we're hitting the pause button on your system. and so then it would prevent you from achieving your desired set point, your desired temperature inside. And that might not seem like a big deal. It might seem like a degree or two. This cycle pauses for, I think it was like seven to 30 minutes. The problem is, is if this is happening like in the afternoon, you're never going to achieve your desired indoor temperature. And as the temperatures, as the heat load increases, the temperature is just going to continue to creep up. In other words, you'll never catch up is what happens.

You'll never catch up. You'll get behind and your system will keep pausing out. And then potentially, you know, if you're trying to keep your indoor temperature at 70 degrees and it's 105 outside, which isn't uncommon at all here, I mean, you could, they could let you get down to like 76 degrees inside. but then say, well, you're using too much power, we're hitting the pause button, and then, you know, you kind of drift up from there, and you could easily be, you know, 80 degrees. So your bottom line, then, is to be very careful. You wouldn't recommend it, in other words. No, I mean, you're giving up your right to comfort.

So just understand that when you sign that agreement, you're telling the utility company, okay, you're in charge of my thermostat now. I don't have control of my indoor temperature. The other thing that you've got to consider, too, is a lot of the new technology out there is multi-speed, you know, modulating equipment. It's designed to be kind of on all the time, isn't it? Like all the time. And it will adjust it, and it's not always going full bore, and that really wouldn't help in having Pacific power and control of this. All right?

Yeah, no, exactly. And it could actually throw error code on that type of equipment to where it kind of freaks out. the algorithm that's being established within the system and saying, hey, why are you pausing my refrigerant cycle, my compression cycle, and then it throws, you know, an alert and then takes the whole system offline. Yeah, so just, he's recommending just say no to this. I'm going to place your entire post on our website today, on KMED.com, on my show blog today, and they can read all about this.

I think you did a great job on that. 772-6-866, 772-6-866, MyAdvancedair.com. A little bit longer on this, but I wanted to make sure people knew about that. Randall, great hearing from you on Open for Business. Thank you, Bill.