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The Bill Myers Show podcast is sponsored by Klausur drilling. They've been leading the way in southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausor drilling.com. 7 o'clock. We'll check Fox News here in just a moment, but I want to make sure that Brother Louis, now that I ended up having my talk with court boys, Brother Louis, wanted to expound a little bit on your trip back east and the divisiveness between various families.

And, boy, what better way to keep us all fighting at each other's throats but ignoring what big government's doing, hey, brother? What's going on? Absolutely. So where were you going? You wanted to expound a little bit on what you had talked about about 20 minutes ago. Give you another bite. Oh, you know, I have many directions I could go, and that's why I'm a little hesitant,

but mainly I wanted to say that we are very polarized, and I think that that is the conspiracy, that ultimate conspiracy of all, is to keep us so polarized that we can't talk to each other. And that's what I found because my family is so equally divided. I have a huge family, cousins and, you know, 12 siblings altogether in my immediate family. And most of them live back there. And what I mentioned was that I found that no matter who I talk to, I'm trying to be in the middle.

I'm trying to be the peacemaker and the negotiator and get some of these people back together that can't talk to each other in my own family and also elsewhere. and I'm finding I'm always on the other side. You know, I'm in the middle, but I'm not, that's not good enough for anybody. They want me to be on their side or, you know, they don't want me, you know. And I'm not either, trying to be not either side. And it makes me, it makes me persona non grata everywhere. You know, it's interesting you bring that up. Well, even yours truly as a talk show host, it's, I have an interesting perspective or not,

Not that my perspective is interesting, but just an observation that even when it comes to the political camps and where things are going, you have to be all in. Okay, let's say as an example, if you don't agree with absolutely every single thing President Trump does, then you're a rhino or you're a Democrat. Okay, that's one example, right? You can see that. Perfect, perfect. That's exactly what I ran into. Yeah, and I see the same thing happening over on the left when it comes to left policies. Okay, all right, I'm supposed to be sympathetic to, I'm supposed to be, you know, happy about taxing people so that illegal aliens should be here and get free health care, you know, for everybody else, even though they're not supposed to be here.

And yet I'm supposed to be Democrat and like that, and not even all that Democrats are in on these kind of things. It's like it's all or nothing, it seems. It's very interesting right now where we find ourselves. And, you know, I can't be a lick-spiddle for either side, and it sounds like you can't do that either. Perfect. Yeah. Yeah.

That's really true. And it's kind of a hopeless situation because you have to stop talking. Everybody, you have to agree to disagree or just agree not to talk. And I do a lot of open mic performing. singing and uh i would have been once in a while do a very political song they don't like those you've got a song about president trump you know that i wrote in 19 2017 and that that gets that makes both sides angry isn't that fascinating isn't that fascinating all right you know i think about um you know we're going to have a and this is kind of a little

a promotion too a little bit later we're going to have a diner 62 quiz and it has to do with the late Johnny Carson. It's something to do about his show. And you think about how Johnny knew that his job was to skew. And in fact, it's known that he was a liberal. It's known that he was a liberal. But you know, when you would watch that show, you couldn't tell where he was coming from, could you?

I couldn't, when I think back to watching those shows. And you think about how different it was. in which we were more or better able to laugh even at our own side, the foibles at our own side, not just laughing at the foibles on the other side. We've kind of lost that right now. I guess, you know, why is it that we are so darn sensitive about it, you think? Any thoughts on that, Louie? Oh, I really do.

I think that everything's being done. Like, almost every – you covered several issues in your first hour. you know, you were going from one thing to the other things in the news, and I can almost connect the dots from every issue we have to being deliberately divided and polarized. It seems like they don't make any sense for any other reason. You know, the immigration, for one, you know, that we're polarized about immigration. A lot of people think that we really need those immigrants. They do all our dirty work.

They do the hard work. First of all, it was the farm work. and now it's a large proportion of the construction workers. I'm in the construction trade myself where I was when I was young enough to be working. And, you know, it suddenly became very competitive with aliens, with what's not aliens. Well, yeah, well, essentially you were having to compete against someone who was not paying all the taxes that you were, too, right? I kind of missed part. Oh, I say, well, not only were you competing with that, you know, that weight scale or someone willing to take a lot less for that,

but you're also competing with a group that wasn't necessarily paying all the taxes and fees that you were saddled with as an American citizen. Isn't that interesting? Do you think about it? Well, that's true. But on the other hand, too, they were absolutely highly skilled and very, very hardworking, like, I was. I was always like that, and I was surprised to see that they weren't quite as lazy as typical Americans either. So they're very useful and very useful to the economy, I thought. Yeah. I guess the point being, do you? No, okay, let me, let me, okay, let me roll this by your

brother, Louie, and then I'll have to move along here, but, um, okay, do you think that we are at, are we, are we at that point now, we will actively, be talking about an amicable divorce in some ways, a breaking up that, because you're making very clear that these United States are not all that united these days. We have very, generally speaking, different governing principles and worldviews. And the worldviews are honestly kind of incompatible, and I think this is where, you know, we find ourselves right now that there are realistic, big, deep differences of opinion on world views that are incompatible, aren't they?

And so the answer is respect to give up, give up on the polarization. Watch out for polarization. Don't watch for somebody being on the other side. Watch out for yourself and them being polarized. If you can just find common ground, because that's what polarizes us as being unable to find. Okay, well, what is the common ground then between people, let's say, on immigration, who feel that, you know, that immigration should only be benefiting, you know, the greater American citizens, you know, what we have to, what we need, rather than, let's say, what the tech pros

wish, you know, to have, you know, which is to have, you know, everybody from Bangalore working at half the wage rate, okay? You know, and then you have other people who are just thinking, well, there should be no borders at all. Well, no borders doesn't work real great when you have a welfare state and then yet that's another conversation that we can have you know how do you you know how do you find that common ground because they are everything is diametrically opposed here i think part of it is inherent in the worldview am i wrong well what i think about you bill is you're amazing in terms of being able to to see to see different sides and to and to not polarize people i have you see somehow you managed to do that i i that's that's the secret right there is

to not polarize, not polarize us, not, when you're talking to somebody, try to find what what you like and respect about them rather than, rather than look for immediately, because that's what I meant when I was always on the other side. People were kind of watching out for, oh, if this guy, well, this guy might be, might be in favor of Trump. Oh, my God, I don't. Gotcha. Gotcha. Right. We got a gotcha. Look at what he said. Gotcha. All right. And so. See, so, and that's what, that's what keeps us from communicating and keeps us from agreeing. It keeps us in finding our common ground. And so I don't know what the common ground is, really.

I think that both sides have, obviously, there are way too much immigration that was not really vetted, you know, not really watched up. It didn't really deserve to be given amnesty or whatever you want to call it. There was a lot of that, way too much of that. And I think it was deliberately done to polarize us rather than to help. Oh, it is definitely, it does, it is a plan. It is something, it is to destroy the bonds of the nation. I think that was a big part of it. All right.

Brother, Louis, great talk. I always appreciate your call. Thanks for expounding a little bit more on that. I love your show. All right. Thank you very much, Louie. Appreciate that. All right, quick check of the news.

Also, happy to take more of your calls. Leeland Vitterd's going to join me. Leland is an interesting cat. He's an anchor on News Nation, the News Nation channel. I know that he has talked with Lars Larson quite often every now and then. and what I never knew about Leland, he put a book out there called him, where is I think I have a little cheat sheet on it. Yeah, born lucky, born lucky.

And the thing about Leland is he was considered a weird, weird kid. He didn't communicate. He didn't talk really for years and years and years. And now, well, they knew he figured out that he was autistic, but in 1979, late 70s is when he was born. they didn't really talk about autism much. It really wasn't much of a thing. And then his father went to work and was slavishly devoted to him

and getting him trained so that he could really interact with the world. And now look at it. He's a television anchor. He's been a big reporter and Fox at other channels and, you know, really interesting. And he's talking about his journey with autism. And he's going to join me here in about 20 for a few minutes, just a few minutes. but I just thought it was such an interesting story that it was worth digging in with Leland. So that will be coming up too.

And always happy to take your calls on Conspiracy Theory Thursday. It happened on Yom Kippur. Here's Bill Meyer. I'm delighted to have you here. 7705-633 join in. Conspiracy Theory Thursday. It doesn't have to be a conspiracy theory, but we can certainly talk about various stories. A couple of stories that caught my eye this morning that I hadn't mentioned yet here.

and all the in the tumult here. K-O-B-I-5 reporting that the Medford City Council is going to be talking about car wash restrictions. Yes, indeed. There are too many car washes. Do you think there are too many car washes here in the Medford area? I noticed that there has been a plethora of them coming in. And it's interesting, given that the state of Oregon is at war with the personal car.

then you have a whole bunch of car washes open up there but anyway this is this was going on like I said Kobe reported on this one Medford City Council discussing restrictions on the city's growing car wash locations the council will primarily look into whether to ban proposed new car washes within the downtown boundary as part of its downtown plan implementation hmm now of course this is where the conspiracy theory comes in Remember, the downtown plan is part of the climate-friendly, equitable community. And so I could see when you have the Bolsheviks in Oregon government and sometimes our local government too,

you know, they're all in the process of saying, hey, listen, the personal car is only going to be for the upper apparatchiks, the intelligentsia, you know, the elite, the party elite. of Bolshevism in Oregon you will see them in the $100,000 cyber trucks or whatever it is they will have personal they will have personal

transportation you will have RVTD sorry nothing against RBTD but you know they've had to do some service cuts and all that kind of stuff but be that as it may so city councilor Kevin

Stein. I wonder what state job he's angling for. But anyway, city councilor Kevin Stein in the K-O-B-I-5 article says car washes are difficult to repurpose because if the business fails, it leads to demolition. Okay. Now, Kevin is right about that. I suppose it is sort of a single purpose sort of thing, but you could say that for a lot of businesses, couldn't you? I guess. Well, I know that if an office fails, then you can repurpose it as a restaurant sometimes. You know, it depends, but not only. But what part of the landfill economy does Kevin Stein not like? Because, you know, hey, the more we end up putting into the landfill, the wealthier we're all getting, you know.

Creative destruction and then we put something else up there. I'm being half, you know, facetious, you know, all these things. But I don't know. Is it up to the City Council in your view? Do you think we have too many car washes? Is this something that the Medford City Council needs to look at? I can't help but notice, though, that at the same time, the City Council is going to go along with state plans to be at war with the car.

You have a lot of car washes coming up. And chances are the City Council is going to have to restrict or eliminate car washes because it'll be too much of a reminder of the Bolshevism, which has been brought in from Salem, if you have people walking the streets of Medford and taking their little push carts, you know, going from place to place to purchase toilet paper from their walkable neighborhood market or something like that

at an extreme cost, you know, that sort of thing. And then you see a lot of people driving to a car wash by them and they came, wait a minute. Why am I walking around with a? a push cart. Could it be something like that? I'm just rolling the theory out there. Maybe this is why there has to...

We have to have a war against the car wash. I'm having a little bit of fun, but you think there might be something to that theory? Call me up. 770-633-7-M-E-D. So there we go. Car-wash restrictions because we don't want to remind all the climate-friendly equity refugee people living in downtown Mefford at some point that, oh gosh, you mean that I could... Get around in an individual vehicle on my terms rather than waiting for your RVTD to show up someday?

Maybe. This is why it's conspiracy theory Thursday, okay? Another interesting story, and that is in Grants Pass Daily Courier. Well, by the way, they did approve a library lease. Oh, thank goodness. Thank goodness the progressives of Josephine County. Oh, my gosh, you're going to have your, you're going to have your progressive mosque for a few more years. You'll be fine.

you'll be fine. It's not always a progressive mosque, but some of the people that are into it are. But on the top of another story there, grants pass city manager, pardon me, let me cough the coffee up. Grantspass city manager Aaron Kubick, in a story in the daily courier, has proposed speeding up a process by which he and other non-union city workers could get maximum pay. And because of that, well, there's a resignation of a city. pay raise task course member apparently they didn't like the sound of this so instead of having seven instead of having 10 steps there are like 10 steps right now if you're one of these non-union employees in grants pass so every year you go up a step you know every year of service you go up a step

in pay so it takes you 10 years to get to your maximum pay well the grants pass city manager is saying, hey, I'd like it to be seven years. So that way, Grants Pass City can get to bankruptcy that much sooner. Okay, he didn't say that, but I added that part in there. Is that what's going on?

Yeah, we want to be able to get to... Sure, everybody would like to get to the maximum pay a lot quicker than not. But I don't know. I don't know. Grants Pass is having enough difficulty dealing with the homelessness and all the rest of it. I hope that they choose to hold back on this.

I don't think there's anything wrong with a 10-step. Of course, I'm just trying to figure out how do we get to the point where you just get an automatic raise each year? People in the private sector do not. I would propose that Grants Pass city employees get raises based on and based only on the average raise increase of the private sector employees in Grants Pass. And I would say the same thing for the city of Medford and the counties of Jackson and Josephine County. So if private sector payrolls are going up and increasing and people are getting raises out of that from the productive economy, then maybe we have raises going to the public sector. What do you say? 770KMED.

Let me grab a call here. A lot in the air. Good morning. Hi. Who's this? Welcome. This is John. John.

What's going on? I missed your first half hour. Maybe it's been ruminating for a while in my mind. Okay. You know, we're very divided, like you've been speaking. And we look back and we see that when the Bolshevik revolution took place, it was less than 2% of the population that did that. But within a couple of years, because everything was divided, they managed to infiltrate

or influence the other groups that they significantly increased. their percentage, and then they took over the Duma or whatever their... In other words, they led a revolutionary fire. They lit the revolutionary fire that spread. Sure. Well, it wasn't so much that that afterwards they coerced or enjoined the other groups to be with them, basically by getting 2% of the other groups. groups inside the other groups to join them.

Really, what you're saying, then, is that it's not taking a majority of people. It takes some really intense activists, even if it's a small, two, three percentage part of the group, huh? Right. Just like now our governor has sort of enjoined with Antifa. Yeah, we're not going to touch that, but it looks like President Trump's going to call her bluff right now. That is a good idea.

Although Antifa being anti-fascist, there was a way of dealing with it, I think it was called the SS. So we end up with both sides of the story. Yeah, I hope we don't go there, okay? Anyway. I appreciate the call, and thank you for making it. 728, this is KMED, Conspiracy Theory Thursday on the Bill Meyer show. Leland Vitterd should be joining me here in this. the next few minutes. Then we'll have more of your calls. For 95 years, Grange Co-Up on KMED.

You're here in the Bill Myers Show on 1063, KMED. I'm so proud to have Leland Vitterd on. He is the host of On Balance with Leland Vitterd, News Nation's chief Washington anchor, veteran journalist, and guys joined News Nation in May 2021. He was in Fox, a bunch of other places before here. Leland, great story. Welcome to the show. Good to have you on, sir. Hey, Bill, such a pleasure. Thank you. Indeed. Now, I hear you talking with Lars Larson all the time, or one of his affiliates here in Southern Oregon. So I've always found it interesting. I never really knew much about you personally. But you came out with a book here, your memoir, but it is just going great guns, and it's called Born Lucky, a dedicated father, a grateful son, and my journey with autism.

And there's been a lot of conversation in the culture about autism right now. now, but you do not consider yourself a victim, do you? No, that was something that was always pretty clear, and readers of Born Lucky will see in the book that my dad never let me declare myself a victim or act like I was a victim despite the bullying and despite the isolation and despite the learning disabilities and everything else. There was never extra time on tests. He never told anybody that I had a diagnosis, never asked for an accommodation, and he wanted to adapt me to the world rather than the world to me.

So the story of Born Lucky, and I think why it's sold out twice now on Amazon, we've had to print about another 35,000 copies more after that on the way, is because this is hope for every parent of a kid who is struggling, that with real dedication and real love, every kid can be more. Leland, if, I don't know if there's a way to gauge there. Where were you on that spectrum at that time? Was there any way to really diagnose it in 1979 when you were born? I just graduated high school when you were born.

And we didn't talk much about autism in those days. No, not at all. It was about 1 in 1,500 kids. Back when I was diagnosed with what we now know to be autism, unless you had profound autism, right? what we would now sort of call observable just to the naked eye at any moment autism, you weren't diagnosed with autism. I had a number of issues, though, that are now what we do know to be autism.

I had severe learning disabilities. So 1985-86, my parents were told they need to go get me evaluated. They take me one of those little psychology testing centers, medical office buildings, stale coffee, old magazines, lithium floors, uncomfortable furniture. My parents send me back into the room. I get tested. The woman comes back and says, there's a lot going on here, right? Learning disabilities is a 20-point spread between the two halves of your IQ test. I had a 70-point spread between the two halves of my IQ test, so mentally retarded some areas and genius in the others.

Real behavioral issues, especially around kids my own age. And I had an inability to understand social and emotional cues in any way. You know, if they could have measured my, EQ, it would have been somewhere near freezing. Wow. So that's what my parents were dealing with, and my father asked, you know, what can we do? And the woman says not much. And he says, is there anything we can do? And the woman who attested me said, generally not.

So this is to give parents hope that my parents didn't at that moment. Yeah, and the story, and by the way, like you said, this book is now going into additional printings because so many people are just fascinated with your story. Leland Vittered, once again, of News Nation, the book is Born Lucky because your father essentially, you know, ended up being your tutor to learn the world. Isn't that essentially how it worked for you? Yeah, absolutely. And in Born Lucky, there's the stories of how he did it, right? And he said, you're not going to have any friends, so I'm going to become your friend. And he said, you're not going to have success at school with friends or with athletics. So I'm going to find ways that

you can have success, find ways that your self-esteem can be earned, not given. That was one of his mantras, right? And he said there's two things you can be really good at. You can have great character, which is something he got from his father. And born lucky, we have the letter from my grandfather about why character is so important. And you can be really good at hard work. So starting when I was five years old, I was doing 200 push-ups a day, is a way to teach, is a way for my dad to teach me that you can achieve things. Well, I think it was also to help you fight the bullies, wasn't it, or keep the bullies away? Well, yeah, that was, it didn't necessarily work.

Oh, okay. And there's sort of this interesting moment in Boy, Lucky, the first time I tried to confront a bully and what happened to that, sort of it ended up making me more vulnerable. But the idea behind the book is to give parents hope that they can make such a difference as my dad did. I'm through the first couple of chapters, and I can't wait to finish the rest of them, Leeland. And I think you've done a great service by doing this book because I think you will give other parents a lot of hope. Out of curiosity, what is your impression? Do you have a takeaway from a few days ago when the Trump administration, RFK Jr., and such, had the

the Tylenol Autism Risk Summit, you know, that day, that press conference. What is your overall take from that, please? Yeah, I am not a scientist, and I am not a doctor, Bill. So I have the chemistry grades to prove that, and therefore will not be giving any recommendations on Tylenaud dosing. But what I can say is the rise in autism cases from 1 in 1,000, from when I was diagnosed, one in 31 now, three times higher for boys, higher even for poorer minority communities, should be the scientific question of our time.

Agreed. And I am a television journalist. My job is to ask questions. So the question would be to all of those who would rather score political points against Trump and RFK, because they are imperfect messengers, then deal with this real pressing question that is affecting so many kids and so many families as it did me and mine, do People really hate Trump more than they love our kids, because that is the issue. Yeah, I have to tell you, sometimes the answer is yes, it feels that way.

But, yeah, you're right. It's imperfect messaging for sure. Now, of course, I'm just engaging in conjecture, too, but it's a reasonably formed hypothesis. Yeah, I could see us looking at environmental toxins. I could see us looking at food supply and the way we work. I mean, it's, there's a lot going on here, and I certainly hope that we find a way to get down to it, because, like I said, when you were born, we almost never heard about autism in those days, and now it's just so common when you're talking one out of 30, I think it's more than just better diagnosis, don't you? Oh, 100% it is, but Bill, I think you hit the nail on the head. We should look at everything because when I have Jay Batacharya, the head of NIH, and I think one of the premier epidemiologists in the world on my show, and I said to him, okay, doc, what's causing the rise in autism? And he says, I don't know. I don't know. I don't think it's vaccines, but I don't know. Well, when you don't know something, you do science. And as he explained it for so long, you couldn't do good science, science being the pursuit of truth on this question because there were always some kind of,

of group that had a sacred cow, and therefore you couldn't ask the tough questions and now we are, and thank God for that. And that is good news. And, well, the medical community, as an example, would say, yeah, there's a problem with autism, but, well, the one thing we do know is it's not vaccines. Well, no, we don't know that. It could be, but at least we're asking these questions along with various other aspects of our environment.

Great job on the book. It's a fascinating read, and I think you've done a great service, and thanks for having join the show for a few minutes. Be well, okay? Thanks, Bill. And once again, it's Leland Vitterd. I highly recommend this book. Leelan Vitterd, rather, of News Nation. The book is Born Lucky, a dedicated father, a grateful son, and his father just worked his butt off. Did everything from, you know, getting him into the exercise to strengthen his body and strengthening his mind, too, really at that point. And he even trained him.

Now, I only had eight minutes with Leland so I couldn't get into this, but I can share a little bit from the book. He even had to train Leland on how to understand and react to a joke because in his autistic mind, it just didn't connect. He didn't, you know, understand why, like a punchline would be so funny. But it was his father. His father really saved him. And it is such a heart-centered stirring story. I just can't say enough about this. But I think there's a reason why it is sold out twice

and hit number 16 on Amazon days before the release. It's going just crazy. You can find out more, by the way, at bornluckybook.com. Bornluckybook.com. The Rogue Gardner, not a big fan of spraying for weeds, maybe with one exception. If you're dealing with a bunch of difficult-to-control, weeds like Bermuda grass,

knocked those down with glyphosate, I should say, like roundup. And you could do that spraying, but don't neglect the fact that now you have at least three and possibly even four seasons of weed seeds in that ground wanting to come up. The Rogue Gardner,

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Fox's Greg Pellcott, police shot and killed the suspect. America's listening to Fox News. 7.42. I want to hit back to the phones because it is conspiracy theory Thursday. You always have to take your calls. Eric, you're on the road. I want to get to you right away before you disappear. How are you doing? I'm glad to hear it. I just want to point out that there is a safe version of Lewis' book on Amazon.

Hey, Kate, could you back away from your phone just a little bit there? I'm just having trouble hearing you. If you're on my Bluetooth, I might be yelling. Oh, there you go. You don't have to yell. You sound good now. Thank you. Okay.

There is a fake version of Leland's book on Amazon. I just want to make sure people don't pick that one up because it's considerably cheaper. But I think it was an AI version that some publisher just basically took his book and wrote their own. Oh, really? Okay. Yeah, and it's under the same name. Born Lucky. So it's fooling people. So just be aware of that. Hey, Eric, I really appreciate you let me know about that. you could just head to bornlucky book.com.

That's kind of a direct link to the publisher. But I'll tell you. I already bought it on Amazon, but when I was looking for it, it was like, oh, what's this other book? Because it doesn't come up. The other book comes up first. Oh, okay. What was your overall impression? I've only gone through a couple of chapters so far, but I'm just really impressed.

I haven't received a book yet, but like you, I've been listening to Leland on with Lars for quite a while. Yeah. And, yeah, he's very insightful. You know, and I always wondered if there was something going on with him, and I didn't get a chance. I only had eight minutes with him, which is not a whole lot of time. But the part that I always was amused by when I would listen to Leland talk with Larson, is

that Leland is extremely precise in his speech with Lars. Like, you know, he's very careful. Now, I don't think it's being very careful. He's just very precise, and I think that that gave me a clue. And so to find out now that he is severely autistic and that's something that he's worked around there, it makes sense now because no doubt his father was teaching him to keep his mind and his speech very precise and keeping it on track. At least that's how I interpret know what Leland does. Same. Same.

Yeah. So my son is a little bit on the spectrum, and yes, it's when I first started hearing him, I was like, oh, okay, he's very analytical and very, like you said, picks his words wisely. Yeah, he does, which of course is an interesting skill to have then when you're a nationwide television anchor and having to interview a lot of people. You know, you don't think he'll, you know, he doesn't shoot off, well, I guess he doesn't shoot from the cuff or shoot from the hip very often in that particular thing. Exact opposite of me.

Yeah. Hey, I appreciate you. Let me know about that. Hey, one more thing. Sure. Do you speak on a little bit of the, I'm seeing these banners for this expansion of this baseball field and downtown Medford. And it seems like they're spending a bunch of our money to go out and buy ads and build these and have these banners up everywhere. so that they can, you know, list up the economic boys and put this big baseball stadium downtown,

which should be paid for by the owner of the team. And expansion of downtown should be paid for by the commerce, by the people who want to have businesses. Yeah, Eric, come on. Eric, you are so old-fashioned. Everybody knows that businesses don't pay for their own businesses. Businesses get the good old boy network to pay for their business. You know that?

Well, how do I become part? of this good old boy network. I have a business. I would love to have a much of free money from the government. Well, obviously, you have the wrong kind of business. Yeah, I'm just a landscaper. Oh, just a way. Hey, let me tell you, take a look at my house and you'll find out what happens. Landscaping is very important. All right. Thanks for the call, right? Hey, and I want to give a shout out to our friend Brad out there. He's probably listening right now. Thanks, Eric. Good hearing from you. Okay. All righty. 770563. By the way, I haven't seen those banners yet. I'm going to have to drive through downtown and see the spinning, you know, the spin.

Now, Fred Herman, who used to own the Southern Oregon Timber Jacks, he has agreed to come on the program. I got a call the other day. We haven't been able to get an interview booked yet. And I'm hoping to do this in the next few days, okay? I just want to let you know. I haven't let that go. the thing is though is that I will give you a little bit of a foreshadowing he would be thrilled to have the Eugene Emeralds here he thinks the downtown ball stadium is a bad idea he had very strong words about that that I can't repeat but what do you think about having a downtown ball stadium over there by uh you know that section where they're talking about by Red Robin over by the park does that make sense to you or is it too much of a traffic night mayor. I know that the city fathers and the good old boy network would really like that. You know, they're whole about trying to attract people to their climate-friendly, equitable community, walkable neighborhoods. I'm being a little sarcastic. I can't help myself. But tell me what you think. 7-7-0 KMED.

Great to see you. Come on in. Hi. Insurance. Hi, I'm Deb with father and son jewelry, and I'm on KMED. Getting loaded up on Conspiracy Theory Thursday. We've got Carol. Dave, got Tom. Let me go to Carol first because you want to make sure that people know that there's a meeting at Rogue X tonight, and what's that about, Carol? It's an open house for the city of Medford residents to see what the planners have planned for this $400,000 federal dollar grant that is proposed. It includes speed limits, and how to keep pedestrians and bicyclists safe in our city.

So if you don't want any more road restrictions on your driving... Yeah, because this sounds like a road diet on steroids. Oh, yes. Yes, I'm sure Kevin Stein will be there. Oh, yeah. Well, see, no wonder Kevin Stein wants to get rid of car washes. He doesn't want people reminded that there are cars once they end up banning them from downtown Medford. Correct. Just be on your bicycle and be happy. Yeah. Okay.

So, anyway, the open house is at Rogue X from 530 to 730 tonight. Can you make comment and can you do written comment? Do you know? Yes, there's an online survey. Uh-oh. You know, online survey with a predetermined outcome, though, I'll bet, right? Correct. Well, probably. I haven't gone online. Yeah, I'll go take a look at that. I might have to do some social media posting on this one. there's so much of this going on. Thank you for the update.

So 530 at Rogue X tonight, though, is when that's going on, right? It's going to be clear. It's an open health, so you can come and go as you please. All right. Something tells me that this is like other ones we've seen, like, over at the high school, in which here are the predetermined outcomes. You know, do you want this traffic destruction mode, or do you want this traffic destruction mode? Choose which one.

You know, it's kind of like you're being asked by your mother, which prom dress do you want to wear, you know? But there's only those two, right? Right. Well, I want to look these people in the eyes. So I'm going to go tonight. But any city of Medford residents, you should plan up for city of Medford under events, and you will get pinged for things that are coming up. All right. Thank you very much, Carol. Appreciate the tip on it. 770563. Dave is here, too. Hello, Dave. You know Fred Herman, huh? Were you new Fred Herman? He was the counselor when I was in high school at Eagle Point. And then when I graduated, he'd opened up, what was it, stop and go in White City before he sold that. And then he was working for Channel 5, managing the baseball team, and then he ended up buying it from Channel 5.

And I was telling him, my brother ran Horizon Inn as a district manager. And so they went in there, and my brother, Greg, had gears with him, you know, for the out-of-town teams to stay at the Horizon Inn, which is now the restaurant used to be Copper Kitchen, and it's... Oh, yeah, that one, okay. Big Bear or whatever. All right. Hey, Greg, glad to hear. Thanks for the take on it. Good hearing from you, Dave.

He did a good job with the baseball team. I thought he did, too. and though the question is is downtown by Red Robin in that area in that area is that a great place to put a stadium in your view what do you know okay well those are the questions that have to be asked and answered hello Tom Tom always good to hear from you and talent what's going on in the mural world I think there's a question of all the divisiveness that's going on is really something that needs to be highlighted and focused on more and discussed You had Rod Schlapper the other day who really spoke to this, and then there's Marla Estes, who's doing talks at the metaphysical library about bridges between the two. And I think people need more awareness that it truly is this divisiveness as being cultivated by, I would say very rich people at the top, psychopathic billionaires.

This all, I wonder if people like, you know, Alan Jureen in this whole climate business, I wonder if they know about the club of Rome, and when they came out in 1972 with the limits of growth essay, that essay was copied and millions of copies were made, spread internationally. By the mid-1970s, you had the Foreign Affairs magazine of the Council and Foreign Relations talking about how nations were no longer needed, and so, you know, you'd start throwing the borders

wide open. I mean, this groundwork has been laid for decades of this divide and conquer. And I would also add that ultimately, really we're talking about maybe competing versions of technocracies, the scientific dictatorships. that's what this is all about when you see, okay, we're going to plan your community, we're going to diet your roads, we're going to eliminate your car washes, and you're going to be in a little stack and pack, climate-friendly, equitable community housing, but you'll be very happy. You'll be very happy as, you know, as you get your universal basic income after

artificial intelligence has destroyed your industry. Just saying, now I know I'm jumping through a lot of different hoops there, but it's all connected. You're absolutely right. Yes, you You summed it up quite well. Yeah, but we are not to be asked. We are not to be asked about this. It is just supposed to be, you're supposed to be swimming in this soup and not notice. You're not supposed to notice the water, right? The globalist water in this particular case.

Exactly, you know, and I think the people on the, you know, the Medford City Council, they're clueless. They really don't know what's going on. They thanked Alan Genese group for providing them information how they can set up the road diets and all these different things, and Vision 2030, 2040, whatever. But I think people need to kind of step back and look at this divisiveness, you know. Let me ask you about the divisiveness, though, because I do believe that even though a lot of the divisiveness may be engineered by some forces. Okay, I'm not going to say that doesn't happen. But ultimately, though, we do have some genuine disagreements, though, do we not, that are incompatible?

And a lot of the challenges that we get into is that when you have these kind of divisions, then the idea is that we have to have a huge government then to put our thumb down on you to keep a lid, to keep a lid on the situation where if we wanted to live in our different communities, we should be able to separate peacefully. And I would advocate separating peacefully rather than having the big thumb on everybody in order to keep a lid on the technocracy. What do you think? Well, that's certainly a good question.

I mean, do we really have to, you know, break up the United States and so forth and so on into different regions and separate countries and so forth? Yeah, what is uniting us right now other than the government will come and kill us if we chose not to, you know, be with them? Exactly. But I think the most critical factor is to be able to see where all of this is coming from, because I do think that we could live harmoniously together if we had a deeper understanding where all this divide and conquer business is coming from. I mean, you just look at it. And people don't understand that both the so-called right and the so-called left are being brainwashed. They're being cultivated. They're being cultivated to not see the larger issues going on here. I mean, there's so many people on the righter, you know, don't see behind the war machine. They don't see behind the money machine.

You just think that's the way it's supposed to be. We're supposed to have an income tax. It's wonderful. And on the... Oh, we're also supposed to automatically believe that Israel is our bestest buddy in the world affair, on the world stage. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, if war is a great solution for anything. Now, but see, so I see a lot of mind manipulation going on on both sides, and so unless you can see that manipulation going on, you can't really address these lower problems like you have with your sister or whatever.

I mean, it's coming from very high up this divide, and people need to just be able to step back and use critical thinking to look at themselves and look at other people. Well, you're challenged, though, you said critically thinking. That is the takeaway, critical thinking, but critical thinking in short supply. Well, it certainly is, and that's cultivated, too. That's why, you know, students, you know, that doing math now is racist. Well, I want to give you an example. There was a story. Let me see if I have it here.

I didn't have it in front of me because we've been spitballing on other stuff this morning, Tom. but where is it? Where is it? It had to do, oh, here it is. It's in this pile, in this pile of paper. I know I'm supposed to have everything. I think you have a pile there. Yeah, exactly.

But it had to do with reading. And I just wanted to get to this because it was such an important case. You know, I'll tell you what, I don't know why this is so difficult for me to find. Oh, it's because I'm looking at Wednesday. and Thursdays. I'll get back to you on this one, but it had to do with the incredible lack and destruction of reading and people's time attention, the ability to pay attention, and how there is concern that with people not reading anymore, and not all people, but a lot of people no longer reading. Okay, I just found the right.

That's true. You know, back, you know, Dewey was the father of modern education, and he kept saying over and over again the idea of education, it's not education, it's to socialize people so they can comfortably fit into the great socialist utopia. And here's the article. I just finally found it after our minute. Sorry about the pause here, folks, okay? But is that you, Tom? The beep?

Yeah, there's something going on here. I have no idea what I'll see if I can turn it. No, no, what that is is that that is the notice, that is the notice, that is the, the alarm going off from the technocracy saying that Tom has had a little too much to think today, all right? I think you're right. That may be true, but something's going on. It looks like the radio. I'm going to move a little way from it.

Okay. But anyway, what this is is that the economist describing this. This is in the Economist magazine. Reading is at risk. Screen culture and attention spans eroded by social media and the general devaluing of the value of the written word have left young people struggling to read. And the economist describes students trying to explain two paragraphs, two paragraphs from Charles Dickens' novels, right?

And the question, how hard could it be? Very hard, it turns out. The students were flummoxed by legal language and baffled by a metaphor. A Dickinsonian description of fog left them totally fog. They couldn't grasp the basic vocabulary. One student thought that when a man was said to have whiskers, it meant that he was in a room with an animal, I think. A cat? The problem was less that these students of literature were not literary and more that they were barely even literate.

And I thought that that was the takeaway from this. That's very important and a clear and present danger. I got a roll, but I'll talk soon, okay? Thank you, Tom. Okay. And by the way, you've had too much to think. turn off the alarm, okay? Thanks. Thank you. I just managed to succeed at that.

All right. I supported the CIA or the FBI and Homeland Security. Good for you. Always appreciate the call. Tom's a bona fide member of the early morning risers club. This is usually much later in the show for him to comment, but good for him. KMED, KMED, H.T.1, Eagle Point, Medford, KBXG grants pass. John Deason is going to join me, former federal prosecutor, former U.S. Marine, and he is John Deaton once again. again. And he wants to comment on that meeting in Quantico the other day where every senior

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