Bill Meyer Show Podcast - Sponsored by Clouser Drilling www.ClouserDrilling.com - 10-03-25_FRIDAY_7AM

Episode Date: October 3, 2025

10-03-25_FRIDAY_7AM

The Bill Meyer Show podcast is sponsored by Klausur drilling. They've been leading the way in southern Oregon well drilling for over 50 years. Find out more about them at Klausordrilling.com. Here's Bill Meyer. Outdoor report time. Yay, because that means they're getting ready to head into the weekend. Greg Robertsonrogweather.com joins me. And the outdoor report every Friday at about this time, sponsored by Oregon Truck and Auto Authority.

Airway Drive. Okay. And we got Mr. Outdoors here right now. First weekend of deer season, what is the official, what type of deer, where are there any particular places where it's happening, where it's not? Let us know about this, Greg. I know that. Well, it's going to be across the state of Oregon tomorrow for people who live from the Cascades West. It's an over-the-counter tag, which means you have until midnight tonight to purchase it.

So there are still the diehards, myself included, who will make the trek to a point-of-sale location, in my case Blackbird, to pick up their tags and all the other things they're going to need. But east of the Cascades, it is a, you have to apply the hunt for it tag. Really? And that has been the case now for decades. Man, I think. Why is that? I'm sorry to be ignorant about it, but I'm on a hunter, you know, so I'm ignorant about hunting sort of things, you know? Yeah, literally to get a tag to hunt mule deer east of the Cascades, you have to put in for it by May 15th, which is the deadline to draw one of the special hunt tags in the state. And, you know, everybody now works under the new system that ODF and W has that you put,

your first preference, then your second preference, then your third preference on where you'd like to hunt, and hope you draw one of the three, and then sometimes ODF and W says, well, you're not going to get any of the three you wanted. Here's where we would like to see you hunt. That's going to become a far more prevalent thing now. The way they've been using the hunter reporting system, which you're required to do, you're required to report your success, your number of days hunting where you hunted that kind of thing. They're now starting to use that to model where they're going to direct hunters to. And honestly, with the situation with the mule deer east of the Cascades,

you know, the thing has been now for decades for guys from west of the Cascades to go east because they want to get the big, you know, trophy mule deer buck, which is the largest deer we have in Oregon that's truly a, deer. I mean, elk or deer, too. But in Oregon, you've got the black tails and you've got the mule deer. And everybody wants to go hunt the mule deer. But the problem is the population on the mule deer keeps collapsing east of the Cascades. That actually got started during the horrific winter of 91, 92. Then we had another bad winter in 93 and 94. And mule deer herds never recovered from that, and then came literally a whole cascade of things that just further

reduced the mule deer herds. Would that include also the reintroduction of wolves? East of the cascades, especially in critical winter zones, people literally living now off the land, southeast of bend and some of the best winter area for mule deer that we had. so, and then, of course, Apex Predators of all type. Okay. Cougar, bear, wolves, you know, the picture for mule deer is getting bleaker every year, and I honestly don't know that it improves.

And so ODF and W is going to start managing hunters, since they can't seem to manage anything else, and really deciding where they want you to be hunting at. And, you know, I think the day's coming where anybody living west of the Cascades, you know, it's almost getting to the why bother point because you're very likely in the future as they really implement this and they started this year. But as they really implement this, your chances of being able to go hunt mule deer, especially if they know you're coming from, say, Medford, no, they're going to tell you where you can go. All right. Tell you, you can go, may not be where you want to go. You know, so it's just, that's kind of the future of things here.

All right. Would you, if you were a betting man, would you see that we're going to have a hunting moratorium on mule deer in order to help that herd recover? Any thoughts on that? In some areas, yeah. I fully expect that's going to wind up happening because, you know, honestly, I don't know. how they can continue to offer it in some of these areas of the state, including some areas that once had an excellent number of mule deer and great hunter's success, and for the multitude of reasons, that's all faded away. So, yeah, I definitely, I could see that day coming.

All right. So on the west side, where would you, if you were going to go and head out? What do you think looks good? That's the good news, I guess, for people who are deer hunters here in this part of the state, we've got good numbers of deer. We really do. They're pretty widely distributed. Now, when you get to eastern Jackson County where we have a more steady presence of wolves, what the deer have done is to seed the flats areas, like, for example, rancheria outside of Butte Falls. That used to be excellent deer hunting. Well, it's, now become an excellent place for wolves to hang out, which I'm now hearing ODF and W is saying we have 14 wolves, how they know that number. I'm not 100% sure, but they are now saying there are 14 wolves utilizing the Rancheria Flats area, which explains why you're not seeing any deer out there. The deer just aren't going to hang out where the wolves are at. So you've got to move to steeper, thicker,

brushier areas that the wolves do not like to hunt in, and that's where you're going to start finding deer. Of course, if you're west of I-5 in Jackson and Josephine counties, not really too much of a chance

of finding wolves, but on the other hand, it gets steeper, it gets brushier, it gets more difficult to flat sea deer, but the trade-off is, every single year in the rifle season. The biggest bucks that I see people get almost universally are coming from west of I-5 in Jackson and Josephine counties. And then, of course, that late

archery season, which will be kicking in in November, well, then that turns around and where it is open for the Rogue Unit and the Evans Creek Unit, which is east of I-5, well, then those late archery hunters are finding those big mature bucks that totally escape the rifle hunters. So they're out there. It just kind of depends on which way you want to go about it. And it sounds to me like you're saying you've got to work for it. Now, I'm kind of curious, when you talk about steeper, brushier areas, are you talking about, I'll throw out a few examples west of I-5, like Wagner Gap, you know, places like that.

Is that where you're talking higher in elevation? Well, yeah, and Wagner Gap, I mean, yeah, it's steep. but I'm talking, you get into those lower elevation areas, like going up to Wagner Gap, you're going to go through some areas that are pretty steep and full of brush, and your chances of seeing a deer are pretty tough, but if you see one, it's generally going to be a pretty good quality buck. You have much higher odds of seeing that going up through Wagner Gap and then going out the top all the way to Wrangell, and then you take that little Jeep trail down from Rangel

that eventually drops you into the little Applegate. Oh, boy, what shape is that in? Because the last time I took the Vanigan down there, that was quite an exciting ride. It was a few years ago. Yeah, it really is. It's still passable, but I'll tell you what. It is definitely, it's Mr. Toad's wild ride coming down that thing.

but yeah you can you can still get through that every year I keep coming to that thing and expecting to see it washed out or something well it was washed out for years there yeah it was washed out for years till I think a forest service ended up putting in a culvert they had to do some some kind of repair on it at that point and it didn't make the road great it just made it passable it's what they did yeah exactly so but the thing is in hunting season that little rattley, you know, literally grind your teeth right out of your head, goat trail, or a Jeep trail. Yeah.

That thing takes you through some awesome spots to get out and start working for deer. And my whole tactic there is just drive down that Jeep trail until you spot fresh deer tracks cutting across it. And then I just start sidehilling through there, and you've got to work your way through that real slow. But, you know, you eventually do wind up seeing deer. And usually, especially on a weekend, like we're going to have this weekend, they're bedded down. I'll be on the north face of those hills and just creeping along and looking down. And then eventually, you know, you just take your time working through. And at first you see this thing that you think is a boulder laying

there in the trees, and then you start watching it, and all of a sudden you realize, nope, that's not a boulder, that's a deer, bedded down. Very good. Hey, Greg, I was going to ask you, in the past you have talked about areas that are great for what you would term cast and blast. Will that work this weekend? What do you think? Oh, absolutely.

This is going to be a great cast and blast weekend. And what I refer to cast and blast, you start off the mornings, and then you finish the day, hunting. but in the middle part of the day you set your hunt up so you've got a lake you can get to and then you spend the middle part of the day fishing

so if you don't wind up coming home with a deer you do wind up coming home with the limit of trout because the sun we're going to see this weekend will kick the trout into high gear on a feeding frenzy that is going to be hitting somewhere between 11 a.m. and 3 p.m.

And that's why I call it the cast and blast hunt, because middle part of the day, you're sitting there by the lake and you're fishing and get great results for fishing. So Howard Perry, Hyatt Lake, pick your lake, really, you know, all of them will offer that cast and blast opportunity. Does Lake Selmac offer that kind of opportunity in Joe? It absolutely does. I mean, there are roads that you can take that run off of the paved county roads out there in that area. The BLM roads get you up there in the hills. So you absolutely can do that over at Selmaq. Willow Lake is another great lake for it to be, you know, one of those kind of spots. Fish Lake, same thing. And man, I have been seeing a lot of pictures of late of people catching huge tiger trout in fish lake.

Glad to hear it. Yeah, just, you know, it's the big thing is those fish are all trying to bulk up for what they know is coming. And now we're starting to see bigger fish show up in the catches. Fish Lake, Lake of the woods, Diamond Lake, you name it. People are getting some really impressive size trout because they're, These things are on a feeding binge right now, getting ready for winter. And again, 11 a.m. to 3 p.m., somewhere in that four-hour time frame, the fishing, the bite really kicks in, and it's great.

Pretty much get a fish on every cast. Or if you're trolling and you decide to do that, you got a boat and decide, okay, I'm going to do it out of a boat. trolling doesn't take very long for the action to find you when you get to the right depth and speed. All right. Greg Roberts is with me, rogueweather.com, the outdoor report here, sponsored by Oregon Truck and Auto Authority on Airway Drive in Medford. Hey, caller, you have a question for Greg or a comment? Go right ahead. Sir. Yeah, this is Scott, a professional driver from EP. Yes. Hey, Greg, how you doing?

Good, Scott. How are you? And how bad, hey, we were up with my daughter and son-in-law to be, I hope, up at Lake of the Woods and Fish Lake and see some good signs for Blacktail up there. What do you think about that area for also the hominid, the relic hominid? Oh, the crypto zoology trip that you like to go on, right? Both things. All right. I'm going to start with the deer side of things. there is an area called Rye Springs just to the north of Highway 140.

There are roads that come off of Highway 140. They're Forest Service roads. You can see those roads. They will get you into the Rice Springs area. And Rye Springs, for me, it's always been a good spot to encounter deer. Although now that I think about it, I don't remember ever taking a buck there. I certainly have seen them there. For me, it's a better elk hunting.

spot. Okay, as close to the Sky Lake. Rice Springs is good, and then just to the south of Fish Lake, you have Brown Mountain. Brown Mountain, that area is also another one that has been really good over the years for deer. I've seen a lot of deer in there. Now, I'm mentioning these spots because you also mentioned Raleigh Cominid. The area that I think in there probably generates more reports that I am aware of would be

the Brown Mountain area. And Brown Mountain has a big population of black bears on it. It's one of the best places I can think of in the entire state of Oregon to see cinnamon-phase black bears, and those are black bears that have some reddish appearance to them. I've had people say they saw grizzlies there. Well, actually what they saw was a cinnamon-phase black bear. And there are definitely Ralei Cominids running around on Brown Mountain. They seem to go basically from the Brown Mountain area, south down towards Hep Cey Mountain, Condi Creek area, especially in the fall and winter. You know, I don't think the fire activity in there this year is going to displace them

because none of those fires really got big. So, yeah, if you want to do the Raleigh-a-comit thing, then definitely Brown Mountain, back down towards Epsi, Condi Creek area. That'd be a pretty good spot. All right. Hey, Greg, I appreciate that. And, Scott, thanks for the call. Before we take off here, Greg, I want to say a quick fire update.

And I did talk with State Rep. Cord, Boyce, and he said that the rain certainly made things better on the moon complex. But is that pretty much going to be out here, even though it's going to be relatively dry this weekend and maybe even a little bit warmer? next week. Yeah, it definitely, the rains absolutely hammered the fires in that complex. They frantically push structure resource protection in. That included Rogue Valley Task Force 57 Friday night into Saturday morning. A conflagration act was declared. State Fire Marshal resources came pouring in. And then almost literally as soon as all of those resources got on scene and in place, here comes the rain, and within 72 hours, they had demobilized all of those resources

because they just were no longer needed. That was something I was expecting we were going to wind up seeing happening because knew we would see pretty good amounts of rain, and we did, and it definitely did suppress that fire. Is it totally out? No, not yet. There are definitely still pockets of heavier fuel that it is smoldering. But on the other hand, I think where they were most concerned about the fire getting towards populated areas, they're going to be able to get that wrapped up pretty well. The interior of the fire, areas of the fire, more, you know, I'll put it as wilderness, for lack of a better way to put it, Because that terrain out there, that's just some of the worst terrain on the face of the earth to try and get humans in to engage fire at. It's steep, it's rocky, there's very little direct access anywhere out there. When you get a lot of smoke in the air, you can't put aircraft up because you just can't see the terrain.

And you don't want to be putting planes and helicopters into the side of mountains. Now, of course, visibility is much better. There are still some helicopters out there working that fire, but what they're doing, they're doing the real pinpoint drops where they hover directly over a hotspot and then drop their entire bucket load, or if they've got a tank, drop the entire tank load right on one spot to put a lot of water on a particular hot spot. But that thing, it's still going to be burning. It's just going to be at a much reduced rate, less likely to take off and be a threat to anything.

This is definitely now more of a mop-up, do-what-you-can situation with it. And then probably the way it looks now, Thursday, maybe Thursday night, the next round of rain comes in. And so I really don't anticipate Moon Complex becoming a major issue again. Okay, good to hear. Good to hear the official kind of take on that. And by the way, Bear Camp Road, is that reopened now? I know it was closed for a while because of fire activity. They could close it. And no, I have not seen any notification they have reopened it.

A lot is going to depend exactly on how much the fire burned up and along and over the road. if that was pretty extensive, they've got a lot of hazard work to do, removing trees, removing debris, other things that they've got to do to make sure that road is going to be safe to open. So I'll be looking to see if there's any kind of an announcement about that. But on the other hand, Bear Camp is, again, one of the very few roads they can use to get access into that area. and I can also see them keeping bear camp closed just so they can safely move firefighters and firefighting equipment around utilizing, as I said, one of the very few roads that will get them into the area. All right. Greg Roberts at Rogueweather.com and, of course, the purveyor of the Outdoor Report,

producer of the outdoor report every Friday at about this time. Rogueweather.com. Have a great hunting weekend, Greg, and we'll catch you next week. Keep us in the room if anything breaks, okay? We'll do, Bill. All right. Thanks a bunch. Always appreciate that. 733 at KMED and KBXG. Did you know that SISQ pump service does much more than service pumps?

In addition to providing pump installation and repair, SISCU pump installs water systems and storage tanks, water filtration systems, plus conducts real estate. I'm getting ready for Matt here. Getting ready for Matt, and I just wanted to make sure that I got my buttons and I had them all screwed up. Now we got them unscrued here. Matt, how you doing? Everybody has to have a buddy. You're my stock buddy.

I appreciate having you, on here from Grants Pass. How are you doing this morning, sir? Well, it's not as good as a pool, buddy, but it's the second best thing. What now? What buddy? A pool buddy. Oh, oh, pool buddy. The ones get on your street at a built-in pool.

Oh, yeah, yeah, that kind of buddy. Everybody likes that kind of buddy. All right. Hey, wanted to dig into a couple of bits of financial news because I love just shooting the breeze with you about, you know, stocks and trading and financing in general. I'll be the first to admit this, okay? And by the way, you are not a broker. I just want to make sure people understand that Matt's not a broker, but still is, you know, paying attention to what's going on here. And you dropped me a note that there was an amazing announcement that Texas is going to be starting up a stock exchange here.

And I don't know what the time frame is on something like this. But I look at this as being kind of earth-shattering. I don't know if maybe the financial world is looking at this as being earth-shattering. but to me it's almost a shot across the bow of all right maybe it's time that that New York City finance gets taken down a peg or two and I don't know if that's a way to look at this or not how do you see it?

That's exactly how I see it and actually I sent you a link to that the art, basically from the Texas Stock Exchange I sent you that article it was their announcement and I'm just going to read one three line pair well it's a one sentence paragraph from an article from 2020, August of 2023, from Forbes.

And this will give you an indication of where things are going. It says about 158 financial institutions managing 993 billion and assets have established and aggressively staffed hubs in Florida, North Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and other less expensive locations, according to data from 17,000 corporate filings compiled by Bloomberg. So this is good, reliable information. Vigal, I can't remember her name now. She's ARCS investment. She was really famous like in 2020 for really being ahead on the tech stuff and everything. Her fund was growing by leaps and bounds. Another, it says mass exodus. This is also from the Forbes article. It says following the leads of other major financial service firms such as

Credit Swiss, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, Barclays, UBS, Citigroup, Alliance Bernstein, and more relocating to lower-cost areas. Well, Fargo's pouring investments into a two-tower, 850,000 square foot campus in Irving, Texas. Man, that is a massive. That's a massive move for Wells Fargo. Man. Here, look, this shouldn't surprise anybody. So these moves, in this article that points out, these moves didn't start like yesterday, okay, back in 2021 is when you saw people starting to leave. So I did myself a little research here, and I noticed that Bill de Blasio was mayor of New York City for 2014 to 2021.

The guy is a, he's a Marxist. He's an absolute Marxist. He supports Marxist government. he's a Marxist. They're about to reelect another Marxist. And I think Wall Street, look, these are some of the smartest people on the face of the planet. Oh, yeah. Well, they know who's going to be treated well and who's not going to be treated well. And just looking at the political risk there, they're no dummy, right? Yeah. So these firms have all got together, you know, Schwab and everybody else. And they, I mean, look, we already know you mentioned it in your lead-up here

that Elon Musk was moving all of his companies. And he moved X into Florida to Cape Canaveral. Here's the thing. Florida and New York, they have been living off of the backs of the most, I would say, the most skilled, ambitious. You can hate them if you want to. That's who these people are. that's how they make all this money. Granted, they do some stuff with, you know, the government or whatnot. But the bottom line is business is not going to stay on the coasts anymore. Fly-by, the fly-bys are going to become the financial mechas and tech mechas. I mean, you've got San Antonio is seeing huge movement of tech firm moving into there.

I can't remember, but I want to say it's Arkansas, but Meda is building a massive data center. Maybe it's one of the Carolina. You can't continue to abuse your biggest earners and not expect them to leave. Look, I don't know how long it's going to take for people to really migrate to a Texas stock exchange. But, I mean, I'm just going to give you a quote. First of all, it's reading the article, the thing that jumped out at me, the word competition in that press release was in there several times. Yeah. Other than words like, for and but or whatever competition and real competition is a quote from the CEO of the new exchange. By the way, they're looking at trading starting you during the second half of

2026. They set up their offices, I guess, earlier this year in the spring of this year, their corporate offices. This is where the future is. And I think you're going to see New York City when Wall Street leaves, and a lot of your listeners understand this, but when you have massive financial centers like this, and they begin to pull out and go to other places, they might keep a small footprint, right? But you have so many businesses that make their living off of people working in New York City. What happens to all of those businesses when these people leave?

Well, they dry up and they have to go elsewhere, too. Bill, this is going to be. the rust belt. That's the manufacturing centers in Ohio and Detroit and all these are the places. Yeah, but it's going to be more of a financial rust belt, essentially. That's right. And this is the thing that it amazes me. Look, this guy, Mondami, he's a millionaire.

He's a millionaire. He's never worked a day in his life. He's never had a real job. Don't you laugh at commie millionaires? It's amazing. Oh, yeah. Well, so I decided, you know, the Russian Revolution, I was doing a little research on that this morning.

That uprising came from about 4% of the population in Russia. And so when people say, oh, the people protesting in the street and teeth and all that, it doesn't matter. Yes, it does matter. It matters. Nobody's starting a stock exchange in Portland. That's ever going to happen. Well, there's plenty of office space available if they want it cheap and no one's taking it at this point. So nobody's going to do it.

So these small groups can have a big effect. The only thing I see from preventing that from taking over everywhere is the fact that we're huge. And like Russia has more landmass than we do. But we're a very diversified country financially. We have business and financial centers throughout the United States. Where in Russia, it's in like four or five cities. And that's it. And there isn't anything else going on anywhere else. And so it makes it harder. But, you know, but we are giving up these cities. People have given up Portland. People are

giving up New York. And people are going to be giving up Silicon Valley. You see people living. I don't know that Google will ever leave. Maybe Google figures that, you know, the more tech guys that leave, the better treatment they'll get as they try to beg them not to leave. That very, and that could be actually a pretty good bet to make there with Newsom, with the situation there. Yeah. And so, look, I don't, people should not be sanguine about him becoming president or anybody else on the left or even AOC. There are enough people out there who would be willing to do enough things to get anybody who was nothing like a Republican. Forget about Trump specifically, but anybody who is conservative.

But the bottom line for me on all of this stuff is these people who have money, they're mobile. With the technology, you no longer have to run your hedge fund out of New York City or any other large financial center. San Francisco used to be a big financial center. You no wonder have to run your businesses out of their Chicago with all of the commodities exchanges. They can go anywhere. and they are going to go anywhere. And they're going to go where they're treated better. Texas will certainly treat capital better than New York City.

There's absolutely no doubt about that. And by the way, what is the tax structure like in Texas? Do you know off the top of your head? Have you paid much attention to that? Tax, which I think you know. What's that? Okay. There's no state income taxes.

Yeah, I know that. So they get a lot of their taxes from property taxes and sales taxes. Their sales taxes are actually quite high. They have a lot of fees. I haven't looked into it specifically. but people I know move there said it's more expensive to register a car there. There's other kinds of things. But I actually wrote this down on the property tax thing.

So for years, there's some top radio guys that come on later in the day, Joe Paggs, Mark Levin, and I might listen to Dallas-Fort Worth station just to kind of hear what's going on with Texas. I'll even listen to some of the smaller markets just to kind of hear what's going around the country. and the problem Texas has had is they treat their property tax situation. It's very volatile. You can have something passed and then boom, the property taxes go way up, and then there's a revolt, and then they come down, and then they go up. It's very inconsistent the way they do it.

But now that they're getting these financial centers and they're having all these financial corporations come in, I think you're going to see a huge boom in corporate taxes there. And it's going to be so much less than where these firms were before. They'll be happy to pay it. They'll increase production. They'll increase services. But that would tend to then smooth out the boom and bus side of Texas's government funding, right? That kind of thing.

The one thing that makes me nervous about Texas, there's a couple things. But one thing that makes me nervous is that, I mean, I don't live there, obviously, and I have no intent on living there. But when I was doing my education research a couple of years, ago, and you and I talked in the radio about that, when I was calling the Education Committee in Texas, and Texas has a majority Republican, I noticed that it was a Democrat that was the chair of the Education Committee. And I was like, what? You think for one second the state of Oregon would ever let a Republican be ahead of the Department of Education or anything that had to do with anything? Nope. Never. But Texas does. And so I called, I actually called the Republican. I had to

go down a few chairs. And I called him. I said, I'm just curious. I said, I'm just trying to get the lay of the land and how education is handled in all the different states. And you guys actually have a Democrat who's the chair of the education committee. What's the deal? And he says, well, Texas has had a longstanding agreement that we share chairmanship across all of our committee. Absolutely insane. And I don't like the fact that Texas has a lot of rhinos in both their statehouse and their Senate. I don't. So it bothers me. They need to clean that up. I do know that they just redistricted there and they picked up some more seats for Republicans for the next election in 2026. But this is where firms are going. And they are going to North Carolina and they are

going to Tennessee and they're going to these lower, look, before long, you're not just going to see Chinese cartels selling weed out of Oklahoma. You're going to see financial institutions are going to be getting into Oklahoma because Dallas, Fort Worth, you can live in Oklahoma with even lower taxes and be a half hour drive. Yeah. So all of these things are going to come to pass. Me personally, you were talking yesterday about this. I do, I don't see how. I don't see how people on the left and right come together again not in my lifetime certainly I know that we have some well-meaning people Louie and others have talked to me about this you know coming together I don't see any way out long term without some sort

of an amiable divorce or amicable divorce you know of some sort am I am I talking about breaking up the states no I don't know if we're talking about some form of super federalism where the federal government is only doing just a very few things, which, of course, is what I was supposed to do in the first place. But, you know, you look at what is happening out here on the left coast. You look what's happening in flyover country, East Coast, and things like that. The worldviews are way too different. And I don't know if talking to people that would just as soon kill you is necessarily going

to make them not want to kill us as time goes on. I could be wrong. Maybe I'm just looking at this too negatively. Then you and I could both be wrong. But I agree with what you're saying. I think there is, an amicable divorce is what I would like to see, but Rust never sleeps. So the left is never, ever going to let go of their utopian fantasy. They're never going to let go of it.

But here's the thing. So I do think what's going to happen is what you just described. I think you're going to see that you're going to have certain states where conservatives will gravitate towards, you're going to have other states where liberals will gravitate. towards. However, look what happened to Oregon. And the time I've lived here, which is 32 years now, I think we had just around 3 million people living in Oregon. It got over 4 million, and now it's dropping again because people are going to Idaho, Nevada, Arizona, Florida, and other places. But then for the most part, it's not progressives that are leaving the state.

There are some. There are some. It's mostly not progressives that are leaving the state. It's people who are thinking like, you know, you and me and various other listeners, I suppose. Okay, but let's throw this out at you. There may not be progressive. By the way, that is such a stupid term, because how can you be considered progressive when you are gravitating towards a madman who wrote a terrible, you know, research back in 1848? You know, we're talking about marks here. How is it a great? I agree.

It's just their self-applied label. It's just for a sake of argument, but I agree that's a stupid name when you look at the reality of it. That being said, take it to a conclusion. My, okay, here's my conclusion. I'm worried that left-wing business, successful business owners, and there are plenty, will move to state where their capital is treated well. They'll get there, they'll drag their employees who are left-wingers, and they'll vote in areas. So they're going to drag their left-wing ideology, other places, because they want

the financial benefits, but they want the other stuff, too. So that's... Yeah, so nothing changes. It's the same sort of thing. Oregon, Californicated, is what we were talking about years and years ago. And now it'll be Texas being californicated or Oregonicated.

I don't know. Conservatives are not moving to blue states. They are not. They're leaving. But the other people can move. I mean, the bottom line is, and I know that sounds terrible for any Democrat who's listening, And if you're a normal liberal Democrat, I have no problem. But these people are like locusts.

They go to one place. They destroy it. Then they go to the next place and they destroy it. Then they go to the next place and they destroy it. And so what happens is when they destroy it, then people move. They came to Oregon because the housing was cheaper, right? So they just keep moving and moving and moving to get to this cheap. So they're chasing the money, the cheaper money.

They're chasing that. But they're bringing all the stuff that ruin the place they just left. And they just don't have enough self-awareness to say, gosh, you know, maybe the ideals that I've stood behind my entire life are wrong. And the fact is the hardest thing for people to do is admit they're wrong. Oh, yeah. So when you get that mindset your entire life and all of a sudden you have to say I was wrong. Yeah, that's hard to do.

Before you take off, though, here, Matt, I want to ask you one more question here. Now, up in Grands Pass area, we know Travis. We know Travis Boresma ended up taking off with Dutch pros and ended up moving the corporate headquarters to Arizona. is Arizona in that same kind of growth or monumental growth spurt like Texas is based on, you know, stock capital moving there? Or is that kind of a one-off? I'm wondering if there's more political risk in Arizona than there is in Texas, from the financial side of things. Look, up until this last election, and maybe this last election confirmed it, I still think that Arizona is in a place where it's a swing state, a little bit like North Carolina. Yeah.

But I will say this, I don't think Hobbs, is that our name, the governor there? Yeah, Katie Hobbs? Yeah, I don't think she'll get elected again. I think, I will say this, I got to get Charlie Kirk a lot of credit. I mean, he turned that state red. He did. He did. Not Trump, he did.

And so it's a matter of, are there enough people who move from California and, you know, or, you know, Washington to Arizona? Are there enough people there to say, look, we don't. don't want that. That might be because Colorado could not be saved. It used to be a deep red state, and now it's left-wing hardcore, and it's dead to me. But I could see where Arizona could be saved. You still have enough people there who support capitalism and, you know, free market principles that they could keep that a red state. But it's going to take some time. But I think they're on the cusp of maybe winning that state back. I think that's where they are right now.

All right. Matt, I appreciate the take on the financial side. of things, the new stock market coming to Texas, and it is certainly a portend of a bigger future, and once again, capital moving where it's going to be treated well. But that doesn't necessarily mean that could be good for their politics long term, too, for the reasons that you described, because, you know, you can have leftists that are saying, hey, you know, I'd like to move my company out there, and let's see, I'll get into Texas, and we'll support transgender surgeries there, just like I do in Oregon or something. I don't know. Well, let's throw one more That's it. Remember, when Republicans used to run for office, about three quarters of Wall Street's money went to Republican pockets until Biden. And three quarters of that money went to Biden. That's a huge amount of money.

So the big capital money is on all the hard left, unfortunately. I don't know there was any other way to put it. Well, I've got to tell you, I've seen a lot of these big money guys. They push Trump. They push Musk. They put, you've got these big money guys. I think they like the social liberal stuff, but they're realizing that you can always do that stuff later or you can minimize it. But what they like is they like their capital treated well. And I think, I think what we could see is we could see a shift where they're going to go, they're going to go back to the middle, where they're going to say, hey, look, let's just, you know, get behind a particular candidate rather than getting behind a party. And I think they, look, their eyes have been open.

When you saw what the Blasio did in New York City and now they're looking at this guy, their eyes are open. They're looking at it and they're saying, no, we can't let this happen. I don't think they're going to let it happen to Texas. My concern is those giant mosque centers are opening up in Texas. Apparently, anyway, that's another topic. Yeah, yeah, here we have the, it'll be the political Islam versus the political capital. Boy, I can't wait to see how that plays out there.

and we're not even talking about the south of the border issue, which is still a deal there. All right. Matt, thank you so much. We appreciate that. Matt from Grants Pass. Good hearing from you. Thanks. KMED, KMED, H.D1, Eagle Point, Medford, KBXG, Grants Pass. Fred Harmon joins me here in a few minutes. We're going to be talking that proposed ball stadium in Medford. And if that is a good deal to bring the Eugene Emeralds here to Southern Oregon. Need quick cash? Then come to Pickerspon. Hi, this is Jessica, inviting you to bring your Gold, silver, firearms, electronics.