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Episode Date: October 6, 2025

Morning news, the Trump/Kotek/Newsome court battles over Portland. Mirror Mirror on the Wall, which insurance company is the wokest of all? We dig in with Will Hild, exec director at CONSUMERS RESEARCH.

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The Facebook.com slash Bill Myers Show feed is up. And unfortunately has my face on it, face for radio, as they used to say. but I appreciate you watching, listening, streamed on KMED.com, 105, 9 in Grants Pass and parts of the Interstate 5 corridor there, 993 KBXG for greater Josephine County, 2, and 1067 at South Jackson County and, of course, 1063 KMED. Keeping you covered one way or the other. Hey, first question for you this morning, though, is why is it that Democratic hive minds

are, like Oregon, are so terrified of National Guard troops surrounding a federal building. What is it about that? Could you give me a few ideas? Do you have any thoughts about why we are at this point where there seems to be such a clutching of pearls over the potential of having National Guard troops surrounding one square block of Portland? And that's essentially what we're all fighting about this weekend. And what a fight it was. And it's not over.

In fact, I was mentioning this on Facebook the other night that in spite of the temporary restraining orders, yeah, we had Armaged, you know, Judge Armaged, federal judge blocking President Trump's first deal about taking Oregon National Guard troops and putting them around the federal building. you have that story and then the judge says no you can't do that puts a temporary 14-day restraining order against that and then President Trump

here's kind of like almost the timeline of how it ended up working this weekend Oregon Public Broadcasting then reports on well yesterday circumventing the court order's intent Trump sends California National Guard

to Oregon Oregon Governor Tina Kotech said in a Sunday morning statement that 101 members of the California National Guard had arrived in Oregon by plane Saturday night. More soldiers were on the way. And so, well, Newsom ended up fighting that in court. And the California National Guard members did arrive in Portland. Trump has sidesteped a federal judge's ruling. That's how the reporting ended up going this weekend. Then we have on the Hill, Oregon Attorney General preparing to take legal action against Trump sending California National Guard troops.

Dan Rayfield yesterday saying, prepared to take legal action. He did. We are quickly assessing our options and preparing to take legal action. We'll continue to share updates as we have them. California Newsom ended up saying the same thing. So they're really upset about this. Then, California and Oregon, this in the Road Valley Times, this was about, oh, just before 1 o'clock yesterday, California and Oregon sued to block Portland development. Trump adds Texas troops.

Okay. So I got to tell you, Trump keeps going after, okay, all right, you don't want California, right? You don't want Oregon troops there. We'll take California troops. Oh, you don't want California troops. Okay, we'll bring Texas troops in there. and then the hissy fitting starts again. And then federal judge Sunday night issues a new broader order barring any National Guard members,

any National Guard members, from being relocated from any state for federal service in the state of Oregon. It was an unusual late-night hearing. By the way, this is Rogue Valley Times. Unusual late-night hearings by phone, U.S. District Judge Karen M. and J. Immigate, rather, said she was troubled to learn that the Trump administration had already sent about 200 California National Guard members to Oregon, and that Texas National Guard members were now authorized by the Defense Secretary to be transferred to Oregon to protect federal property and officers. She found that the Trump administration was directly violating

her order issued Saturday in which she found no justification for federalized military to serve anywhere in the state. All right. So that's where we find ourselves at the moment. What's next? I don't know, but you know darn well that the Trump administration's not going to sit this down. Governor Kotech saying, and by the way, this in Oregon live this morning, this ruling is

another validation of the facts on the ground in Portland. It is also a clear and forceful rebuttal to President Trump's misuse of state's National Guard. the rule of law must stand. This is not just about Oregon or a handful of states anymore. It's about the integrity of our democracy. President Trump's actions are an effort to occupy and incite cities. Really?

Governor Kotech says President Trump's actions are an effort to occupy and incite. Okay. Now I know there was that conservative independent journalist who ended up getting busted up and arrested after the Antifa goons gave him a beat down the other day because he ended up grabbing the American flag that they were setting on fire and then he put the American flag fire out. And then the Antifa black block type goons end up pushing him into a flower area. They start throwing some punches. And Portland police doesn't arrest the Antifa goons. They arrest Nick, the independent reporter, and charge him with disorderly conduct. Now, Bondi is investigating that right now, throwing everything at it, including Harmy Dillon, the assistant AG, who ended up talking to last week about some other things.

I still think that she was P.O. to be. She woke up P.O. for some reason and continued to be P.O. to be. I don't know. If you listen back to that podcast, it's kind of like, all right, what B's in your bonnet this morning? Proudly the boss saying, hey, come on, come on, Harmeet, get something done here. I don't know. You never know what happens when you talk to someone from the feds. But anyway, what is it? What is it about National Guard guarding and just actually restoring some order around the ice building?

Arguably, been attracting a lot of attention for the last three, four months here. Because Oregon has such a distorted priority. of love, the priority of love goes first and forced to migrants. Not that I have anything against migrants. I understand why you want to come here and do a job and all the rest of this, but being here illegally is celebrated in the state of Oregon, and the federal government no longer celebrates this as they once did. Okay?

All right. So question for you, though, what is it? Why is there such a focus on not restoring? any kind of order around ice. What do you think? You have an opinion on that? Can you explain this? 7705-633-770 KMED, or you can give me your take on it. What do you think got to be done? Part of me starts thinking about the way past troops have been deployed in American cities when people didn't come to heal or when certain. I mean, I'm thinking about when, when, The enforcement of the orders to desegregate schools ended up happening.

And remember, Eisenhower ended up sending the military. Was it really necessary? I don't know. Ike thought it was back in the day. Is that where we are right now? So instead of saying, all right, we're not going to use the, we're not going to use the National Guard. we're just going to hire military troops

and hire them as security to protect the ice building. Now, and that violate posse comitatus, I don't know. There's all sorts of things that run through my head, but I'll bet things are running through your head, too. Let's go to the things running in your head also. This is the Bill Meyer show, 19 after 6. Hi, good morning. Who's this?

Welcome. Good morning, Bill. Well, you snag me again with your questions. Okay, well, I'm just throwing it out there, Tom. I'm glad you're part of the early morning riser. And commenter club, good to have you here. What's up? Well, it's pretty obvious to me, you know, and Tina says that Trump is misusing federal powers and so forth.

The big, you ask the question why Democrats have so got their panties in a nut, if you will. And it's obvious that Trump is showing up their lack of following the law, the sanctuary state. the billions of dollars, Oregon dollars, going into illegals and siphoned away from Oregonians to the point where many people are sick, ill, or even dead from not having tuition funds to take care of Oregonians. So it's a priority situation. Like you said, a priority of love. They decided they love outsiders more than Oregonians. In other words, it's just highlighting their deficiencies of following the law and and and being first for Oregon okay so you think it's it's as simple as that it shows up the

Democratic leadership's failures then in governing our state yeah yeah that's and maybe in their minds it's not a failure they're just you know it's love but But it's, as you say, it's misdirected love. They have an obligation. You know, they were voted in and hired to take care of the state in Oregon or Oregonians. But instead, they decided to direct all their resources somewhere else, you know. And that's really the big argument kind of going on between left and right. And, you know, to me, it's incredibly offensive to me.

It offends my core to be told that Oregon citizens, if you're going to steal tax money and redistributed, which, of course, government does, we well know, right? You and I have talked about this. This is what we do. We steal tax money from the productive and redistributed to those who we think needed. And that's bad enough, Tom, but I think it's even worse and more offensive to be told that we should be stealing tax money from productive citizens and giving them to people who have not followed the rules to be here in the first place? I mean, you would think that that would just

be a natural state of being, would you not? I certainly would, and but stepping back, even a step or two back, in a way, this is all, all this hubris going on is theater to distract from the fact that Trump seems to be leading us into World War III, and so we're all distracted by all this going on around us while some very, very serious steps are being taken. Trump has decided that Tomahawk missiles are fine for Ukraine. They can go reach all the way to Moscow and so forth. It's an act of war of what he's doing. Okay.

I appreciate the call, and thank you for your opinion, as always. 7705-633. Why do they want to do with it? Why do they want to do it this way in Oregon? And what would you hope the Trump administration would respond to? Hi, good morning. Welcome. Who's this?

Hello? This is not so crazy. Well, hello, not so crazy. Good to have you on. Oh, good to be here. I heard some stuff on YouTube here. It was interesting. They're saying Donald Trump is trying to hide up the fact that a fiat money system is collapsing.

and that he's trying to get all the gold back into the country, and he's going to use tariffs as just a way to cover up what's really happening. Huh. That's an interesting theory. That's not a theory. Well, you know, I think it's a, no, I think it is a theory. I don't think it's a proven fact at the moment, but there is some, that's a reasonable hypothesis, I think, though.

That's certainly part of what is going on right now. I mean, all you have to do is look at silver 50 and gold at 4,000 coming up here in the next a few weeks. Yeah. It's the race against the collapse of a fiat currency. How about that much? I can concede that point. I think it's what's going on, part of it. All right?

Well, you know, these people in government are going to do everything they can and media to keep the people from mainly understanding what is happening here. Oh, so you're looking at this then as a distraction or anything else? Yeah, it is. It's distracted. I think there's a little bit more to it than that. But, hey, we're allowed to disagree gently on that, okay? Thanks for the call, Gene. Not so crazy.

Hi, good morning. Hi, who's this? Welcome. Hello? This is Vicki from the Applegate. Hi, Vicki. What do you think in this morning here? Well, you know, about the National Guard, it's...

When you think about it, it's so childish as far as this judge. It's like, you know, we... you can't use Oregon National Guard, so he brings up, and using California, I mean, we're like, Oregon and California are like two peas in a pod. It's really become that way. And being a sanctuary state, it's just, they do not want ICE to take people out, or they, it's all about the money. It's not about the immigrants. It's not about the illegals for them. It's not even about the illegals that are committing horrible crimes and murders. But it does seem that it is about making sure that immigration and customs enforcement is not able to do its job, though,

or has a great difficulty in doing it. In other words, we're going to be dragged, kicking, and screaming to doing it. You know, that kind of thing. You look at these other states like Texas when they wanted to put a halt to the wall. These states independently said, no. We do not want any more illegals or criminals or gang members in. We, as a state, will do it ourselves. So are you thinking that this is a bit of a sovereignty play from,

do you believe in Governor Kotech? Because she does seem to, you know, look at this somewhat that, hey, this is, you know, Oregon can fly with its two wings. No. Can fly. Oregon can fly with its two wings. It's two left wings, of course. No, I do not support her whatsoever.

No, but don't you think she's also trying to make a case that this is about the state controls what goes on here, even if it is at the, you know, for the badness of the citizenry here, you know, to coddle the illegals. Yeah, but, I mean, you compare that to, like, Texas, why don't we go to the people? Let's go to the people in Portland and see if they really like to be, like, beat up and attack. Well, they might like it. They might like it. I mean, seriously, they might like this. This is part of being a diverse, vibrant city, perhaps, here, Vicki.

I'm not being sarcastic when I say this. The fact of the matter is, though, to me, this is about a federal agency, a lawful federal agency being able to conduct its business. And there are times that it goes way beyond just the so-called peaceful protest up there. Okay? Well, right. She doesn't want them there because they will. track down the criminals that are here illegally and the people that they keep

charging and letting go, I mean, that's almost like a given. You get in trouble and you're going to get right out. So I think that's what it's about. It's about getting the money for all these illegals. It's about being able to use the money for all the illegals. And I think we have a right as America to protect, you know, what we need to protect. Okay. I have Appreciate the call. Thanks for that. 7705-633. Some early morning commentary on what they happened over the weekend, back and forth between Trump saying, okay, you don't want, you don't want, Oregon National Guard used. Fine, we'll use California. Oh, no, not California. Okay, we'll use Texas.

And then the judge comes back and then says, no, no National Guard whatsoever. Hi, good morning. KMED. This is Bill. Who's this? This is Dan. Hey, Dan. What do you think of this morning? Anything on your mind? Well, I wanted to talk about CO2 in the atmosphere. Oh, okay, so you wanted to change up a little bit here? Okay, all right, go ahead. What do you think?

Well, you know, with all the talk about CO2 and global warming for 20 years, you'd think this topic would have been mentioned by someone, and that is saturation. You know, when you add sugar to a glass of water, you keep adding it, and it dissolves, at another tablespoon, it dissolves. But eventually you come to saturation and you add more sugar and it just sinks to the bottom of the glass. Well, that's true with CO2 and warming of the atmosphere. You can add more CO2 and get more warming, but only up to a point.

And then adding more CO2 does not increase any more warming because all of the wavelengths of the light that CO2 absorbs, the narrow band of infrared, that's all taken up. And so adding more CO2 does not add any more warming. So that may explain then why back in the days when CO2 levels were, you know, you go back to prehistoric times, Dan, right, in which you would have CO2 levels, ice core samples would say, we're at what about 400 parts per million right now, still a very small amount. what, you know, back of the day, in the prehistoric times, you would have maybe 2,000 parts per million, 2,500 parts per million, and the earth was definitely warm and tropical and lush

because the plants were growing so crazily well, you know, during that time, that we ended up having a lot of jungle around it, but there's only so much that it, that the CO2 warming was going to do so, right? That's kind of your theory then. You reach that limit. Exactly. You got it perfectly. And guess where saturation is? It's at 400 parts per million. Oh, really? So we're there.

So all this talk about cutting back is useless and pointless. But you have to understand the whole point about cutting back is not about being pointless and useless. It's about controlling humanity and deindustrializing, wouldn't you think that's the real push for that? Yes, it is. But to be effective, you'd have to cut it in half, and that's not going to happen. No, I wouldn't think so. Dan, I appreciate your take on it and being, and for being part of the early morning risers and commenting club. Okay? Thanks for the call. Maybe I'd start handing out memberships for that. The early morning risers and commenting club, ERCC. No, E-M-R-A-C-C. Okay, Amarack. There we go. I'll take one more call. Hi, good morning. This is Bill. Who's this? Yeah, Bill, this is Sam I-5. Well, how are you doing on the I-5, Dan?

Hey, it's been a while for the call day, like a year or so. But anyway, shout to my buddy, Russ and Donna and my wife at Kelly. But anyway, I work in the greater Salem, Portland area, off and on with my company I worked for out of Medford here. And talking with the locals up there, the restaurants, the bars, the motels, the people in general, they don't want Antifa in the Portland, Salem area. They don't want this crap going on up there, but yet they, But yet our people-friendly governor has the insight to be totally stupid and act against them.

Dan, Dan, Dan, you're misunderstanding Tita Koteg. I know for sure that she's just looking for that, you know, how can you have that vibrant and diverse downtown community unless you have some people getting, you know, their teeth knocked out over various things? I mean, that's what that's vibrancy, my friend. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's business for her, I guess. I don't know. But, no, I mean, the local stuff, I mean, I believe or not, after the last election, I started asking around, you know, so who do you support? I'm supporting Trump. I'm sporting Republicans. There are more Republicans in the greater Portland, Salemators. I do know that our mail-in ballots are not

working properly. Our election system is a fraud. And that's just from personal observation of travels the state. That's interesting. Well, I think that's certainly why the lawsuit from the federal government's DOJ against the Secretary of State in Oregon demanding the voter roles of the voter information so that we could actually start checking out and seeing what's real. Because, you know, we've had those people like Dr. Frank, Douglas Frank would come down here. I think it was Douglas was his name, but, you know, the guy that would always be studying the voters. And he would say, hey, Josephine County, Jackson County, you're a hundred and 104, 105 percent of registered voters. In other words, you have 5 percent more voters registered

than there are actual physical bodies in the Rogue Valley. Not that there's anything wrong with that, Dan. Okay? Yeah, exactly. And the other thing, too, we need to let the Republicans Josephine County somehow grants pass is that, number one, when my wife was making phone calls to Republican Party, a lot of people said, we don't, but these recalls, listen, we've already voted once. We're not voting again. Wake up people. Support your local. people we voted in, I don't care if you think they're wrong or whatever, because attitudes, personalities, don't let it get in the way of common sense people. That's the main thing. I would agree with you on this. I'm not a fan of recalls unless we have serious, serious,

serious, serious problems. And Josephine County, while people can be arguing about what methods are being done to keep the plate spinning there, it's a blunt force trauma issue. And give them a year or two to figure out, you know, get the sea legs and figure out what's going on in Josephine County. And I would say that about anything. I wasn't a supporter of the recall of the former mayor of Grant's Pass. Now, it failed because once again it was being done for, in my opinion, political things. I didn't agree with that. I made it very loudly known at that point. And I feel the same way about the Josephine County recall efforts. Okay. Appreciate the call. Thank you very much for that. 634 at KM.E.D. 993 KBXG. Appreciate you waking up here

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This is Randall with Advanced Air, and I'm on KMED. 636. Ran a little bit long on that segment. We will continue the commenting segment. in a bed here. I'm going to talk with Will Hild a couple of minutes. Mirror, mirror on the wall, who is the wokenest insurance company of the mall? And I was kind of surprised at the answer for this

because it's kind of nice not to spend money with a woke company if you can help it. But Will will join me from Consumers Union here in the next few minutes. Okay, that'll be coming up after Bill London, who was back from his sickbed, came back. He's going to give us a quick update and what else is going on. And well, also, even though President Trump has had difficulty in the courts over the weekend when it comes to trying to do anything to quell the issues in Portland, he has had some success when it comes to pulling money from the urban hive mines.

We'll talk about that after 7 o'clock to 637 to KMED and Will Hill is coming up next. Oregon Truck and Auto Authority is celebrating its 24-7. That's go-terraferma.com. The Bill Myers Show is on. News Talk 1063, KMED. We have Will Hill joining me right now. Will Hill from Consumers Research. Will, it is great to have you on. Morning, sir.

What's going on? Morning. Great to be with you. Well, you ended up having a report coming out. Tell us first off a little bit about your Consumers Research Group. You are the executive director. What is Consumers Research all about? Break it down if you could.

Absolutely. Consumers Research is the nation's oldest. Consumer Protection Organization, founded in 1929. We have a nearly 100-year pedigree of educating consumers on issues important of them and standing up for them in the marketplace. And that's what we've been doing, especially for the last five years since I came on, to push back against woke capitalism and the disease that causes it, ESG. We've heard about that in Wall Street, big asset managers like BlackRock, pushing companies to be super woke. And that's basically why they keep poking their fingers in the eyes of their own consumers.

You think they care about their customers, but a lot of times they care more about a woke political agenda. Yeah, and just to remind people, what does ESG stand for? I know technically people thought that it was going away, but I thought it was a little bit premature. ESG, what was it, environmental, what's the S part for? Just help us understand that. Yep, environmental, social, and governance. And it's billed by its supporters as just a different type of investment thesis, like value investing that Warren Buffett is famous for or momentum investing, where you buy things that are going up and sell them when they start going down. But the truth is that it's simply a stocking horse for pushing a woke left agenda with other people's money and claiming that you're doing it in line with a business thesis or a purpose to make money.

And we see it not just in investments, but we see it in insurance. We see it in banking. banks use their loan portfolios to push a woke agenda. They require certain things, companies in order to get financing. And I'm sad to say insurers, the topic of our discussion today, have also been using their policy writing to require or to force certain types of activities out of the marketplace. So it's basically an assault on all of our freedoms without ever having to go to the ballot box. And by the way, I signed up for your woke alerts on your website, and it was pretty easy to do.

And you text message me every now and then, in which you have a woke alert that you'll put out about a certain company, and here's why, and then a link to the report. And today we're talking about that, as I was jokingly calling it, mirror mirror on the wall, who's the wokenest insurance company on the mall? And you actually have a report on that. Maybe you can give us a kind of taste of what's happening with that, please. Absolutely. We're going after an insurance company that a lot of people may not have even heard of, even though they're one of the biggest. and that is Chubb, C-H-U-B, Chub Insurance, which has a super woke CEO who's called MAGA policies, a threat to democracy. They've given money to an organization that supports a cop killer, and they've basically, you know, taken on this whole anti-racist, quote-unquote, theology, this religion of discriminating against whites and Asians and sometimes Jews, although he's Jewish, so I doubt that.

But basically as an excuse, you know, they use the DEI and the anti-racist theology as an excuse to violate labor laws and discriminate against people. That's what anti-racism really is about. They say that not being racist isn't enough. You have to be actively anti-racist. Well, what does that mean in practice? Discrimination. Okay, well, not being racist, saying, hey, I'm not racist. That's declaring you're a racist these days from what I understand how that has been described.

Well, you just don't understand. Look at the color of your skin. you must be racist oh okay you know and we we meekly bow the or bend our need to this well a lot of people have been tired of this specifically how does how has chub i always laughed at that name the chub insurance company right c hub b but uh what have any specifically been doing i mean is anything in who they'll insure like they'll take a look at you and say uh okay uh okay let's say you're a firearms dealer or something like that, no insurance for you. Where does it go? How do you break that down? That's exactly right. One of the biggest things they've been doing is cutting off

insurance from coal and natural gas and oil producers. So for coal, specifically, they've said that they will not underwrite any coal project. So they are actively trying to prevent these projects from being able to get insurance, and anybody runs any kind of business knows you effectively can't operate in 2025 in the modern economy without insurance. So this is an attempt to use market share of the insurers and the necessity of their product to basically set environmental policy here in the United States. They also, as you noted, cut off insurance from the National Rifle Association Kerry Guard insurance program.

They had been underwriting that, and then they basically, you know, cave to woke activists saying they would no longer underwrite NRA. And this isn't the National Rifle Association itself. This is NRA members who they were underwriting for insurance, and they stopped doing that. So you're basically an assault on gun owners themselves in the way that they're operating that. So if you're a gun owner, if you like to turn on your lights and have them work, Chubb is actively undermining your way of life. And that's one of the things that people don't, I think, realize is they look and think that it's all, you know,

federal policy, state policy, these things are very important. But the policies of these large financial services companies, like Chubb, have just as much of an effect in modern society on your way of life as, you know, the laws themselves. And so it's why it's so important to push back. And thank you for noting the Woke Alert system. Anyone who would like to go on to our website and sign up, it's at Consumersresearch.org. It's very easy to sign up. There's a button right at the top. And we do not bombard you. This is not, you're not going to get weekly emails just because we felt the need to send something out. We send out text messages if and when it is important. And we do two things. One, we obviously have to educate consumers on the ways in which the company that we're

targeting is undermining their way of life. But we don't just send you something to make you outrage. We believe in using not only your wallet, but also your voice to push back on these companies. This is what the left does. The left doesn't just say, fine, we're done with you, we're not going to use you anymore. They hassle these companies. They call these companies. they email these companies. They cajole these companies. So we always provide contact information, phone, email, social media in order to push back online and over the phone against these companies, let them know how you feel about their actions. And that is how we win the war for our country and for corporate America is by using that. So again, it's not something you'll get, you know,

if people want to sign up, this isn't signing up for unlimited spam. This is very targeted. This is very specific, and it's very action-oriented. So if you want to become a war, Warrior against Woke with us, you can visit at Consumersresearch.org and sign up for those woke alerts. And like I said, very easy, and you don't pepper me with too many. I'll hear from you, like, maybe every week or two, or it just depends on how much comes out that you've been talking about. Consumers Research Executive Director Will Hild with me this morning.

I just had a friend Matt who text-messaged me, says, hey, Bill, Chubb is running big pop-up ads on Breitbart just recently. I just opened it up Breitbart, and it's there right now. Now, are they a full-line kind of insurance company? I don't know that I have ever knowingly purchased Chubb insurance. Could you explain what they do, please? They are underwriters of a lot of different insurers. So I do think they have a retail side, but it's not as prominent as, say, State Farm or

nationwide or something like that. But a lot of companies use Chubb and a lot of organizations use Chub. And so that's the way they try to use their market share to push a woke-left agenda. I'm not surprised to hear that they are suddenly running. We launched our campaign last week. And by all reports that we've gotten through back channels, they are in full panic about being called out for their woke policies. This week, we have a billboard in Times Square running a digital billboard, so it's a cartoon, that talks about Evan Greenberg, that Chubb CEO's support for men in women's restrooms, transgender men going into women's restrooms. And it talks about he has said that any kind of discrimination against men in women's restrooms is a, quote, unquote, threat to democracy.

That's how insane this guy is pushing the woke left transgender ideology. So it's a threat to democracy, which translates as, yeah, which translates as Evan Williams will, or Evan, rather, will threaten your insurance coverage if you're very noisily protesting it in some ways, right? That's exactly right. That statement, that philosophy is a setup for them to aggressively go after people who disagree with them and basically cut them off from the insurance industry. And we've seen this, like I said, we saw this in the asset minister space. We've seen this in the banking space. But the insurance space, and particularly this company, Chubb, it's a lot of people don't realize how powerful that market share can be when you start cutting people off.

And the other thing is it's important not just – I know you said, you know, tell us a little bit about their business. It's important not just for people to make sure that they aren't using Chubb, but Chubb ensures a lot of government. It has a lot of government contracts. And they make sure to educate your elected officials that you don't want your money. When the state acts as a customer, they're representing you. They don't have an obligation for the state of Texas and state of Florida to use an insurer that pushes a woke left agenda, educating your elected officials and saying, listen, why should we have any contracts with Chub when they're trying to undercut our second amendment rights when they're trying to push a radical

left transgender ideology. That is a huge threat to them as well because government, state governments in particular, are some of their biggest customers. So I always, you know, like said, we don't want to just use our wallet. That's important. We also want to use our voice. And speaking to our elected officials and letting them know, they need to be picking insurance companies that believe in American principles, not in woke left politics. Now you're going to make me want to start looking at what the insurance contracts look at around here in southern Oregon and the state of Oregon in general. Hey, now, when it comes to Chubb, you had talked about how Chubb will work with other insurance

companies. Is this that term? I'm not an insurance agent, but I'm trying to remember what it. Is it a big reinsurer? In other words, you'll have a state farm that will be writing policies, and then they'll also contract with another company, perhaps like a Chub, to back them up in case there are excess claims as a reinsurer of sorts. Do they do that kind of activity?

Is that way a way that they can spread their influence, you know, bigger than their punching weight, so to speak? Yeah, they do have some, they do have a reinsurance division. You're exactly correct in how you've described it. Their main line of offerings is commercial and personal insurance and an accident and health coverage. But they do have a reinsurance operation. It's important to note that and to know where your insurance is ultimately coming from. That's good. Hey, I really appreciate the take on this.

So you put up a billboard on Times Square setting this guy on fire, and it's all over the woke alert here. And I'm just kind of curious, are any of the other insurance companies big on the Woke Index? And the reason I bring this up is that I would have thought, for sure, that flow in progressive, being that the fact that it is progressive insurance, and progressive insurance, of course, was all about progressive principles when it was founded. Wouldn't they technically be high on that, or do they just want to do a good job of selling insurance? How do you see it, Will? Yeah, that's a great question.

And to tell you the truth, Chubb is not the only woke insurer. They're just the wokeest insurer. And you're 100% right. There are problems that a lot of these insurers. Nationwide, we went after with a woke alert earlier this year, for renaming its Department of Dei to just Department of Belonging, but not changing any of their. Perpet of belonging. Yes, exactly. They don't change any of their policies.

They didn't even change the stock images on the DEI web page. They just changed the name of the page and of the person that directs their anti-asian discriminatory policies. They actually tried to threaten to sue me over that, which was pretty funny because the evidence of their discriminatory policies is all over the Internet. But so nationwide is not great. That said, State Farm, we had an issue with State Farm pushing transgender ideology on kids as young as five back in 2022, but they seemed to have cleaned all that up. So I think it looked like

it was a rogue DEI department, you know, surprise, surprise. They're all pushing a woke agenda. But it looked, State Farm took it, to their credit, took it very seriously, terminated their relationship with the NGO that was pushing that insanity and seems to have cleaned a lot of, although a lot of their corporate culture up. So there are, you know, ones that are better and worse. I would say is the worst nationwide is not great. I would avoid them as well, but State Farm seems to take consumer and customer feedback very seriously. So State Farm is, you know, again, I'm not saying there's nothing wrong with that, you know,

anywhere in their corporate culture, but they're better than a lot of the alternative. Hey, well, that's good to know. Will Hill once again, consumers, consumers research, consumers research.org. You can read up on this report. Join the woke alert. I have. I think it's a good little way to keep informed. It's not too intrusive.

but certainly know when something's going on and getting weird there. You know, I couldn't help to think back of the, you know, the transgender thing. You know, like a good neighbor, State Farm is going after your kids, right? You could see them. Well, right. Well, actually, we named the campaign like a creepy neighbor. Because like a creepy neighbor, they want to talk to your kids about sex. Oh, man.

But, you know, holding it up for derision and sarcasm is beautiful tactic, though. It really does. And it really stings. can't do anything about that, can they? They can't fight that. That's exactly right. And a lot of times, you know, the funny thing is we began this conversation with a talk about ESG and how they claim it's in for the best of their business, right? But yet, the thing they're most afraid of is simply having what they're doing advertised and made known to the broader public. If ESG, if woke capitalism works so well, if it attracts so many consumers who share their values and want to see

them push this nonsense, then wouldn't they want to be advertising? What they're doing? Wouldn't they be running, New York Times or Times Square billboards, you know, quoting their CEO, pushing for transgender men in women's restrooms. Why is it, if it's so good for business, this ESG is so important for making more money, why is it they're always trying to hide it? Why is it they're always trying to rebrand it? And that really gives it a way. This is a political agenda. This is executives misusing the company that they have been, to remember, this isn't their company. Evan Greenberg doesn't own Chubb. He, He is a caretaker for the shareholders, and yet what is he doing?

He's using it as a political utility for the far left, and being called out for that is very important, and that's why they're so afraid of it, because they know they're violating their duty to their shareholders, they're violating the producer duty under their job, and it's not good for business. Getting called out for this is not good for business. Will, is this ESG movement in the DEI? Is this also part of what I've also heard termed stakeholder capitalism? Is that what they mean by that?

You're 100% right. Stakeholder capitalism is actually an attempted rebrand of ESG. And because you can talk about how we have to look at all the stakeholders, the employees, the customers, the vendors, everything. It sounds very airy and nice because, oh, you're taking everybody's opinion into account. I've never seen it used when it wasn't, again, a stocking horse for doing whatever the politics of the executive or the C-suite wanted to do. We had a situation when we first got involved in this. We went after American Airlines, and it's then CEO, Doug Parker. Just an awful, awful CEO had completely destroyed that airline.

They were being rated the worst in the country annually by the Wall Street Journal. And he claimed to be engaging in stakeholder capitalism when he got that company in the fight against voter ID laws in Texas. And he claimed that his employees were clamoring for this. There was no evidence of that. He didn't run a poll. He didn't – you know, I don't think he was going down and asking the baggage handlers at America. Airlines what they thought of this. What he meant by that was his marketing department, his DEI department, his fellow executives all share the same far left politics. And so they used

the corporate brand to push this insanity. By the way, right after taking a $4.5 billion bailout during COVID from you and me, the taxpayer, so they take our money and then they use it to push a political agenda. And that's why he's no longer there. They can his butt, rightly so. he was a horrible CEO. But, you know, that is, again, stakeholder capitalism is just an excuse to push what the executives want at the, at the, um, bilitarious effect to shareholders. They can drive the company into the ground and say, well, I'm doing it for all the other stakeholders. Yeah, doing it for it. Well, you know, stakeholder, when you hear the term stakeholder, I always warn when you hear a stakeholder, even in public comments and public meetings around here, stakeholder means that essentially you don't really have a direct dog in the fight but we're going to control you anyway that's ultimately what it means when they're talking about well it's like stakeholder capitalism in other words people who are not actually spending money into the company holds sway over what the company does that's what it really is right it's everybody except who who's actually paying the bill exactly exactly and there are situations to be clear where shareholders and consumers

interest are somewhat adverse obviously shareholders want to make more money which means could be charging hard prices or low inequality. But in this particular case, and in general, in 2025, shareholders and customers have their interests align against executives who want to inject their own purposes and utilize the resource of the company for their own political objectives, rather than making money for the shareholders by serving consumers as best as they can. So few corporations are focused exclusively on that today. That basic project of doing whatever you can to serve your consumers so that you can make money. It has sort of gone the way of the dinosaur. We're trying to bring it back by shining a light on these executives who've just lost all sense of their

fiduciary duty to either their customer base or to their shareholders who they ultimately answer to. Will Hild once again, Consumersresearch.org. Go sign up for the woke alert, stay informed on this, read everything else that they're offering them to, and please support the group if you feel it within your heart, all right? Will, great talk, and thanks for exposing this this morning, okay? Be well. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me on. It's always great to be with you. You bet. My pleasure. This is a Bill Meyer show on KMED and KMED, HD1, Eagle Point Medford,

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