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Episode Date: October 6, 2025

Ira Mehlman from Federation for American Immigration Reform - Trump has some sanctuary city wins, other imm news. Open phones and more.

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Had some interesting legal developments. I mean, President Trump has been all over the courts, as you've heard recently, what happened over the weekend when it came to Sanctuary City, Portland, and, well, we wouldn't want things to be calm, cool, and collected there. But then there is the Federation for American Immigration Reform, which has been keeping an eye on these various cases. Fair is the country's largest immigration reform group over 300 million members and supporters all around the country. And they're fighting for immigration policies that serve national interests, not the special interest. what a concept. And joining me here right now to talk about the interesting legal developments, Ira Melman, who is the media gentleman from Fair. How are you doing this morning, Ira? Great to

have you back. I'm doing well. Good morning. Now, you are in Seattle, if I understand, or in the Seattle area, correct? I am. The organization is based in Washington, D.C., but I am a denizen of Seattle. Okay, good. Good. Good to know. And are you having the same kind of challenges at immigration and custom enforcement that you are aware of what's going on in Portland, of course, over the weekend, or is it relatively calmer? Look, I mean, Washington State and Seattle are every bit as much sanctuaries for illegal aliens as Portland has been. You know, I think Portland actually probably has us, you know, nosed out here with what has been going on. But look, look, you have all of these states and cities that have decided that they just,

simply don't want to see our federal immigration laws enforced. They don't care that ICE is going out there and actually looking for criminals, for gang members that are terrorizing people all across the country. They would rather impede that effort than just say, yeah, we will help you get these people out. And what they've wound up doing is putting people who may not have been on ICE's radar scope in jeopardy because Tom Homan, the borders are, has. said, you know, if we're going to send in ICE agents because the local jurisdictions are obstructing our ability to do our jobs, and we find the criminals that we're looking for in the company of other people who are in the country illegally, those people are getting picked

up and removed also. So it's backfiring on them in every way. The people that they're not looking for are actually getting deported as well. And, you know, at the same time, you have chaos in cities like Portland where you have nightly violence going on. it's just, you know, wreaking havoc on everybody's lives in those communities. Yeah. Well, you know, Governor Koteg, I think, would refer to that, though, as having a vibrant, diverse community, though. It's just a matter of opinion here, Ira. Be a little sarcastic.

You can't help yourself, okay? Hey, now, tell us about the IRI, which is now merged or is now part of the Federation for American Immigration Reform. By the way, website, fair us.org, because that's a recent development. There are some really interesting court victories that the Trump administration has had recently. Yeah, early was an organization set up to actually litigate things in court on behalf of the public interest. And, you know, enormously successful. And as you mentioned over the summer, there in an early emerging to one organization, you know, sort of bringing everything under one roof.

I guess it's easier to maintain one infrastructure than two. Sure. And, you know, one of the cases that they were looking at was one in Massachusetts, where the Trump administration had cut off funding to local governments because they were sanctuaries. They were obstructing the effort to enforce their immigration laws. And, you know, this is a tool leverage that the federal government has used many, many times in the past. First of all, you know, federal supremacy says that, you know, federal law outweighs the state or local law. So, you know, these communities can have sanctuary laws, but the federal government is still able to go in and do its job there if the federal law says that's what it needs to do. And second, you know, we've seen in the past pretty much every administration has used the leverage of federal dollars to get these local governments to comply. You bet. You know, whether it was under the Biden and Obama administrations, when the whole issue of who could

use which bathrooms came up, you know, they threatened to cut off funds. Yeah, federal funding is used as a. a cudgel, a baseball bat to the head, so to speak, monetarily. Yeah. And it kind of gets their attention because every one of them is looking for federal money to do whatever it is that they need to do. And they said, you know, we're going to cut off funding to these communities. Obviously, they went to court and sued.

And last week, a district court judge said, look, I mean, they're not going to suffer irreparable harm by having the federal government come in. enforce the laws. I mean, they didn't actually say this, but people in those communities could suffer irreparable harm if you have criminal aliens coming or living in those communities, doing all sorts of things. You know, we've seen countless examples of people losing their lives as a result of criminal aliens that were allowed to roam freely. So the courts decided that, you know, they're not suffering irreparable harm by complying, by losing this federal funding, and they can get it back any time they want simply by complying with federal

federal law. But I guess the point being, though, is that they conflate losing federal funding as irreparable harm as if there is a right to federal funding. Is that kind of where they're coming from? These are the cities in Massachusetts that were suing. It was what Chelsea, Somerville, and there are a couple of big sanctuary cities, right? They were doing this. Yes.

Yeah. And look, I mean, you know, this is one of many, many. such cases that's going on courts around the country, and probably inevitably this is going to end up in the Supreme Court to decide these things, because, you know, you've got a bit different jurisdictions handing down different decisions. As I said, you know, we are one country, one federal government, and the law should apply in Massachusetts and Oregon, just as it does in Tennessee or Texas. So, you know, this is going to continue its way through the judicial system. But in the meantime, a district court ruled, you know, quite decisively that they're not

suffering irreparable harm, that they can get that funding back anytime they choose to abide by federal law. And I guess right now, nobody's getting any federal funding because the government just kind of shut down. Yeah, for sure. But this is really interesting. This is the, there's an upside and a downside to the grant stream funding. And of course, I have decried our communities kind of stepping up to become very indebted to federal government's grant stream funding because, you know, there's always a string that's attached to it. Now, you can argue whether, you know, allowing immigration law to enforce as a good string or not, I would happen to agree with that string, but then other people wouldn't.

I suppose that local citizens could certainly tax themselves more for that particular service, but they don't want to do that, right? They want the free money, and they want to be able to say, hey, We're not going to enforce immigration law, too. It's essentially where they're coming from, right? Yeah, you know, the old adage, Hugh Pace the Piper calls the tune. Yeah. And, you know, the federal government is funding, you know, vital services in your community.

They have a right to set some conditions for that funding. Fair enough. So this is one of many cases that are worming this way up to the Supreme Court. And do we know what the process for something like this is? And, you know, the Supreme Court seems to work very slow, except on the emergency docket for the most part. Could this be years before we get a final definitive answer in whether the feds are able to just withhold funding from these sanctuary states and cities? You know, I'm not sure exactly what the Supreme Court's timeline is, you know, as they say, it's a long and winding road. But when you have that many cases out there, eventually something, they have to look at it to.

resolve at least, you know, you would think that would want to resolve it one way or the other. So I guess it's kind of wait and see, but right now, you know, the administration has said to these jurisdictions that, you know, we're going to cut off funding. We've seen them sue sanctuary jurisdictions around the country. And, you know, the federal government has far more resources than these state and local governments do. So, you know, one way or the other, they are getting the attention of these local leaders. And at some point, it becomes more prudent for them to simply say, you know what, we don't like the fact that the federal government is enforcing immigration laws, but, you know, the cost of obstructing

it is just becoming too great. So, you know, there will always be a few really staunch holdouts that will fight it to the death, but a lot of communities are simply deciding it's not worth it. We'll just comply with federal law. Yeah, we'll see where this goes. There's a possibility that the way some legal people have described it to me, Ira. Ira Melman with me once again from the Federation for American Immigration Reform, FairU.S.org. It's been described to me that when you have a lot of federal courts in disagreement, and we do. We have some that have gone in favor of the Trump administration, others that have not. This one, this particular case in Massachusetts was in favor

of them. But when you have conflict, some saying yes, some saying no, that tends to get the attention of the Supreme Court a little more quickly, because they're all about trying to keep the various courts, federal courts, in agreement overall and giving guidance. So this may, maybe it'll get heard sooner than later. One can always hope. Let's get down to the bottom of it. Can they say no funds for you if you're not going to, you know, and maybe it's not even a matter of having state police or whatever it is helping, but not to actively thwarted.

That could be maybe the distinction that we run into over time, when you think, you know, Because there's a certain point where not even willing to talk to someone is, in essence, thwarting them. What do you think? Yeah, and it's obstructing. I mean, you know, if they release criminals that they have arrested for other offenses, when ICE is looking for them, if they refuse to comply with detainers put out by ICE saying, hey, you know, you've got somebody in the local lockup that we want, and they just shove them out the door back out onto the street,

and then they have to go find them in the community, that constitutes obstruction. Nobody says that they have to do ISIS job for them. You know, you do have state and local governments have decided, yeah, it's in the interest of our community to get these criminals out and we will cooperate. But, you know, there's a difference between, you know, actively engaging with the federal government and then obstructing what they're doing. You can sort of take a neutral position. And, you know, the federal government has not.

gone after these local jurisdictions that simply take a neutral position, it's the ones that actively obstruct the enforcement of immigration laws. Those are the ones they're going after. Yeah, I know that there's a big difference of opinion right now, what you'll hear in Oregon, California, Washington, they'll say, well, you know, an ICE detainer or an ICE order, that's an administrative action. We don't, we won't respect that. We will only respect a court order, that kind of thing, right? And these are the kind of decisions, I think. think that we'll probably end up getting, getting up to the Supreme Court also to say that somehow I saying, hey, we're going to come after this person. It's not good enough,

apparently, to the sanctuary states. Yeah. Yeah, but there is actually no such thing as a federal judicial order that detains somebody. So, you know, it has always been done through an administrative detainer that ICE puts out or whatever agency is putting it out there. And again, I mean, it's just that there's no logical reason why a law enforcement agency in Massachusetts or in Oregon would say, no, we'd rather put this person back out on the street and let you go find him. And as I mentioned before, what they're doing is not just they're not protecting the criminal alien that they put back out on the street. What they're doing is endangering other people who might be here in the country illegally who are going to get, picked up when ice comes in to find that guy. Interesting times that we're living in Ira.

I appreciate the reporting once again from Federation of American Immigration Reform. FairUS.org, great talking to you. Hopefully, it remains relatively flame-free and peaceful in the city of Seattle, Portland. It's a little sportier right now. What can I say? Yeah, you know, but apparently Governor Kotech has it all under control. Nothing to see her. Yeah, nothing to see.

Everything is born. everything is born and uh we'll talk soon you take care i will be well all right thanks thank you seven 24 you're on kmedy kbxg some open phone time and some other news to a noodle around with also seven seven zero five six three three we'd love to talk with you this morning and what is your thought overall on uh what has been going on in portland and the the uh the big drama over the weekend and and by the way if you agree with governor kotech let me know about that too i'd love to hear someone that thinks that the governor's doing the right thing.

And if so, hey, you know, just kind of like what Lars says, we'll put you to the front of the line. But still, the line starts at 770, 5633. Should you trust your drinking water on a do-it-yourself water test? I don't think so. At the Grants Pass water lab. Ready first for more information. You're hearing the Bill Myers Show on 1063 KMED.

Now Bill wants to hear from you. 541-770-5633. That's 770 KMED. 726. I'll be getting to your calls just a moment. I wanted to just share. By the way, thanks to Jeff, pointing me to a brief interview with Governor Kotech having to do with the California, what was happening and then squashed. First, the Oregon National Guard was not allowed to be deployed here to Portland, to the Portland area.

And then so Trump administration says, fine, we'll just take California. Boom. And then the judge ended up saying, nope, we don't want anything. They went after Texas, too, for what I understand. But this is what Governor Kotech had to say about this. So, as the Attorney General mentioned, last night, I received intelligence that 101 federalized California National Guard members arrived in Oregon by plane and were then sent to Camp Withicum. That's the facility operated by the Oregon Military Department. It is our understanding that there are an additional 99 California Guard members in route today. So assuming a total of 200 service members from the California National Guard. This was talked about yesterday, by the way. Completely be in the state of Oregon. However, my office has received no official notification or correspondence from the federal government regarding this action by the president.

This action appears to be intentional to circumvent yesterday. ruling by a federal judge. This afternoon, I sent a message to Northern Command, directing them to obey the October 4th court ruling from yesterday, and take no further action regarding to border troops in Oregon. Also directed that those troops that will be at Camp Withicom should be restricted to that facility and that the California National Guard troops should be sent home as soon as possible. And I also want to say, as for our Oregon National Guard members, many of whom are still in waiting at Camp Reilea,

they are pawns in this situation, political pawns in this situation. And I would like to send our troops home to their families, to their jobs. But the United States government has filed a stay in the Ninth Circuit, as the Attorney General has mentioned. We, during General is taking the lead to oppose that, and we're going to wait to hear how that concludes,

maybe as early as tomorrow. It's important to remember that our Oregon National Guard members who are our neighbors have full-time jobs in our communities across Oregon. I want to make sure that they are safe. I would like to get them home to their families as soon as possible. We are waiting, however, on the action of court. The facts on the ground in Oregon haven't changed. There's no need for military intervention in Oregon.

There's no insurrection in Portland. There's no threat to national security. Oregon is our home. It is not a military target. And Oregonians exercising their freedom of speech against unlawful actions by the Trump administration is their right and should be done so peacefully. I'm going to continue with my colleagues here to continue to keep the public deprived of what the situation is.

And the end of the day, I'm going to continue to uphold the law and the right to govern ourselves as Oregonians. Okay. So the right to govern ourselves as Oregonians. And Governor Kotech, of course, one of my favorite nasty movies of the early 2000s is still Team America World Police. and if anybody remembered that that opening scene in which

Team America of the World Police you know it was a send up of our actions of the world on the war on terror right so Team America of the world police they go into France and they blow up everything they end up blowing up the Louvre the hotel or the Eiffel Tower ends up falling over

I mean all this kind of stuff and the Parisian residents are sitting around looking at one another and the Team America people are going everything is born everything is bond everything is good Everything is born. Everything is small. It's kind of like Governor Kotech. I couldn't help but think of that. I'm laughing. I'm thinking she's just like the puppet. The puppet in Team America. Everything is good. Everything is fine. This is good. 7.31. Let me head over to the phones. Anyway, it's open phone time. Your general response to the governor's response. Basically, this is all about Oregon's democracy. Saving Oregon's democracy is making sure that there is. no peace in Portland, I guess.

Hello, Dave. What's on your mind, huh? Go ahead. Well, what's on my mind is the Supreme Court already ruled in California that Trump could have the National Guard to protect ICE and any federal building. You're absolutely right, and that was the ruling, and that's why I think

Trump went and tried to grab California. But Judge Armaget, or Irmigut, rather, ended up just saying, hey, no, my order means that there's absolutely nothing. Because I don't think they'll go against the Supreme Court, because then it'll be down there's an emergency level. And then, right, remember, the courthouse isn't far from ICE.

There's probably worried about Al-Tifa coming and trying to burn down her building. That could be. You may be a point. This was actually a Trump-appointed judge, but I don't know if a Trump-appointed judge necessarily means that it's a sign of good judicial fortitude, as it were, especially. Well, yeah. If I understand correctly, I think most of the time they still go to the state senators, do they not, or the U.S. senators. And so that means it's essentially a Ron Wyden and Merckley kind of, kind of an okay on that, don't they? Don't they normally do it that

way? That's what happened. I think that's what happened. But you know, remember, Eisenhower didn't send in the National Guard because he couldn't trust him. He took the state's National Guard and sent him into another state military base for training, and he sent the regular Army in. Could you see it actually going to regular Army at this point if we continue to have these issues with National Guard deployment? It depends on escalation of Altitha. You know, those guys are absolutely communist infiltrators, and you need probably Congress's

approval. Yeah, it could be. Hey, Dave, I appreciate the opinion. And we're all shooting from the hip this morning trying to think, I just know that I'm just ultimately offended in what I see going on about this. But let me go to the next line. Hi, welcome. This is Bill.

Who's this? Hello. Hey, Bill. It's your friend. Brad. Good morning. Hey, Brad. How you been?

Oh, hey. Hey, you know, all of these, it's great that you bring up Governor Kotech and these leftists, all these leftist things that are going on. But remember, everything is. It's gone. Everything is bond. It's good. Everything is bond. Matter of fact, it's so bonn, the ultra-leftist government of France just had its shortest government in hit. I wouldn't ask you about that. What the heck is it when a government only lasts 24 hours? How did that even happen, Bill? Well, they don't have consensus, Brad. They haven't been able to gather that up. Yeah. France, of course, is fighting itself in a world or hurt, as we won't know. European Union in general is a dead man walking and the UK essentially is has fallen to to Islam already it's just kind of a soft fall at this point but probably hardening other than that there's nothing going on over there really so so what I hear you saying is is what

we're really seeing is just the natural conclusion of leftist governance this is just what happens when when you do it right pretty much that's it and we are we're going to down on stupidity. You know, that's what Governor Kotech will do. It's just the way it goes. She's a true believer. And by the way, this is nothing personal about her. I'm sure that if I were to sit down to talk with Tina Kotech, she ever day to come on, that it could be a good conversation. We wouldn't agree on much. But there is a different worldview, and she's a true believer. How else can you describe it there, Brad? I don't think there's any other way. Well, I just know that management matters, and at the end of the day, you know, think some

things work better than other things, and we know that, we know that Portland is collapsing. We know they've got, what, 30% vacancy in their downtown business? Actually, it's 34% vacancy right now. More than a third of downtown real estate is empty right now in Portland. And that's her, that's her backyard. Those are her constituents. I mean, those are the people that elect here are the people in downtown Portland. And don't tell me that this kind of lawlessness take or the coddling or the loving of the wrong people

doesn't have some influence into whether a business wants to bother setting up shopping in downtown Portland. Fair enough. How can you look at any other way? Appreciate the call as always, brother Brad. 735. It is Monday morning, October 6th. Who might you be? Welcome to the show.

I might be Francine, but then again, you never know for sure. You could be an unknown artificial intelligence troll, for all I know. Here to fool me. It's possible. I'm so famous now. You know, they're all trying to imitate me. That's right. What's on your mind, huh? Well, I have a little bit of dark humor.

This kind of came to me the other night over the weekend. And, you know, I'm thinking, you know, all of these insane, crazy nut jobs that want to go around and kill people and get their name put up, and they're all disgruntled, and they're either mad or sad or just plain. So, okay, we can set up what's called the sniper training camp and have all these people. They're kind of like gladiators, but they could have the badiators, the mediators, the maddiators, and the saddiators, and they can fulfill their kill shot disorder by shooting each other. okay and this you know and they become famous that their name would be well known and everything

but they only shoot each other you know we keep them from hurting the public so this reminds me a little bit of um what was that movie from the 80s or 90s what was it the running man the Arnold Schwarzenegger movie yeah yeah in which uh you know your shows your entertainment shows end up being truly fights to the death, that kind of thing. Right. But they were picking people, you know, the bad guys picking people. This is going to be a good guy. We run the show, and we get all the bad guys in there and make them shoot each other.

That way they get their rocks off doing all the stuff that they're out there doing, but they're not hurting the public anymore. Yeah, a deadly version of the Truman Show. Got it. Okay. All right. Thank you, Francie. I love it.

Oh, did I find that Everything is Bonn? Clip, do I finally have that? Bonjour, everyone. Don't worry. Everything is bold. We stop the terrorist. Everything is Bonn.

Everything is born. As Paris is all torn up, right? All right. One more. And then news. And then more of your calls, if you want. 7705-633. Hi, good morning.

This is Bill. Who's this? Hey, Bill, Matt. Matt. How you doing? I got two quick things. On the judges, Mark Levin explained this on one of his radio shows several times. What do you say?

What happens is when you're trying to get judges approved at the federal level, you basically will give a blue state or a blue area of a judge that's more suitable to them so they can get two or three conservative judges someplace else. So when it's a Reagan judge or a Bush judge, that judge may be a flaming libel. Okay, so, and that's what I suspected, that I suspected that IrmaGut, Judge IrmaGut, even though appointed by Trump, was really vetted by Merckley and Wyden, right? Right, and so they were, it was a trade, basically, like in sports. Well, we'll give you this judge, but we're going to get these other two judges.

And they do it on both sides. The other thing I wanted to bring up is, uh, over the, weekend I had an impromptu conversation with someone who's a Trump hater and we talked Oh, those are always so much fun. Those are always so much fun. Did you call my sister? Is that what happened? You called my sister, Diana? I was walking out of a local shop and we ended up having a long conversation. Niceest guy. Very, very nice guy. And what shocked me is, so he said, oh, Trump's a Nazi. And then he said, Trump's a fascist. And he says, we're losing our I said, okay, this is perfect. Let's have a conversation. His complete lack of understanding

of economics, politics, the military, for two hours, and he was the nicest guy, but he would bring something up, and then I would have to explain to him. And it even came down to the speech that Hegseth gave in front of all of their generals and the higher-ups and the enlisted. And he was trying to tell me, you know, what that looked like to him. Here's the problem. I don't, I don't go to TV for my, my news, political or otherwise. I watch it, but he was literally parroting every single thing that comes off CNN and MSNBC and the networks. That's, that was his entire argument. When he called Trump a Nazi, I said, okay, tell me about that. Well, I don't, here's what it came down to.

I don't like how he acts. I don't like the things that he says, and I don't like the way that he says now. Well, you know, that's a reasonable thing to say. I can understand people saying, I don't like the way he says things. I don't like his directness or whatever it is. But what does that have to do with national socialism? Can you help me understand that, or did you ask him that? Did you, you know, kind of drill into that?

Just curious. Well, I asked him about, I said, okay, about the terrorist. He says, he goes, I don't like the terrorist and, you know, and it's attacks and this. And I said, no, I get that. Yeah. And I said, so tell me what you would do in the current situation when you have all of you. I said, you saw during COVID, oh, he was a big time backer. Backed him 10 times, his wife, his kids. Everybody's getting the back. And I said, okay, he says, well, we have to believe our doctors. We have to believe everything. And I said, did, did you believe everything about COVID? I did. What happened when you found out that the masks weren't actually a thing, that six foot distance. wasn't a thing and that we found out that it wasn't a vaccine and what happens when you find out that ivermectin and other alternative treatments were able to to keep people healthy in many cases not all cases but you know much more so than the evax i mean there's all this we know we know this and it was forcibly kept from the people except for those in the underground railroad all right

i mean honestly that's where we're faced right now and so when it came to the tariffs i told him I said, okay, I said, what would you do to bring manufacturing back here? And he says, well, first of all, I wouldn't have let it happen in the first place. Well, it's too late. It happened. It's irrelevant. That's an irrelevant response from him. No, I said, it's not 1990.

Yeah. I go, what would you do now? What now? What would you do? What would you do now? I mean, here's the thing. All he had in his brain was, this is bad, this is bad, this is bad, this is bad, this is bad, this is bad, Trump is bad. He had no justification for any of his line of thinking on, okay, what would you do?

What would your solution be for crime? What would you do in Chicago? Another, what, 50 people got shot this weekend? What would you do about that? That's the thing that blows my mind. He said we would have been way better off if Kamala Harris was president. And I honestly, Bill, I'm shocked. The level of shallow thinking, and I'm not going to say it's everybody on that side of the but their lack of understanding of economics and the deeper issues, this is, they're prisoners of their own mind. They're prisoners of their ignorance, in essence. Yeah, I just don't know.

I'm not, this guy's retired. He worked at Boeing for years and years, decades, really, as an engineer. And it's like, he's a smart guy. You couldn't be an engineer. You've got to be smart. But it's just lack of understanding of just basic economic. principles. I'm just, so anyway, I enjoyed talking with him, because like I said, a great guy, really enjoyed talking with it. Yeah, but you had nothing economic or political to agree. I'm glad

you're able to have a good conversation, though, and it wasn't like talking to my sister, who is, I am so disappointed in you because you voted for a man who's trying to kill my LGBTQ kids. It's like, huh? All right. It's an interesting time. Well, you know, I think I'm going to save this. bite from Team America. You know, the one I just played here. I'm going to go, Matt, because I think this is, this describes, this is Tito Kotech and people like the gentleman you spoke to yesterday. Bonjour, everyone.

Don't worry. Everything is bold. We stop the terrorists. We stop the terrorists. We're stopping the terrorists in Portland. Everything is bonn. Bonn. Okay.

So when you play the first part of her interview and she said she received intelligence, uh-huh. I started laughing. I'm sitting here at my office, and I started laughing. I said, oh, she doesn't have any of her own intelligence. So she receives it from some power somewhere. That's all I could think of when she said it. I know what she meant, obviously.

Yeah, I know, I know that. That also brings up another line from Team America World Police in which they had bad intelligence, and the bad intelligence computer was apologizing. Sorry. I'm bad. See you later, Matt. Thanks for the call. On that note, gosh, what a great thing.

Don't worry, everything is bold. We stop the terror. At Drake's Paints and Supply, we know your color because we know others. Hi, I'm Cassie from Clauser drilling, and I'm on KMED. 770-5633. What is your overall impression of President Trump being 40 at deploying National Guard troops. Do you think that that Governor Kotech will actually

fix it and get it to the point where conservative reporters and influencers aren't beaten up on the streets and arrested for disorderly while Antifa continues to, well, just, well,

I've been kind of here's the issue I've been kind of having with it. The dirt bags are going to do what dirt bags do. It's just kind of the way this goes, but we could talk about that particular issue if you want. That's certainly something. And I want to talk with Dr. Dennis Powers, retired professor of business law. And I know he's going to have a lot to think about what's going on with

Judge Irmigut. And I know that they always report this how Judge Armaget is a Trump appointee. But as we well know, being a Trump appointee in a blue liberal hive-mine state doesn't mean that you're getting some rock-ribbed conservative freedom fighter from the right put on the federal bench. That's just it. In reality, that's what it means. It's a, it's a judge that Senator Wyden and Senator Merkley could approve of. And that's really what it comes down to. And I thought that's

what it was. But glad to know that, you know, Matt kind of, you know, set us straight on this one. There's another story which I find really interesting. And it's a little bit off the beaten path here, but I'm, I'm kind of intrigued by this. And this comes from the great majestic state of Hawaii of Hawaii anyway I was thinking of Israel Kamala Kamala Kamanamana whatever his name is you know the famous late voice of Hawaii but AP reporting that Hawaii seeks to end strife over astronomy on sacred mountain for more than 50 years telescopes in the needs of astronomers have dominated the summit of monakia that's a mountain sacred to native Hawaiians. That's also one of the finest places in the entire world

to study the night sky. That's now changing with a new state law saying that monaquia must be protected for future generations in that science. They blindness with science must be balanced with culture and the environment. Native Hawaiian cultural experts will have voting seats on a new governing body instead of merely advising the summit's managers as they do right now. The shift comes after thousands of protesters camped on the mountain three years ago to block the construction of a state-of-the-art observatory. State-of-the-art observatory.

This is silent stuff, right? It's not making noise up there. It's just sitting on top of the sacred mountain. And so the policymakers and astronomers are now realizing that the status quo had to change. There's a lot at stake. The native Hawaiian advocates want to protect a site of great spirit. spiritual importance. Astronomers hope that they'll be able to renew leases for state land underneath their observations due to expire in the next decade or so and continue making

revolutionary scientific discoveries for decades to come. Businesses and political leaders are eager for astronomy to support well-paying jobs in a state that has, frankly, long struggled to diversify its tourism-dependent economy. Hmm. Now, they're also saying this new authority in Hawaii may offer a first-in-the-world test case for whether astronomers can find a way to respectfully and responsibly study the universe from indigenous

and culturally significant lands. This is what irritates me about these things. We scrape and bow over essentially pagan religions, aren't we? I'm sorry to you to kind of step into it and just put it this way.

It's one of our most spiritual places. Right? But aren't we in essence? And by the way, I say this with our Native American tribes too. We have to close this section of the forest here for a particular time because, well, we have to take care of the indigenous because this is their sacred ground. over there the whole the uh the mountain the 13,000 foot mountain that is sacred ground okay where the hell is the pardon me I shouldn't say hill where the heck is the Christian sacred ground

that Christians could then say you know we really want your stuff off of here government has anybody talked about that is anyone ever really you know given much thought to this that we're supposed to bow scrape and get on our little, well, maybe we're not getting on our Islamic prayer rug yet. Maybe that comes later, you know, at some point. But here it is you have astronomers, you know, astronomers, telescopes, things like that. Amazing science going on at the top of these mountains. And then you have Native Americans that are getting all with their lays in a bunch, I guess, you know, for lack of an intent.

And by the way, I love, Hawaiian people are great. for the most part. But you know this is that same kind of left-wing activism that, oh, sacred land, sacred land, sacred spotted owl, sacred, uh, tribal lands, sacred fish, sacred this, sacred that. Wait a minute. Congress shall do nothing about that. It shall pass no law respecting the creation of a state religion. But when we bend the knee for all these so-called indigenous people, are we not, in essence, saying that their particular religion is more important than every other person's particular religion? Have you ever given that any thought?

Where are the sacred Christian sites here in the state of Oregon that are off limits? Off limits for any kind of activity. They were able to, okay, other than the churches. Okay, you can say the church is fine. There's a sacred lamb. Believe me, you do something wrong. They'll still come and give you. a code enforcement problem.

Okay, see what I'm getting at? Why is there no consideration for this? Because this essentially is an attack on anything involving everybody else from an undue influence from people of a certain religious bent. They claim it's sacred land. Well, it is public land. And this concept that, you know, because of stuff that happened two, three hundred years ago, I consider this sacred land. And so I want you to get your observatory off of our sacred land because of my religion.

You see what I'm getting at? Have you ever thought about that? What would you do about this? If I were running Hawaii being the benevolent dictatorship, I would say, hey, this is state land. The state land is this. We really appreciate your thoughts. will be our, we'll do our best to be unobtrusive. You can come out here and, uh, and bring your puka shells and do your stuff.

That's fine. Let's you come up here. But no, the astronomy and the, uh, the observatory stay. That's what I would be doing. But it's like they're sitting around there. They're just like clutching their pearls or clutching their puka shells over this in Hawaii. And we kind of do that every now and then here in the state of Oregon too.

Maybe it's just a left wing thing. But this idea that we're supposed to be, uh, going just prostrate over native religions. We're not going prostrate over everybody else's religion, are we? And shouldn't we? If that's the case? All right, Christians, come up with some sacred land saying that we declare these land sacred.

And the federal government shall have no say, or the state of Oregon shall have no say on it. Who is with me? How ralph? This is the Bill Meyer's show. Thank you.